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Name

Why don't we call them the East Liberty Yardies? because their from the east sides of liberty. -- User:Gtafan310

How about East Island Yardies? If I do say so myself, it has a particular ring to it. Bluesboyjr 14:26, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


Where does the name come from? I'm really sure that the namesHillside Posse nor Jamaican Posse were mentioned in GTA IV. However, in GTA: Chinatown Wars, during Melanie Mallard's Factory Fun mission, they are called Yardies. Would this be their real name? -- Master Sima Yi 08:47, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Huang's GPS under his drug trade app, shows a list of gangs, Yardies are listed under "Hillside Posse". ChanJaoming 08:50, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
No they're not. They are called Yardies there as well. -- Master Sima Yi 13:35, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
That's odd. I've got the Nintendo DS version, and it just says Jamaicans. --Bluesboyjr 13:24, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Couldn't recall, but I know they're called Hillside Posse some time during Chinatown Wars.ChanJaoming 15:02, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
And I know they're not :P. I've completed all missions again in one day, looking closely at the cutscene texts and never have they been called Hillside Posse. I'm really sure that we need to move this to Yardies. -- Master Sima Yi 15:59, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
yes they are clearly called yardies not the hillside posse someone should change this hillside posse or jamaican posse are false names
Yardies is already name for same gang in GTA III era. In my version of CW they called Jamaicans, so Jamaican Posse will be the best name for article. Also, Yardies is the name for UK type of this gang, and Jamaican Posse is the name for New York one. Orto Dogge 20:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
May be Master Sima Yi likes to write so much, than forgot how to read, but some people, including me, already said, that another name for the gang is JAMAICANS. Yardies aldready name for GTA III era, so perfect name would be Jamaicans or Jamaican Posse.--Orto Dogge 11:59, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
The name "Jamaicans" doesn't sound very official as a gang name, it would be like moving the Algonquin Triads to "Chinamen". One would suppose that it was used in GTA CW as the gang had no official name. It has been said before on this wiki that when an offical name is lacking, the most used unofficial name should be the name of the article, suggesting that "Hillside Posse" should be used as it is by the GTA community, supposedly. The gang was named as the "Yardies" in the PSP bonus missions, so perhaps "Hillside Yardies" to distinguish the gang from the Uptown Yardies? --Bluesboyjr 15:21, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
But "Hillside" is still unofficial name. It would be better as "Hillside Posse" than. How about "Jamaican Posse", "Yardies Posse" or "Jamaican Yardies"?
How about we just call them Yardies, the name Rockstar has given us for them, and leave it like that? And Orto Dogge, maybe you shouldn't belittle other people so damn much and maybe I already know that they are called "Uptown Yardies", not "Yardies". -- Master Sima Yi 06:06, May 8, 2010
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How about the Jamaican Yardies, and have them be referred to as the "Yardies" when talking about them through the storyline. People then we'll know what we're talking about. NYYankees333 22:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Jamaican Yardies would be a bit silly; the whole point of Yardies is that they come from Jamaica - it would be like saying "Chinese Triads". How about the Broker Yardies? I know it doesn't have much of a ring to it, but it's the best I can come up with and it distinguishes them from the other Yardies. --Bluesboyjr 15:28, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
Yardies in general is an incorrect term for the West Indian criminal gangs that appear in GTA4, simply because in the main games they're called West Indian criminal gangs, and never once referred to as "The Yardies" outside of GTA 3. The entire 5 families are referred to as "The Mob," and the Irish Mob is referred to as "Irish American Killers," while all the assorted African American gangs are just called "African Americans." I am strongly against that move suggestion for one reason, and one reason alone. The Yardies in GTAIII are a seperate entity. The West Indian criminals in Chinatown Wars are also referred to as "Jamaicans," so the term "Yardie" never once comes up in any 4 of the games set within the current Liberty City.D16x 09:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Don't you have the Chinatown Wars PSP version? They are referred to as "Yardies" all the time. -- Master Sima Yi 14:26, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
No, I have the original Nintendo DS version. I also used GameFAQs as a 3rd party reference, on top of my first hand experience. There's alot of debate over this, and I agree that "Jamaicans" just sounds wrong, and "Yardies" can create some continuity confusion. It's of my humble opinion that they should be referred to as "West Indian criminal gangs," and the reason being is, I personally think the Russian Mafia page looks like trash.D16x 18:57, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
Well, I have both the DS and PSP versions. What about we move this page to Yardies in GTA IV Era and, well, the other page is called Uptown Yardies, maybe move it to Yardies in GTA III Era?. Are you okay with that? -- Master Sima Yi 19:43, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
I think titling the Uptown Yardies page, "Uptown Yardies," while calling the GTA IV era just "Yardies" is acceptable if they're called so in certain versions of Chinatown Wars. That seems like it'd work best to avoid confusion. But again, just my opinion. On a side note, is there a chance anyone has iPhone version of Chinatown Wars, and could throw some weight in on this discussion?D16x 23:13, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
My friend has the iPod Touch version, and I recall that they are called Yardies there as well, if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure though. -- Master Sima Yi 06:45, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
I have the PSP version, and I do remember that in one mission, they were referred to as the Yardies, but in the drturf map, they are referred to as the Hillside Posse. I say that the title should remain as it is. Paul H K 14:40, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
No, they're not! What version do you have (American etc.)? Can you take a screenshot? -- Master Sima Yi 16:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I should pitch in. The game only called the gang "Jamaicans," never "Hillside Posse" or "Yardie." As far as I know, Hillside Posse is a made-up name. And "doesn't sound official" is not a good reason why you should reject a name. Using that logic, the Cubans and Haitians in VC doesn't sound official, too. Do we reject those names?--spaceeinstein 11:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Affiliations

Petrovic Family

Again, AS I SAID, if ONE member of the gang is affiliated with a leader of another gang, doesn't mean that the two whole gangs have to be affiliated as well. And Orto Dogge, maybe you haven't noticed it yourself yet, but you tend to think that your own personal opinion is fact, as you have written in your last Summary of your edit on this page(see "Work on your argumentation if you want people pay attention on what you say. And that's not me, who need some lessons about missions in multiplayer. Jamaicans and Petrovics work together."), though I really think that I have the same problem as well.

Now to get back to the what I was saying. For example, Niko was affiliated with Jon Gravelli. But that doesn't mean that he is affialited with the whole gang. Niko isn't affiliated with Roy Zito or Sammy Bottino. And if you see some Gambettis walk around (rarely spawn in Broker), they will still attack Niko if they are provoked.

And anyways, Little Jacob helped Niko to attack Dimitri's men in Russian Revolution, and Dimitri was affiliated with Petrovic. Also, Niko helped Real Badman in his random encounter to kill some Russians. They might as well be Petrovic's men.

We should rather have a discussion over this rather than an edit war, as we both don't risk getting banned if we do it this way. -- Master Sima Yi 06:06, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

In America, if two members of a seperate gang work together, even without the assistance of the entire gang(in real life, gangs work as individuals when it comes to making money unless it's an operation that needs manpower, security, observation, and an overseer behind it.), they are affiliating gangs, because those two individuals work together. Even if they do not work together constantly, as long as they are not killing each other openly in the streets, they are affiliates. If you as an individual work with an organization, you ARE an affiliate of that gang until business ties are severed openly. This usually happens with a betrayal. Actually, that's not even in just America, it's like that all over the world. Haven't you seen the movie "Pusher"?D16x 09:23, July 5, 2010 (UTC)