However, the actual naming of the pages is open - in fact if we adopted the LCD system, that would suggest we name them "Benson in GTA 2" rather than "Benson (car)". The idea of forcing the two articles to share the page is harmful to the content, confusing to the users, and there's no good reason for it. I can not see one single benefit of them sharing a page, except the fact that both cars would be on the same page. This has nothing to do with page size at all.'''''
::All this time, I've yet to read about how the table of contents could be used to overcome these problems. They provide directions on where a reader can skip to without having to scroll down and pass the GTA 2 section to reach the post-GTA 2 section. If the split was simply motivated by the mere presence of a different vehicle from an antiqued game seemingly disrupting the flow of a page, then what's the point of these TOCs floating on the top of so many articles? I'm sure readers are not that stupid to not make use of the TOC and distinguish which part of it covers one type of vehicle and which part covers another.
::Even assuming a split is "justified", what was done at the [[Benson]] article has bias towards newer renditions of the vehicle because the "Benson" namespace is not used by a disambiguation page as logic dictates, but the truck, when the car and truck should be moved to "Benson (car)" and "Benson (truck)" respectively.
::'''''If there are things you really hate doing, things that make you want to leave, then I'd rather you spent your time on things you did enjoy and someone else could pick that up.'''''
::I have invested way too much time on this wiki to quit, even though the amount of time I can spend here has dwindled recently because of real-life.
::You talk about people carrying on my torch, but I doubt that. For starters, this wiki barely has anyone editing. There hasn't been an output of good screenshots covering the entire series as of late, and worthwhile amendments and improvements made on articles are far under expectations in comparison to the Wikia.
::You also imply that people "could" pick up where I left of with regards to obscure GTA games, but that's just bullshit. The problem with gaming wikis is that the general demographics of editors will usually gravitate towards games which they grew up with, and since the GTA series is now 15 years old, generation gaps within the fan community are apparent and the vast majority of fans to the series are too young to care about older games. These days you will see little to no love on GTA games that are nearly or over a decade old (GTA 1 to GTASA), or are obscure due to their platform (Advance and Chinatown Wars. Pages like the [[Counthash]] ([http://gta.wikia.com/Counthash Wikia page]) or [[London]] ([http://gta.wikia.com/London Wikia page]) or [[I'd Like A Tank Please, Bob!]] ([http://gta.wikia.com/I%27d_Like_A_Tank_Please,_Bob! Wikia page]) will never ever be updated with crucial information because barely anyone care. And when those who have specialized on these games are no longer active, those pages will not only be neglected, but will be forgotten. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/ZS|edits]]) 18:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
== Character Quotes ==
Hello Gboyers how are you? I have spent many hours on this Wiki and on the internet lately finding good quotes to use for characters throughout the series. I believe quotes are a strong, interesting way to introduce a reader to the characters page. However, all of my hours will be going to waste now, one of the favourites here, A-Dust, is going around and deleteing quotes with absolutley no explanation. Perhaps if he didn't like the specific quote I could understand, but the fact that this user feels he can do anything and delete everything he wants without even a slight explanation, is more then ridiculous. Unless I'm just fixing spelling, I always put a summary. The summary is meant to explain the change so that other Wiki users don't waste their time checking to see if it's a reasonable change or not. Now that I have explained myself, I will explain my side to A-Dust, and will be reverting any quote deletions I think should have stayed. However I can agree that some quotes can be changed. I hope you can see reason, thank you for your time. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] ([[User talk:Grand Theft AJ|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Grand Theft AJ|edits]]) 22:12, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
== Patrolling broken? ==
Hi, I've been having a strange problem as of recently when trying to patrol edits. Most of the time when I go via the diff link on Recent Edits I get a little pop up error saying "Marking as patrolled failed." when I click the link to mark it patrolled. Although you can't get every edit with [[Special:Patrol]], it still seems to be working fine if that is any help. [[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Andreaz1|edits]]) 18:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
:I've had the same issue with patrolling, but have read the responses on [[User talk:Andreaz1|Andreaz1's talk page]] and I use the right-click/new tab method that was suggested. The only other problem I've come across is I can't patrol an edit on a page creation, because there's no previous edit to compare it to. Just looking for ideas to fix that. Also, I was just wondering if the server move would help the original issue. '''[[User:IanPhoenix|Ian Phoenix]]''[[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]''''' 05:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello there Gerard! It's been a while :D. Just thought I'd stop by and see how everything's going and let you know that If I get myself a copy of GTA 5 I'll certainly start editing here again. GTA just hasn't been the thing I've been wanting to play for a long time. So.. yeah, I'm not dead, I've just lost interest. Hopefully GTA 5 will mitigate that, nice to see everything's looking well :). '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 12:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
== Era Vs 3D/HD ==
Hello again Gboyers, I'm here again hoping to prevent an Edit War before it happens. I've noticed that A-Dust is randomly changing traces of the term "GTA III Era" or "GTA IV Era" and replacing it with 3D and HD. I disagree with this, as we here at the wiki have referred to the Eras as such for a long time now. I don't see why it's suddenly being changed.
An example of this confusion is on the page for [[Crow]], A-Dust wrote:
''"is a character that appears in the [[GTA III Era|3D Universe]] and the HD Universe (the [[GTA IV Era|GTA IV]] and [[GTA V Era|GTA V]] eras)"''
This is evidence enough that even he must clarify it as the original Eras to avoid confusion, thefore I will be reverting any Era name changes back to the previous versions until you say otherwise. Thank you for hearing me out. On another note, are you looking forward to any upcoming games? I personally am excited for Far Cry 3, Watchdogs, Dead Space 3 and The Last of Us. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] ([[User talk:Grand Theft AJ|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Grand Theft AJ|edits]]) 05:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC) == GTAV Template == I noticed you fixed the location of the GTAV template on the pages I added it to. I just wanted to apologize for giving you more work, and I would have fixed it myself had I been aware of the issue. I have fixed one other that I noticed, and kept it where it belongs while adding it to other pages. I just hope my work is positively received and not counterproductive. -[[User:IanPhoenix|IanPhoenix]] ([[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/IanPhoenix|edits]]) 01:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC) :[[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] has recently removed the [[Template:gtav|GTAV template]] from all of the character pages from GTA V. I was just wondering if this had been discussed anywhere. -[[User:IanPhoenix|IanPhoenix]] ([[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/IanPhoenix|edits]]) 05:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC) == [[User:Gtabot]] performing imports from Wikia == Hi. I'm looking to import a wiki from Wikia to my own server. I have the database dump from Wikia, although this only contains the pages and their histories. How did [[User:Gtabot]] perform the images imports from Wikia? Also how did you import the user accounts? Thanks in advance. (P.S. could you rename my account to "Inops", because this seems to be attached to another person [see my userpage]). --[[User:George|George]] ([[User talk:George|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/George|edits]]) 16:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC) == Thank You == Thank you, Gboyers. At this time of the message sent, I don't have any time to check out the wiki because of my school starting its second semester this week and I can't use my computer during school days. Although, if I do have some time during the week after I complete my studies and this coming weekend, I'll check out the wiki. Sincerely, [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|edits]]) 03:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC) == Recent edits == Hey Gboyers. Do you know what caused the wiki to be down for the last few days, and what has happened to the most recent edits? I made a few edits just before everything went down, but they have disappeared from the wiki. Should I make those edits again, or will they be restored? [[User:Christophee|Christophee]] ([[User talk:Christophee|talk]]) 13:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC) :Thanks for the reply. I have another question though. I've noticed that the Recent Edits list doesn't include edits by administrators (or whatever the term is on this wiki), but I would prefer to see all the edits there. Is there any way I can make the admin edits visible for myself? [[User:Christophee|Christophee]] ([[User talk:Christophee|talk]]) 22:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC) ==My Reason Here== Hello, Gboyers. As I told you before, I am an active editor on GTA Wikia and the reason why I signed up to Grand Theft Wiki was because one of the longest active staff mentioned about GTW split from Wikia. I know it does not concern me, but I wanted to ask how this happened from the time I signed up, but I thought to myself that the staff here will tell me that is none of my business. I ended up searching through the archives of GTA Wikia and I answered my own question. Since my reason here is done with, doesn't mean I'm not going to come back here. I've seen the works of this wiki; it's much better than GTA Wikia to be honest with you. I will just make some gnomish edits that are need of correcting/fixing and help newcomers. I'm glad to be part of GTAW and GTW. [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|edits]]) 00:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC) ==Just Cause Wiki== I am Saddex, aka Norrlanning96 on the [http://justcause.wikia.com Just Cause Wiki], where I heard that you used to be active admin and bureaucrat. I am now myself admin at this wiki, and we are probably going to insert a "Partners" list into the Main Page. Do you approve that we adds your wiki as a partner? ([[User:Saddex|Saddex]] ([[User talk:Saddex|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Saddex|edits]]) 10:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)) :Since I never got an answer on my question about the partners/affiliates on the JC wiki, I take that as you accept that we add the wiki to our (for now short) list over partners/affiliates on the Main Page, since I know your background there. If you have any objections, post them right here. Have a nice day! ([[User:Saddex|Saddex]] ([[User talk:Saddex|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Saddex|edits]]) 21:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)) ===Uhhmm...=== You said that you agreed for your wiki to become an affiliate of ours. I then checked out the affiliation program. Our wiki fullfills all but one, critical requirement; it is not a GTA wiki, nor a wiki for a Rockstar game. Do you indirectly mean in your answer that JC wiki doesn't need to fullfill that requirement? I am a little confused now. ([[User:Saddex|'''Saddex''']][[User Talk:Saddex|'''Just''''''Cause''']] 01:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)) ===Done, now just add us on the affiliates page!=== I forgot that logo firstly, but I added it today on our Main Page. Then it's just to you or someone else to add us on the affiliates page! Somehow I couldn't upload the logo though. ([[User:Saddex|'''Saddex''']][[User Talk:Saddex|'''Just''''''Cause''']] 13:37, 14 April 2013 (UTC)) ===Uploading problems=== I try to upload the resized logo from our wiki here for the Affiliates page, with "this is an logo of an real-life company", which only results in "Could not create an 'MW directionery'" or such. If I change the format to jpg from png, it says something about the jpg "doesn't match the png". What's wrong? ([[User:Saddex|'''Saddex''']][[User Talk:Saddex|'''Just''''''Cause''']] 17:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)) == Cities, Counties, States == I have a few questions for you about the cities, counties and states in the GTA series as a whole. '''Question 1''' Is 2D San Andreas from GTA 1 a city or a state? :It is a city '''Question 2''' What state is Anywhere City from GTA 2 located? :Nobody knows - it could be anywhere (hence the name). But it does have a resemblance to [[Liberty City in GTA III Era]]. '''Question 3''' Is Upstate Liberty and Ghost Town part of 3D Liberty City? :Yes, but it's not part of the game. '''Question 4''' Is Vice City smaller than 3D Liberty City? :No - LC is smaller than VC, which is smaller than SA, which is smaller than LC in IV, which will be smaller than LS in V. See [http://static.wikigta.org/nl/images/f/f9/GTA_map_comparison.jpg this image] as an approximate comparison. '''Question 5''' Are the towns in 3D San Andreas unincorporated communities or incorporated towns with a government? :I doubt this is made clear in the game - unless it's mentioned on the welcome signs to any of the towns. I'm not familiar enough with American local government systems to spot any tell-tale signs like (idk) a city hall or something. '''Question 6''' Is East Island City from IV a separate municipality or just a part of HD Liberty City? :It's just a neighbourhood, like any other. The word 'City' in its name is because the real [[wp:Long Island City|Long Island City]] used to be a separate city, but is now just a neighbourhood of NYC. '''Question 7''' Is Acter Industrial Park from IV a separate municipality or just a part of the city of Acter? :My understanding is it's a separate location adjacent to Acter. '''Question 8''' Is the Alderney State Correctional Facility from IV a separate municipality or just a part of Acter Industrial Park? :Not quite sure. My first instinct says it's part of the park, because it's in the "out of town industrial area", but I don't think it would be governed as part of the park, as it's not industrial or commercial. '''Question 9''' Is Port Tudor from IV a separate municipality from Tudor of just a part of the city of Tudor? :I'd say this is separate '''Question 10''' Is Carcer City and Bullworth in the same universe as the GTA games, if it is, in what GTA universe does it belong? :I understand that Carcer City is in the [[3D Universe]] - I don't think Bullworth has specifially been mentioned but I expect that would also be the 3D Universe. [[User:Thatpopularguy123|Thatpopularguy123]] ([[User talk:Thatpopularguy123|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Thatpopularguy123|edits]]) 16:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC) :Those are some interesting questions - my answers are indented. Generally those sorts of questions could go on the Talk page for each article it's relevant to. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC) == I'm also that user. == Hey gboyers! I'm also Angelobrylle24, the one who made changes to the flatiron in the San Andreas indroduction, the one who embedded video links of the iPad 2 version to the first few missions of GTAIII and the one who argued with eras and universes. Sorry of I made a new account, I really need answers to that questions I asked yesterday, 'cause I'm curious and can't seem to find some answers on the wiki. Sorry if I told about this late, because when I asked you those questions it was already midnight or past midnight here. Hard to believe? Don't worry I'll fix it myself. You just need to fix your 'Forgot your password' link doesn't seem to work. Its permissions are set to 'members only', I suppose, because when I click on that link it says that you need to login first. Weird isn't it. If you could fix that issue. You can delete this account and I'll move to my old one. Thanks :) And BTW, thanks for the answers to my questions yesterday. [[User:Thatpopularguy123|Thatpopularguy123]] ([[User talk:Thatpopularguy123|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Thatpopularguy123|edits]]) 04:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC) :Password reset, I want to use the new name—Thatpopularguy123, because it's my new online name. Thanks! :D [[User:Angelobrylle24|Angelobrylle24]] ([[User talk:Angelobrylle24|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Angelobrylle24|edits]]) 17:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC) == Image uploading == Hello! While trying to upload a picture here, I get the following warning: "Could not create directory ‘mwstore://local-backend/local-public’. " Could it be something related to the server restore? [[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Andreaz1|edits]]) 16:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC) I keep getting the same error message. I've been trying to upload the newly released [http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/actual_1364906194.jpg Official GTA V box art] all day. I too, am assuming this was affected by the server troubles last week. -[[User:IanPhoenix|Ian Phoenix]] ([[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/IanPhoenix|edits]]) 01:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC) I'm also getting the following error message when I try to add an image to a page: ''Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination''. Is this related to the uploading issue? [[User:Christophee|Christophee]] ([[User talk:Christophee|talk]]) 20:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC) :I can see the problem, basically this server is still broken, and we're struggling to keep it running. We will be moving servers in a few days, so once everything is set up there, it should all be working. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 11:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC) == Password is reset == Password is reset and I chose to use my new name—Thatpopularguy123. Thanks! :D [[User:Angelobrylle24|Angelobrylle24]] ([[User talk:Angelobrylle24|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Angelobrylle24|edits]]) 17:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC) == RE:Accounts Merged == Thanks! :) [[User:Thatpopularguy123|Thatpopularguy123]] ([[User talk:Thatpopularguy123|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Thatpopularguy123|edits]]) 10:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC) And before i published the thank you above...it was detected as spam? [[User:Thatpopularguy123|Thatpopularguy123]] ([[User talk:Thatpopularguy123|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Thatpopularguy123|edits]]) 10:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC) And it was because of the external links I added....but I didn't add any.. [[User:Thatpopularguy123|Thatpopularguy123]] ([[User talk:Thatpopularguy123|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Thatpopularguy123|edits]]) 11:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC) ==Images== Hey, how's it going? Sorry I haven't been active on here for a while. For a while, I had lost interest in this but I've come back to finish things I've been meaning to do. I saw the post above about the problems with uploading images. I was just wondering when this would be fixed. I am anxious to get a lot of images uploaded on here. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 20:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC) :I've replied elsewhere, but we'll be moving server in a few days. Our issues can then be fixed. But other than fixes, but nobody should notice anything different. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 21:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC) ==Sub-categories== Hi, I was just wondering something. I've been looking at these new sub-categories for screenshots and thinking are they necessary? We have a regular category for screenshots, do we really need to have categories for businesses, vehicles, missions...etc? --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 00:33, 29 April 2013 (BST) :The original purpose behind them was to make it easier to ''find'' images, for use in places like the main page, banner, other related pages and general usage. If we just had 'Screenshots of GTA IV' that would have thousands of images in and would be completely unusable. Splitting them up into characters, vehicles, buildings/businesses and weapons is pretty straightfoward - with 'missions' showing events. I'm not sure whether this is the best way, but I'm definitely open to suggestions. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 09:37, 29 April 2013 (BST) == Wiki fixes == The server move fixed the image uploading issue, but it in turn created some other issues (special pages, i.e. YouTube links, who's online, etc). I'm sure you're probably working on them already, but I was just wondering if there is anything I could do to help out. What do we need to do to fix the problems? '''[[User:IanPhoenix|Ian Phoenix]]''[[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]''''' 05:17, 29 April 2013 (BST) :Yes - long story short I have reinstalled the wiki from scratch to ensure everything works as intended (as our old copy got corrupted by the drive failure). I still need to go through and add a few other custom extensions, but I will be selective about which additional ones I enable. I was hoping it would fix the patrolling issue, but it doesn't help that when you [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22marking+as+patrolled+failed%22 google the error] this page comes up top! I'll sort some of it today but feel free to point out any problems you see after today. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 09:37, 29 April 2013 (BST)