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This is the official Grand Theft Wiki GTA IV Gripes list.

For now, this page is open to everybody. If there is any abuse of this page it will be locked, and all submissions will have to go through the Discussion page.

The "Gripes" on this page are intended to warn new players of things they may not like about the game.

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Returning characters are completely absent, such as Claude Speed, El Burro, 8-Ball or even Toni Cipriani. There is little explanation why Rockstar Games did not return older characters from the past GTA eras.

There is an Easter Egg that shows the previous protagonists along with "R.I.P."

Where is the location to this easter egg?

Check the link above

Go watch tv, apparently CJ is on there

Picture please?

He probably means San Andreas. Clips of CJ driving various cars around Los Santos Airport, like the Hotring Racer, appear in the TV program "I'm Rich".

Don't forget about the Truth's (GTA:SA) website, www.whatheydontwantyoutoknow.com

Well, IV is set over 20 years ahead of VC and SA, so everyone from those games is probably either elderly or deceased. Also, I think R* wanted to start fresh with IV, i.e. no ties to other storylines at all.

Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.

Isn't the game supposed to be more serious? I mean come on, the games based in poor, old, drug and crime filled New York. Nothing funny about that. But i do agree they aren't as funny as prior games but I understand why Rockstar did that.

Some of the characters are downright painful and tedious. i.e. Brucie, Dwayne etc.

That's just opinion. I like Brucie's style in the game. Dwayne is very depressed though.

Even after she died, you still have to go on a date with Kate.

I think that was just a very bad glitch. or Niko Bellic's into necrophilia!

*** SPOILERS*** The girlfriends are just annoying. Michelle is alright up until you find out she's undercover, so then you loose one of two sane girlfriends. Then at the end of the game you loose Kate who's the other sane one. Either she gets killed or just won't pick up the phone and you basically never hear from her again. This leaves you with the three girls online, and they've all got severe issues. Kiki annoys me as she's a pretentious lawyer type who gets on your case about wearing nice clothes, Carmen is self absorbed and refers to herself in the third person, and Alex is the equivalent of dating Paris Hilton.

Niko wasn't meant to like them. As Niko has said to Roman in a phone call, he only dates his online girlfriends to give him something to do.

Of all the characters, Carl 'CJ' Johnson is the only one considered dead??Carl is the only one considered canon??why

All of the characters are considered canon, but all are dead.

But not Claude, He got frozen until around 2013 Right?

Niko spends all his time complaining about his life and tells Roman that there's no such thing as a clean start, yet when Dwayne complains about his past, Niko tells him to shut up and have fun!

Roman had and still has many money problems when he came to America in 1993. So does Niko. There is no such thing as a clean start when you have money problems. Dwayne just came out of prison. He has nothing except the clothes on his back. He has a clean start because he has no problems at all.

Out of all the GTA main characters, Niko feels the most out of place with the type of game GTA IV is. Claude, Tommy, and Carl all feel right when stealing cars, killing people, and blowing up police cars. When Niko does it....it feels sorta wierd. His "cutscene" personality doesn't fit with the things he does during missions, like killing friends or innocents. I think a game with Playboy X's character (not his background story, just his character) would match the story better.

That makes Niko different. He probably had the worst past of all the protagonists. He watched his best friends get murdered and had to hide the truth of his Aunt's death from Roman. After something like that, I don't think I'd be happy to kill either. Besides, you can choose who you want to kill half of the time.

I don't see how his behaviour in the missions is all that inconsistent with his character. Most of the people he has to kill (per mission objectives) are less than innocent. When he does turn on a friend/ally or kill an innocent it's almost universally because he has no choice.

Outside of mission events, how consistent his behaviour is with his character depends on how you play the game, really. Me, I don't usually go on random rampages when I'm playing seriously, and when I do I don't save the game, so I guess you could say my Niko Bellic is suffering from split personality disorder. :P
Niko, as a character, isn't exactly a mindless psychopath, but he's... disturbed, due to the horrible things he's seen (and done). All that said, you can choose how ruthless he is in the storyline as well, to a degree, with the 'let character live or die' scenarios. Anyway, I guess I agree that Niko's character is somewhat consistent with randomly murdering people in the street, but I'm willing to accept that as a compromise.

A minor nitpick, but I wanted to mention it. During the shootouts in most missions, Niko screams vicious obscenities at his opponents even though, in most cases, he has no logical reason to be enraged at them. During the shootout in the Majestic hotel to take out the diamond dealers, for example, they're just obstacles in the way of a job that needs to be done, nothing more. It seems more than a bit out of character that Niko screams something like "AAAARRRRRGGGHHH, MOTHERFUCKERS!" at people he's only shooting at because he's being paid to, because it's at odds with his supposedly calm and collected personality. I could understand if he only did so while fighting the goons working for Rascalov, for example, because they represent someone he despises, but the fact is that he gets this worked up while fighting anyone. It's also a bit of a awkward jolt for me compared to what I'm thinking. (I'm usually thinking things like "target down" and "nade out" during a shootout. Yes, I play too many tactical shooters. >_>)

I don't know about you, but "Motherfucker" would probably be the kindest thing I say to the guy you shot me in any of my limbs or lower torso.

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 {{Gripe}} A minor nitpick, but I wanted to mention it. During the shootouts in most missions, Niko screams vicious obscenities at his opponents even though, in most cases, he has no logical reason to be enraged at them. During the shootout in the Majestic hotel to take out the diamond dealers, for example, they're just obstacles in the way of a job that needs to be done, nothing more. It seems more than a bit out of character that Niko screams something like "AAAARRRRRGGGHHH, MOTHERFUCKERS!" at people he's only shooting at because he's being paid to, because it's at odds with his supposedly calm and collected personality. I could understand if he only did so while fighting the goons working for Rascalov, for example, because they represent someone he despises, but the fact is that he gets this worked up while fighting ''anyone''. It's also a bit of a  awkward jolt for me compared to what I'm thinking. (I'm usually thinking things like "target down" and "nade out" during a shootout. Yes, I play too many tactical shooters. >_>)
+::{{Rebut}} I don't know about you, but "Motherfucker" would probably be the kindest thing I say to the guy you shot me in any of my limbs or lower torso.