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This is the official Grand Theft Wiki GTA IV Gripes list.

For now, this page is open to everybody. If there is any abuse of this page it will be locked, and all submissions will have to go through the Discussion page.

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Gripes about GTA IV

Gameplay

Gripe RebutMinor clothing items are removed during some cut scenes and missions. (glasses, hats)

RebutThis can be easily explained by Niko having manners... i.e. he would remove his hat or glasses before speaking with someone.

Gripe RebutNo store hold ups for easy cash or burglary missions.

Gripe RebutYou can't buy real estate like in San Andreas and Vice City.

Gripe RebutYou can't Own Businesses.

Gripe RebutYou can't do home invasion like in San Andreas.

Rebut This isn't San Andreas.
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Rebut Still, it's stupid that you can't do something, so cool.

Gripe RebutThe Hand-to-Hand Combat is not as good as in San Andreas.

Rebut Stated somewhere else, the hand-to-hant combat has a new purpose: subduing enemies that you aren't meant to kill.

Gripe RebutStealth kills as in San Andreas are no longer possible.

Gripe RebutThere aren't as many different clothing styles and options as there used to be, especially in San Andreas and theres very few "silly" options like mad hats and such.

Rebut At least there are some! Compare GTA IV to its predecessors, except San Andreas, in terms of customizing your pro/antagonist. Also, GTA isn't exactly a 'silly' game.

Gripe RebutFriends often call to do things at inconvenient times and are often on the other side of the city.

Gripe RebutFriends don't give you enough time to get to their location before they become impatient.

RebutYou can Hail a taxi, get in it, and do the auto ride feature which gets you there in a matter of seconds, or take a helicopter.

Gripe RebutYou can't evade or outrun your wanted level in a helicopter.

Rebut It's rather difficult to run away when everybody in the city can see you flying 200 meters up in a helicopter. Don't you think?

Gripe RebutThe camera angle is too low with no way to change it, I spend all my driving time holding UP, same as San Andreas.

Rebut Try different camera angles to find the one you like.

Gripe RebutThere is no riot cheat! No more chaos.

Rebut As posted below somewhere, the cheat may be present, but no one's found it yet.
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Rebut Well, until then, that's -1 point for GTA IV.

Gripe RebutSome missions are somewhat difficult to pass.

Rebut Try harder.

Gripe RebutOrdering items on TV or at Tw@ does not work. You can't even order vehicles by calling them, even though it says so at AutoErotiCar.com.

Gripe RebutDestruction of buildings isn't featured.

Rebut Destruction of buildings would permanently(?) alter the area, and make it difficult for normal activities or activities to occur.

Gripe RebutNo matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.

Rebut Rockstar, I believe, was trying to make the game more realistic. It's like that in real life, too.

Gripe RebutYou can longer respond to random comments either positively or negatively.

Rebut That was a minor feature, and its removal doesn't affect the game very much.

Gripe RebutYou must keep your 'friends' happy to retain their special perks. It would have been preferable to unlock their abilities once and then be left to the player to decide whether they wish to continue the 'friendship'.

Rebut Don't you have to keep your friends happy in real life?

Gripe RebutStreet Gang-Banging and generally street gang-related missions have been dramatically reduced, means, no point in shooting other gang members.

Rebut Since Niko is not exactly in one of those 'gangs', I would see no point in earning anything for the deaths of gang members.

Gripe RebutOnly 9 street races available and difficult to access them through the phone system.

Rebut GTA is not exactly a 'racing game'. The racing missions are practically just mini games, save for when they affect the storyline.

Gripe RebutNo special races that unlock special cars (like Destruction Derby).

Gripe RebutWith so little to buy Money is worthless.

Rebut You have guns to buy, don't you?

Gripe RebutAfter you complete steve's missions you can sell cars as often as you want, even spawning them and selling them getting you hundreds of thousands of dollars that for all purposes are still worthless.

Gripe RebutNo parachute.

Rebut there are also, more or less, no aircrafts to jump out of at high altitudes.

Gripe RebutCops manage to shoot your tires out, even if you're going 100mph.

Gripe RebutCrashing on a motorcycle and bailing out of a car aren't fun anymore, and often result in death.

Rebut once more, the game is meant to be more realistic.

Gripe RebutYou can't order cars from Stevie's garage once the text message missions he gives you are completed.

Rebut That function was specifically for the aforementioned missions.

Gripe RebutCombat is unrealistic and hard to attack people. You'll have to use weapons to kill them instead (not meleé ones).

Rebut Hand-to-hand combat was meant to injure the victim, without killing him. It's useful for missions.

Gripe RebutDuring shooting missions, you die very easily by shooters before you even run for cover. Enemies somewhat has great aiming, and Body Armor is highly recommended for hard missions.

Rebut Once more, the game is meant to be more realistic. If you'd be facing down ten trained gunmen with nothing more than a few grenades and a pistol, do you think you would live?

Gripe RebutAutosave may not happen all the time. Whenever you complete missions, you are forced to save the game manually instead of having the game to automatically save for you.

Rebut Then try saving manually more often; You'll get used to it.

Gripe RebutYou cant fight the cops like in other GTA games.

Rebut Actually, you can fight cops. Just take out your gun and shoot them. You also fight them in missions, like the Bank Heist.
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RebutThat's one of the worst ideas you posted on. If you take out a gun and shoot at the cop, you'll get 2 wanted star levels and more cops will swarm in and kill you. And if you attempt to fight a cop, he will easily arrest you and don't even bother holster a weapon. Cops will always shoot back anyways.

RebutAll cops attacked you in previous GTA IV games. And if you don't suck, then you are able to survive the cops with no problem. So yes, you can fight the cops.

Gripe RebutThe majority of the good cheats are gone (like chaos, citizens with weapons, cars fly away with hits etc etc etc).

RebutRockstar never releases cheats they are found by the players most likely the same cheats are there, they just haven't been found yet.

Gripe RebutThere are only 2 pairs of glasses in the whole game, and both of them are ugly.

Rebut That's your opinion.

Gripe RebutWhenever you crash you go flying out of the windsheild.

RebutWell, the game designers are trying to be more close to reality. I always found it to be extremely far-fetched that Claude, Tommy Vercetti, and Carl Johnson could slam into a brick wall at 100+ MPH and emerge without a scratch.

Vehicles

Gripe RebutThere is no Tank in this game, nor are there airplanes.

RebutTanks would be unrealistic, as the armed forces would not send a tank into New York City after a single man. Airplanes would also be unrealistic because air-travel around New York City is extremely restricted, plus there's really not enough area to need air-travel.

Gripe RebutThere are no car mods or even simply choosing your paint color.

Gripe RebutThe yellow boxes in front of safehouses are stupid and poorly made. Often AI traffic hits them as they're driving, causing the saved cars to disappear. Garages were much better and safer, and less chance of cars disappearing.

Gripe RebutNo "R3" Missions for anything other than the police cruiser.

Gripe RebutThere are not enough special vehicles like golf carts, lawn mowers, and bicycles.

Gripe RebutThere are fewer cars in the game compared to San Andreas, and no fixed-wing aircraft available to the player. Even though the city is smaller than GTA San Andreas, the designers of the game shouldn't have lost more stuff than they put in, that includes Vehicles and Planes. Just a general mistake on behalf of rockstar

Gripe RebutHow the Voodoo was changed.

Rebut That's your opinion.
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Rebut In my opinion, rockstar really blew-it by ruining a perfectly good muscle car with Hydraulics. Now, its just as useless as the perennial.

Gripe RebutYou can't operate trains like in GTA San Andreas.

Gripe RebutThe Hunter helicopter isn't here anymore.

Gripe RebutWhen Niko steers the car in any direction, the steering wheel doesn't move at all, which left Rockstar Games no explanation to this problem.

Gripe RebutAirbags do not deploy on any vehicles when slammed head-on at high speeds.

Gripe RebutYou can't attach trailers in the back of your truck like in GTA San Andreas.

Gripe RebutBrucie's helicopter is useless. It would have been better if you could fly his helicopter yourself.

Gripe RebutThere are only two unique helicopters in the game, and only 1 of them is armed.

Gripe RebutRare vehicles aren't here anymore.

Gripe RebutYou can't go fast when driving boats because even the smallest wave will completely slow you down.

Gripe RebutNo Hydraulics.

Gripe RebutSome car names have been recycled for new cars and the names don't really make sense with the car they resemble anymore.

Gripe RebutNo remote controlled vehicles (rc-car/plane etc).

Gripe RebutNo gocart.

Gripe RebutThe Quad is absent.

Gripe RebutMost vehicles are very rare like the Infernus which you get only one chance to own, and never see again.

Gripe RebutIconic sports cars like the Stinger and Cheetah are nowhere to be found.

Gripe RebutOnly 1 sportbike is in the game, while GTA:SA had about 6 or 7.

Gripe RebutRoofs from vehicles doesn't get crushed when you roll over. There aren't any roll bars from any cars.

Gripe RebutThe Dozer is gone, regardless on gong into any construction sites.

Gripe RebutThere are only 5 residential vehicle parking spaces, which means you are forced to store few of your favorite cars into the parking space, since Rockstar Games refused to explain why.

Weapons

Gripe RebutAmmo limits are really, really annoying.

RebutThis is personal opinion. Ammo limits are not so low that it's difficult to complete missions. In fact, it's more than enough.
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RebutWhat if you are confronted against FBIs and NOOSE patrol teams? If you're very low on ammo, then you're completely defenseless and then you die. Like in GTA SA, there were no ammo limits (you can store 900 rockets, have 7000 pistoms, SMGs, have 900 Flamethrower containers, etc.). Besides, Ammo limits are very humiliating.

RebutAfter you beat the game the ammo limit is gone, you keep putting them in, after awhile it may saw you have 9999 of 30 for the machine gun but fire and reload and it says you still have 9999 of 30, ammo limit is removed with completion of the game.
Gripe

RebutWell, by the time the limit is gone, there won't be any real-good reason to utilise it. It would have been much better to just have it on while a person was going through the storyline missions and not after.

Gripe RebutThere are not enough "special" weapons like the chainsaw, the golf club, the pool cue, or the fire extinguisher like there were in GTA San Andreas.

Rebut If you check the page under features it explains why many of the weapons have been removed. link is here. Grand Theft Auto IV/Features

Gripe RebutWeapons are now seen on top of buildings, which is harder to find.

Gripe RebutTear Gas and Satchel Bomb was removed.

Gripe RebutRPG can only hold 8 rockets.

Rebut In real life, an RPG does NOT hold two thousand rockets. Sorry.

Gripe RebutWeapons stores are few and far between.

RebutThat is explained in game by the mayor's "Crackdown" on weapons

Gripe RebutLittle Jacob doesn't sell all the weapons, so an expensive trip to the gun store is required.

RebutLater on in game he sells armor, rockets, m16 ammo, grenades etc.

Gripe RebutDual-wielding weapons is no longer possible.

Rebut In real life, would you be able to dual-wield a shotgun?

Gripe RebutYou can't use free-aim because the targeting reticule automatically locks on to pedestrians, so you'll have to use your Sniper Rifle to shoot pigeons. Even if you try and force the aiming reticule off of the pedestrians, it will simply lock on to another pedestrians, so there is no way to make the aiming reticule let you aim yourself.

RebutIf you hold the aim trigger all the way down it targets a person, if you hold it part of the way down you can move the reticle around to aim how you please, like shooting through the winshield of a moving car to kill the driver.

Gripe RebutWhere is the fire extinguisher?

Gripe RebutNo one handed gun use.

In-game World

Gripe RebutNo random games like the off track betting, Pogo the monkey or other arcade games save from Qub3d.

RebutNo, but the player can play pool or darts, or go bowling. New games for a new game.
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RebutTrue, but I prefer arcade games. They're much better than doing bowling or darts.

Gripe RebutThere are only 3 unique Clothing stores in the game.

Gripe RebutGiven that a generic interior could be created, there's too few stores and the like to wander into compared to San Andreas (Cluckin' Bell outlets as just a facade with no way in).

Gripe RebutThe trees are invincible.

Gripe RebutWell Stacked Pizza is missing.

Gripe RebutMilitary base is completely gone.

Gripe RebutProLaps are seen at the Starlight District, but is no longer accessible. Didier Sachs may be seen at the same location, but is also inaccessible, including Binco.

Gripe RebutYou can't go underwater to see fishes, dolphins, turtles, even sharks.

Gripe RebutThe two largest straightaways in Alqonquin are both under construction, leaving no place to really go fast.

Gripe RebutAlderney doesn't have any food stores and barely any places of interest, making it a useless area to visit.

Gripe RebutThe Bars is inaccessible because you have to be accompanied by a friend.

Gripe RebutRockstar Changed The Name Of The Islands(i.e. Staunton and portlands name are changed).

RebutTrue the names are changed, But no city would enjoy having it's name in a blow up, cop killing game. Since the September 11th terrorist attacks on New York it would be bad taste to have Niko a soviet immigrant cause hell and kill New York cops.
Gripe

RebutBut in-reality, why would a city just change a whole lot of districts names with-in 7 years. It ruins the game a bit and it's history

Rebut It didnt change its name, it has always been that in Liberty City. It is BASED off of New York, it isn't actually New York. With names changed Rockstar can make it resemble NY, but also shake things up.

Gripe RebutThe Alderney safehouse is crappy and run-down, a downgrade even though the Algonquin safehouses are luxurious and much bigger.

Gripe RebutGrand Central Terminal isn't accessible, despite being in the game.

Gripe RebutZIP clothing shop is gone.

Gripe RebutIn a game where money is useless you would think you could use some of that 1,000,000 dollars you make to upgrade the crappy apartments, buy a garage in the alley, add internet, add a big screen tv, pay rent, etc.

Gripe RebutAlderney City has no darn train stations, I thought that New Jersey was full of sub-ways.

Characters

Gripe RebutReturning characters are completely absent, such as Claude Speed, El Burro, 8-Ball or even Toni Cipriani. There is little explanation why Rockstar Games did not return older characters from the past GTA eras.

RebutThere is an Easter Egg that shows the previous protagonists along with "R.I.P."
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RebutWhere is the location to this easter egg?

RebutCheck the link above

Gripe RebutPedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.

RebutIsn't the game supposed to be more serious? I mean come on, the games based in poor, old, drug and crime filled New York. Nothing funny about that. But i do agree they aren't as funny as prior games but I understand why Rockstar did that.

Gripe RebutSome of the characters are downright painful and tedious. i.e. Brucie, Dwayne etc.

Story

Gripe RebutThe humor is weak throughout the game.

RebutThat is a personal opinion. I, for one, found many conversations hilarious.
Gripe

RebutToo bad that there was just not enough of these "hilarious conversations".

Gripe RebutRockstar should of atleast brang back atleast one character from the GTA III era games. I mean, what ever happened to the Leone Family in the seven years leading upto the events in GTA IV]. Stuff like this should of been answered in this game, where I really expected Rockstar to build on a successful era of story-lines instead of taking 100 paces back to a new beginning.