https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=4th+hale&feedformat=atomGrand Theft Wiki - Contributions [en-gb]2024-03-19T02:09:32ZContributionsMediaWiki 1.40.0https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=334267User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-11-01T00:47:26Z<p>4th hale: /* Badge Question */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
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When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are billions of possible fonts, but it'd only work if you had it installed on your computer. Only [http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html these fonts] are guaranteed to be on everyone's computers. If you don't mind some people not seeing it, you can use [http://www.speaking-in-styles.com/web-typography/Web-Safe-Fonts/ others]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ah, I see, I was curious on what kind of font this is on that [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817174927/jamescameronsavatar/images/e/e5/Matias_Arana_Banner.png image], apparently the user who made that image use a font from Photoshop.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:25, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah okay - well if you make an image, you can use any font on your own computer, doesn't have to be on the viewer's computer. You'd be best asking the author which font he used, or have a look on [http://www.dafont.com dafont] to see if you can find one you like, download it, install it to your computer, then you can use it in any image you make. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:30, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Found the font, it seems idiotic that you have to download it, thanks Gboyers.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:55, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Maccer ==<br />
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Hi there Gboyers. I want to bring the article [[Maccer]] to your attention, because most of the article is copied verbatim from an external website, http://www.maccer.net, which makes it look to me like it violates your Licensing policy. It was that way before the Community Split, for the record. I noticed this on the other wiki and rewrote it there, but I thought that here it would be more prudent to let you know rather than make any sweeping changes to anything, and I could be mistaken about the policy. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 04:35, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Content copied from Maccer.net does not violate our licencing policy, as it is considered canonical game content and marketing material; and the article is fully referenced, but thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:09, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA V ==<br />
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Well it was announced today! But I want to know your opinion on something... The V looks like a $ sign used in the early 1900s, so does that mean it may possibly take place in that time period? I was thinking about adding that to the GTA V article, if it ain't already there... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:47, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It's already there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:48, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Oh, last time I read it was this morning, sorry.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:50, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well there's not much chance of a Grand Theft Auto game set in that era, there are virtually no cars, organised crime is limited, and it would just be a Red Dead game. So yeah I wouldn't worry about that! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:34, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
Ha, your right. Im still pretty shocked that they even announced it, I wasn't expecting that untill they were done promoting MP3. They surprised us all. Im kind of disappointed that they never answered the questions for GTA III, as the site may have that teaser all week. But hey, im happy we got an announcment!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:53, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That teaser is gone alreday and the site works like normal again. The GTA III thing is back as well. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]) 07:47, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Unused Images==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, is it by any chance possible for you to find these images below a home? Also, if you can't find these images a home, can you please help me delete them please? They seem to be good images but they are not used and don't seem to serve a purpose on this wiki. Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 04:29, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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[[:File:Corporal.svg]], [[:File:Sergeant.svg]], [[:File:Colour Sergeant.png]], [[:File:Copyleft.svg]], [[:File:Copyright-yellow.svg]], [[:File:Question.svg]], [[:File:Reupload.PNG]], [[:File:Rodrigo X - Social Profile.png]], [[:File:GCLogo.png]]<br />
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:As I've said before, the purpose of [[Special:UnusedImages]] isn't just to find them homes, it's to get rid of unwanted images. I hope you haven't been putting images on pages where they are unnecessary or unsuitable. I'll check those out, and delete any unwanted ones. I know a couple of them ''will'' be used but not just yet. I've changed your post above to link ''to'' the image instead of displaying them, because displaying them here wrongly removes them from UnusedImages. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:19, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Activity==<br />
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Yes, I'm still around, I just haven't had much to do around here recently. However, with the GTA V announcement I will certainly be more active. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 00:34, 30 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Badge Question ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have a question, if a user on Wikia achievement boost then does that user derserves a block?--[[User:4th hale|4th hale]] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 23:51, 31 October 2011 (GMT)<br />
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:That sentence didn't make sense. If you're asking for my opinion on Wikia matters, that's nothing to do with me. We left that site for a reason, so I'm not going to spend my time fixing problems with that site. If you have a problem with that site, take it to that site's staff or to Wikia. If you must know my personal opinion, if people contribute good content that's great, if they add tons of crap or make dozens of false edits with the intention of increasing edit count, yes that is against '''our''' policy (idk about Wikia). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:39, 1 November 2011 (GMT)<br />
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I was only asking '''your opinion''', it's something that a user did and I am fully aware it doesn't concern you but as I said I was asking your opinion on it.--[[User:4th hale|4th hale]] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:47, 1 November 2011 (GMT)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=334258User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-31T23:51:30Z<p>4th hale: /* Badge Question */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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<nowiki>{| align="center" | ... |}</nowiki><br />
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with<br />
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<nowiki><div style="text-align:center"> ... </div></nowiki><br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are billions of possible fonts, but it'd only work if you had it installed on your computer. Only [http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html these fonts] are guaranteed to be on everyone's computers. If you don't mind some people not seeing it, you can use [http://www.speaking-in-styles.com/web-typography/Web-Safe-Fonts/ others]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ah, I see, I was curious on what kind of font this is on that [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817174927/jamescameronsavatar/images/e/e5/Matias_Arana_Banner.png image], apparently the user who made that image use a font from Photoshop.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:25, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah okay - well if you make an image, you can use any font on your own computer, doesn't have to be on the viewer's computer. You'd be best asking the author which font he used, or have a look on [http://www.dafont.com dafont] to see if you can find one you like, download it, install it to your computer, then you can use it in any image you make. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:30, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Found the font, it seems idiotic that you have to download it, thanks Gboyers.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:55, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Maccer ==<br />
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Hi there Gboyers. I want to bring the article [[Maccer]] to your attention, because most of the article is copied verbatim from an external website, http://www.maccer.net, which makes it look to me like it violates your Licensing policy. It was that way before the Community Split, for the record. I noticed this on the other wiki and rewrote it there, but I thought that here it would be more prudent to let you know rather than make any sweeping changes to anything, and I could be mistaken about the policy. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 04:35, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Content copied from Maccer.net does not violate our licencing policy, as it is considered canonical game content and marketing material; and the article is fully referenced, but thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:09, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA V ==<br />
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Well it was announced today! But I want to know your opinion on something... The V looks like a $ sign used in the early 1900s, so does that mean it may possibly take place in that time period? I was thinking about adding that to the GTA V article, if it ain't already there... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:47, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It's already there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:48, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Oh, last time I read it was this morning, sorry.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:50, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well there's not much chance of a Grand Theft Auto game set in that era, there are virtually no cars, organised crime is limited, and it would just be a Red Dead game. So yeah I wouldn't worry about that! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:34, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
Ha, your right. Im still pretty shocked that they even announced it, I wasn't expecting that untill they were done promoting MP3. They surprised us all. Im kind of disappointed that they never answered the questions for GTA III, as the site may have that teaser all week. But hey, im happy we got an announcment!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:53, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That teaser is gone alreday and the site works like normal again. The GTA III thing is back as well. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]) 07:47, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Unused Images==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, is it by any chance possible for you to find these images below a home? Also, if you can't find these images a home, can you please help me delete them please? They seem to be good images but they are not used and don't seem to serve a purpose on this wiki. Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 04:29, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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[[:File:Corporal.svg]], [[:File:Sergeant.svg]], [[:File:Colour Sergeant.png]], [[:File:Copyleft.svg]], [[:File:Copyright-yellow.svg]], [[:File:Question.svg]], [[:File:Reupload.PNG]], [[:File:Rodrigo X - Social Profile.png]], [[:File:GCLogo.png]]<br />
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:As I've said before, the purpose of [[Special:UnusedImages]] isn't just to find them homes, it's to get rid of unwanted images. I hope you haven't been putting images on pages where they are unnecessary or unsuitable. I'll check those out, and delete any unwanted ones. I know a couple of them ''will'' be used but not just yet. I've changed your post above to link ''to'' the image instead of displaying them, because displaying them here wrongly removes them from UnusedImages. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:19, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Activity==<br />
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Yes, I'm still around, I just haven't had much to do around here recently. However, with the GTA V announcement I will certainly be more active. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 00:34, 30 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Badge Question ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have a question, if a user on Wikia achievement boost then does that user derserves a block?--[[User:4th hale|4th hale]] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 23:51, 31 October 2011 (GMT)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=334257User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-31T23:51:09Z<p>4th hale: /* Badge Question */ New discussion</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are billions of possible fonts, but it'd only work if you had it installed on your computer. Only [http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html these fonts] are guaranteed to be on everyone's computers. If you don't mind some people not seeing it, you can use [http://www.speaking-in-styles.com/web-typography/Web-Safe-Fonts/ others]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ah, I see, I was curious on what kind of font this is on that [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817174927/jamescameronsavatar/images/e/e5/Matias_Arana_Banner.png image], apparently the user who made that image use a font from Photoshop.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:25, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah okay - well if you make an image, you can use any font on your own computer, doesn't have to be on the viewer's computer. You'd be best asking the author which font he used, or have a look on [http://www.dafont.com dafont] to see if you can find one you like, download it, install it to your computer, then you can use it in any image you make. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:30, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Found the font, it seems idiotic that you have to download it, thanks Gboyers.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:55, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Maccer ==<br />
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Hi there Gboyers. I want to bring the article [[Maccer]] to your attention, because most of the article is copied verbatim from an external website, http://www.maccer.net, which makes it look to me like it violates your Licensing policy. It was that way before the Community Split, for the record. I noticed this on the other wiki and rewrote it there, but I thought that here it would be more prudent to let you know rather than make any sweeping changes to anything, and I could be mistaken about the policy. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 04:35, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Content copied from Maccer.net does not violate our licencing policy, as it is considered canonical game content and marketing material; and the article is fully referenced, but thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:09, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA V ==<br />
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Well it was announced today! But I want to know your opinion on something... The V looks like a $ sign used in the early 1900s, so does that mean it may possibly take place in that time period? I was thinking about adding that to the GTA V article, if it ain't already there... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:47, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It's already there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:48, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Oh, last time I read it was this morning, sorry.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 23:50, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well there's not much chance of a Grand Theft Auto game set in that era, there are virtually no cars, organised crime is limited, and it would just be a Red Dead game. So yeah I wouldn't worry about that! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:34, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
Ha, your right. Im still pretty shocked that they even announced it, I wasn't expecting that untill they were done promoting MP3. They surprised us all. Im kind of disappointed that they never answered the questions for GTA III, as the site may have that teaser all week. But hey, im happy we got an announcment!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:53, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That teaser is gone alreday and the site works like normal again. The GTA III thing is back as well. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]) 07:47, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Unused Images==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, is it by any chance possible for you to find these images below a home? Also, if you can't find these images a home, can you please help me delete them please? They seem to be good images but they are not used and don't seem to serve a purpose on this wiki. Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 04:29, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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[[:File:Corporal.svg]], [[:File:Sergeant.svg]], [[:File:Colour Sergeant.png]], [[:File:Copyleft.svg]], [[:File:Copyright-yellow.svg]], [[:File:Question.svg]], [[:File:Reupload.PNG]], [[:File:Rodrigo X - Social Profile.png]], [[:File:GCLogo.png]]<br />
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:As I've said before, the purpose of [[Special:UnusedImages]] isn't just to find them homes, it's to get rid of unwanted images. I hope you haven't been putting images on pages where they are unnecessary or unsuitable. I'll check those out, and delete any unwanted ones. I know a couple of them ''will'' be used but not just yet. I've changed your post above to link ''to'' the image instead of displaying them, because displaying them here wrongly removes them from UnusedImages. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:19, 29 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==RE:Activity==<br />
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Yes, I'm still around, I just haven't had much to do around here recently. However, with the GTA V announcement I will certainly be more active. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 00:34, 30 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Badge Question ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have a question, if a user on Wikia achievement boost then does that user derserves a block?</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Manhunt&diff=333879Manhunt2011-10-27T19:15:39Z<p>4th hale: /* References and crossovers between the Grand Theft Auto series and Manhunt */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox CVG<br />
| title = Manhunt<br />
| image = [[Image:manhuntbox.jpg|200px|]]<br />
| developer = [[Rockstar North]]<br />
| publisher = [[Rockstar Games]]<br />
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| released = November 18, [[2003]]<br />
| genre = Action<br />
| modes = Single player<br />
| ratings = [[ESRB]]:[[Image:ESRB_M.png|15px]] Mature<br />
| platforms = [[Personal Computer|PC]], [[PlayStation 2]], [[Xbox]]<br />
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'''Manhunt''' is a violent and controversial stealth action video game released by [[Rockstar North]] in November 2003. It follows the story of death row inmate [[James Earl Cash]] who's execution was faked by a man known as The Director. The Director plans to us Cash in a deadly game of cat and mouse, forcing him to kill gang members in cordoned off areas of [[Carcer City]] while he records it for the sake of making Snuff videos. The game is notable for various tie-ins with the [[Grand Theft Auto]] series, most notably the use of [[Carcer City]], a location mentioned in [[Grand Theft Auto]], as the game's setting.<br />
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In 2007, the game was succeeded by a sequel, '''Manhunt 2''', which features fewer relations to the GTA series.<br />
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==References and crossovers between the [[Grand Theft Auto]] series and Manhunt==<br />
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;Grand Theft Auto 2<br />
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*[[GTA 2]] features a series of gangs, one of which goes by the name [[Loonies]], they are described as ‘Mental Patients’ and have a very similar look to the Smileys from Manhunt. The cars that they drive have a small smiley face on the top of them, similar to the simplistic design the Smileys use for their masks, or draw on walls. In Manhunt the Smilieys are referred to as ‘Loonies’ by Starkweather, during the scene ‘Mouth of Madness’, the fact that they are also mental patients bears too much of a similarity to the ‘Loonies’ from GTA2 too simply be a coincidence.<br />
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;Grand Theft Auto III<br />
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* On the [[Lips 106]] radio station in [[Grand Theft Auto III]] the news reporter [[Andee]] states: "So I'm sitting here, reading the Liberty Tree, and it says 'In nearby Carcer City, a good day for law and order as police chief [[Gary Schaffer]] was cleared of corruption charges in a controversial decision by the court.' Let's hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound.” This is a potential timeline conflict. Grand Theft Auto III is supposed to take place around [[2001]], Yet at the journalists apartment in Manhunt we can see from the calendar on her kitchen wall that the events of Manhunt take place around November of 2003. The only other explanation is that this is the second time that the Police Chief has found himself in trouble.<br />
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*The toilet which you must jump down to during the third scene in Manhunt (Road to Ruin) was originally used in [[Grand Theft Auto III]] during the mission [[Payday For Ray]]. The toilet can be located in [[Staunton Island]].<br />
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;Grand Theft Auto Vice City<br />
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*There is a [[Sprunk]] soda machine that can just be seen in the background during one of the cut-scenes backstage at the Love Fist show. The Sprunk logo design was significantly changed for Manhunt and has maintained the aesthetic designed for Manhunt in later Grand Theft Auto Games.<br />
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*During the introduction titles and opening scene in Manhunt there is a drug store called [[Ryton Aide]]. In Grand Theft Auto: Vice City the same store can be found at [[Little Havana]].<br />
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*There is a mattress store that has a poster that says ‘The Best Mattresses in Carcer’, this is likely a reference to Joes Beds from Manhunt.<br />
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*The junkyard in the scene 'Fuelled by Hate' has the same car crusher and surroundings as the one featured in the junkyard of[[Vice City]].<br />
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*During one scene (View of Innocence) on the second floor of the shopping mall, one of the counters has the words [[Tarbrush Café]] and a picture of a coffee cup. In Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, the characters Tommy and Lance had to destroy the ‘Tarbrush Café’ during the mission [[Cop Land]].<br />
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*You can find multiple blue and white shopping bags with the word [[Gash]] written on them in the Journalists apartment during the scene ‘Press Coverage’. In [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City]] there is a department store of the same name, and the store is located at the [[North Point Mall]].<br />
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*One of the idle comments members of the Hoods make is "Yeah, we got it all, a BJ Smith grill, the works, she’s real happy." In Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, [[BJ Smith]] is the former tight-end of the [[Vice City Mambas]] football team. This line is clearly a spoof of the real world George Forman Grill.<br />
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;Grand Theft Auto San Andreas<br />
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*While at [[Zero's RC Shop]] have a look around and you will see photos of mock-up action figures from past games developed by Rockstar North, including Cash and Piggsy from Manhunt. These figure shots were originally found in the bonus art gallery once you had gained a 3 star ranking on 'Trained to Kill'. Interestingly enough the image has now been altered to display the final design for Cash, as apposed to the beta model shown in the bonus art panel in Manhunt. <br />
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*When in one of the bars like the [[Ten Green Bottles]], look at the artwork on the walls. Amongst other pieces of art you can see a Cerberus guard mural painted on the wall.<br />
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*At the Police Department Headquarters in [[Las Venturas]] you can find two pictures of Cash and three pictures of members of the Hoods posted on a bulletin board as wanted. There is also a bunch of writing to accompany it; unfortunately it is too small too make out, but it likely doesn’t say anything in particular that is worth noting.<br />
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*During the Casino Heist mission [[Architectural Espionage]] you are required to enter the City Planning Department within Las Venturas. As you make your way through the building explore the rooms and you will come across various blueprints pinned within a few of the rooms, and one of the blueprints is of Starkweather's mansion, as featured in the last few scenes of Manhunt. The blueprint is titled ‘ Starkweather’s Estate’.<br />
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*Originally an Easter Egg in Vice City and then featured in Manhunt, the Sprunk vending machines once again make a return. It seems Rockstar North is finally happy with the Sprunk logo as it has retained the same design aesthetic as featured in Manhunt, as apposed to how it originally looked in Vice City.<br />
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*San Andreas makes use of a minimalist Manhunt inspired stealth mechanic on select missions; [[CJ]] can perform a level one execution from Manhunt with the knife by creeping up behind a pedestrian. After you have performed a stealth kill in San Andreas the fallen victim's death pose is the exact same animation as in Manhunt. Keep your eye out and you will spot other animations that were originally used in Manhunt. Also using the same aiming and targeting system featured in Manhunt, when a pedestrian is targeted three triangles circle the targets head, the triangles are again color coded, with green triangles indicating an alive pedestrian and black triangles around dead pedestrians.<br />
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*There is a junkyard that can be found in the rural district of [[Flint County]] by [[Angel Pines]] while on the way too [[San Fierro]] that is assembled using various models from the junkyard and surrounding areas within Manhunt during the scenes ‘White Trash’ and ‘Fuelled by Hate’. Also within Flint County junkyard you will come across a crane which was originally used during the scene ‘Fuelled by Hate’.<br />
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*The blue propane canisters that are located around the countryside area are once again taken from Manhunt, they are similar in design, size and color and have the following written on them ‘Carcer Gas 15KG’. When shot they explode, these were originally used during the scene ‘White Trash’.<br />
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*Other in game models that look to be taken from Manhunt include the boxes of ammunition and nail gun boxes that can be found laying around in the various [[Ammu-nation]] stores. The wheelchairs within San Andreas appear to be the exact same models from Manhunt, including the textures used. <br />
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*On the shores of Palomino Creek, north of Los Santos, there are several large, wooden, spool-shaped objects with the almost-indistinguishable words "Jartnuk Cable Company" and "Carcer" on them. <br />
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*In the first cutscene at the airport, the arrivals board shows one flight incoming from Carcer City.<br />
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*In the countryside you can spot a few of the pedestrians wearing overalls with a tartan shirt on, it looks to be a reused texture from one of the Smilies.<br />
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*One of the gangs that roam the San Fierro country side in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas has a tattoo of the word RIFA on his chest; in Manhunt the Innocentz have this same tattoo in the exact same location.<br />
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*During one of the commercial breaks on K-Rose, listen out for an advertisement for Carcer City. <br />
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*A radio advertisement for Carcer City makes references to steel mills being closed and "dining in the glow of the Flaming River". Many steel mills in the Midwest closed during the early '90s, including those in Pittsburgh, PA, Philadelphia, PA, Cleveland, Ohio, and Detroit, MI. The "Flaming River" is a clear reference to the "Burning River", a period in the 1970s where the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, Ohio was so polluted that it caught fire<br />
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*During the radio talk show [[Area 53]], a caller by the name of Vivian calls in from Carcer City and talks about crop circles. On another radio station WCTR, a woman calls into the show [[The Wild Traveller]] from Carcer City.<br />
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*There are pedestrians that can be heard saying comments about Carcer City such as "this is why I am moving to Carcer City" other lines of dialogue include "Hey! This isn't Carcer City, okay!" when bumped in to. There is a male pedestrian that sometime says "Where do you think this is, Carcer City? Watch out!"<br />
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;[[Liberty City Stories]]<br />
*Many weapons have made it into Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories from Manhunt. The weapons include a meat cleaver, hand axe, baseball bat (aluminum), nightstick, a knife and a handgun just to name some of the obvious ones. Some of them even appear to be the same weapon model as used in Manhunt, if not then certainly based on the same designs.<br />
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*Slash TV is another hint at Manhunt, set as a mini game where you have take out as many different people as you can using only the Chainsaw with the overalls and hockey mask on while someone is filming it.<br />
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*Another hint to Manhunt include a mission titled [[Snuff]], in this mission you are asked to eliminate members of the [[Sindacco Family]] that are putting pressure on a fellow Sindacco who would like to become a member of the Leone Family. The turn coat in question is [[JD Otoole]], he runs a sex shop. During the mission he is watching from a near by building and video tapes it all for his very own snuff movie, he calls [[Toni]] to express his gratitude for the clip.<br />
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*A man named Ken calls "The Electron Zone" on LCFR and states that he is "calling from Carcer City." <br />
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;[[Vice City Stories]]<br />
*If you listen into the various pedestrians you pass in the game you can hear some claim to have had previous occupations in Carcer City, such as 'I was a plumber in Carcer City!’<br />
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*The junkyard in Vice City Stories has the same tower that is featured in the scene ‘Mouth of Madness’.<br />
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*One of the newer game play elements introduced in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories it the prospect of [[Empire Building]]. There are various building types you are able to purchase and they all grant you a relevant outfit to wear. If you purchase a high roller ‘Robbery’ building (the building sets you back $ 1,400) you get access to the ‘Hood’ outfit. This outfit seems to be a reference to the Hoods from Manhunt.<br />
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;[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]<br />
*In Broker you can find the same hippopotamus as originally featured in the Carcer City zoo of Manhunt. The hippo statue can be found down alleyways, at the beach boardwalk, and outside the bowling alley. Looking at the models it appears that the geometry used is exactly the same, with the only enhancements coming from the lighting and improved texture work.<br />
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*Some of the pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto IV have familiar Manhunt characters printed on their shirts. It can be hard to locate some of these pedestrians due to the fact that they seemingly only appear in specific locations and at certain hours of the day.<br />
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*Many locations throughout Liberty City have small banks known as 'Checks Cashed'. This store brand was originally found in Manhunt and could be found in the opening scene 'Born Again'.<br />
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*Some pedestrians can be seen wearing [[Carcer City Unicorns]] clothing. <br />
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*If you look on the criminals section of the Liberty City Police Department's website you will stumble across two characters that are listed as originating from Carcer City. In order to access these pages you need to do is visit the following webpage address: www.libertycitypolice.com/profile.html, then select F-J, if you look under place of birth you will see Carcer City for two different people.<br />
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*One of the many Xbox 360 achievements possible for Grand Theft Auto IV is titled 'Manhunt'. In order to gain this achievement you must complete all 30 of the 'Most Wanted' side missions which can be accessed through using the computer in any LCPD patrol car.<br />
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*One of the statistics you are able to view in Grand Theft Auto IV is 'Distance traveled', under this statistic it is possible to achieve 'Liberty City to Carcer City' as the distance traveled. This is achieved fairly early into the game, no more than a few game hours, this further indicates that Carcer City is right next to Liberty City.<br />
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;General<br />
* Multiple vehicles that have appeared prior in GTA III and GTA Vice City have appeared in some form in both Manhunt games. Including but not limited to the [[Pony]], [[Yankee]], [[Forklift]], [[Blista Compact]], [[Boxville]], [[Securicar]], and the Carcer City police cruisers share the exact model as what's seen in Vice City. Only difference is it has a white and black color scheme instead of white and green. It should be noted that driving is not something the player can do in Manhunt, these vehicles are placed strictly for scenic and atheistic purposes. <br />
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* Many models for things that enhance the scenery can be found around GTA games and are from Manhunt. This includes but is not limited to chairs, tables, flower beddings, buildings, and billboards. This is done to maintain a certain level of consistency between games due to them all being in the same universe.<br />
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* [[Sprunk]], featured in Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA IV as a drink players can buy for regaining health, is also featured in many levels of Manhunt, but cannot be purchased or drank. Also, one of the items in Manhunt that use use to lure hunters is a Sprunk soda can.<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
* [[Chris McKinney]], the voice actor for [[The Lost Brotherhood]] biker [[Jim Fitzgerald]] provides the voice for Ramirez, the leader of the Wardogs in Manhunt.<br />
* [[Renaud Sebbane]], a producer, and the voice actor for [[Barry Stark]] (GTA Vice City), and random pedestrians (GTA III) provides the voice for The White Rabbit in Manhunt.<br />
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==External links==<br />
{{wikipedia|Manhunt (video game)}}<br />
* [http://www.rockstargames.com/manhunt/ Official Manhunt website].<br />
* [http://www.ntsc-uk.com/feature.php?featuretype=edi&fea=ManhuntIntro NTSC-uk dissects Manhunt].<br />
* [http://www.beemoh.co.uk/article.php?31 The Manhunt Fiasco], timeline of a related lawsuit.<br />
* [http://manhunt.wikia.com/wiki/Manhunt| Manhunt Wiki]<br />
* [http://www.projectmanhunt.com<br />
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font><br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
<br />
Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia], despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::You should edit at Uncyclopedia, it's a funny site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:52, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Still working on that, haven't made that Wiki yet.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:28, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
==GTA V==<br />
You saw the announcement?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 01:17, 26 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Pretty cool that it's coming out.--[[User:4th hale|4th hale]] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 01:21, 26 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333649User talk:Original Light2011-10-26T00:17:41Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
<pre><br />
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<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font><br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
<br />
Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
<br />
Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia], despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::You should edit at Uncyclopedia, it's a funny site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:52, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
<br />
::::Still working on that, haven't made that Wiki yet.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:28, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==GTA V==<br />
You saw the announcement?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 01:17, 26 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=333584User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-24T23:55:30Z<p>4th hale: /* All Fonts */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are billions of possible fonts, but it'd only work if you had it installed on your computer. Only [http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html these fonts] are guaranteed to be on everyone's computers. If you don't mind some people not seeing it, you can use [http://www.speaking-in-styles.com/web-typography/Web-Safe-Fonts/ others]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ah, I see, I was curious on what kind of font this is on that [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817174927/jamescameronsavatar/images/e/e5/Matias_Arana_Banner.png image], apparently the user who made that image use a font from Photoshop.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:25, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah okay - well if you make an image, you can use any font on your own computer, doesn't have to be on the viewer's computer. You'd be best asking the author which font he used, or have a look on [http://www.dafont.com dafont] to see if you can find one you like, download it, install it to your computer, then you can use it in any image you make. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:30, 25 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Found the font, it seems idiotic that you have to download it, thanks Gboyers.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:55, 25 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333582User talk:Original Light2011-10-24T23:28:51Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia], despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::You should edit at Uncyclopedia, it's a funny site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:52, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Still working on that, haven't made that Wiki yet.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:28, 25 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=333581User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-24T23:25:19Z<p>4th hale: /* All Fonts */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
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When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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<nowiki>{| align="center" | ... |}</nowiki><br />
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<nowiki><div style="text-align:center"> ... </div></nowiki><br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are billions of possible fonts, but it'd only work if you had it installed on your computer. Only [http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html these fonts] are guaranteed to be on everyone's computers. If you don't mind some people not seeing it, you can use [http://www.speaking-in-styles.com/web-typography/Web-Safe-Fonts/ others]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Ah, I see, I was curious on what kind of font this is on that [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817174927/jamescameronsavatar/images/e/e5/Matias_Arana_Banner.png image], apparently the user who made that image use a font from Photoshop.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 00:25, 25 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=333563User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-24T18:53:32Z<p>4th hale: /* All Fonts */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a list of every fonts like Papyrus, Times New Roman, etc.?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333562User talk:Original Light2011-10-24T18:52:24Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia], despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::You should edit at Uncyclopedia, it's a funny site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:52, 24 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=333561User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-24T18:50:52Z<p>4th hale: /* All Fonts */ New discussion</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
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:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+a+wiki Yes]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Usage ==<br />
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Hi. Can you use the bot to replace all<br />
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According to the w3schools website, the align attribute for tables is deprecated, and the wiki table's align attribute on this website is broken anyways.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 01:41, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:There are better ways of doing it than that. Yes, align=center is old-style HTML and ideally shouldn't be used (but it still pretty much works). the style="text-align:center" is CSS - but the whole point of CSS is that it can be applied to all galleries automatically from a [[Mediawiki:Common.css|stylesheet]] rather than having to define it every time. :I've added the neccessary CSS, so now [[Sandbox#Gallery_1|all galleries]] will be centred just by using <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> - no div or table is required. Let me know if that solves your problems. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:23, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Actually, making galleries centered by default seems to be a bad idea. Not all galleries need to be centered, like in the vehicle image pages ([[:File:Admiral-GTAVC-LooseEnds-front.jpg]]). I added style="text-align:center" within the galleries tag for the identical effects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 16:28, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:The old, now broken gallery code is really nothing more than a gallery enveloped in a centered table. The reason I originally introduced that as a gallery standard was because any direct use of the center tag in the gallery syntax also centers thumbnail captions, which are a little harder to read than if they were simply aligned to the left by default. I'll be happy to fix it. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:05, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Turns out we can in fact drop the table code and use style="text-align:left" to align thumbnail captions. The problem is this also affects galleries with thumbnails that occupy only one row, as they are aligned to the left in a grid regardless as opposed to independently aligning to the center (see the last two galleries on the [[Infernus]] article for examples). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:24, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I have edited the Infernus page so that one-row galleries are centered.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:38, 23 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Did you meant to revert revision on common.css and not common.js? My edits on common.js included the fix to the duplicate show/hide text in collapsible tables.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:16, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yes, you removed all the CSS for navboxes, which (when hard refreshed) broke them completely (they didn't collapse at all). I'll look into it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:34, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Ok, so I only removed the duplicate show/hide code and collapsible tables seems to work fine on Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. On Firefox, which I only use to go to this website, I cleared the cache and did a hard refresh and collapsible tables seem to also work correctly.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:29, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah seems to work, I think my browser remembered something from when I was testing the gallery code. I'll re-instate your edit before I reverted it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 21 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place ==<br />
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I made an account last week, but i'm still "validating". I re-sent the account validation but it never sends me an email. I know I put in the right email when I registered. Any help would be great Gboyers, you know more about this than anyone I can think of. <br />
Oh, and by the way, I wasn't born in 1968! It's just an old Gamertag that I had, never left me since, the 68 in my account dosen't mean anything!<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I have re-sent your validation email from TGTAP, you ought to receive it now and be able to confirm it. Do you share your email address with someone else, such as a parent (initials R.G.)? If so, I'd suggest you get your own personal email address for this sort of thing. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:29, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thats my moms old email, gave it to me six years ago. I have my own email, I just thought that it would make sense to use the same email as I use for GTW. Thanks! Edit: It's still not inside my inbox, I checked my junk mail box also. Do you think that you could send it to my new email? If not, then I will make a new account on TGTAP. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:38, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Don't post your email address publicly on this site. If you still haven't receive the confirmation email from TGTAP:<br />
:#Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and enter your new personal email, and choose to verify it<br />
:#Check your email and verify it<br />
:#Let me know when that's done, then I'll change your email address on TGTAP, and re-send the verification from there<br />
:#Then you can check your email and verify your TGTAP account.<br />
:Then you should have full access to both sites! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:48, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Where it says password, do I enter my password for GTW or the email password? I just did it by puting in my GTW pass, but it didn't work. So I assume that it is the email password?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:57, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It asks for your GTW password to confirm that it's you requesting the change (not someone else using your PC). You should never enter your email password on any other website. If you can't remember your password AND you haven't verified your email, I can't help you. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:02, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I got it, it says that it sent it. I'm in my email now, hopefully it works...--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:07, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It ain't working. Sorry to waste your time, thanks anyways. :)--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:11, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Try again in a couple of weeks. I've changed your email address on TGTAP to the one you gave me before, and re-sent the validation email there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:20, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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It worked! Thanks! I now have an account on TGTAP. Thanks for your help.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:36, 22 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Category Problem ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I think that there is a problem with [[:Category:Pages with broken file links]]. Some of the pages listed don't have broken file links yet they still appear in the category. Refreshing the page doesn't make any difference.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:14, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You're right. Perhaps some of the pages haven't been purged/edited since the broken-file was uploaded. I've set off a server-side job to refresh ALL links on ALL pages (including categories, whatlinkshere, redlinks etc) which should sort it all out over the next hour or however long it takes. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:46, 24 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== All Fonts ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, do you know any site that has a lsit of every fonts?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 19:50, 24 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:4th_hale&diff=333211User talk:4th hale2011-10-21T19:45:30Z<p>4th hale: /* RE: Games */</p>
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== Reply ==<br />
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Hi, sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I can't delete your username, as it's important for us to keep track of who made every edit. The best I can do is disable your account to stop any further edits being made, but that seems a little extreme. With regards to how I made this site, how much detail do you want? This is just a MediaWiki installation running on a web server we own. Are you asking about this specific website, or are you trying to set up a wiki yourself? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 22:32, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:A "wiki" and a "wikia" are different things. A wiki is a type of website, like this one. Wikia is just one company that allows you to make/run wiki sites with a few clicks, but they don't let you have full control and they cover your site in adverts. This wiki used to be at Wikia, but we moved away, and now we run ourselves on our own server, which we pay for. If you want a simple, free service, check out [[wp:Comparison of wiki farms|Comparison of wiki farms]], and maybe try [http://www.shoutwiki.com ShoutWiki] - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:51, 24 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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We chose to leave Wikia for a wide range of reasons. Don't forget that I founded GTW ''before'' we moved TO Wikia. However, when we left, Wikia chose to keep a copy running, and refused to allow us to delete the site. We tried a few options, including changing the focus of that site to allow them to co-exist, but Wikia then banned me and demoted all GTW's staff. So now gta.wikia is a false copy of this site, with staff chosen by Wikia, where the founder (me) is banned. I'm still glad we left. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:03, 25 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Senior Editor" tag ==<br />
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Hi 4th hale. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you using that "senior editor" box on your user page. Whilst I have no doubt you're very experienced, it implies that you have some sort of authority or seniority over other users. Even staff are just normal editors, and not necessarily any more right or knowledgeable than any other user. I'd prefer it if you just made a factual statement, like saying you are an experienced wiki editor and you've edited on XYZ wikis for X years. That alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:21, 29 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah that's fine now (although it should be "an editor" not "a editor"). Feel free to [[Community:Links|link to us]], use one of our [[Community:Signatures|Signatures]] or just spread the word! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 30 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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I've removed your preference of skin, so you should be back at the default now. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:27, 1 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Dick ==<br />
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I hate to do this, but the answer seems to be [http://gta.wikia.com/Talk:Love_Fist here]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:04, 2 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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GTW uses the Vector skin that is the default for newer versions of MediaWiki. We just have some edited CSS to add the background, not much else. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Yup! ==<br />
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Thats cool, I live in windsor area. What town are you in?<br />
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:Well, nice to meet you. Bye. I never knew someone was in CT just like me on GTW. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I have a Xbox 360. I used to have a PS3 but it broke the day I got it. :( --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::How did it get deleted? Hacked? BTW how did you make you signature like that? It's cool. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:07, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Thanks. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:22, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Cool! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:26, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Thanks! How about now? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:31, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Thanks again, it much better than that bland signature I had before! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:39, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Yes I have, hopefully it dosent get to bad. The main thing im worried about is loosing power, no AC, no Fan, and most importantly, NO VIDEO GAMES! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:45, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Im going back to High School on Tuesday, im hoping it destroys it so I don't have to go! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
Do you have a profile on GTA Forums? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well check out the GTA V section if your into anything GTA 5 related.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::No prob. See ya. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:15, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Username & Bitmaps ==<br />
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We do not allow .bmp (bitmap) images, as they are a very bad and inefficient file format, and they do not resize well (for thumbnails etc). Please convert any BMP/GIF images to PNG/JPG/SVG. <br />
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Username changes are usually only granted to users who have unacceptable usernames (and we require them to change it), or for users that want to bring their usernames in-line with ones on other sites (wikipedia, wikia, gtaforums, thegtaplace etc). I'm happy to change your username once, and only once. We have to make sure that people can find contributors, even from old lists/links, and we have to make sure everything is consistent. So if you are completely sure you want your username changing forever, let me know. Make sure you give me the correct spelling and capitalisation too. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:18, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I assume you mean that you are using Paint to save screenshots? When you "Save As" your image, you can choose the type at the bottom. See [http://labviewwiki.org/images/3/36/Paint_File_Formats.PNG this]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Has anything happened? ==<br />
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Nope, not where my block is, we didn't even loose power. How bout' you? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:34, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Haha ==<br />
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Thanks, man.<br />
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I never knew about the "hate wikia" userbox until I checked out your profile. Thanks. I took the liberty of adding one myself. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, trust me. I hate the GTA staff far more than any layout. But I try to avoid any wikia I can at the moment, ESPECIALLY the GTA one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:48, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I'm banned there due to my last idea, so I can't help. Good luck with that though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:01, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Haha. I spammed links to here and vandalized the pages, insulting the first (there's more than one, which is extremely sad) [bad] admin that I found. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:07, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I'm glad I can't recall, but I do remember that it was the one who just "LOVED 'HARUHI' MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF" That one. Not like you can tell him apart from any of the others though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::With how tireless everyone here is working, it's only a matter of time before our site far surpasses them. Look at the idiots they have running it; I'm honestly amazed it lasted as long as it did already. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:23, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Ha. Who did that? Was it you?--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:54, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "This user Hates Wikia" User box. ==<br />
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I want one! Please show me how?<br />
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:First off, sign all your posts. Click the signature button at the top screen.<br />
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:Just cancel out the space between the : and there you go. Save, and that's the one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 20:06, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, thanks. Sorry about not signing, bad habbit. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Server cost ==<br />
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The total cost is a couple of hundred pounds per month, but that's between Grand Theft Wiki, The GTA Place and a couple of other sites.<br />
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== Duplicate Accounts ==<br />
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I have blocked your two duplicate accounts: [[User:Quiet Man]] and [[User:4th hale]]. Users are not permitted to operate duplicate accounts on this wiki without permission. Please familiarise yourself with the [[Rules]] of Grand Theft Wiki, and explain your reasoning for registering multiple accounts. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:01, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah I forgot about that - that explains why they had no contributions. Oh well, I'll keep them blocked. No worries! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Please see [[User talk:gboyers]] for the outcome of the Mizu101 username discussion. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:39, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Use the same password you use for Mizu101 on Grand Theft Mods. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:34, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:59, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Question==<br />
Out of all the places I've been to Japan is my favourite. The people are fantastic there, as I've found the people in Asia in general are, and they know how to do everyhing. I could talk all day and night about the great things in Japan, from the availability of vending machines/convenience stores and the noise from the traffic lights to the fact that everywhere is clean. I'd always recommend going to Japan. I'd also recommend travelling with [http://www.insidejapantours.com/ Inside Japan Tours]. Their website also has a lot of information about many locations in Japan. A-Dust 23:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Comment==<br />
Yeah I've noticed that and I had edited and contributed since they had opened and did PR for them, talk 'bout not being loyal ain't they ever heard of the saying "Don't shit on your own doorstep?" One of them reckons I don't know Grand Theft Auto, when I started a craze of it in Year 4 in 2002 in my class, everyone came 'round my house and it weren't just 'cause I got the new Nelly CD or the newest Expansion Pack to The Sims! It was for my copy of Grand Theft Auto 3. I even got people to join their site, they ain't looking too clever now when I've told my mates to leave it as the moderators are crooked as anything.<br />
I like this website the most, people are friendly and helpful, also how do I get the date and time on my comments? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Where's the signature button?[[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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== Banned from wikia ==<br />
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No im not. Why?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:35, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: McJeff ==<br />
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There is no reason for McJeff to not be here. If you have a specific complaint about his behaviour, let me know and I'll deal with it. Otherwise, don't complain! If you have a personal problem with him, or any disagreement about his behaviour on the other wiki, please keep it OFF this site. Understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 06:31, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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As I've said many times, what people do on other wikis is not my concern. The only exception would be where there's evidence to suggest a user should be removed from ''this'' site. Even if McJeff was the most Nazi-like admin ever on other sites, it's got nothing to do with Grand Theft Wiki. Please don't bring it up again, don't talk to him on this site, don't talk about him here unless he does something wrong '''here'''. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 11:07, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:What change is that, and who said it? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:53, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Games ==<br />
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No I don't, is it good?. By the way, earlier you asked if I was banned from wikia, why did you ask?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:41, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Hey dude, why did you mess up your nice profile? You used to have userboxes, and a lot more info.<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font></div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333208User talk:Original Light2011-10-21T19:36:48Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on [http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Uncyclopedia], despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333207User talk:Original Light2011-10-21T19:33:33Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I don't come here as much as I used to, and givng out my personal information doesn't sound great, on top of that I'm going to create a Warriors Wiki, but in meantime I edit on Uncyclopedia, despite being part of Wikia, it's a good site.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 20:33, 21 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333117User talk:Original Light2011-10-20T20:43:24Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Great game, and as for my question about you being banned from wikia, I was curious, normally some of the users here been banned from Wikia or just left.--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 21:43, 20 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=333061User talk:Original Light2011-10-20T16:09:27Z<p>4th hale: /* Games */ New discussion</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font><br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Games ==<br />
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Hey dude, do you play the video game ''The Warriors''?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:09, 20 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=333060User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-10-20T16:07:55Z<p>4th hale: /* Trouble Ahoy */ New discussion</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
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:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re:Toolbar above editing area and the "Currently editing" toolbar ==<br />
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Is there any way to disable both these features in my preferences? I found very little use for them, yet they manage to disrupt my editing by gobbling up memory and causing wiki pages to freeze. Case in point: As I'm typing this message, the "currently editing" toolbar constantly checks how long it's been since I started editing; the problem is it seems to be incapable of measuring the overall time, and the timer frequently resets when I constantly type for more than 5 seconds, freezing the page momentarily each time. I'm not exactly sure if all those fancy plug-ins in this wiki are useful to other users, but it's certainly more of a hindrance to me. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:44, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's fair enough. The edit toolbar can be disabled in [[Special:Preferences]] by unticking "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". The currently-editing system isn't working properly, so I've disabled it. Always happy to have feedback, so just let me know if anything else is bugging you or ought to be changed. I've been testing out a fair few fancy plug-ins, some of which have been very useful, some of which just haven't worked out. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::That's strange. Both those options are already unticked in my preferences, yet the toolbar is still there. Enabling and disabling the options don't work either. Take your time on this though; I'll just check back later tomorrow.<p>And thanks for the response; I'll keep an eye out for other major problems. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 19:14, 29 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Here are few more problems I've only just recalled:<br />
:::* When a navigation box template is used on another navigation box, two <code>[show]</code>/<code>[hide]</code> tags will appear instead of one. You can refer to any vehicle page's navigation box.<br />
:::* The "Follow Twitter" link in the lefthand sidebar overlaps the main body of the page, resulting in being unable to select, click, or highlight in that area. I wasn't able to click the save button in the edit page on occasions because it just happened to be in the same row as that link.<br />
:::Also, the gallery syntax has been acting strangely since yesterday, aligning to the left despite being contained in a centered table (and the "center" alignment intended for the table has now affected the alignment of image captions and the positioning of the thumbnails instead; see the [[Infernus]] article as an example). I'm not sure why, but it happened shortly after I highlighted the problems with the editing toolbars yesterday.<br />
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:::You might want to look into those problems when you have the time. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:02, 30 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Userbox Help ==<br />
Hi Gboyers, I've just created a userbox. How do you put your userboxes in the Userbox: Templates ?--[[User: GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]] 16:13, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can see you've written the code for your userbox, but not actually created it. [[Help:Userboxes]] has the information you need: ''"You should create your userbox at Template:Userbox:name - this means your box can be included by a user simply using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code>."'' Then it gives you the code to add to your new userbox's page which will add it to [[:Category:Userboxes]]. Once you've made it, you can include it in your page using <code><nowiki>{{userbox:name}}</nowiki></code> as it says. Let me know if you need any more help. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:58, 1 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Haitian Ganglord deletion ==<br />
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Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to delete the [[New Haitian Ganglord]] article? --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:10, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep, that's why I proposed deletion rather than just deleting it. I posted my comments on [[Talk:New Haitian Ganglord]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:59, 5 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Medals ==<br />
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What happened to the medals users used to get when we were on Wikia? Like for 10 edits, you got an award, for 50 edits, you got an award, etc... I thought it was cool but it's just an idea... --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:29, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Here, we don't think that edit count really defines a good editor. For example, some people don't know how to use the "preview" button and press "Publish" 10 times for every edit they make, correcting mistakes, adding more content, fixing layout problems etc (which shows as 10 edits). Whereas other editors make sure the page works properly before saving (which shows as 1 edit). The less experienced editors end up with a much higher edit count than the more-experienced ones, despite often not adding as much useful content. Also, many people contribute behind-the-scenes, making templates and helping organise this wiki, which isn't reflected in the achievement/medal system. So for that reason, I don't believe we should be rewarding or segregating editors based on edit count alone. Doing so would also encourage users to make more high-volume low-quality edits - I've seen this happen in many places (particularly forums which separate users based on post count). We are looking at ways to reward hard-working users, such as our brand-new [[Main Page]] "user of the month" segment, and the [[Grand Theft Wiki: Medals]] system for the very best and hardest-working editors. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, now I understand. I was just thinking the other day that the day I joined, their was a post count on user profiles and a medal system. Thanks for clearing that up. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:50, 4 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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==User of the Month/Medals==<br />
Hey Gboyers, just asking, should the "Users of the month" get a medal? Also, how come there haven't been any medals awarded recently at GTW?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:19, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I think there's a big difference between being a good contributor for a couple of weeks, and performing the type of work required for a medal. The UOTM is designed to encourage people to contribute and to be a reward for users who stand out. Medals are my personal awards to those users who have to a lot more than ''anyone'' else over a long period of time to improve this wiki. I've been debating new medal awards recently, but I won't give them out lightly. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:31, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== My articles flagged for deletion ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, there is something very strange going on at this wiki. My articles "[[The Businessman's Bodyguard]]" and "[[New Haitian Ganglord]]" have been flagged for deletion, with the reasons being that "these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured." However, the [[Carl Pearson]], [[Mrs. Dawson]], [[Mike Griffin]], [[Dick Tanner]], [[Marcus Hammond]], [[Franco Carter]], [[Nick Kong]] and [[Charlie Dilson]] articles all fall under the same flag (ie. these pages will never have any interesting information at all about the character(s) as there is none to be found. It's just retelling what happened in the only mission he/she is featured.), have less information than the two articles that I have created yet they are not proposed for deletion. Can you please explain why this is the case and is it possible to create a policy regarding this issue to avoid confusion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:13, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I'm not sure that qualifies as a "very strange thing", it's just that we've reached a point where we need to discuss and decide between two different ways of doing things. I've not read every single page on the wiki, which is why I've only marked for deletion the ones I've read that I think we should ''consider'' deleting; and it has nothing to do with who created it. <br />
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:As I explained, I marked [[New Haitian Ganglord]] for deletion as the character is unnamed; not specifically identified as ''the'' sole leader of the gang; and not mentioned outside of one mission. The entire information about the character is in the mission page. Now, because the character is unnamed, nobody is going to look up their name and expect to find a page there. The only way people will know about this character is through that single mission, so why not just leave it in the mission page? My point is exemplified by [[Special:WhatLinksHere/New_Haitian_Ganglord|WhatLinksHere]] - the only pages that link to it are discussion pages. The Haitian Ganglords potentailly qualify as slightly useful as they could be linked to from the [[Haitians]] article as well as the mission, but that's all, which is why I suggested having one page about them both. <br />
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:The other issue was that you had to resort to inventing obvious/redundant content (such as "At some unknown time he joined the Haitian gang") because you realise there isn't enough real information to make a cohesive article. We shouldn't have to do that.<br />
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:You might argue that the article is "harmless" and there's no point deleting it as it's not as if we pay per-page. I agree to an extent, but if it's a pointless page then it dilutes our other content, fills up categories/lists, and makes extra work when we come to change things (such as replacing/updating infoboxes). I'm happy to keep pages if they're useful, if visitors will want to find them, or if they are needed for other things to make sense. Whether we keep "useless" pages is a decision we could make.<br />
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:Applying the same logic to the other characters, the same issues arise with unnamed characters (that nobody would look for), and particularly ones that have absolutely no identity or background information whatsoever. Where characters have names or voice actors, then there's straight away a chance that people could be looking those names up to read about them. Where unnamed characters are important to a plotline or a number of missions, then they are useful pages to have, where the information makes a lot more sense to be on that page than spread across lots of other pages (or nowhere at all).<br />
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:This is a bigger issue than just about those articles, or even about character pages. There have been many discussions on whether to have a page for every shop/business, where they are nothing more than one texture on a wall. For a long time I said this would be better in a table than a page, but it's surprising how much information people can pull out.<br />
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:Personally, I'm undecided. I don't think we should have dozens of articles about every irrelevant detail or variation. But I think we are big enough to be able to cope with people expanding the wiki like that - so long as it is managed properly. This is something we have done carefully ever since the wiki started - we start off with a small number of high-quality articles, then expand when we're ready. We're ready for a lot more than we used to be, and I don't want this wiki to become stale/empty. That said, I really don't want to end up in a situation where someone goes and makes 1,000 empty stub articles for pointless things (like a page for every grass texture and wheel type); nor where the wiki is so big nobody can use it. Long story short, if there's no content, there should be no page.<br />
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:As I've said - happy to discuss this to figure out what is in the best interests of this wiki, please don't take it personally at all. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 6 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Staff Forum ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, forgive me if this is an inconvinience to you or if I should have already known this but can you tell me how to access the staff forum? Also, can you please tell me how to use it? I have not used forums before.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:27, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Click [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here] and log in with your GTA Place account. Then you can read the topics, reply to topics, and create new topics. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:36, 7 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Right to Delete Images ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I was wondering if it is possible to give inspectors the right to delete images and pages. I am asking this because there are a lot of images in "Category:Delete" that I have tagged for deletion, but still haven't been deleted. After all, Inspectors are supposed to keep the wiki clean and tidy.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:20, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:This is something I have considered a few times. Inspectors are intended to be half-staff users who are supposed to look around the wiki, check users edits, identify any problems, and provide a short-term temporary fix for any, until an administrator can come in and perform the necessary blocks/bans/protection/deletion. Inspectors are trusted with the rollback tool, the patrol system, and a shiny badge, to allow them to detect & fix vandalism. In additional, we trust them with the move tool to help them perform no-decision naming fixes (rather than fully merge/delete pages). Their primary role is to patrol, check edits and find problems, rather than to fix problems and deal with problem users.<br />
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:In contrast, administrators are staff who are trusted to make decisions based on their interpretation of policy - such as deleting pages, blocking users etc. Think of it as the difference between a member of the public who can ''report'' a crime to police (and step in if they NEED to, to stop people getting hurt), versus a police officer who has the power to step in, decide what crimes have been committed, and arrest using force. Inspectors are trusted member of public, who go around checking everything, and who are given a couple of tools to help when they're first on scene, but are not expected to do deal with everything themselves. <br />
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:I don't know if you have [[wp:Police Community Support Officer|PCSOs]] in Aus, but that's the same principle - PCSOs are always out in the community talking to people, but they don't have many powers, so they are never stuck in the office doing paperwork, the use of powers is left for when the full police officers arrive.<br />
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:If we gave Inspectors the deletion right too, that would mean they would not spend their time checking edits, but they would be going around dealing with problems, deleting pages, even telling off users or dishing out punishments. That is not their role. It's not because we don't think they're good enough to be administrators, or because we don't trust them with the tools, but it's because we need them to be out checking edits, whilst the role of an administrator is not to check edits but to make the decisions and use their powers to organise the wiki and make big changes. We need both types of people here.<br />
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:I would be happy for you to have the power of deletion, but ONLY to remove spam pages or completely-obvious pages. I would not want it to be used for anything that should be ''proposed'' for deletion or discussed - an administrator needs to make the decision on that. For example, only delete spam, vandalism, and completely irrelevant pages (such as those on which you'd use {{template|spam}} or {{template|vandal}}. If there is any question, opinion, or reason why some reasonable people may disagree with the deletion, you should apply the {{template|delete}} template and let an administrator deal with it. Do you think that is reasonable, and would you like that power on that condition? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:33, 8 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sure, that's fine with me, but can you give inspectors the right to delete articles that has been proposed for deletion, but the general public want it deleted (like four or more people want it gone)? Also, can you give inspectors the right to delete unused images taht have been proposed for deletion?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:04, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:No. As I said, those are decisions that only administrators should make (for many reasons). Remember that we do NOT make decisions by voting on this site - it is ''always'' a staff member that makes the final decision. This is because it is very easy for someone to create 5 accounts and vote 5 times (or get 5 friends to make accounts and vote); and also because the votes of 4 or 5 people are not representative of the 1,160 people who have used GTW over the past year. I've not spoken to other staff members yet, but I would be happy to give Inspectors deletion powers ONLY to be used for spam/vandalism, 100% obvious no-possible-disagreement deletion situations, or where they've checked with an administrator before acting. These powers must NOT be used for situations like proposed deletions, unnecessary/duplicate pages, unused images etc. Any abuse of that right (at all) will result in it being permanently withdrawn or more serious action, as I have to be able to trust all the staff here. Is that understood? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:24, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yes, that is understood.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:When I first read this question yesterday, my initial reaction was no - If inspectors (who are often being trialled for administrator) were given deletion rights, then it would need to be harder to become an inspector, which would slow down the entire promotion process and we would end up with less staff. Moving a page to an undesired title doesn't have a big effect, because usually a redirect is created, so the content can still be found. However, deleting a page causes the content to be inaccessible to most users, which (at least until restored) prevents any improvement to the page and ceases discussion.<br />
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:Although after reading Gboyers' reply, that makes sense. Inspectors should always be trusted users - Who can be trusted not to take an action just because they have the technical ability to do so. This in fact fits part of the inspector's role, which involves checking user edits and reverting (or in this case, deleting) vandalism. So, sounds good to me. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 08:32, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Affiliates ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, out of curiosity, what is the point of Grand Theft WIki having affiliates?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:49, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Affiliates will be an integral part of the promotion of GTW across other GTA sites, when I have the time to push it ([http://www.thegtaplace.com/affiliates/ like this]). It's just one of many things I've prepared but not started to use yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:35, 9 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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I have an idea for Grand Theft Wiki gaining affiliates. We can just affiliate ourselves with all of The GTA Place's affiliates. Once we have affiliated ourselves with The GTA Place's affiliates, we can become affiliates with the affiliates' affiliates. That way, all of the users of the Grand Theft Auto sites we have affiliated ourselves with will find out about Grand Theft Wiki and use this site instead of the site at Wikia. Also, that will popularise this site and hopefully bring it higher up the Google search results.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 08:48, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's not an idea, that's how affiliate systems work :p I just haven't had time to do that yet. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 11 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Diffrence between <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{expand}}</nowiki>. ==<br />
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While I was adding to a few neglected pages, I was adding a the expand note on the top. Is there diffrent situations I should use each in? So do I use {{template|expand}} on a short artice and {{template|stub}} on a page that needs more explaining? Sorry to trouble you, but i'm still trying to learn the basics. :) --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:14, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's a good question. Both template have quite specific intended uses, but are misused a lot on this wiki:<br />
:*{{template|stub}} is used to mark articles that have only ''just'' been started and only have a couple of lines of text on. This should NOT be used where the article is big but needs more content.<br />
:**For example [[Pecker's Feed & Seed]], [[Pizza]] and [[Securos De Auto]] are stubs. <br />
:**[[Chilli Dogs]] is ''not'' a stub, because it has quite a bit of text on it, seems to have all the relevant information, and it can't really be expanded.<br />
:*{{template|expand}} is used to mark more important articles that are in real need of expansion. This should ONLY be used where you know there is a lot of missing content that should be on that page.<br />
:**[[Turismo (race)]] should be marked with {{template|expand}} because there is quite a lot of content that could be added - such as race maps, screenshots, videos, walkthroughs, glitches/cheats, trivia etc.<br />
:**[[Learning to Fly]] should ''not'' be marked with {{template|expand}}, because it's got most of the content expected.<br />
:As for breaking my talk page, you can use the <nowiki><nowiki>code</nowiki></nowiki> tags to make any <nowiki>{{template code}}</nowiki> not work. I fixed the page for you straight away, but then you edited over it and broke it again. Did you not get an "edit conflict" warning showing you that I'd edited the page since you? No harm done, but always remember to preview! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:42, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay, thanks. By the way, after you edited the page it looked great. I left and came back 1 minute later, and it was broke again, and no one edited it, it was strange. I am very sorry for doing that! I need to remember "Preview" before I save. So sorry!--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:12, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery code change ==<br />
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I'm sure you've noticed the galleries look a lot different than they were since our last discussion here nearly a month ago. For some reason the <code>center</code> tags that were supposed to keep the gallery box centered on a page now no longer do as intended and instead inevitably aligned thumbnail captions to the center. And it started happening very shortly after you disabled the "Currently editing" toolbar back in late-September. Has there been a fundamental change on the wiki's gallery coding? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:07, 19 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== User:Thomas90 ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. I don't know if this is against the rules or not, but this guy spammed a talk page in french. He did not use a signature, so I had to look at history. What he wrote on the page is the following (Translate from French to English):<br />
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"Hello; His will tell you to go out in rest with me I am in agreement I kiss you returns me by e-mail; Kind regards" <br />
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I don't get it, do you? Anyways, here is a link to the talk page [[Talk:Jennifun]]. Since he did not contribute anything, I thought it was important for me to report him. I hope I did the right thing.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:13, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well spotted, but if you check the page's history, that message was from June 2010, before Grand Theft Wiki left Wikia. That user doesn't exist on this wiki, and hasn't made any edits since the move, so it's not an issue and there's no action we can really take. The message doesn't contain any links or brand names, so it's not a "useful" spam, so there's no need to remove the message or delete the pages it's on. No harm in reporting it though, I encourage you to do so, so thanks! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:08, 20 October 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Trouble Ahoy ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, it's been a while, I've decided to take a break about the ''you know what'', anyway ShoutWiki is going through construction, do you know any other sites where I can create a Wiki?--[[User:4th hale|'''''4th hale''''']] ([[User talk:4th hale|talk]]) 17:07, 20 October 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:4th_hale&diff=331201User:4th hale2011-09-30T16:38:36Z<p>4th hale: </p>
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<div>Name:Reggie<br />
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Favortie GTA Games: GTA IV, GTA Liberty City.</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=330334User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-27T11:08:19Z<p>4th hale: /* Great News */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
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:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:08, 27 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=330333User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-27T11:07:48Z<p>4th hale: /* Great News */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Dopp/Communicate_Easily_with_Message_Wall#comm-326412 This], many Wikis really don't like idea of Wikia turning into Facebook so some are considering to leave.</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=330307User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-27T01:47:20Z<p>4th hale: /* Great News */ New discussion</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Stuff==<br />
{{reply|A-Dust|Re: stuff}}<br />
When I said that I was the most unpopular member of staff I was talking in regards to the user base as a whole, something I think we can both agree on. I don't know why you'd consider me in charge of the files/images, the majority of my edits for them have been in regards to better organising the wiki, something that still needs sorting (although I'm working on it). As for the edit summaries, earlier today [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] said they take three seconds to type, not particularly accurate in my opinion, but taking that figure I'd have spent 25 hours 37 and a half minutes of my life typing edit summaries, time I'd rather spend editing the wiki or doing something else. A-Dust 20:50, 24 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hosting ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers. Is this Wiki hosted by a wikifarm? Thanks! [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 22:47, 25 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Because I really like this Wiki's look. Does it cost you anything to host this Wiki? [[User:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Segoe Script" size="3" color="Indigo" >Head.Boy.Hog</font>]] [[User talk:Head.Boy.Hog|<font face="Currier" size="2" color="Green">(Talk To Me)</font>]] 12:26, 26 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== A Question ==<br />
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Hi, Gboyers, I have a question: What is the + and - in your contributions? [[User:GTAjaxoxo|GTAjaxoxo]] [[User talk: GTAjaxoxo|(Discuss)]]<br />
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== Great News ==<br />
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Gboyers, I went on Wikia and when Wikia said they're making a change eveyone gotten upset and are thinking they might leave Wikia.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:47, 27 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=329105User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-22T16:39:42Z<p>4th hale: /* McJeff */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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They re-appeared again yesterday, massive thanks for the help. (Again...) :) I have to say I don't know many people who listen to and are active within their community as much as you are, huge, massive and all other appropriate adjectives praise for that, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 20:54, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::At this point I have to suggest that it does not appear to me that 4th hale has any intentions of editing this wiki constructively. Although there are a few minor edits in his early history to article trivia sections, he hasn't done any editing besides user talk pages since the beginning of August. His interactions consisted of celebrating some vandalism that User:Tommy-Vercetti did over on wikia, dealing with the whole Mizu101 situation. And - after having been inactive for two weeks - coming straight out of the blue to try and start more trouble with me. And trying to get Gregallz5 started back up. <br />
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::Before you say it, I agree with you that people should be given a chance to start at a new wiki with a blank slate. And you're free to not care about or even not want to ''hear'' about his history on Wikia. But "trying to instigate a fight between two users and/or block-shopping on a user whom he has prior disagreement with" both sound like things that are against the rules here. Specifically, on [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]], where it says that "hatred campaigns" are specifically not tolerated. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 15:37, 22 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Well Greg basicly isn't my conern, in fact I haven't got a clue what he said on my talk page, I'll admit my behaviour has been disruptive and so to McJeff and Gboyers I apologise. [[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:39, 22 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:4th_hale&diff=329104User:4th hale2011-09-22T16:30:31Z<p>4th hale: Blanking Page</p>
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<div></div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=329024User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-21T18:36:22Z<p>4th hale: /* McJeff */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Do keep this is mind that I don't seek out any trouble '''Gboyers'''!, since he reported my recent activities, I would like for you to know about his behaviour as so right [http://bullyfanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:McJeff/On_trolls_and_socially_maladjusted_dimwits here], that is all.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:36, 21 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gregallz5&diff=329023User talk:Gregallz52011-09-21T18:30:23Z<p>4th hale: /* Still here */ New discussion</p>
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==Welcome==<br />
Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the [[:User:Gregallz5]] page.<br />
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Please leave a message on [[User talk:ZS|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User_talk:ZS|Talk]]) 17:01, November 16, 2009<br />
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== Promotion and "Proud to be English" ==<br />
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See [[Help:Userboxes]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff]] for the answers to your questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:42, July 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: A Favour ==<br />
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{{reply|Chimpso|A Favor}}<br />
I thought I'd help answer the question you left on Chimpso's talk page. We are no longer anything to do with the GTA Wikia - they do whatever they want and we have no control or authority there. Only the [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop administrators] or any [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff Wikia Staff] can unblock you from that site. If their rules mean you have to have evidence for everything, then that's their choice. In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful, so I don't why you would want to be unblocked there. I'd suggest you find a new home (like Grand Theft Wiki). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Please do NOT edit or remove anyone else's comments on a talk page. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, even if it is different to yours. As for what happened on Wikia, it's nothing to do with us here any more. I'm afraid that I won't allow this wiki to be a harbour for personal insults and arguments - we are here to make an awesome GTA encyclopedia. If you have issues with Wikia or the GTA Wiki there, I suggest you take it to Wikia, Wikia staff, Wikia IRC, those users or the Anti-Wikia Alliance. This is not the place for that. Alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anti+Wikia+Alliance Try this]. As for the history between wikis, see [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki ==<br />
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I've responded to your earlier message on your Gregallz5 account on the GTA Wiki, you can reply to it on your GTA Wiki talk page if you wish, you can still edit your talk page whilst blocked. This is a GTA Wiki problem so I'd rather it be discussed there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 01:42, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry but you've had enough chances, just stick to editing this wiki now. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 11:53, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I'm not going to regret this, I can't just unblock you without a valid reason and you have no respect for staff and your still showing this lack of respect with the messages your leaving me, you got blocked for your language and the way you were talking to staff, you then created a new account which seemed to have the sole purpose of insulting Staff members, your block was then extended and you were warned not to create another account which you did almost immediately, you again insulted Staff members and asked me to block them just to get them back, I don't know what gave you the impression that I would be willing to do that but I never would, I can't actually block Jeff as we are both Bureaucrats and Bureaucrats can't block one another. Anyway, Dan then blocked you forever because of our continuous rule breaking. I can't see how you think thats unfair. If you wish to continue this conversation then please do so on gta.wikia.com, you can still edit your talk page so if you wish we can continue this conversation there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:02, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Can we just talk on your GTA Wiki account talk page? If you want to continue this conversation then do so on your talk page, I have left you a message on there, leave your response under it. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 16:11, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== In Reply ==<br />
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The Anti-Wikia Alliance, are a bunch of former Wikia users that hated Wikia for chaning the previous skin ''Monaco'' into the new ''Oasis''. <font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:18, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Also I wouldn't bother trying to go back to the GTA Wikia, the b'crats and admins there have this "shut up cos you're wrong" attitude where they think they know everything.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:20, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::To get the time and date, click the Signature button.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 10:28, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Sign your comments using {{sign}} [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 11:19, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Dude, as I've said, please don't use this wiki for personal arguments. This isn't the place. Please don't swear at other users, no matter how much you hate them. This wiki is about GTA, please just stick to that. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:52, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I will not "tell" The Tom anything. Your dispute about access to that site is nothing to do with this site, and I've asked you not to use this site to argue about being banned on the other. Perhaps you do share an IP with that user, but if there is a suspicion that that account is a sockpuppet, is being used to defend you in arguments, or otherwise is not a real user, then of course action may be taken. If they are a legitimate user of Grand Theft Wiki, who wants to edit the wiki and stay out of trouble, that is great. I'm asking you now to stay away from The Tom's userpage, to not argue about the other wiki, and to just be a regular user. Can you do that? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:35, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I also told you not to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThe_Tom&action=historysubmit&diff=325983&oldid=325980 swear]. I don't have a problem with you, but I can't let you go around swearing at other users, no matter how much you hate them. What The Tom means that even if you are blocked on Wikia, you can still edit your OWN talk page there. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:05, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Warning ==<br />
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I have told you several times to STOP swearing, yet you have continued. I have told you several times to STOP bitching about Wikia on here. I have told you several times to STOP yelling at other users, even if you hate them. You have completely ignored this, so how do I get you to stop? I have no choice but to take action, so I am blocking you from this site for 1 day. <br />
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Please listen to what I am saying: whatever happened at the other site is none of my concern, and you have a chance for a completely fresh start here. You have the chance to be a normal user, with no blocks, no arguments with the staff, no history. At the moment you are wasting that chance by not sticking to our [[rules]]. Even with a fresh start, I have to take action to protect this wiki from people who disobey the rules. <br />
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As for Wikia, as The Tom has said several times, you should still be able to edit your own talk page. You can reply to him on that page. You do not ''need'' to find ''his'' talk page to reply on. You can just reply on your own page, and he can still see it. <br />
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Please come back when you're ready to edit this wiki, not swear, not discuss Wikia, and not insult other users. Deal? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:08, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Picture ==<br />
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To upload a picture on your profile like I got of Lance Vance and how to make it like a character's page, you have to follow these instructions. Use a wiki-style userpage (there is a link at the top of your current userpage for this purpose) and then obtain a character infobox from one of Grand Theft Wiki's character articles. Obtain an image of either yourself or a character (if your username is named after a charcter, like mine) and put the image into the picture section of the character infobox. (PS: copy and paste the infobox character code that has been provided by me onto your wiki userpage and then add whatever information you desire onto the templates provided). The completed infobox should look like this:<br />
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{{infobox user<br />
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|name = MrLanceVanceDance<br />
|image = LanceVance-GTAVC.jpg<br />
|size = 200px<br />
|caption = Lance Vance, the basis of MrLanceVanceDance's username. <br />
|games = [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City]]<br />
|gender = M<br />
|dob = unknown<br />
|pob = unknown location, Australia<br />
|home = Unknown location, Australia<br />
|nationality = Australian<br />
|affiliations = <small>[[Grand Theft Wiki]]<br />
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}}--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 04:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Still here ==<br />
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Hey dude, are you still going on this site?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 19:30, 21 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=328957User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-21T01:53:31Z<p>4th hale: /* McJeff */ New discussion</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit Request ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers,I have noticed that some of the pages (like the Move from Wikia page) have errors or need to be updated, but I cannot edit it. I was wondering if you can please give the inspectors the right to edit all pages on this wiki, except for pages limited to managers and/or executive managers only. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:52, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== New Users ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, I have got a suggestion for you regarding the new users of Grand Theft Wiki. Every time a new user account is created, include the box containing the rules of Grand Theft Wiki on the welcome template that you put on every new user's talk page. That way, you can inform them of the rules before they break them. Thoughts?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:59, 7 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE: Blocking ==<br />
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I think the blocking system is fine the way it is. I asked that question because I didn't want Grand Theft Wiki to be a harsh wiki at blocking, like what Wikia's GTA Wiki has become. My suggestion is that we should use a three-strike policy against spammers and vandals. So that way, the vandals/spammers have a chance to redeem themselves and actually help our cause, rather than go against us. That will then give us a forgiving and accepting reputation. Also, another thing, are the spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 13:47, 14 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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No, I think Grand Theft WIki's blocking policy is fine the way it is and I agree with what you have said. However, are the recent spammers, by any chance, from the same IP adress or are they completely different people?--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 06:55, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Edit summaries ==<br />
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Hey, just wondering if you know why the Edit Summaries on the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] page has decided to go missing? I've looked through my preferences but I haven't found anything to make them come back. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:42, 16 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Avatar ==<br />
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Why I can't upload an avatar?<br />
When I try to, I get this error:<br />
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''Warning: Missing argument 1 for SpecialUploadAvatar::loadRequest(), called in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 177 and defined in /home/gtw/public_html/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUploadAvatar.php on line 35<br />
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''Fatal error: Call to a member function getUpload() on a non-object in /home/gtw/public_html/includes/upload/UploadFromFile.php on line 21''<br />
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[[User:TheReaperHoldsOurHearts|TheReaperHoldsOurHearts]] 16:02, 17 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== McJeff ==<br />
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Are you sure we can have him here, he basicly cyber bully anyone.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 02:53, 21 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Original_Light&diff=326731User talk:Original Light2011-09-12T21:10:35Z<p>4th hale: /* Question */ New discussion</p>
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== CT ==<br />
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Cool you live in CT too, nice to meet you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I live in Bridgeport.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::What game consule do you have, PS3 or Xbox 360?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:02, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Geez that sucks, my PS3 account got deleted and now everything I saved and bought is gone now :(, but I still have it.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:05, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I deleted it, because of the PS3 hacked, anyway about my sig, this just basic HTML codes, if you want it copy the codes here and <br />
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go to [[Special:Preferences|your preference]], find the Signature box and paste there, and check the ''Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)''--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Agh stupid me I screw up something, okay do the same thing now.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:28, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Awsome, it's nice :).--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:36, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Agreed, it's alot more better than the normal sig, by the way did you hear about the hurricane that is coming?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:42, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Tell me about, however I'm hoping it does some major damage to Bridgeport, like destroying all of the schools.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:47, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Thankfully for me I might convience my parents into me in home-schooling, really hope Brideport takes so much damage, never liked that city.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:55, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
No, not too much of a fan of the forums,--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:01, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, thanks for the advice.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:12, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Hey==<br />
What's up, anything happened?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:11, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:We lost power twice yesterday, also I'm gonna do home-school.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude are banned from Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="00AAFF">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 22:10, 12 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Tommy-Vercetti&diff=326442User talk:Tommy-Vercetti2011-09-07T11:25:20Z<p>4th hale: /* Question */ New discussion</p>
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<div>== Proof reading ==<br />
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Hey, thanks for your [[Special:Contributions/Tommy-Vercetti|edits]]. You are right, this wiki does need a lot of proof-reading. Anyone can edit here, and some things that were badly-written years ago still exist. This wiki is built entirely by its users, and relies entirely on them to improve it. So just keep fixing the problems you see, and let me know if you have any questions. Keep up the good work! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 03:17, 14 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Red links ==<br />
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{{reply|gboyers|Red links... images}}<br />
Those crazy links are called "interwiki" links, which link to the same page but on a different wiki. It's mostly used so that people can find the same page in a different language (such as on the Spanish GTA Wiki); so obviously on the Spanish wiki the title of that page will be in Spanish. <br />
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For example, if you look [http://gta.wikia.com/Tommy_Vercetti here], at the very very bottom, just under the categories, you can see a little "Languages:" section. If you [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tommy_Vercetti&action=edit&section=9 edit] the bottom of that page, you can see all the interwiki links added (such as <code><nowiki>[[es:Tommy Vercetti]]</nowiki></code>). Instead of showing up on the page as normal blue links, they are transformed into interwiki links in that list.<br />
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Now, the problem is that since we moved away from Wikia, I removed all the interwiki shortcuts that go to Wikia wikis. This means that any interwiki link is not recognised, and it is just treated as a normal link. I haven't yet decided what the best method of action is. At the moment, ignore them, don't bother removing them, we'll figure something out. <br />
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As for images, when we moved from Wikia, we couldn't copy every single image across. Most of them should work, but some of them won't. If you find an image that should be here, find it on Wikia, save the FULL version of it (not the thumbnail or preview version), and upload it here with its original name (make sure it doesnt start with a size like 800px-filename.jpg). Instructions are [[User talk:Alexkl5|here]] and [[User talk:Kanzler31|here]]. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 01:16, 30 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Wikia ==<br />
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{{reply|gboyers|About moving from wikia}}<br />
We have no control over that wiki. Once we moved, Wikia decided to keep a copy and to ban GTW staff from it. There is nothing we can legitimately do with that site. <br />
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The main issue is that everyone is used to going to "gta.wikia.com" instead of "grandtheftwiki.com" - so most people, and most links, end up going to that site. Even though this one is a lot better, people just end up there. We need to do two things:<br />
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#Convince people who go to wikia to come here instead<br />
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If you can help do those, that would be great (: If you want to do things to Wikia, such as add links to GTW, that's your choice; but Wikia will just ban anyone who does it.<br />
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One problem today is that our site was down for a few hours, which meant people couldn't edit. That was just a one-off mistake and won't happen again. Our activity is usually a bit more than this. <br />
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But finally, statistics are not my priority. I want an awesome site that everyone here loves to use and edit. The more people that can enjoy that, the better. It is sad and frustrating to see Wikia stealing all our hard work, though. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 23:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: New Pictures ==<br />
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but I realized that the subtitles aren't the only things in Polish in those images. A lot of the instructions, etc are also in Polish, and they annoy me to the point where I just decided to change them as well. But I agree with you on the others, if there isn't any text I won't be doing anything about them. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 18:58, 20 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== What? ==<br />
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Tommy, what exactly is the point of this discussion on [[User:Tommie-Vercetti]]'s page?<br />
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Hahaha. <br />
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This is the best you can come up with? <br />
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Seriously? Go on, try and troll and see how long it lasts. Haha. I'm saving this, just for hilarity's sake.<br />
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--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 03:37, 7 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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I went to the awful GTA wikia to try and bring more people over here. Of course, the place is full of idiots and I got banned instantly. However, almost immediately thereafter, I saw this little smart ass pop up "Tomie_Vercetti" and it was obviously a troll account by someone who loves the wikia here. Looks like they chickened out almost immediately since they haven't done anything, but I let them know, it was a stupid "ploy".--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 17:54, 7 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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No problem, I really hate Wikia, not just the skin but the Staff and the false GTA Wikia.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:44, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I planning a trick on them, really don't like them.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:54, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::How did you get banned? oh wait let me guess the "new" admins block you did they.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:03, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Which one?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:09, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::[http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977757191 I found a pic] of the two new b'crats at that Wikia.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:20, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Well, one b'crat is basicly running things correctly, the other two are just making that site worsed and the admins act like they have no experience what's so ever.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:27, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::[http://japaneserecipes.wikia.com/wiki/User:Angela Check this out].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:36, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::I created a account and wrote her a "nice love message", some vandal came in and uploaded that pic, really don't like her.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 02:47, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Hey, are you globally blocked on Wikia or just blocked on the GTA Wikia?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:11, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hey dude, are you blocked on all of Wikia, or just blocked on the GTA Wikia?--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 12:25, 7 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:4th_hale&diff=326349User:4th hale2011-09-05T17:00:48Z<p>4th hale: </p>
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{{userinfo|4th hale}}</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:4th_hale&diff=326348User talk:4th hale2011-09-05T16:59:35Z<p>4th hale: /* Duplicate Accounts */</p>
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== Reply ==<br />
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Hi, sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I can't delete your username, as it's important for us to keep track of who made every edit. The best I can do is disable your account to stop any further edits being made, but that seems a little extreme. With regards to how I made this site, how much detail do you want? This is just a MediaWiki installation running on a web server we own. Are you asking about this specific website, or are you trying to set up a wiki yourself? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 22:32, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:A "wiki" and a "wikia" are different things. A wiki is a type of website, like this one. Wikia is just one company that allows you to make/run wiki sites with a few clicks, but they don't let you have full control and they cover your site in adverts. This wiki used to be at Wikia, but we moved away, and now we run ourselves on our own server, which we pay for. If you want a simple, free service, check out [[wp:Comparison of wiki farms|Comparison of wiki farms]], and maybe try [http://www.shoutwiki.com ShoutWiki] - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:51, 24 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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We chose to leave Wikia for a wide range of reasons. Don't forget that I founded GTW ''before'' we moved TO Wikia. However, when we left, Wikia chose to keep a copy running, and refused to allow us to delete the site. We tried a few options, including changing the focus of that site to allow them to co-exist, but Wikia then banned me and demoted all GTW's staff. So now gta.wikia is a false copy of this site, with staff chosen by Wikia, where the founder (me) is banned. I'm still glad we left. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:03, 25 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Senior Editor" tag ==<br />
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Hi 4th hale. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you using that "senior editor" box on your user page. Whilst I have no doubt you're very experienced, it implies that you have some sort of authority or seniority over other users. Even staff are just normal editors, and not necessarily any more right or knowledgeable than any other user. I'd prefer it if you just made a factual statement, like saying you are an experienced wiki editor and you've edited on XYZ wikis for X years. That alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:21, 29 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah that's fine now (although it should be "an editor" not "a editor"). Feel free to [[Community:Links|link to us]], use one of our [[Community:Signatures|Signatures]] or just spread the word! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 30 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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I've removed your preference of skin, so you should be back at the default now. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:27, 1 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Dick ==<br />
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I hate to do this, but the answer seems to be [http://gta.wikia.com/Talk:Love_Fist here]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:04, 2 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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GTW uses the Vector skin that is the default for newer versions of MediaWiki. We just have some edited CSS to add the background, not much else. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Yup! ==<br />
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Thats cool, I live in windsor area. What town are you in?<br />
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:Well, nice to meet you. Bye. I never knew someone was in CT just like me on GTW. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I have a Xbox 360. I used to have a PS3 but it broke the day I got it. :( --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::How did it get deleted? Hacked? BTW how did you make you signature like that? It's cool. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:07, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Thanks. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:22, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Cool! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:26, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Thanks! How about now? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:31, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Thanks again, it much better than that bland signature I had before! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:39, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Yes I have, hopefully it dosent get to bad. The main thing im worried about is loosing power, no AC, no Fan, and most importantly, NO VIDEO GAMES! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:45, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Im going back to High School on Tuesday, im hoping it destroys it so I don't have to go! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
Do you have a profile on GTA Forums? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well check out the GTA V section if your into anything GTA 5 related.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::No prob. See ya. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:15, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Username & Bitmaps ==<br />
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We do not allow .bmp (bitmap) images, as they are a very bad and inefficient file format, and they do not resize well (for thumbnails etc). Please convert any BMP/GIF images to PNG/JPG/SVG. <br />
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Username changes are usually only granted to users who have unacceptable usernames (and we require them to change it), or for users that want to bring their usernames in-line with ones on other sites (wikipedia, wikia, gtaforums, thegtaplace etc). I'm happy to change your username once, and only once. We have to make sure that people can find contributors, even from old lists/links, and we have to make sure everything is consistent. So if you are completely sure you want your username changing forever, let me know. Make sure you give me the correct spelling and capitalisation too. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:18, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I assume you mean that you are using Paint to save screenshots? When you "Save As" your image, you can choose the type at the bottom. See [http://labviewwiki.org/images/3/36/Paint_File_Formats.PNG this]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Has anything happened? ==<br />
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Nope, not where my block is, we didn't even loose power. How bout' you? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:34, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Haha ==<br />
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Thanks, man.<br />
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I never knew about the "hate wikia" userbox until I checked out your profile. Thanks. I took the liberty of adding one myself. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, trust me. I hate the GTA staff far more than any layout. But I try to avoid any wikia I can at the moment, ESPECIALLY the GTA one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:48, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I'm banned there due to my last idea, so I can't help. Good luck with that though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:01, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Haha. I spammed links to here and vandalized the pages, insulting the first (there's more than one, which is extremely sad) [bad] admin that I found. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:07, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I'm glad I can't recall, but I do remember that it was the one who just "LOVED 'HARUHI' MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF" That one. Not like you can tell him apart from any of the others though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::With how tireless everyone here is working, it's only a matter of time before our site far surpasses them. Look at the idiots they have running it; I'm honestly amazed it lasted as long as it did already. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:23, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Ha. Who did that? Was it you?--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:54, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "This user Hates Wikia" User box. ==<br />
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I want one! Please show me how?<br />
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:First off, sign all your posts. Click the signature button at the top screen.<br />
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:Just cancel out the space between the : and there you go. Save, and that's the one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 20:06, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, thanks. Sorry about not signing, bad habbit. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Server cost ==<br />
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The total cost is a couple of hundred pounds per month, but that's between Grand Theft Wiki, The GTA Place and a couple of other sites.<br />
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== Duplicate Accounts ==<br />
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I have blocked your two duplicate accounts: [[User:Quiet Man]] and [[User:4th hale]]. Users are not permitted to operate duplicate accounts on this wiki without permission. Please familiarise yourself with the [[Rules]] of Grand Theft Wiki, and explain your reasoning for registering multiple accounts. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:01, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah I forgot about that - that explains why they had no contributions. Oh well, I'll keep them blocked. No worries! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Please see [[User talk:gboyers]] for the outcome of the Mizu101 username discussion. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:39, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Use the same password you use for Mizu101 on Grand Theft Mods. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:34, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks.--[[user:4th hale|'''''<font face="papyrus">4th hale</font>''''']] (<font face="papyrus" color="007BA7">[[user talk:4th hale|talk]]</font>) 17:59, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Question==<br />
Out of all the places I've been to Japan is my favourite. The people are fantastic there, as I've found the people in Asia in general are, and they know how to do everyhing. I could talk all day and night about the great things in Japan, from the availability of vending machines/convenience stores and the noise from the traffic lights to the fact that everywhere is clean. I'd always recommend going to Japan. I'd also recommend travelling with [http://www.insidejapantours.com/ Inside Japan Tours]. Their website also has a lot of information about many locations in Japan. A-Dust 23:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Comment==<br />
Yeah I've noticed that and I had edited and contributed since they had opened and did PR for them, talk 'bout not being loyal ain't they ever heard of the saying "Don't shit on your own doorstep?" One of them reckons I don't know Grand Theft Auto, when I started a craze of it in Year 4 in 2002 in my class, everyone came 'round my house and it weren't just 'cause I got the new Nelly CD or the newest Expansion Pack to The Sims! It was for my copy of Grand Theft Auto 3. I even got people to join their site, they ain't looking too clever now when I've told my mates to leave it as the moderators are crooked as anything.<br />
I like this website the most, people are friendly and helpful, also how do I get the date and time on my comments? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Where's the signature button?[[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=4th_hale&diff=3263474th hale2011-09-05T16:33:14Z<p>4th hale: import user wiki</p>
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{{userinfo|Mizu101}}</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:4th_hale&diff=326346User talk:4th hale2011-09-05T16:31:59Z<p>4th hale: </p>
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== Reply ==<br />
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Hi, sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I can't delete your username, as it's important for us to keep track of who made every edit. The best I can do is disable your account to stop any further edits being made, but that seems a little extreme. With regards to how I made this site, how much detail do you want? This is just a MediaWiki installation running on a web server we own. Are you asking about this specific website, or are you trying to set up a wiki yourself? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 22:32, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:A "wiki" and a "wikia" are different things. A wiki is a type of website, like this one. Wikia is just one company that allows you to make/run wiki sites with a few clicks, but they don't let you have full control and they cover your site in adverts. This wiki used to be at Wikia, but we moved away, and now we run ourselves on our own server, which we pay for. If you want a simple, free service, check out [[wp:Comparison of wiki farms|Comparison of wiki farms]], and maybe try [http://www.shoutwiki.com ShoutWiki] - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:51, 24 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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We chose to leave Wikia for a wide range of reasons. Don't forget that I founded GTW ''before'' we moved TO Wikia. However, when we left, Wikia chose to keep a copy running, and refused to allow us to delete the site. We tried a few options, including changing the focus of that site to allow them to co-exist, but Wikia then banned me and demoted all GTW's staff. So now gta.wikia is a false copy of this site, with staff chosen by Wikia, where the founder (me) is banned. I'm still glad we left. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:03, 25 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Senior Editor" tag ==<br />
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Hi 4th hale. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you using that "senior editor" box on your user page. Whilst I have no doubt you're very experienced, it implies that you have some sort of authority or seniority over other users. Even staff are just normal editors, and not necessarily any more right or knowledgeable than any other user. I'd prefer it if you just made a factual statement, like saying you are an experienced wiki editor and you've edited on XYZ wikis for X years. That alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:21, 29 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah that's fine now (although it should be "an editor" not "a editor"). Feel free to [[Community:Links|link to us]], use one of our [[Community:Signatures|Signatures]] or just spread the word! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 30 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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I've removed your preference of skin, so you should be back at the default now. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:27, 1 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Dick ==<br />
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I hate to do this, but the answer seems to be [http://gta.wikia.com/Talk:Love_Fist here]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:04, 2 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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GTW uses the Vector skin that is the default for newer versions of MediaWiki. We just have some edited CSS to add the background, not much else. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Yup! ==<br />
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Thats cool, I live in windsor area. What town are you in?<br />
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:Well, nice to meet you. Bye. I never knew someone was in CT just like me on GTW. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I have a Xbox 360. I used to have a PS3 but it broke the day I got it. :( --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::How did it get deleted? Hacked? BTW how did you make you signature like that? It's cool. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:07, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Thanks. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:22, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Cool! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:26, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Thanks! How about now? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:31, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Thanks again, it much better than that bland signature I had before! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:39, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Yes I have, hopefully it dosent get to bad. The main thing im worried about is loosing power, no AC, no Fan, and most importantly, NO VIDEO GAMES! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:45, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Im going back to High School on Tuesday, im hoping it destroys it so I don't have to go! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
Do you have a profile on GTA Forums? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well check out the GTA V section if your into anything GTA 5 related.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::No prob. See ya. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:15, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Username & Bitmaps ==<br />
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We do not allow .bmp (bitmap) images, as they are a very bad and inefficient file format, and they do not resize well (for thumbnails etc). Please convert any BMP/GIF images to PNG/JPG/SVG. <br />
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Username changes are usually only granted to users who have unacceptable usernames (and we require them to change it), or for users that want to bring their usernames in-line with ones on other sites (wikipedia, wikia, gtaforums, thegtaplace etc). I'm happy to change your username once, and only once. We have to make sure that people can find contributors, even from old lists/links, and we have to make sure everything is consistent. So if you are completely sure you want your username changing forever, let me know. Make sure you give me the correct spelling and capitalisation too. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:18, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I assume you mean that you are using Paint to save screenshots? When you "Save As" your image, you can choose the type at the bottom. See [http://labviewwiki.org/images/3/36/Paint_File_Formats.PNG this]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Has anything happened? ==<br />
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Nope, not where my block is, we didn't even loose power. How bout' you? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:34, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Haha ==<br />
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Thanks, man.<br />
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I never knew about the "hate wikia" userbox until I checked out your profile. Thanks. I took the liberty of adding one myself. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, trust me. I hate the GTA staff far more than any layout. But I try to avoid any wikia I can at the moment, ESPECIALLY the GTA one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:48, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I'm banned there due to my last idea, so I can't help. Good luck with that though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:01, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Haha. I spammed links to here and vandalized the pages, insulting the first (there's more than one, which is extremely sad) [bad] admin that I found. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:07, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I'm glad I can't recall, but I do remember that it was the one who just "LOVED 'HARUHI' MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF" That one. Not like you can tell him apart from any of the others though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::With how tireless everyone here is working, it's only a matter of time before our site far surpasses them. Look at the idiots they have running it; I'm honestly amazed it lasted as long as it did already. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:23, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Ha. Who did that? Was it you?--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:54, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "This user Hates Wikia" User box. ==<br />
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I want one! Please show me how?<br />
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:First off, sign all your posts. Click the signature button at the top screen.<br />
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:To get the userbox, edit your profile and type in:<br />
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:Just cancel out the space between the : and there you go. Save, and that's the one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 20:06, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, thanks. Sorry about not signing, bad habbit. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Server cost ==<br />
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The total cost is a couple of hundred pounds per month, but that's between Grand Theft Wiki, The GTA Place and a couple of other sites.<br />
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== Duplicate Accounts ==<br />
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I have blocked your two duplicate accounts: [[User:Quiet Man]] and [[User:4th hale]]. Users are not permitted to operate duplicate accounts on this wiki without permission. Please familiarise yourself with the [[Rules]] of Grand Theft Wiki, and explain your reasoning for registering multiple accounts. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:01, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah I forgot about that - that explains why they had no contributions. Oh well, I'll keep them blocked. No worries! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Please see [[User talk:gboyers]] for the outcome of the Mizu101 username discussion. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:39, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Use the same password you use for Mizu101 on Grand Theft Mods. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:34, 5 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Question==<br />
Out of all the places I've been to Japan is my favourite. The people are fantastic there, as I've found the people in Asia in general are, and they know how to do everyhing. I could talk all day and night about the great things in Japan, from the availability of vending machines/convenience stores and the noise from the traffic lights to the fact that everywhere is clean. I'd always recommend going to Japan. I'd also recommend travelling with [http://www.insidejapantours.com/ Inside Japan Tours]. Their website also has a lot of information about many locations in Japan. A-Dust 23:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Comment==<br />
Yeah I've noticed that and I had edited and contributed since they had opened and did PR for them, talk 'bout not being loyal ain't they ever heard of the saying "Don't shit on your own doorstep?" One of them reckons I don't know Grand Theft Auto, when I started a craze of it in Year 4 in 2002 in my class, everyone came 'round my house and it weren't just 'cause I got the new Nelly CD or the newest Expansion Pack to The Sims! It was for my copy of Grand Theft Auto 3. I even got people to join their site, they ain't looking too clever now when I've told my mates to leave it as the moderators are crooked as anything.<br />
I like this website the most, people are friendly and helpful, also how do I get the date and time on my comments? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Where's the signature button?[[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326318User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-05T03:10:27Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [[User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326317User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-05T03:10:01Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
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:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Okay guys, let's roll it back. The "real" Mizu101 (from Wikia) has never edited on GTW or GTAWiki, either before or after the move/split. This means that no contributions have been wrongly assigned to the "fake" Mizu101, who only registered here in July. Even though the "real" Mizu101 feels that they should be able to use their username on any wiki site, has has shown no intention to edit either GTW/GTAWiki, and as far as I am concerned, there has been no user impersonation. <br />
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*For the "fake" Mizu101 ([[User:Mizu101|registered on GTW]], with various accounts on Wikia), yes I'm happy to change your username here, but I will only do this once. I have already warned you that you are not permitted to use any multiple accounts, so I hope never to see any. Of course any imersonation of other users is very serious, but I see no evidence of it on ''this'' site. (What happens on Wikia is nothing to do with us). That said, we do always have the right to remove you if we feel necessary, but I believe we are much fairer than at Wikia (not lenient, but fair). What would you like your account renaming to?<br />
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*For the "real" Mizu101 ([[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|registered on Wikia]], but here is [[User:RealMizu101]]), I understand your position, but you've never edited on this wiki or the GTA Wiki, so although you possess the account on Wikia, you have no claim to it or any of the edits made by it here. The "fake" Mizu101 has agreed to change his username, so hopefully there will be no issues of 'impersonation' or 'copying' either. You're welcome to edit here, but I'd prefer it if ''nobody'' used the Mizu101 username, to avoid any confusion. I am not prepared to rename your account to Mizu101, as all of the edits made on this site under the Mizu101 name were made by the "fake" Mizu101, not you; and that would just make ''more'' confusion. <br />
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*Jeff - thanks for the heads-up, but just to point out that this site is not a subsidiary of Wikia, and users on Wikia are not automatically entitled to the same username here. The only exception is where they made edits before the split, which were then imported into GTW under their username, and it's important that those edits as shown as theirs (not an imposters). That does not apply in this situation as Mizu101 [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Mizu101&namespace=&year=2011&month=-1 never made any edits].<br />
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If you have any questions, let me know, but this is NOT the place to discuss the Wikia site, usernames on Wikia, blocks on Wikia or actions by their staff. This is a place to write about GTA games, and anyone who is here solely to disrupt, isn't welcome. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:20, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I will not waste any more of your time then. I have no intention of editing here. I don't care if my username is changed, but I would prefer Mizu101 to not be used at all. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 19:03, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Can you merge this account with my other one [User:4th hale]], knowing you have [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Staff the rights].--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:10, 5 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326292User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-04T17:04:23Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.<br />
:::::::::4. I know you don't care on those other Mizu's on twitter and Youtube, however nobody owns a username--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326291User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-04T17:02:07Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::That doesn't make my message irrelevant. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 17:27, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Using Mizu's username may not necessarily be impersonation, but copying his avatar, signature, and even the "senior editor" banner he first posted on Bully Wiki a few years ago [http://bully.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Mizu101&oldid=30401] is extremely bizarre. Of course, just about everything that 4th Hale has done over the last 2 years has been rather bizarre. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 17:45, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::1. He doesn't own that avatar, anyone can have it.<br />
:::::::::2. My sig is by far more different, in fact a user in Wikia had a similar [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nobody_Cares#Per_this... situtation].<br />
:::::::::3. Yes everything I've done is bizzare.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:02, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326284User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-04T15:56:59Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::You need to learn to read other people's messages before posting your own. I said "I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites..." Yeah, there is a Twitter account Mizu101 and a YouTube account Mizu101, neither which are me, but they are not wiki-based websites. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 16:11, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::My last message was to McJeff.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 16:56, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326280User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-04T14:55:45Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hello. I am Mizu101 from Wikia. As in, [[w:c:answers:User:Mizu101|this]] one. Jeff contacted me on Wikia about this, as he has said. This 4th Hale (I'd prefer not to call him Mizu101) is a person who previously contacted a Wikia staff member in order to get my account on Wikia. After he was able to do this, he began changing a lot of things. When I contacted the same Wikia staff member, he apologized and said he made a big mistake and he gave me my account back after about 3 days. 4th Hale later admitted via e-mail that he had hacked my account. I later told the sysop at [[w:c:bullyfanon:Bully Fanon Wiki|Bully Fanon Wiki]] about this. 4th Hale was globally blocked from Wikia for approximately a month, then somehow got unblocked (I don't know how).<br />
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::Anyway, in our e-mail conversation, he said he really liked the username Mizu101. I just noticed yesterday that he had been using the username here and [[wikipedia:User:Mizu101|Wikipedia]]. I do have a problem with this. I do not care if he uses Mizu101 on other types of websites, but on wiki-based websites (such as this), people assume that a Mizu101 here is the same person as a Mizu101 on Wikia. And I would not like my reputation to be affected by 4th Hale. [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:33, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Also, based on [[User:Mizu101|this]], I don't hate Wikia, I am not an Athiest, I am not 16, I don't own a PS3, I don't use Internet Explorer, my favorite game is not Bully (though I do like it), and if he does actually follow the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Rules|Grand Theft Wiki Rules]], he would not have missed number 5 which says "No sock-puppetry or user impersonation". [[User:RealMizu101|RealMizu101]] 14:44, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::And there's another person [http://twitter.com/#!/mizu101 with the same username] for goodness sake I am not impersonating anyone. as I said before since someone had just started this trouble and I am willing to have my username change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 15:55, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:4th_hale&diff=326240User:4th hale2011-09-04T10:44:52Z<p>4th hale: </p>
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{{userinfo|Mizu101}}</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:McJeff&diff=326236User talk:McJeff2011-09-04T08:27:57Z<p>4th hale: /* Re: Mizu101 */</p>
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== Re: Hi ==<br />
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Hi McJeff, thanks for introducing yourself. I'll happily open a dialogue and respond to your points. I absolutely don't mean to come across as rude, but as you can imagine I do have strong feelings on some of these subjects.<br />
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I didn't say all the staff and all the rules at GTA Wikia (I'll call it that for the sake of clarity) were awful, but those I've had experience with have been inexperienced, unsympathetic, and somewhat arrogant. I particularly refer to WikisEditor, but also those staff that supported him even though he had been blatantly copying content despite being told by Wikia to stop, and even supporting him after he had been demoted. I cannot believe that any decent wiki administrator would say that he should still be treated as staff even though he had his rights forced off him by Wikia because of his gross misconduct. I'm sure you can see that this smacks of staff thinking they're better than everyone else.<br />
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The policy "Competence is Required" is purely draconian. How dare your staff suggest that inexperienced users have any less right to edit than some mediawiki whizz-kid. Although it's on Wikipedia, it is NOT policy there - simply an essay by someone suggesting one way they think things could be done. <br />
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I'm a little confused that you say we don't have users over here "hu rite lyk dis", because I did run the GTA Wikia for years and we had all manner of people. However our policy was to help them grow, show them how to do it right, manage expectations and correct anything that was done. If people add useful content, it can always be fixed up by other users. If people add irrelevant and useless content, it will be removed anyway. If a user repeatedly adds useless content, then they'll be dealt with for that reason, not because of their bad spelling. <br />
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What goes on over at the GTA Wikia is none of my business, but it really breaks my heart to see the site I created, and spent five years building up from nothing, being twisted into an elitist society run by staff who think they are better than the users they're supposed to be helping out.<br />
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As for Gregallz5 - I'm not supporting or defending him or anything like that. Like I said, what goes on at GTA Wikia is nothing to do with me. He clearly doesn't like you guys (for whatever reason) and he's blocked over there (for whatever reason). You can block/ban who you like for whatever reason you want, whether it's bad spelling or nazi propaganda. But he's not banned from this site, so he's fine to edit here, that is ''all'' that my opinion on the matter was. However, he has since used his account here to argue and swear at The Tom, which is something that I'm not prepared to allow on this wiki, so he has been blocked for 1 day because of that. I'm also keeping an eye on the multiple accounts. I'll deal with him for any problems he causes here, but what you do to him has no bearing on what happens here. I hope you don't think that I'm trying to get him unblocked from your site or anything.<br />
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The main reason that people here don't like the staff at the GTA Wikia is because you are going against the community. The entire community agreed by consensus to move here. Any site can move host, it happens all the time. Wikia were entitled to run a copy (before the licencing breaches), but because we had been using the gta.wikia.com domain, most of the traffic still goes to that copy instead of the real site which moved. Your site only exists because Wikia kept the site running after we left, banned half the staff, demoted the rest. <br />
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The site moved, that is a fact. The community moved, that is a fact. The people who BUILT the wiki are all over here. The traffic only goes to the old location because Wikia won't redirect it. Why do you support that copy of the site? The excuse that you're stopping it from being damaged is lame - it's more likely that at least some of the staff just wanted the authority and power of a position, or that they wanted to take over the more active site rather than support the community that built it.<br />
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I don't know if you can understand what it's like seeing something you spent years building and years making popular ripped apart and taken over by other people? The 4 bureaucrats at GTA Wikia have 5469 edits in TOTAL between them. Here, A-Dust has 28,000 just himself; ZS has 27,000; and I have 25,000 between me and my bot. Of course, most of these edits were made over at Wikia, so the site you are running is built on our hard work.<br />
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Our issue is that you still support that site, against the consensus of the community, against all the people who built it. I'm sure most of your staff members would make good staff members here, and your editors would ALL be welcome here (even the screw-ups). Why can't we finish the job, leave Wikia, and all contribute together again? That's all I want. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:54, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can't help but comment on the recent happenings at the GTA Wikia. Dealing with questionable offences by staff members the way you did undermines confidence in the whole system and completely precludes their ability to lead other users. Bunny showed a very reasonable attitude, but you went straight to a very public vote, without even warning or discussing it. You should know that no rule is perfect, and there are ''always'' ifs and buts and exceptions; and you always have to think about the wider implications of your actions, not just blocking people indiscriminately - even staff - for minor disagreements. I am really, truly horrified at the way the GTA Wikia is being run. <br />
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:I also refer you to [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=McJeff&page=User:Spaceeinstein&year=2011&month=9 this comment] where you state that you demoted Spaceeinstein as per a community vote. It's clear that you find the community votes on the community noticeboard binding. Then you must believe that the [[Community talk:Hub/Oasis|vote to leave Wikia]] was also binding. The whole community got a chance to vote, and there was a HUGE majority in favour of leaving, so the wiki moved here. Since this community vote is binding, then you must understand that the community has moved here, and should not still be maintained at Wikia? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:31, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hi, sorry to interrupt, but I've been watching the situation with Greg since he first came here earlier this week. I would just like to add that while I myself have been known to heavily promote this wiki as the legitimate wiki (which I believe it is), I don't actually have a problem with GTA Wikia as a website. I strongly disagree with Wikia staff and their actions over the past year (and a bit more?), but I don't have any problem with the other site, and the community that decided to stay behind.<br />
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::However, what I ''do'' have a problem with is that no one gets to ''decide'' anymore - All evidence of the move and of Grand Theft Wiki's history has been erased, and so most of the community doesn't know about this wiki. I believe that the community discussion should have been retained, and that leaving users should be allowed to mention it on their userpage. One huge reason for this is because it's not uncommon for users to take long wiki breaks. When they come back (perhaps a [[GTA 5|new GTA game]] would give them more interest in the wiki again?), they will return to <tt>gta.wikia.com</tt>, not knowing that the community that they were a part of has moved on. They then may look for the staff and other users who they are familiar with, only to find that our userpages have been deleted, and that we seemingly don't exist. I don't think that this is fair to those users, and it is the interest of the community that I care about, rather than just trying to make the version that I'm a part of sound "cooler". '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 07:30, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I can restore the discussion about why the community moved off of Wikia, that was deleted by WikisEditor with no reason given. I'm also not opposed to posting a page like your [[Grand Theft Wiki:Move from Wikia]] (it would probably be located at a page like GTA Wiki:Community Split). Users should feel free to contribute to either or both of the wikis. However, I don't know what sort of content it would have - even when the community at large decided to leave wikia there were dissenting opinions, and some people simply don't agree that the ads are really something to be offended about, or that the Oasis skin is horrible, and some feel that the site left behind ought to be maintained. And I don't see any benefit in addressing let alone trying to debate the claim that GTAWikia is literally illegal - I'm not trained in law, my arguments would be rather uninformed. If the legal case I've seen GBoyers mention he's working on does actually happen and the Wikia-hosted site is found to be illegal in a court of law, that bridge can be crossed when we come to it, as they say - either I'll switch over to this site or ensure that the Wikia site follows the law and the findings of the case to the letter, or both. While I disagree with this community in regards to some of the individual points made about the move, I do agree that users should be allowed to decide for themselves whether to edit this wiki, the Wikia version, or both. (I will, however, continue to revision-delete spam like what MrLanceVanceDance did last night while I was asleep). [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 18:21, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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It would be good to restore that discussion and maintain transparency as to what happened, even if we disagree on what ''should'' have happened. I'm happy to help with that (but I can only edit on this wiki, of course). I agree entirely that users should be able to decide which wiki to contribute to (if not both). The problem at the moemnt is that, because we used gta.wikia.com first, all our traffic still goes there, ends up on your copy, and people are not being told that the people who built that wiki have moved over here.<br />
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You're right that the decision wasn't unanimous, but notice that almost everyone said that they would move with us if we went ahead. Most of the people who said "no" thought that the site would close down completely, rather than move.<br />
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There were many reasons for moving, not just the skin. The adverts were becoming more and more intrusive, even coming into the content area. You might not have noticed that not-logged-in users on their first visit get a FULL-PAGE advert. Also Wikia consulted with the community over the new skin (including me), and completely ignored all our feedback. The new system limits the control admins/founders have even more than normal, and now you're not even allowed to modify the design apart from a couple of colours and a background image.<br />
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The legal dispute is for another reason, not really related to the split - anyone can take a copy of the CC-BY-SA content and run it as a site (I can run this copy, Wikia can run their copy). The problem was with how Wikia came to get GTW in the first place (by making promises they didn't keep) and how WikisEditor's repeated copying of content broke the licence agreements. You can ignore those issues for now, though.<br />
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I saw MrLVD's edits, but they did not break any rules or policy; did not fall within the [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Vandalism Vandalism] policy (not offensive, false, random); he did not link to other sites, and he did not make mass bot edits. He was simply discussing the community split with a number of users who he believed would benefit from being told about it. Several of these users had already been blocked, so he was helping out by redirecting them here instead of back to your site. Although he should perhaps have chosen better wording than "illegal and fake", I don't think that was the equivalent of "hate speech" which is what your [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Blocking_Policy blocking policy] states would earn longer blocks than the usual 3-day first block for insertion of nonsense. It is also not as duplicate account, as he joined this wiki long after the split and never existed on Wikia. <br />
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I think he should be unblocked, and should be allowed to discuss the split with other users should he wish. Going around blocking people because you disagree with what they say is completely wrong and completely against the morals of that wiki which (if you remember) I founded. I hope you remember that you don't "own" the community or the site, and you're just a user nominated to have some extra tools to keep things running smoothly. At the moment, it doesn't feel like that's what's happening. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:31, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki:Community split ==<br />
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Thanks for making the GTA Wiki:Community split page on Wikia. I think a lot of the anger (and the spamming that sometimes happens) is confusion at what actually happened and what the current situation is. Like I've clarified the situation on our [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]] page, this should help clarify it at your end. Could you link to that on your about page or <br />
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Just a couple of edits I'd like to suggest for it:<br />
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*We didn't "found" a new site, as in build one from scratch. Grand Theft Wiki moved, whilst wikia retained their copy of GTW but changed the name to GTA Wiki. <br />
*After Wikia refused to delete the site once we moved, we attempted to allow both sites to co-exist peacefully, specifically by using the Wikia one as a dedicated modding site and leaving GTW for canon content. However, Wikia vetoed this and banned everyone who tried to help with this.<br />
*Sysops is not a word we use here, could you use staff instead?<br />
*"and posting as many links to grandtheftwiki.com as they could" sounds a bit biased, could you change that to "and attemped to publicise the move"?<br />
*"Most of the users who remain on Wikia disagree with the grandtheftwiki.com's staff that this wiki is an illegitimate copy" that's made-up. You could say "the new administrators" disagree or "some of the community that remain"<br />
*I think you could make it a little clearer that the sites are separate, nothing to do with each other any more, and that any discussion about either site should be held on that site<br />
*The spamming section is a little bit vague - does this mean nobody is ever allowed to mention GTW at all? Or just not post links? or just not post links en-masse?<br />
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Specifically, I would hope it's okay for us to:<br />
*Maintain our user pages, and have links to whatever site we choose (just like everyone else can)<br />
*Discuss the move with users, but not mass automated edits to every user page or anything<br />
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Hope that all makes sense! Thanks for your help - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:19, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It makes sense.<br />
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:I've made most of the changes. I rewrote the lede about your decision to leave to match what you just wrote here, mentioned the decision to make GTAWikia a modding wiki and Wikia Staff's veto of that, completely rephrased the sentence about users who remained on Wikia to remove quantifiers, used the term "staff" instead of sysops (which is a good idea regardless since "sysop" is only familiar to people who're fluent in wikipedia-lingo), and tried to make it clearer that the sites aren't affiliated with each other. <br />
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:As far as "how much you're allowed to promote" Grand Theft Wiki on GTAWikia, that's not a decision I can unilaterally make. I think it's fair for you to be able to invite users who've already chosen to leave GTA Wikia (for example, Bunnyjoke), to Grand Theft Wiki, but aside from that I'd have to think about where I'd draw the line between legitimate promotion and spamming. And again it can't be just my decision. I'll talk to the GTA Wikia staff about it, probably with the community as well. I'll link the Community Split page from the front page of GTA Wikia so that it's easier for new users to see.<br />
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:I'm not willing to undo the blocks the Wikia Staff installed, although I'm not going to renew them once they expire. In regards to editing your userpages on GTA Wikia, here's what I can do. There's a way to edit your user page on Wikia Community Central and then have it reflected on other wikia wikis. I personally don't know the code for that, but I know JFletcher/Biggest gta fan ever does because he did it. Then once you've written your page on Community Central, I can link it into your userpage with the code. Alternately, anyone can directly request I copypaste text into their userpage. Of course I'm not going to allow personal attacks on anyone on userpages. Saying that Wikia was disrespectful and only cares about money (among other things) is fair game, so is insulting Oasis (because frankly it deserves it, the second Wikia makes it truly mandatory is the day I jump ship), but I don't want anything negative about any individual person, even indirectly. And I will block spammers, especially the ones who've made hating Wikia and "trying to destroy GTA Wikia" their persona/gimmick. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:05, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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I agree entirely with the above, thanks. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 06:53, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Mizu101 ==<br />
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Can you let me know how you know that this Mizu101 is not the same as the one on Wikia? Feel free to email me (webmaster at grandtheftwiki) if you prefer. We have a fairly straightfoward process for Wikia users (who edited before the split) to retain or reclaim their usernames here. If the Mizu101 from Wikia leaves a message on my talk page on wikia, saying that he's NOT the same user as this wiki, then I'll be able to rename the user from here. He should also register an account here, so that I can rename him to Mizu101, assign all his pre-move edits to him, and prevent the fake user from re-registering that account. If he doesn't tell tell me and prove it's his username and his edits, then I can't take any action. However, I am also monitoring the use of duplicate accounts (I had CheckUser on Wikia and here). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:04, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You are without a doubt a pathetic person, do you have anything better to do than to stalk me? seriously, I am not impersonating him, I just like is username, it's people like you who have nothing to do but to stalk other people, I am not a troll, you're just being a ingorant brat. And by the way there is no user by the name of "The Quiet Man" you're a complete moron, and I'm starting to question on how smart you are. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:23, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:McJeff&diff=326234User talk:McJeff2011-09-04T07:23:49Z<p>4th hale: /* Re: Mizu101 */</p>
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== Re: Hi ==<br />
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Hi McJeff, thanks for introducing yourself. I'll happily open a dialogue and respond to your points. I absolutely don't mean to come across as rude, but as you can imagine I do have strong feelings on some of these subjects.<br />
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I didn't say all the staff and all the rules at GTA Wikia (I'll call it that for the sake of clarity) were awful, but those I've had experience with have been inexperienced, unsympathetic, and somewhat arrogant. I particularly refer to WikisEditor, but also those staff that supported him even though he had been blatantly copying content despite being told by Wikia to stop, and even supporting him after he had been demoted. I cannot believe that any decent wiki administrator would say that he should still be treated as staff even though he had his rights forced off him by Wikia because of his gross misconduct. I'm sure you can see that this smacks of staff thinking they're better than everyone else.<br />
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The policy "Competence is Required" is purely draconian. How dare your staff suggest that inexperienced users have any less right to edit than some mediawiki whizz-kid. Although it's on Wikipedia, it is NOT policy there - simply an essay by someone suggesting one way they think things could be done. <br />
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I'm a little confused that you say we don't have users over here "hu rite lyk dis", because I did run the GTA Wikia for years and we had all manner of people. However our policy was to help them grow, show them how to do it right, manage expectations and correct anything that was done. If people add useful content, it can always be fixed up by other users. If people add irrelevant and useless content, it will be removed anyway. If a user repeatedly adds useless content, then they'll be dealt with for that reason, not because of their bad spelling. <br />
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What goes on over at the GTA Wikia is none of my business, but it really breaks my heart to see the site I created, and spent five years building up from nothing, being twisted into an elitist society run by staff who think they are better than the users they're supposed to be helping out.<br />
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As for Gregallz5 - I'm not supporting or defending him or anything like that. Like I said, what goes on at GTA Wikia is nothing to do with me. He clearly doesn't like you guys (for whatever reason) and he's blocked over there (for whatever reason). You can block/ban who you like for whatever reason you want, whether it's bad spelling or nazi propaganda. But he's not banned from this site, so he's fine to edit here, that is ''all'' that my opinion on the matter was. However, he has since used his account here to argue and swear at The Tom, which is something that I'm not prepared to allow on this wiki, so he has been blocked for 1 day because of that. I'm also keeping an eye on the multiple accounts. I'll deal with him for any problems he causes here, but what you do to him has no bearing on what happens here. I hope you don't think that I'm trying to get him unblocked from your site or anything.<br />
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The main reason that people here don't like the staff at the GTA Wikia is because you are going against the community. The entire community agreed by consensus to move here. Any site can move host, it happens all the time. Wikia were entitled to run a copy (before the licencing breaches), but because we had been using the gta.wikia.com domain, most of the traffic still goes to that copy instead of the real site which moved. Your site only exists because Wikia kept the site running after we left, banned half the staff, demoted the rest. <br />
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The site moved, that is a fact. The community moved, that is a fact. The people who BUILT the wiki are all over here. The traffic only goes to the old location because Wikia won't redirect it. Why do you support that copy of the site? The excuse that you're stopping it from being damaged is lame - it's more likely that at least some of the staff just wanted the authority and power of a position, or that they wanted to take over the more active site rather than support the community that built it.<br />
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I don't know if you can understand what it's like seeing something you spent years building and years making popular ripped apart and taken over by other people? The 4 bureaucrats at GTA Wikia have 5469 edits in TOTAL between them. Here, A-Dust has 28,000 just himself; ZS has 27,000; and I have 25,000 between me and my bot. Of course, most of these edits were made over at Wikia, so the site you are running is built on our hard work.<br />
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Our issue is that you still support that site, against the consensus of the community, against all the people who built it. I'm sure most of your staff members would make good staff members here, and your editors would ALL be welcome here (even the screw-ups). Why can't we finish the job, leave Wikia, and all contribute together again? That's all I want. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:54, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I can't help but comment on the recent happenings at the GTA Wikia. Dealing with questionable offences by staff members the way you did undermines confidence in the whole system and completely precludes their ability to lead other users. Bunny showed a very reasonable attitude, but you went straight to a very public vote, without even warning or discussing it. You should know that no rule is perfect, and there are ''always'' ifs and buts and exceptions; and you always have to think about the wider implications of your actions, not just blocking people indiscriminately - even staff - for minor disagreements. I am really, truly horrified at the way the GTA Wikia is being run. <br />
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:I also refer you to [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=McJeff&page=User:Spaceeinstein&year=2011&month=9 this comment] where you state that you demoted Spaceeinstein as per a community vote. It's clear that you find the community votes on the community noticeboard binding. Then you must believe that the [[Community talk:Hub/Oasis|vote to leave Wikia]] was also binding. The whole community got a chance to vote, and there was a HUGE majority in favour of leaving, so the wiki moved here. Since this community vote is binding, then you must understand that the community has moved here, and should not still be maintained at Wikia? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:31, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Hi, sorry to interrupt, but I've been watching the situation with Greg since he first came here earlier this week. I would just like to add that while I myself have been known to heavily promote this wiki as the legitimate wiki (which I believe it is), I don't actually have a problem with GTA Wikia as a website. I strongly disagree with Wikia staff and their actions over the past year (and a bit more?), but I don't have any problem with the other site, and the community that decided to stay behind.<br />
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::However, what I ''do'' have a problem with is that no one gets to ''decide'' anymore - All evidence of the move and of Grand Theft Wiki's history has been erased, and so most of the community doesn't know about this wiki. I believe that the community discussion should have been retained, and that leaving users should be allowed to mention it on their userpage. One huge reason for this is because it's not uncommon for users to take long wiki breaks. When they come back (perhaps a [[GTA 5|new GTA game]] would give them more interest in the wiki again?), they will return to <tt>gta.wikia.com</tt>, not knowing that the community that they were a part of has moved on. They then may look for the staff and other users who they are familiar with, only to find that our userpages have been deleted, and that we seemingly don't exist. I don't think that this is fair to those users, and it is the interest of the community that I care about, rather than just trying to make the version that I'm a part of sound "cooler". '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 07:30, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::I can restore the discussion about why the community moved off of Wikia, that was deleted by WikisEditor with no reason given. I'm also not opposed to posting a page like your [[Grand Theft Wiki:Move from Wikia]] (it would probably be located at a page like GTA Wiki:Community Split). Users should feel free to contribute to either or both of the wikis. However, I don't know what sort of content it would have - even when the community at large decided to leave wikia there were dissenting opinions, and some people simply don't agree that the ads are really something to be offended about, or that the Oasis skin is horrible, and some feel that the site left behind ought to be maintained. And I don't see any benefit in addressing let alone trying to debate the claim that GTAWikia is literally illegal - I'm not trained in law, my arguments would be rather uninformed. If the legal case I've seen GBoyers mention he's working on does actually happen and the Wikia-hosted site is found to be illegal in a court of law, that bridge can be crossed when we come to it, as they say - either I'll switch over to this site or ensure that the Wikia site follows the law and the findings of the case to the letter, or both. While I disagree with this community in regards to some of the individual points made about the move, I do agree that users should be allowed to decide for themselves whether to edit this wiki, the Wikia version, or both. (I will, however, continue to revision-delete spam like what MrLanceVanceDance did last night while I was asleep). [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 18:21, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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It would be good to restore that discussion and maintain transparency as to what happened, even if we disagree on what ''should'' have happened. I'm happy to help with that (but I can only edit on this wiki, of course). I agree entirely that users should be able to decide which wiki to contribute to (if not both). The problem at the moemnt is that, because we used gta.wikia.com first, all our traffic still goes there, ends up on your copy, and people are not being told that the people who built that wiki have moved over here.<br />
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You're right that the decision wasn't unanimous, but notice that almost everyone said that they would move with us if we went ahead. Most of the people who said "no" thought that the site would close down completely, rather than move.<br />
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There were many reasons for moving, not just the skin. The adverts were becoming more and more intrusive, even coming into the content area. You might not have noticed that not-logged-in users on their first visit get a FULL-PAGE advert. Also Wikia consulted with the community over the new skin (including me), and completely ignored all our feedback. The new system limits the control admins/founders have even more than normal, and now you're not even allowed to modify the design apart from a couple of colours and a background image.<br />
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The legal dispute is for another reason, not really related to the split - anyone can take a copy of the CC-BY-SA content and run it as a site (I can run this copy, Wikia can run their copy). The problem was with how Wikia came to get GTW in the first place (by making promises they didn't keep) and how WikisEditor's repeated copying of content broke the licence agreements. You can ignore those issues for now, though.<br />
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I saw MrLVD's edits, but they did not break any rules or policy; did not fall within the [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Vandalism Vandalism] policy (not offensive, false, random); he did not link to other sites, and he did not make mass bot edits. He was simply discussing the community split with a number of users who he believed would benefit from being told about it. Several of these users had already been blocked, so he was helping out by redirecting them here instead of back to your site. Although he should perhaps have chosen better wording than "illegal and fake", I don't think that was the equivalent of "hate speech" which is what your [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Blocking_Policy blocking policy] states would earn longer blocks than the usual 3-day first block for insertion of nonsense. It is also not as duplicate account, as he joined this wiki long after the split and never existed on Wikia. <br />
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I think he should be unblocked, and should be allowed to discuss the split with other users should he wish. Going around blocking people because you disagree with what they say is completely wrong and completely against the morals of that wiki which (if you remember) I founded. I hope you remember that you don't "own" the community or the site, and you're just a user nominated to have some extra tools to keep things running smoothly. At the moment, it doesn't feel like that's what's happening. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:31, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki:Community split ==<br />
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Thanks for making the GTA Wiki:Community split page on Wikia. I think a lot of the anger (and the spamming that sometimes happens) is confusion at what actually happened and what the current situation is. Like I've clarified the situation on our [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]] page, this should help clarify it at your end. Could you link to that on your about page or <br />
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Just a couple of edits I'd like to suggest for it:<br />
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*We didn't "found" a new site, as in build one from scratch. Grand Theft Wiki moved, whilst wikia retained their copy of GTW but changed the name to GTA Wiki. <br />
*After Wikia refused to delete the site once we moved, we attempted to allow both sites to co-exist peacefully, specifically by using the Wikia one as a dedicated modding site and leaving GTW for canon content. However, Wikia vetoed this and banned everyone who tried to help with this.<br />
*Sysops is not a word we use here, could you use staff instead?<br />
*"and posting as many links to grandtheftwiki.com as they could" sounds a bit biased, could you change that to "and attemped to publicise the move"?<br />
*"Most of the users who remain on Wikia disagree with the grandtheftwiki.com's staff that this wiki is an illegitimate copy" that's made-up. You could say "the new administrators" disagree or "some of the community that remain"<br />
*I think you could make it a little clearer that the sites are separate, nothing to do with each other any more, and that any discussion about either site should be held on that site<br />
*The spamming section is a little bit vague - does this mean nobody is ever allowed to mention GTW at all? Or just not post links? or just not post links en-masse?<br />
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Specifically, I would hope it's okay for us to:<br />
*Maintain our user pages, and have links to whatever site we choose (just like everyone else can)<br />
*Discuss the move with users, but not mass automated edits to every user page or anything<br />
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Hope that all makes sense! Thanks for your help - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:19, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:It makes sense.<br />
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:I've made most of the changes. I rewrote the lede about your decision to leave to match what you just wrote here, mentioned the decision to make GTAWikia a modding wiki and Wikia Staff's veto of that, completely rephrased the sentence about users who remained on Wikia to remove quantifiers, used the term "staff" instead of sysops (which is a good idea regardless since "sysop" is only familiar to people who're fluent in wikipedia-lingo), and tried to make it clearer that the sites aren't affiliated with each other. <br />
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:As far as "how much you're allowed to promote" Grand Theft Wiki on GTAWikia, that's not a decision I can unilaterally make. I think it's fair for you to be able to invite users who've already chosen to leave GTA Wikia (for example, Bunnyjoke), to Grand Theft Wiki, but aside from that I'd have to think about where I'd draw the line between legitimate promotion and spamming. And again it can't be just my decision. I'll talk to the GTA Wikia staff about it, probably with the community as well. I'll link the Community Split page from the front page of GTA Wikia so that it's easier for new users to see.<br />
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:I'm not willing to undo the blocks the Wikia Staff installed, although I'm not going to renew them once they expire. In regards to editing your userpages on GTA Wikia, here's what I can do. There's a way to edit your user page on Wikia Community Central and then have it reflected on other wikia wikis. I personally don't know the code for that, but I know JFletcher/Biggest gta fan ever does because he did it. Then once you've written your page on Community Central, I can link it into your userpage with the code. Alternately, anyone can directly request I copypaste text into their userpage. Of course I'm not going to allow personal attacks on anyone on userpages. Saying that Wikia was disrespectful and only cares about money (among other things) is fair game, so is insulting Oasis (because frankly it deserves it, the second Wikia makes it truly mandatory is the day I jump ship), but I don't want anything negative about any individual person, even indirectly. And I will block spammers, especially the ones who've made hating Wikia and "trying to destroy GTA Wikia" their persona/gimmick. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:05, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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I agree entirely with the above, thanks. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 06:53, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Mizu101 ==<br />
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Can you let me know how you know that this Mizu101 is not the same as the one on Wikia? Feel free to email me (webmaster at grandtheftwiki) if you prefer. We have a fairly straightfoward process for Wikia users (who edited before the split) to retain or reclaim their usernames here. If the Mizu101 from Wikia leaves a message on my talk page on wikia, saying that he's NOT the same user as this wiki, then I'll be able to rename the user from here. He should also register an account here, so that I can rename him to Mizu101, assign all his pre-move edits to him, and prevent the fake user from re-registering that account. If he doesn't tell tell me and prove it's his username and his edits, then I can't take any action. However, I am also monitoring the use of duplicate accounts (I had CheckUser on Wikia and here). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:04, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:You are without a doubt a pathetic person, do you have anything better to do than to stalk me? seriously, I am not impersonating him, I just like is username, it's people like you who have nothing to do but to stalk other people. And by the way there is no user by the name of "The Quiet Man" you're a complete tool, and I'm starting to question on how smart you are.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:23, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=326233User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-09-04T07:00:49Z<p>4th hale: /* "Mizu101" is an impersonator */</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Greg ==<br />
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"In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful", how are the rules of the GTA Wiki rubbish, we prefer to have a source for info that were not sure about, that makes sense, and the staff aren't awful at all. If you want a user like Greg then fine but I think you should do a little more research on him and why he was really blocked. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 17:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The Tom ==<br />
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What is with him? Sticking his nose where it isn't wanted? I know we probably have a clash of personalities, but I can live with that, he scared someone's gonna bring him to task? Shouldn't be a moderator if that's his attitude, Gboyers thank you for your reply to me also, could you kindly tell The Tom to go and make love to himself and not put his nastiness where it's not wanted, him, Dan the Man 1983 and McJeff, they are like rats, I don't need them looking into me like I'm some sort of Ameba! It's internet bullying! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Sorry force of habit, been on their site too long, I got it from them, I thought that their website was this one with a different name, didn't know that they copied and pasted it, wow they were intelligent init?! [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz]]<br />
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What's their page and what's it all about and what's the beef between this one and the other one? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Could you kindly please tell [[user:The Tom|The Tom]] that [[user:MariaJaydHickment|Maria Hickment]] and I share a flat with each other and have two lap tops so of course we're gonna have the same IP and not make me sound like someone with an altered ego! [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 22:46, 1 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah all I said was that I'm a book writer, I ghost wrote the last two Martina Cole books and the Keeping It Real book for Grace Dent's Diary of a Chav series, if it pleases or offends him, he'd just have to either A) get over it or B) not like that. [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 12:16, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers. I probably should have introduced myself sooner, for obvious reasons... you probably know who I am, I'm a bureaucrat on the other GTAWikia. Talking to you and trying to come to some sort of understanding is something I've been meaning to do for a while but kept putting off because I know a lot of people here are angry at wikia and have a low opinion of the staff on my "imposter wiki".<br />
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First, much more so than when I started on that other wiki as an administrator, I understand and sympathize with your guys take on it. It's just that when your users make vandalism runs over on the other place, like [[User:Tommy-Vercetti]] did [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=User%3AHaruhi_Suzumiya&action=historysubmit&diff=321556&oldid=319885 here] it gets you into a fight mentality. I also think it's a little much to call all the staff over on the other place awful. WikisEditor was desysopped for the plagiarism and I've been strictly watching to make sure GTAWikia editors don't copy info from Grand Theft Wiki. as 4 the computance role u dnt have users over here whu writ liek this and get basic facts rong all tha tyme. I mean, I've seen you mention how much you hate that rule regularly, but we don't go around abusing it. In fact we've yet to block anyone for incompetence, it's just a safeguard against truly awful editors. Wikipedia itself sometimes bans editors due to competence, so it's not like it's a rule that we and only we have.<br />
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Anyway I came here today because of the way Gregallz5 has been causing trouble over here, thought I'd tell you the full story of what happened with him since he and Tom didn't. On the Gregallz5 account he got two warnings for incivility, then a three day block for calling someone a "stupid prick" in an edit summary. He immediately made a new account, GBTheWriter, and admitted it was him on its user page and "slagged off" the staff who blocked him, which I indefinitely blocked and extended the block on Gregallz5 to 2 weeks for block evasion. He then made a third account, TheRealLondonDeal doing the same thing he did on the second, which caused us to block Gregallz5 indefinitely. He made the Maria account, Tom asked for a checkuser from Wikia's staff and it came back positive, then it was blocked too. <br />
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So that's about it. You obviously don't have to agree with my opinions on running a wiki or my decision to edit the Wikia-hosted GTA Wiki, but I would ask you to please get my side on things before just writing me off as "awful". [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 21:27, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Resignation ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I just thought I'd let you know that I've resigned as Bureaucrat of the GTA Wiki, I doubt you'll care too much but I thought I'd let you know just in case you needed to contact the GTA Wiki about something in the future. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 23:57, 2 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Couple things ==<br />
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First I made a page on GTA Wikia called [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Community_split GTA Wikia: Community split]. I know you guys feel that the Wikia version is illegitimate and even illegal and so it's inadequate, but it's a long shot fairer than pretending nothing happened. I tried to represent your views as fairly and neutrally on that page as I could. <br />
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As for MrLanceVanceDance, he did leave two actual links to the Wikia website, on the talk pages of Bunnyjoke and Crescendospectredragon (the two recently desysopped users) apologizing for their alleged mistreatment and asking them to come over here. Bunnyjoke's debatable I suppose, the thought that C-dragon was mistreated is laughable since he never contributed and claimed it was because there was "nothing for him to do". However I disagree that not including a link makes what he did not spam, anyway. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 20:12, 3 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Left you a response on my talk page since probably multiple people are going to want to participate in that conversation and switching pages to follow a long conversation can get confusing. [[User:McJeff|McJeff]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Mizu101" is an impersonator ==<br />
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Hey man I'm sorry to trouble you with more drama but this is kind of important I think.<br />
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The user "Mizu101" on this wiki is impersonating a "Mizu101" who is still active on Wikia, and the culprit behind it is a user who's been in a nearly two-years-long ongoing dispute with me (it all started because I blocked him on Bully Wiki after I caught him anonymously vandalizing my userpage there). His primary username on Wikia last time I checked is 4th Hale, he's also The Quiet Man, Seth Tomasino, Old West, Goodfellas90, and probably a few others. I didn't go into further detail here because 4th Hale does this to amuse himself and I try to deny trolls attention, but if you need the details on the situation I can give them to you. I've also already informed the real Mizu101 on Wikia. <b>Jeff</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:37, 4 September 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I am not impersonating anyone, however since you brought up this trouble, I would like my username to be change.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 08:00, 4 September 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:4th_hale&diff=326078User talk:4th hale2011-09-02T15:32:44Z<p>4th hale: /* Comment */</p>
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== Reply ==<br />
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Hi, sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I can't delete your username, as it's important for us to keep track of who made every edit. The best I can do is disable your account to stop any further edits being made, but that seems a little extreme. With regards to how I made this site, how much detail do you want? This is just a MediaWiki installation running on a web server we own. Are you asking about this specific website, or are you trying to set up a wiki yourself? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 22:32, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:A "wiki" and a "wikia" are different things. A wiki is a type of website, like this one. Wikia is just one company that allows you to make/run wiki sites with a few clicks, but they don't let you have full control and they cover your site in adverts. This wiki used to be at Wikia, but we moved away, and now we run ourselves on our own server, which we pay for. If you want a simple, free service, check out [[wp:Comparison of wiki farms|Comparison of wiki farms]], and maybe try [http://www.shoutwiki.com ShoutWiki] - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:51, 24 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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We chose to leave Wikia for a wide range of reasons. Don't forget that I founded GTW ''before'' we moved TO Wikia. However, when we left, Wikia chose to keep a copy running, and refused to allow us to delete the site. We tried a few options, including changing the focus of that site to allow them to co-exist, but Wikia then banned me and demoted all GTW's staff. So now gta.wikia is a false copy of this site, with staff chosen by Wikia, where the founder (me) is banned. I'm still glad we left. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:03, 25 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "Senior Editor" tag ==<br />
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Hi Mizu. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with you using that "senior editor" box on your user page. Whilst I have no doubt you're very experienced, it implies that you have some sort of authority or seniority over other users. Even staff are just normal editors, and not necessarily any more right or knowledgeable than any other user. I'd prefer it if you just made a factual statement, like saying you are an experienced wiki editor and you've edited on XYZ wikis for X years. That alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:21, 29 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yeah that's fine now (although it should be "an editor" not "a editor"). Feel free to [[Community:Links|link to us]], use one of our [[Community:Signatures|Signatures]] or just spread the word! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:22, 30 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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I've removed your preference of skin, so you should be back at the default now. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:27, 1 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Dick ==<br />
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I hate to do this, but the answer seems to be [http://gta.wikia.com/Talk:Love_Fist here]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:04, 2 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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GTW uses the Vector skin that is the default for newer versions of MediaWiki. We just have some edited CSS to add the background, not much else. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Yup! ==<br />
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Thats cool, I live in windsor area. What town are you in?<br />
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:Well, nice to meet you. Bye. I never knew someone was in CT just like me on GTW. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I have a Xbox 360. I used to have a PS3 but it broke the day I got it. :( --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::How did it get deleted? Hacked? BTW how did you make you signature like that? It's cool. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:07, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::Thanks. --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 17:22, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::Cool! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:26, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Thanks! How about now? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:31, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::Thanks again, it much better than that bland signature I had before! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:39, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::::Yes I have, hopefully it dosent get to bad. The main thing im worried about is loosing power, no AC, no Fan, and most importantly, NO VIDEO GAMES! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:45, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::::::Im going back to High School on Tuesday, im hoping it destroys it so I don't have to go! --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:53, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Forum==<br />
Do you have a profile on GTA Forums? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 17:58, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Well check out the GTA V section if your into anything GTA 5 related.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::No prob. See ya. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:15, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Username & Bitmaps ==<br />
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We do not allow .bmp (bitmap) images, as they are a very bad and inefficient file format, and they do not resize well (for thumbnails etc). Please convert any BMP/GIF images to PNG/JPG/SVG. <br />
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Username changes are usually only granted to users who have unacceptable usernames (and we require them to change it), or for users that want to bring their usernames in-line with ones on other sites (wikipedia, wikia, gtaforums, thegtaplace etc). I'm happy to change your username once, and only once. We have to make sure that people can find contributors, even from old lists/links, and we have to make sure everything is consistent. So if you are completely sure you want your username changing forever, let me know. Make sure you give me the correct spelling and capitalisation too. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:18, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I assume you mean that you are using Paint to save screenshots? When you "Save As" your image, you can choose the type at the bottom. See [http://labviewwiki.org/images/3/36/Paint_File_Formats.PNG this]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Has anything happened? ==<br />
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Nope, not where my block is, we didn't even loose power. How bout' you? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:34, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Haha ==<br />
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Thanks, man.<br />
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I never knew about the "hate wikia" userbox until I checked out your profile. Thanks. I took the liberty of adding one myself. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:24, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh, trust me. I hate the GTA staff far more than any layout. But I try to avoid any wikia I can at the moment, ESPECIALLY the GTA one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 14:48, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::I'm banned there due to my last idea, so I can't help. Good luck with that though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:01, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::Haha. I spammed links to here and vandalized the pages, insulting the first (there's more than one, which is extremely sad) [bad] admin that I found. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:07, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::I'm glad I can't recall, but I do remember that it was the one who just "LOVED 'HARUHI' MORE THAN LIFE ITSELF" That one. Not like you can tell him apart from any of the others though. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:::::With how tireless everyone here is working, it's only a matter of time before our site far surpasses them. Look at the idiots they have running it; I'm honestly amazed it lasted as long as it did already. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:23, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::::::Ha. Who did that? Was it you?--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 15:54, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== "This user Hates Wikia" User box. ==<br />
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I want one! Please show me how?<br />
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:First off, sign all your posts. Click the signature button at the top screen.<br />
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:To get the userbox, edit your profile and type in:<br />
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:<pre>{{userbox:Hates-Wikia}}</pre><br />
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:Just cancel out the space between the : and there you go. Save, and that's the one. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 20:06, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, thanks. Sorry about not signing, bad habbit. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:10, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Re: Server cost ==<br />
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The total cost is a couple of hundred pounds per month, but that's between Grand Theft Wiki, The GTA Place and a couple of other sites.<br />
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== Duplicate Accounts ==<br />
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I have blocked your two duplicate accounts: [[User:Quiet Man]] and [[User:4th hale]]. Users are not permitted to operate duplicate accounts on this wiki without permission. Please familiarise yourself with the [[Rules]] of Grand Theft Wiki, and explain your reasoning for registering multiple accounts. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:01, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Ah I forgot about that - that explains why they had no contributions. Oh well, I'll keep them blocked. No worries! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Re:Question==<br />
Out of all the places I've been to Japan is my favourite. The people are fantastic there, as I've found the people in Asia in general are, and they know how to do everyhing. I could talk all day and night about the great things in Japan, from the availability of vending machines/convenience stores and the noise from the traffic lights to the fact that everywhere is clean. I'd always recommend going to Japan. I'd also recommend travelling with [http://www.insidejapantours.com/ Inside Japan Tours]. Their website also has a lot of information about many locations in Japan. A-Dust 23:19, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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==Comment==<br />
Yeah I've noticed that and I had edited and contributed since they had opened and did PR for them, talk 'bout not being loyal ain't they ever heard of the saying "Don't shit on your own doorstep?" One of them reckons I don't know Grand Theft Auto, when I started a craze of it in Year 4 in 2002 in my class, everyone came 'round my house and it weren't just 'cause I got the new Nelly CD or the newest Expansion Pack to The Sims! It was for my copy of Grand Theft Auto 3. I even got people to join their site, they ain't looking too clever now when I've told my mates to leave it as the moderators are crooked as anything.<br />
I like this website the most, people are friendly and helpful, also how do I get the date and time on my comments? [[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]<br />
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:Where's the signature button?[[user:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]]</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gregallz5&diff=325844User talk:Gregallz52011-08-31T09:28:55Z<p>4th hale: /* In Reply */</p>
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==Welcome==<br />
Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the [[:User:Gregallz5]] page.<br />
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Please leave a message on [[User talk:ZS|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User_talk:ZS|Talk]]) 17:01, November 16, 2009<br />
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== Promotion and "Proud to be English" ==<br />
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See [[Help:Userboxes]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff]] for the answers to your questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:42, July 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: A Favour ==<br />
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{{reply|Chimpso|A Favor}}<br />
I thought I'd help answer the question you left on Chimpso's talk page. We are no longer anything to do with the GTA Wikia - they do whatever they want and we have no control or authority there. Only the [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop administrators] or any [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff Wikia Staff] can unblock you from that site. If their rules mean you have to have evidence for everything, then that's their choice. In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful, so I don't why you would want to be unblocked there. I'd suggest you find a new home (like Grand Theft Wiki). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Please do NOT edit or remove anyone else's comments on a talk page. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, even if it is different to yours. As for what happened on Wikia, it's nothing to do with us here any more. I'm afraid that I won't allow this wiki to be a harbour for personal insults and arguments - we are here to make an awesome GTA encyclopedia. If you have issues with Wikia or the GTA Wiki there, I suggest you take it to Wikia, Wikia staff, Wikia IRC, those users or the Anti-Wikia Alliance. This is not the place for that. Alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anti+Wikia+Alliance Try this]. As for the history between wikis, see [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki ==<br />
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I've responded to your earlier message on your Gregallz5 account on the GTA Wiki, you can reply to it on your GTA Wiki talk page if you wish, you can still edit your talk page whilst blocked. This is a GTA Wiki problem so I'd rather it be discussed there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 01:42, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== In Reply ==<br />
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The Anti-Wikia Alliance, are a bunch of former Wikia users that hated Wikia for chaning the previous skin ''Monaco'' into the new ''Oasis''. <font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:18, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Also I wouldn't bother trying to go back to the GTA Wikia, the b'crats and admins there have this "shut up cos you're wrong" attitude where they think they know everything.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:20, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::To get the time and date, click the Signature button.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 10:28, 31 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gregallz5&diff=325829User talk:Gregallz52011-08-31T06:08:31Z<p>4th hale: /* In Reply */</p>
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==Welcome==<br />
Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the [[:User:Gregallz5]] page.<br />
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Please leave a message on [[User talk:ZS|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User_talk:ZS|Talk]]) 17:01, November 16, 2009<br />
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== Promotion and "Proud to be English" ==<br />
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See [[Help:Userboxes]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff]] for the answers to your questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:42, July 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: A Favour ==<br />
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{{reply|Chimpso|A Favor}}<br />
I thought I'd help answer the question you left on Chimpso's talk page. We are no longer anything to do with the GTA Wikia - they do whatever they want and we have no control or authority there. Only the [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop administrators] or any [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff Wikia Staff] can unblock you from that site. If their rules mean you have to have evidence for everything, then that's their choice. In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful, so I don't why you would want to be unblocked there. I'd suggest you find a new home (like Grand Theft Wiki). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Please do NOT edit or remove anyone else's comments on a talk page. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, even if it is different to yours. As for what happened on Wikia, it's nothing to do with us here any more. I'm afraid that I won't allow this wiki to be a harbour for personal insults and arguments - we are here to make an awesome GTA encyclopedia. If you have issues with Wikia or the GTA Wiki there, I suggest you take it to Wikia, Wikia staff, Wikia IRC, those users or the Anti-Wikia Alliance. This is not the place for that. Alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anti+Wikia+Alliance Try this]. As for the history between wikis, see [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki ==<br />
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I've responded to your earlier message on your Gregallz5 account on the GTA Wiki, you can reply to it on your GTA Wiki talk page if you wish, you can still edit your talk page whilst blocked. This is a GTA Wiki problem so I'd rather it be discussed there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 01:42, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== In Reply ==<br />
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The Anti-Wikia Alliance, are a bunch of former Wikia users that hated Wikia for chaning the previous skin ''Monaco'' into the new ''Oasis''. <font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:18, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Also I wouldn't bother trying to go back to the GTA Wikia, the b'crats and admins there have this "shut up cos you're wrong" attitude where they think they know everything.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:20, 31 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gregallz5&diff=325828User talk:Gregallz52011-08-31T05:20:42Z<p>4th hale: /* In Reply */</p>
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==Welcome==<br />
Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the [[:User:Gregallz5]] page.<br />
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Please leave a message on [[User talk:ZS|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User_talk:ZS|Talk]]) 17:01, November 16, 2009<br />
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== Promotion and "Proud to be English" ==<br />
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See [[Help:Userboxes]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff]] for the answers to your questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:42, July 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: A Favour ==<br />
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{{reply|Chimpso|A Favor}}<br />
I thought I'd help answer the question you left on Chimpso's talk page. We are no longer anything to do with the GTA Wikia - they do whatever they want and we have no control or authority there. Only the [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop administrators] or any [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff Wikia Staff] can unblock you from that site. If their rules mean you have to have evidence for everything, then that's their choice. In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful, so I don't why you would want to be unblocked there. I'd suggest you find a new home (like Grand Theft Wiki). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Please do NOT edit or remove anyone else's comments on a talk page. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, even if it is different to yours. As for what happened on Wikia, it's nothing to do with us here any more. I'm afraid that I won't allow this wiki to be a harbour for personal insults and arguments - we are here to make an awesome GTA encyclopedia. If you have issues with Wikia or the GTA Wiki there, I suggest you take it to Wikia, Wikia staff, Wikia IRC, those users or the Anti-Wikia Alliance. This is not the place for that. Alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anti+Wikia+Alliance Try this]. As for the history between wikis, see [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki ==<br />
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I've responded to your earlier message on your Gregallz5 account on the GTA Wiki, you can reply to it on your GTA Wiki talk page if you wish, you can still edit your talk page whilst blocked. This is a GTA Wiki problem so I'd rather it be discussed there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 01:42, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== In Reply ==<br />
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The Anti-Wikia Alliance, are a bunch of former Wikia users the hated Wikia for chaning the previous skin ''Monaco'' into the new ''Oasis''. <font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:18, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Also I wouldn't bother trying to go back to the GTA Wikia, the b'crats and admins there have this "shut up cos you're wrong" attitude where they think they know everything.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:20, 31 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gregallz5&diff=325827User talk:Gregallz52011-08-31T05:18:02Z<p>4th hale: /* In Reply */ New discussion</p>
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==Welcome==<br />
Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the [[:User:Gregallz5]] page.<br />
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Please leave a message on [[User talk:ZS|my talk page]] if I can help with anything! -- [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User_talk:ZS|Talk]]) 17:01, November 16, 2009<br />
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== Promotion and "Proud to be English" ==<br />
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See [[Help:Userboxes]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff]] for the answers to your questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:42, July 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Re: A Favour ==<br />
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{{reply|Chimpso|A Favor}}<br />
I thought I'd help answer the question you left on Chimpso's talk page. We are no longer anything to do with the GTA Wikia - they do whatever they want and we have no control or authority there. Only the [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop administrators] or any [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Central:Staff Wikia Staff] can unblock you from that site. If their rules mean you have to have evidence for everything, then that's their choice. In my opinion, their rules are rubbish and the staff are pretty awful, so I don't why you would want to be unblocked there. I'd suggest you find a new home (like Grand Theft Wiki). [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:50, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Please do NOT edit or remove anyone else's comments on a talk page. Everyone is entitled to their point of view, even if it is different to yours. As for what happened on Wikia, it's nothing to do with us here any more. I'm afraid that I won't allow this wiki to be a harbour for personal insults and arguments - we are here to make an awesome GTA encyclopedia. If you have issues with Wikia or the GTA Wiki there, I suggest you take it to Wikia, Wikia staff, Wikia IRC, those users or the Anti-Wikia Alliance. This is not the place for that. Alright? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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[http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Anti+Wikia+Alliance Try this]. As for the history between wikis, see [[Grand Theft Wiki: About]]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== GTA Wiki ==<br />
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I've responded to your earlier message on your Gregallz5 account on the GTA Wiki, you can reply to it on your GTA Wiki talk page if you wish, you can still edit your talk page whilst blocked. This is a GTA Wiki problem so I'd rather it be discussed there. [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 01:42, 31 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== In Reply ==<br />
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The Anti-Wikia Alliance, are a bunch of former Wikia users the hated Wikia for chaning the previous skin ''Monaco'' into the new ''Oasis''. <font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 06:18, 31 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:A-Dust/archive/2&diff=325785User talk:A-Dust/archive/22011-08-30T12:24:45Z<p>4th hale: /* Question */ New discussion</p>
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==License Templates & Categories==<br />
:I need to ask you, can you count artwork, and maps as screenshots, or should you leave the licensing section blank or replace it with something else? And with businesses, and weapons should they go into the general category or the more specific one or both? --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 22:53, February 24, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I start sorting them out if needed.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 00:13, February 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Antipatterns ==<br />
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I think [http://www.wikipatterns.com/display/wikipatterns/OverOrganizer this] might explain why a few of people have shown some hostility towards you. Although your organising is almost always correct, it's difficult for normal users to see what happened to the stuff they wrote, who did it, why they did it, and where everything is now. Most of this could probably be solved by redirecting after a merge (instead of just deleting), redirecting misspellings, directly contacting users who have a pattern of accidentally doing things wrong, and {{template|prod}}ing questionable content instead of immediately deleting it. Of course most of it ''should'' be deleted, but if some people might disagree (for whatever reason) then we should take that into consideration and either redirect them, give them a chance to discuss, or explain directly to them. Not trying to judge, just trying to prevent people getting upset in the future, without causing this wiki to become disorganised. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:57, February 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Before I say this, don't think for ONE second that I think we should be more like Wikipedia, but their [[:wp:wp:CSD|criteria for speedy deletion]] is something we could use a bit more. Articles should only be deleted after given a chance for a {{template|prod}} discussion, unless it is completely 100% obvious that it should be deleted. This would include nonsense, test pages, vandalism or spam. Duplicates or typos should be redirected (and merged wherever possible). Things in the wrong place (ie questions not being in the forum) should be moved (leaving a redirect). If you're not 100% sure then just prod it, then someone can jump in and explain. If nobody replies, delete it a couple of days later. Is there anything wrong with that or could I make some of it [[Policy]]? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:12, February 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Reply:[[User talk:Gta-mysteries#License Templates & Categories|User talk:Gta-mysteries]]==<br />
:So should I remove the regular business category, and go with the game(s) specific ones?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:34, February 25, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:And when should I use the places in (district name). Should that be just for district names, and landmarks.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 22:07, February 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Well I'm finished with the Businesses in GTA San Andreas page. I'm about to start on the others. And I didn't really understand your response on my [[User talk:Gta-mysteries|discussion page]].--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 23:15, February 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:OK thanks I understand it now, and this should be done for every business that appears in different districts?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 23:22, February 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I was going through some of the businesses and some have two categories that pretty much mean the same thing. Like clothing, and clothing stores, music, and music stores, , clubs, and nightclubs, and radio and radio stations. Could you tell me if these belong in both or one?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:22, March 2, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Also some of the images are tagged with the public domain template. Should GTA screenshots be tagged with it's corresponding template?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 22:32, March 2, 2010 (UTC) And I know it's against copyright to use images from other sites with watermarks, but it is against it to use screenshots of videos with watermarks?<br />
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Well I think I'm finished with the public domain category. Could you take a look at it, and tell me what you think?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 04:02, March 3, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Should there be a [[Template:Modification|template for modifications]], instead of using the general screenshot because regular images are copyright to Rockstar Games? Except for those using modified original files. And modifications aren't really copyright, more in the public domain. And there is an [[:Image:Carcer City.jpg|image of manhunt]] that uses a GTA screenshot template, what should I do about this?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 20:35, March 3, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:When I make changes on the template should I leave the middle section as is, and should it be used on all that use the original game for modding, other than completely building one? And the first part shows copyright for the GTA game, but is the mod non-copyrighted, when showing who developed it should I include the source or the person/team. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:32, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:So just leave the template as it is?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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And I think I'm done with the all of the business sections, and categories. Do you think you could take a look at these for me? Thanks. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:22, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for your help, and your welcome.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:46, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Checkpoint Charlie]]==<br />
I corrected the wording of the article. THEN, then I added the improtance of the mission. I can't believe I hadn't already thought of this; for this is the very mission that frustrated me for the longest time over why I wasn't getting the cell phone call leading to the final two missions. I "cheated" eventually, asking someone why the hell it wasn't happening. I had only done the side missions that seemed important or that weren't frustrating like I had thought this one was. [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] 23:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hey why the Hell won;'t it let me add an infobox or do rich text editing; it says it won't cause of the complex text that exists; why is this a dumbed down version of wikipedia? It actually makes it harder for me; as I am used to Wikipedia. [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] 23:06, February 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Okay I figured out the template thing but the "game" part of the template doesn't show up no matter how I enter it; this is all SO easy on Wikipedia; by watering it down to make it easier it's actually much worse; Wikipedia is already watered down obviously from the level of HTML it takes to make a webpage; but it is watered down just right; not too much or little. This half and half shit here is ridic. [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] 23:23, February 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NOOOOOOOOOOO ==<br />
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WHY DID YOU REMOVE MY MARK TENNINCH PHOTO!?? RAAAAAAAAH<br />
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Sorry for rage dude, but why?[[User:GeezeLuis|GeezeLuis]] 23:59, March 1, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Mission Layouts==<br />
:I do have some questions on how a mission article should be written. Should it first start with the infobox, then a brief description of the mission, location, and mission giver? Then a walkthrough, script, and gallery section?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 03:11, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[Gun Runner|Like this]]--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 03:34, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I fixed it, and do all headings have the second word lowercase or just the external links?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 03:48, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Should all of the missions in the basic category be removed?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 00:35, March 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:And do all missions need walkthroughs on a separate page?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:54, March 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Direct question==<br />
Hello I'm Station7 and I have a question. If you want to create an article '''here''' do we made those page immediality without any mistakes. So I mean not 2 sentences.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 17:22, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks.--[[User:Station7|Station7]] 17:49, March 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Help==<br />
Hi could you add a Trivia to Vladviostok FM please? Or show me how.[[User:Taigtafan|Taigtafan]] 01:35, March 5, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Article needing deletion...==<br />
That is, unless there actually is a "Jennifer Ancelotti" in GTA IV somewhere... [http://gta.wikia.com/Jennifer_Ancelotti] [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] 20:04, March 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==A Favor==<br />
:You being an admin, do you think you could do me a favor? Could you undelete the image File:Cedar Ridge Observatory (GTA3).png long enough for me to get it on my computer? Thanks.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 21:30, March 9, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I needed that, and I have it on my computer now if you want to delete it.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 23:53, March 9, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Finishing Businesses Sections==<br />
:I have an idea on how to get all of the businesses in each game. I don't know if it's a good one, but would it be better to use images of them in all the places they appear in, instead of having all of the separate articles? --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:41, March 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:So use a table on them, like on the [[Businesses in GTA Vice City]] page?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:49, March 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Should it be [[Businesses in GTA San Andreas#Adult Entertainment|something like this]]?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Got it, but what about the businesses that have articles? Should those go into the chart too?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:33, March 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Could you take a look at the page again and tell me if that's right? And should the type of business heading be removed and put in the chart?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:48, March 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Should they be alphabetized or in order according to type? And I think I'll start with GTA3 on my [[User:Gta-mysteries/Sandbox2|sandbox]].--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 22:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I've added a new table at the bottom of the page, with a notes section, and a caption under the image.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:17, March 12, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Just to clarify, whether businesses deserve their own article depends on whether '''a)''' people care & will look for information specifically on this, '''b)''' whether there is more than 1 sentence worth of relevant information, '''c)''' whether it will be linked to from many different places. If the answer to those is yes, then you can make a page. If the answer is no, then you might as well put the information into the tables of businesses in city/game/era. A-Dust is right in saying that we should try to be inclusionist and hold as much information as we can. However, if we had a page for every single building in every single game, it would be impossible to manage and maintain. I think there should be a difference between businesses that do things ingame (such as media companies or pay'n'spray), enterable shops ([[24-7]]), mentioned/advertised companies (such as [[Sprunk]]), and dud shopfronts that are nothing more than a photo ([[1 Hour Photo]]). I don't think the dud shopfronts deserve articles, and they are better off going into a table, since there is only 1 sentence of information we could ever write (games, locations, photo). Having 1000s of articles about them that are never used or looked at makes managing them a lot harder, and makes vandalism/errors much harder to find. We can still have all the same information, but put it into one page instead. No? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:37, March 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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That's what I'm working on. I was putting putting the information of businesses that are already made into a table like you recommended a while back. It does look better than all of the individual articles.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 19:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== joe's pizza real life ==<br />
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i'm new here. Don't know if this kind of information is useful. Here is some lionks of the original joe's pizza from which photo may have been taken by rockstar :<br />
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http://joespizzaofthevillage.com/gallery.html<br />
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http://gosstronomy.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/blasphemy-whats-your-favourite-fast-food-joint/<br />
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:Very good research! Almost every shop front/texture in the game was photographed by Rockstar somewhere in New York City. You can always tell by the quality of the textures which is photographed and which one is self-made by Rockstar. I'll add it to the German GTA Wiki. Thanks! [[User:Zaibatsu|Zaibatsu]] 23:29, March 13, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::PS: The house numbers match perfectly: both marquees show the number 233. [[User:Zaibatsu|Zaibatsu]] 23:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Sorry for triple-posting but I just realized that the allegedly "handrails" (my assumption) are in fact bar tables. Rockstar just photographed them as well. [[User:Zaibatsu|Zaibatsu]] 23:46, March 13, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks :) [[User:Jimi79|Jimi79]] 17:20, March 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==GTA3 Mission Screenshots==<br />
:I'm re-doing all of the mission screenshots starting with GTA 3. And I was wondering if the smaller blips on the radar would make a difference in the appearance.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:23, March 19, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Mule]] images ==<br />
:You know how on the [[Mule]] page there is a section for variations that sport businesses on the trucks? Should this be done for all the games, or were those just extra?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 00:46, March 18, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Insults and undos==<br />
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Please, do something about it: http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Murders_Committed_by_Niko_Bellic&action=history<br />
He deserves a ban for his insults to me.<br />
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== [[Final Job]] ==<br />
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Hey A-Dust i made an article called Final Job considering its in all cities do you want me to clear content or just move it somewhere else.--[[User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|SSJJ]] [[User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|TSSJJ]] 01:27, March 22, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
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hi dust i was wondering,,please can you tell me how to create an article on this wiki, it doesn't give me the option CHEERS File:Nukey_Snake.gif - [[User:Tommygunner32|Tommygunner32]] - <sub>[[User talk:Tommygunner32|talk]] </sub>12:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== thanks ==<br />
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ok thanks for the help, i already created an article called [[Dealers Apartment]],,,,,, <code>File:Nukey_Snake.gif</code> - [[User:Tommygunner32|Tommygunner32]] - <sub>[[User talk:Tommygunner32|talk]] </sub>22:56, March 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help ==<br />
:I am working on the [[Special:Wantedfiles|wanted files]], and I've got them down to two, and I was wondering can I remove the links if their on talk pages. And one of them is on a page I cannot edit. Oh, and thanks for nominating me for Staff, I like having extra tools, and responsibility. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:23, March 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, there is something you can help me with I am the leader of LCTRU (liberty City tactical response unit) on the PS3 a few things went wrong and many of my fellow clan members left without notice. I don't know if you could let some people know that i'm looking for members if you could do that I would really appreciate it our website is www.libertytacticalresponse.webs.com thank you and have a good day.<br />
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== You're a real jackass. ==<br />
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You know that? [[User:JamesSunderland46|JamesSunderland46]] 16:32, April 2, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hey! I am new to the wikia and I don't mean to be stupid, but how do you get userboxes<br />
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Please reply- [mailto:ILUVGT@M1SS1ONZ 00:30, April 3, 2010 (UTC)ILUVGT@M1SS1ONZ ILUVGT@M1SS1ONZ 00:30, April 3, 2010 (UTC)ILUVGT@M1SS1ONZ] (or ILUVGTAMISSIONS)<br />
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THANKS!!!!!1111!!!!<br />
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== More of a favor... ==<br />
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Hey. Could you please delete [[Hit the Courier/Walktrough|these]] [[Saint Mark's Bistro/Transcript|two]]? They are pretty useless redirects. I've marked them with {{template|delete}} already. One's a typo, and I'm pretty sure no one would even type these. Thanks. [[User:Masterpogihaha|Masterpogihaha]] 15:13, April 3, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Modding Template ==<br />
Would it be a good idea to use a more specific category for the modification template just like with the screenshots? I've added in a source syntax for it, and was wondering if one template could be used to auto-categorize something instead of making more templates, or manually adding in categories.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 00:19, April 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That didnt really make sense. Surely {{template|modification}} should be for articles about mods, and {{template|mod screenshot}} would be for screenshots of mods. As for an screenshot template-template, I absolutely agree. I've updated {{template|screenshot}} for this purpose. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:29, April 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hi there==<br />
Lol I noticed you've been shadow-editing me for a while. Is there a requirement for the images to have a certain name, because I've seen you changing it while keeping the image the same. [[User:Silver Infernus|Silver Infernus]]<br />
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== Thank You ==<br />
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For the Awards and help I've gotten -[[NYYankees333]]<br />
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==Trainers==<br />
How does one use a trainer...I do not understand...[[User:T-888|T-888]] 12:57, April 7, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Vandalism? ==<br />
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Hey i'm sure you have noticed the recent Vandalism on the Southside Hoods page. The User who is commiting the vandalism has at least two accounts, does this wiki have a page lock as i would suggest locking from page from any edits.[[User:ViperJono08|ViperJono08]] 22:23, April 7, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thank you ==<br />
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I am new to the GTA Wiki, and I am also going to contribute to the Condemned Wiki, and Call of Duty Wiki. I am usually found on the BioShock Wiki, hence my name as BioShockGuy52. I am trying to get to Administrator level, and am helping out to get support when I officially request it. Anyway, I look forward to being a major help on the Wiki of may favorite PS3 video game!<br />
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{{SUBST:User:BioShockGuy52/Signature}} 01:29, April 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help, again. ==<br />
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Hey. Do you think [[User:Masterpogihaha/Sandbox|this]] is necessary? It's an idea I've been working on, since other areas do have area templates, but I'm not sure if the rural areas deserve so. Thanks again for the help. [[User:Masterpogihaha|Masterpogihaha]] 17:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Donald Love ==<br />
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I seem to remember reading on Wikipedia that Donald Love is not only a cannibal, but also a necrophiliac. In case you don't know, necrophilia is the sexual attraction to and use of corpses. Fucking disgusting...<br />
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== Hey, A-Dust ==<br />
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A couple of things:<br />
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First, as it seems that the "There are no Easter Eggs up here. Go away." sign in GTA: San Andreas is like the Hidden Signs from the GTA III and LCS games, it might be good to create a trivia section in the Hidden Signs or Gant Bridge page ststing the possible connection and therefore continuation of th joke. If you want me to explain my reasoning better, please ask.<br />
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Second, since apparently there really is a Bigfoot in San Andreas, first I want to know if it can be interacted with. Second, is it hostile? Will it do anything?<br />
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Oh, BTW, sorry about my signature. Apparently, customization does not transfer between wikis.<br />
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{{SUBST:User:BioShockGuy52/Signature}} 13:14, April 11, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ill Take Her... ==<br />
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I don't know if it was because I had the pistol [Glock 22] at the time or it is just not mentioned in the Mission Page "I'll Take Her...", but during all the fighting and mouthing Gracie does in the car, Niko pulled out the pistol and threatened to shoot her if she didn't stop hitting him and grabbing the wheel. It does not really deter her that long after he puts the gun away. Is it worth noting on the mission's page in Trivia or somewhere?{{SUBST:User:BioShockGuy52/Signature}} 00:00, April 14, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Random Hooker ==<br />
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You know the abandoned hospital you where you get Elizabeta's cocaine from in "Snow Storm"? Well, in the game after the mission, if you return to the hospital and go to the large back room that has a couch, sometimes there will be a random hooker/stripper slumped over on the couch sleeping. One of them seems to be a unique character model, a lightly clad white female with extra high leg boots. She can be killed like a normal NPC. Hobos also seem to have taken this place over. Weapons found here are the Combat Shotgun [Remington 87] and Assault Rifle [Kalashnikov AK-47]. Is this noteworthy? BioShockGuy52<br />
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== Porno ==<br />
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In the Adult Product store in Algonquin, the one that you can enter, and I think it is also in a mission cutscene, there are bags over some of the more 'extreme' porn magazines. One of the bags over the magazine says 'Animal Lovers', so it is probably bestiality porn, and another bag says 'Fuck it, this is T rated!'. Just a little hidden joke, I guess. {{SUBST:User:BioShockGuy52/Signature}} 18:58, April 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== how to get an edit of the delete list ==<br />
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hi im just wondering how to het my page off the possable deletion list so just please tell me on my talk page thanx:)[[User:Crazyboy 97|Crazyboy 97]] 05:44, April 16, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Userboxes? ==<br />
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Is there a full list of Userboxes to place on my page? If so, where?<br />
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[[User:MAINEiac4434|MAINEiac4434]] 20:41, April 18, 2010 (UTC)MAINEiac4434<br />
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== Manager Position Open ==<br />
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Hey. I think its time that GTW promoted a new Manager (bureaucrat). This user would mostly be a "lead admin", coordinating the efforts of the other admins, making sure all the little jobs get done, and making sure the site's organisation works properly. I know you're not a huge policy person, but thought I'd give you the opportunity to put your name forward. If you would like to be considered, please [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Promotion/suggestions&action=edit&section=new&preload=Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Promotion/hashbang2 nominate yourself]. Thanks! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:34, April 24, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I accepted your nomination, and you can answer the questions [[Grand Theft Wiki:Promotion/A-Dust|here]]. Please also take the time to comment on the other two nominations ([[Grand Theft Wiki:Promotion/Biggest gta fan ever|here]] and [[Grand Theft Wiki:Promotion/Gta-mysteries/2|here]]). [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spamlulz ==<br />
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Could you consider employing severe measures on this guy? He's been in a racial rampage, lately.<br />
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Thanks a lot for banning that guy; he was beginning to grate on my nerves. He's gone ape on me @ Comm. Central, nevertheless I'll deal with him. ''<span style="font-family:Neuropol;">[[User:Protostealth|<font color="red">Proto</font>]][[User talk:Protostealth|<font color="black">Stealth</font>]]</span>'' 17:46, April 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Butler ==<br />
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can I create an article about a deleted character from gta 3, the Butler? [[User:Qwerty4965324|Qwerty4965324]] 01:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You might as well go ahead, in my opinion. ''<span style="font-family:Neuropol;">[[User:Protostealth|<font color="red">Proto</font>]][[User talk:Protostealth|<font color="black">Stealth</font>]]</span>'' 02:15, May 4, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== clan page ==<br />
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can i create a page for my clan in gta?<br />
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[[User:Shlomi52|Shlomi52]] 16:14, May 12, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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You might as well go ahead. But keep in mind; advertise the clan in question '''''only in your userpage'''''. Yeah, yeah, I know I'm stealin' A-Dust's thunder but hey, I've got heaps on Wikia experience. ''<span style="font-family:Neuropol;">[[User:Protostealth|<font color="red">Proto</font>]][[User talk:Protostealth|<font color="black">Stealth</font>]]</span>'' 18:28, May 12, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GTW Forum ==<br />
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Hey. I have created a GTW Staff Discussion Forum [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion/ here]. You will need to [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=global&section=register Register] on TGTAP, and leave me a message on [[user talk:gboyers|my talk page]] with your TGTAP username to gain access to the GTW forum. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Use of images within webs==<br />
Hi A-Dust. If you remember I'm member of GTARevolution's Staff, the biggest web of GTA in spanish. You and me talked a long time ago about the collaboration with this wiki, my web and/or Spanish wiki. We were agreed for using images and information, always quoting the original source. The problem is that some users of Spanish wiki "stole" some images and information from Revolution and used them in the wiki without quoting the original source (GTARevolution).<br />
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I've watched that you always quotes my information, but you sometimes use information of spanish wiki that you believe is original from they, and it's incorrect because it's mine. Please, if isn't a lot of work, I would be grateful if before use any information of spanish wiki, you advice me if this information is mine. Actually, you can use the information of GTARevolution directly.<br />
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In this moment I'm revising all images and information in Spanish and English wiki that I suspect is originally mine. If I found someone, I will quote the original source (my idea is not request the removal, simply quote them). I'm not distaste with you (and other English wiki users that could use my information), is not your business if others users (Spanish wiki) stole my images and information. Simply, I'm asking you for the future.--[[User:CuBaN VeRcEttI|_CuBaN_VeRcEttI_]] 11:52, June 27, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== gta v ==<br />
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do you know when its coming out?<br />
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== Take a look at this. ==<br />
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http://gta.wikia.com/User:Gtawon<br />
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Sockpuppet account of [[User:GTA34LIFE]], created a spam page. Can you deal with him, please? [[User:Sgt. S.S.|Sgt. S.S.]] 16:54, September 15, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GTA SA car mods ==<br />
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I have a vehicles can be modded as rally cars.<br />
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Vehicles needed to mod as rally car:<br />
* Sultan (Wheel Arch Angels)<br />
* Elegy (Wheel Arch Angels)<br />
* Uranus (Wheel Arch Angels)<br />
* Flash (Wheel Arch Angels)<br />
* Blista Compact (Transfender)<br />
* Club (Transfender)<br />
* Cadrona (Transfender)<br />
* Primo (Transfender)<br />
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==Sayonara Salvatore==<br />
Since we already have a video walkthrough, it makes sense to put the written walkthrough in the same article rather than do a spinoff.<br />
Lastly, the trivia is connected to the written walkthrough. [[User:WildKard|WildKard]] 03:09, September 28, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to staff forum ==<br />
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The staff forum was set up in your absence. You should have access now. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:10, October 2, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Adverts ==<br />
Look I know that Ads are one of the reasons we left, but would it be okay to tell people about the site on youtube?Answer me on my talk page.<br />
Thanks for answering.<br />
Okay i understand if this is to far, but should i vandalise the opposite wiki.<br />
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== Vehicles ==<br />
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Wasn't sure if you knew that vehicles are the most popular pages on GTW. In fact, [[Vehicles in GTA San Andreas]] is the most popular page! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 19:04, 14 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Bot Flag ==<br />
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I've given sysops the right to [[Special:Userrights/A-Dust|flag themselves as a bot]]. Could you do this every time you make loads of edits/uploads/deletions in a day? That way your edit count keeps going up, but you don't fill [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Edits]]. You can [[Special:Userrights/A-Dust|un-flag yourself]] as soon as you're done, and those edits you did whilst flagged will be hidden unless you [{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidebots=0 show bots]. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 21:18, 15 October 2010 (BST)<br />
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== Problem with GTA SA ==<br />
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I need help. I have a problem when the car is flipped and the game crashes. --[[User:Videogamer13|Videogamer13]] 13:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Thumbnail images uploaded instead of originals ==<br />
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Hi. I noticed you've gone ahead uploading images that failed to transfer from Wikia, but I have a comment.<br />
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Most of the images you copied are still not the original full resolution images, but rather reduced versions as shown in their image pages at Wikia; these versions tend to smaller as the originals are too large to fit the resolution of the internet browser (any originals more than 800 pixels wide, for example, are resized into 800 pixel wide thumbnails by default). Also, Wikia has the tendency to render any resized JPG thumbnail in poor quality JPG, which degrades the clarity of the image; thus only the original is genuine. For comparison, here's an [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100218184357/gtawiki/images/c/ce/Cluckin%27Bell-GTASA-OceanFlats-exterior.jpg original at Wikia] and its [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100218184357/gtawiki/images/thumb/c/ce/Cluckin%27Bell-GTASA-OceanFlats-exterior.jpg/800px-Cluckin%27Bell-GTASA-OceanFlats-exterior.jpg reduced version as seen on the image page] (note the "800px" suffix). I've taken the liberty of showing what needs to be done at [[:File:Cluckin'Bell-GTASA-OceanFlats-exterior.jpg]].<br />
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You can access the original image by clicking the image itself in their image page. I trust you know how to upload here via URLs? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 21:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks. Glad you understand. :) - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:08, 17 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== WikEd ==<br />
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WikEd isn't working (for me at least). If you want to turn it off, just press the white button in the top-right, near the log out link. If you'd rather I disable it, just ask. This isn't Wikia :) [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 19:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Korean Manager]]==<br />
Why you removed the quotes from this page? I didn't think they were too irrelevant. After all, he says them and they aren't listed on the page for [[Dining Out]]. I thought it was helping contribute to the Wiki by adding more info about what is said during that mission.<br />
[[User:LyHungViet|LyHungViet]] 22:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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O.k, thanks for clarifying :)<br />
[[User:LyHungViet|LyHungViet]] 23:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Photo ==<br />
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What happened to my photo in [[Stillwater Ave]]? [[User:Vermicida47|Vermicida47]] 22:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks man! You're a good administrator. [[User:Vermicida47|Vermicida47]] 02:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
==Just wondering==<br />
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Hi A-Dust,<br />
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I was just wondering what was wrong with some of the edits I made regarding Red County. I am asking as I would like some constructive criticism. Thanks! [[User:Montario|Montario]] 18:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== RE: Leon McAffrey ==<br />
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Sorry about the misunderstanding on that, but would you care to enlighten me? I was under the impression, both from in-game events and articles such as [[Ray Machowski]], that the attempt to kill him was made in [[Silence the Sneak]], he was seriously injured but not killed, and later Claude was sent to kill him again in [[Plaster Blaster]] (accounting for his hospitalization and body cast). Cheers, [[User:Michael von Preußen|Michael von Preußen]]<br />
:Ah, that makes sense, then. Thanks! [[User:Michael von Preußen|Michael von Preußen]]<br />
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== Tommy Vercetti's date of birth ==<br />
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The official Grand Theft Auto: Vice City strategy guide states that Tommy Vercetti is 35 years old. I have it here, it is mentioned on wikipedia and the other gta wiki. 1986-35=1951. :-D<br />
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== Video links ==<br />
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How come you're removing all the video links for the PS2 versions of games on the mission articles? [[User:Sgt. S.S.|Sgt. S.S.]] 19:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "(Boss)" and "(Killed)" ==<br />
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Hello, A-Dust.<br />
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I've been going through some of the pages on this wiki and I've noticed that in the "Mission Appearences" section of a character page it commonly says "(Boss)" and "(Killed)" after certain missions. I don't know what those mean and was hoping that you could tell me.<br />
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I edit regularly on the Red Dead Wiki (Wikia), and the same thing was on character pages there. <br />
However, after a talk with the admins, we decided to remove them. I don't think they make much sense, because Billy Grey (for example) isn't really a boss until the final mission.<br />
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I hope this doesn't come across as rude. I'm just trying to get some information. Thanks.<br />
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Sláinte mhaith! - '''[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]]''' <small>([[User talk:Hobbes|Talk]])</small> 03:20, 15 April 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Mission Images ==<br />
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Hey there, I have a question. I've been uploading images for some missions in ''Grand Theft Auto: Vice City'', and I happen to notice that a lot of the screenshots have letterboxes, and more annoyingly, subtitles. How come the users who upload it don't have it removed by editing it first to make it look more professional? [[User:Silver Infernus|Silver Infernus]] 16:09, 4 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Template capitalization ==<br />
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Shouldn't templates be all [[User_talk:ZS/Archive2#Templates|lower case]]?--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 18:08, 17 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Yep. All templates should be lowercase, just to make them easy to use and for consistency across them. It's less important for templates that aren't used by anything, but definitely any templates used in main articles should follow that naming convention. Would be good to rename the ones that aren't, although no huge rush. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 18:48, 17 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Oh and just to add, the first letter makes no difference. {{template|cubans}} and {{template|Cubans}} are the same thing. Mediawiki always shows the first letter as a capital, but lets you use either. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 19:00, 17 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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What do you mean "typing out the descriptions in full"? You mean typing the full name of the game? It feels redundant to type the full name, which is why I never bothered to do that, but the descriptions would look complete if written fully. I would like more input on this.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:24, 18 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That would be good, but I think the direction of the view of the camera should just apply to wide view shots showing a general scenery. It would be too much work and would feel like overkill to do that for specific shots like of characters and objects.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:40, 18 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Yes, something like the [[:File:NickKong-GTAVC.jpg|Nick Kong]] image description would be nice.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 21:08, 18 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Gallery images ==<br />
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Is there something wrong with the images I've been uploading? <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it]]''</span> 17:49, 30 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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All right. I'm currently going through ''GTA: San Andreas'' again, and I'm taking screenshots of 1680x1050x32 resolution with subtitles in English in the image (instead of in the letterbox). Would those be okay, even though they're larger than the other gallery images? <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it]]''</span> 19:23, 30 June 2011 (BST)<br />
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Right now, I'm taking one image per mission for most missions. For some, I picked more than 1, because they're all pretty important parts of the mission. I haven't taken any in-game screenshots where you can see the HUD (mostly because I'm busy shooting someone or speeding down a road with the police chasing me). But I guess I can go over San Andreas and Vice City one more each with whatever key points of the missions there are. If you don't want letterboxes and subtitles, I can keep them off, because I personally think they look unprofessional on the wiki. <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it...]]''</span> 20:40, 3 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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<s>Hey, I noticed that the list of missions in ''GTA San Andreas'' is missing some images . Since the page is locked, can you post my uploads of <span class="plainlinks">[http://grandtheftwiki.com/File:Sweet&Kendl-GTASA.png Sweet&Kendl]</span> and <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/File:HighStakesLowRider-GTASA.png High Stakes, Low Rider]</span>?<br />
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By the way, there's a few mistakes. Under the section "OG Loc" upon completing "Life's a Beach", "Madd Dogg's Rhymes" is listed as a reward instead of an unlocked mission. And the link to "First Date" leads to an disambiguation page, rather than the GTA: SA mission.</s> <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it...]]''</span> 04:13, 4 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Never mind, it's not actually locked. By the way, sorry if my uploads are messing up the numbering order, but I didn't want them to have the same name as an existing .jpg image to avoid confusion. Can you hold on before renaming them for when I'm done going over all the missions?<br />
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And one more thing. I've noticed that most of the images in the article infoboxes show the beginning of the mission. I know why because it's where the start of the mission is. But since we're keeping subtitles to make the image look more "interesting", shouldn't the most "interesting" image be the one on the list of "missions in GTA San Andreas". Especially because a lot of missions you do for the same person start the same way, with Carl talking to them inside their house. And if they're all placed one on top of each other on a long list, it's going to look boring. It's different from introducing the mission on the articles, which stand individually. What do you think? <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it...]]''</span> 05:45, 8 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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All right, then I'll keep the images as they are on the list. Oh, and I've got more images to post, but you're welcome. <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it...]]''</span> 23:46, 9 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Mission images ==<br />
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Hi, I was wondering about those. I'm guessing the reason that almost all of them are in Polish is because we don't have our own yet? That annoys me more than anything, and personally I think it lets down the standard of this site. Are you free to upload new English versions of them if you want to? I understand that you (the staff in general) want the subtitles there, but is there any other limitations to the images, like resolution? --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 19:22, 19 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Anyone is free to upload better quality images if they have them. I personally agree with you that they need to be in english. I think I read somewhere that they were copied from the polish GTA wikia. But yeah, if you personally have better quality images, by all means, feel free to change them.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 19:36, 19 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Thanks for your help. I don't have, but I can take new ones. I tried using the "upload new version of this file" option, but all it did was change the size of the original version and stretched it to the resolution my image is. However all the content of the image is still the same, so the subtitles are still in Polish. Yeah, that has me confused. :/ --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 23:51, 19 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I would just reupload a completely new copy then tell one of the admins about the polish one so they can delete it. I see them deleting old pictures all the time. Try that.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 00:22, 20 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Seems like that is my only option. I tested uploading an image of my own in the [[Sandbox]], and uploading a new version of that image worked perfectly. If I try uploading a new version of one of A-Dust's images (tried it on two now) all that happens is that the original image gets stretched. Would uploading a completely new one and marking the old one for deletion work? --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 14:27, 20 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Uploading a new version of a file DOES work. However, your PC doesn't always re-download the new version of the file (why should it?), so it just stretches it instead. Just hard-refresh the page (Ctrl+F5) or clear your cache, and you will see the changes. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 15:51, 20 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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Oh my god. Sometimes I just want to sink through the floor. Thanks. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 15:56, 20 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Tasks ==<br />
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Hey, could you take a look over the [[Tasks]] page and update it? I hope to push this forward a bit more, and I'd like it to be a useful point-of-reference for new members, more experienced members and admins alike. I might split it up into easy/hard sections too. What do you think? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 23:41, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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:That's no problem, I was asking you because you (and ZS) do a LOT of cleanup and organisation on this wiki that I don't even know about! I've made a couple of edits, and I'll keep an eye on it. I don't mean for it to be an exhaustive list of everything that needs doing; just a quick-start guide for people that want something to do. I'm also in the process of adding a welcome message for new users (again), and I'll include tasks in that. Feel free to edit either. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 23:55, 21 July 2011 (BST)<br />
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== RE:RE:Hey ==<br />
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I originally thought I sent the message to ZS, lol.<br />
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Anyway, thanks for that. I'm currently working on the cleanup articles.<br />
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Oh, yeah. That's what I wanted to ask you. Any suggestions for a signature? How do you make one?<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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== Grand Theft Mods ==<br />
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== Grand Theft Mods ==<br />
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Hey, could I have your feedback on the [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/topic/26958-grand-theft-mods/ status of] our upcoming Grand Theft Mods site? If you can't access our forum, let me know. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:33, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hi, I saw in your profile of all of the places you traveled, and I was wondering what's Japan like?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:24, 30 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th halehttps://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gboyers/archive8&diff=325774User talk:Gboyers/archive82011-08-30T04:36:41Z<p>4th hale: Correcting</p>
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== What's going on with {{tl|Navbox}}? ==<br />
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All templates linked there (like {{tl|Vehicles}}, {{tl|Weapons}}, {{tl|Broker neighborhoods}}) show up with messed up template links (the "v • d • e" links on the upper left corner), yet that template hadn't been changed for months (Did a wiki software change cause this?). This needs to be looked into ASAP. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 04:53, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:Looks better now. Saw the nifty revision UI too. Good work. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:02, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
:It looks like {{tl|Navbox}} will still show a "'''Error: No name provided'''" line if it's displayed together with other navigation boxes though ([[Infernus#See also]]). - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 06:17, 15 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Thanks and question ==<br />
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Thanks for making me trusted. However, a random notice, the list of trusted users doesn't seem very trustworthy. If I go to http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Special:ListUsers/trusted , I only get a list of 5 people? I can't help but think there should be more people on that list. Amongst others, all the admins are missing from it. Not a huge thing and maybe it's just me but thought I'd ask you anyway. --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:04, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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Yeah, that explains everything. I had a look in the User Rights Log and couldn't understand why the list was missing people that seemingly should have been on it. Now I understand though, thanks! --[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 13:26, 17 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Change Username ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, can you change my username to Samsonius.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:07, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:On second thought nevermind, sorry to bother you.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:21, 21 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Okay, false alarm I didn't want to change it because of another user at Wikia has the same username, I am 100% sure I want it change my username into Salubri.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 07:20, 28 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, I was wondering what kind of skin the Grand Theft Wiki has?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:46, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Earlier tonight, I made the catergory [[:Category:LCPD]], but when I added it to articles, only 1 of them showed up. Any way to fix this? [[User:Bacon777|Bacon777]] 11:48, 24 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Image Problem ==<br />
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Hi Gboyers, do you know why the image type bmp. is illegal here?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I've been having problems with my laptop, every images I saved ends up a .BMP, and how do I convert it into PNG/JPG/SVG?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 03:02, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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::Thanks a bunch :),--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 14:58, 29 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== The GTA Place Account ==<br />
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Hey GBoyers,<br />
My account on The GTA Place is MrLanceVanceDance.Also, feel free to talk to me via my talk page if theyou wish to discuss anything about the forum with me.Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 11:54, 27 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Cost ==<br />
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Hey Gboyers, this sever you payed for, how much does it cost?--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:38, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:I see, just curious, knowing the money I was trying to create a Wiki just like this one.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 04:48, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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== Reply ==<br />
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Those accounts were created in order for me to contact you when I accidently change the skin of the Grand Theft Wiki in my preference.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:06, 30 August 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Sorry about those accounts.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 05:36, 30 August 2011 (BST)</div>4th hale