Community:GTA IV Gripes/Combat: Difference between revisions

{{Gripe}}Whatever happened to the rumor that Niko would limp, not aim so well after being shot at? Aside from your armor/health gauge, nothing shows you are injured, except the bloody clothes, but that's just cosmetics.

:{{Rebut}}If Niko got shot in the leg and he would limp to cover it would give the enemy plenty of time to kill him. It would get annoying after sometime as you could not get to cover quickly and you would be killed. It would also be annoying that if your health was low and you couldn't shoot well, you'd also be killed easily.  

::{{Gripe}}Adding to the realism that the player should use more caution when engaged in a fire fight. Okay, so maybe not everytime Niko is shot, but how about when low on health he should limp and not aim too well?

:::{{Rebut}}Just think for a minute, you're about to pass the mission but you're low on health. With that feature, you could not kill the last couple of guys you needed to.  

::::{{Rebut}} Yeah, that would suck. I beat a lot of mission with a sliver of health. If having low health would f**k up your aim and ability to runaway from danger, then the game would be a lot more harder.  

::{{Gripe}}Right, I know about the "Free aim mode," in fact, I don't even use auto-aim at all. ust saying that I wish you could lie down and shoot, say as in SOCOM.

:::{{Rebut}}Niko isn't exactly a Navy SEAL. Plus, lying down and shooting is really for when your taking cover when there are no good boxes or cars to cover behind.

:{{Rebut}}Call them lucky. A grenade isn't always an instant kill in a real life. Some survive to live on, or die a slow, painful death.

::{{Gripe}}Not these enemies, they just get right back up and shoot at you like nothing happened. No slumped over, walking away in pain, nothing. They just slide back into cover as if no grenade went off. Also, an annoying glitch with some is the enemy can be seen "standing up" in mid-air after a blast and land back on their feet.

::::{{Gripe}}Haven't seen the standing-up, but I'm with you there, the grenades are ''woefully'' underpowered considering how easily Niko is killed by them. They don't even seem to significantly damage the people they blow across the room.

:{{Rebut}}It isn't crappy, you just don't know how to use it. When I play GTA4, the cover system always works fine, and the game automatically selects the nearest cover, not the smartest, due to the game isn't as smart as you think it should be. Its only 2008, and not all systems used in video games are perfect.

::{{Rebut}}As you have little to no control over which surface Niko will choose, it is not a matter of 'knowing how to use it'. Whether there's anything that can be done about this is the question -- an algorithm which can pick the surface most sheltered from enemy positions, perhaps?... Throwing grenades and firing rockets from cover is frequently catastrophic, too, and that's something that surely ''can'' be fixed; seemingly clear shots can end with Niko firing an RPG point-blank into his cover, or bouncing a grenade off his cover to fall at his feet -- boom, dead.

:::::::::{{Gripe}}Police officers are trained to only use their firearms when fear of their own life, or the life of another. Being punched is largely not life threatening nor justifiable after the incident when the cop has to explain why they shot someone. This is why cops have nightsticks, pepper/CS spray, tasers and hand-to-hand training.  

::{{Gripe}}It doesn't matter what the intent was. The point is, the combat system is horrendously awkward and often, unrealistic.

::::{{Rebut}}No it didn't. The combat was sloppy, too fast paced, and glitchy in animation. GTA4 delivers a more realistic fighting system. You can't just keep punching someone without them being able to do something back, unless they were unconscious or dead.

:::::{{Gripe}} Niko Belic is a former Serbian soldier, correct? So obviously(and for the sake of realism) he would know several martial arts moves. If you still disagree with me how can you explain Niko taking a couple of punches from hobos inside the game? Niko fights the way a civilian would fight, even though the game explained that he was a former soldier. There's also no way to grab your opponent and silence him by breaking his neck or at least throw him to the ground.

::{{Gripe}}Yeah, but even during Vigilante missions, the "criminal on foot" seem to survive a shotgun blast to the face. How's THAT real?

{{Gripe}} Stealth kills, with a knife or a silenced pistol are no longer possible in GTA IV. Slitting one's throat has been taken out, and so has the silenced pistol. It is nearly impossible to kill someone with a knife because they will most likely scream. In addition, the combat system is awkward, forcing you to follow your opponent every time he sways from a hit.

:::::{{Rebut}}Then you aren't good enough. I redid the mission and I did not get any stars.

::::::::{{Rebut}} I'm a third party, so I'll resolve this argument. You can, I repeat, you CAN kill the lawyer with the knife WITHOUT alerting the receptionist. I’ve done this mission once on my cousin’s game as well as my own, and I killed Goldberg with ONE slash on BOTH games. As long as you slash Goldberg’s upper body to kill him in one move, He will die SILENTLY without attracting attention. YOU CAN kill him silently. Maybe you just have real bad luck. Actually, I’ve never seen what happens if you kill him with a gun because I always kill with the knife. After killing him and grabbing the files, I slashed one of the windows with the knife to jump out to escape without attention.

::{{Rebut}}There would have to be a pretty stupid person not realizing that someone is behind them about to creep up and snap their neck or slit their throat. And remember gun control in the city? Silenced pistols were removed due to the fact that no one can hear them.

:::{{Gripe}}You can't get a silenced pistol, but you can get an RPG-7? That's some very strange gun control. And most people on the street are distracted, it's very easy to sneak up behind someone.