Talk:Uni-Tel

... I don't even know where to start with this. This page is of no encyclopedic value and it has nothing to do with gameplay, it doesn't even count as trivial by any sane standards. You couldn't justify including a random, unimportant building like this in a list of locations, let alone dedicate an entire article to it. Are we documenting each city one building at a time? The worst part is that someone made an entirely new category for this article alone, Travel Agents. Christ almighty.

This is a Grand Theft Auto Wiki, not the white pages. Is this just some artificial attempt to boost article count and increase the wiki's standing in the statistics, or do some people just have way too much time on their hands? If it's the latter, I suggest whoever writes pages like this devote their time to working on the real articles that need work, of which there are many. --MattyDienhoff 03:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This Wiki is an attempt to provide information on everything within the GTA universe, which does include Uni-Tel. They are an in-game business and should thus be included. You may disagree, and thats your opinion, but businesses will continue to have their own articles here, simply because they are GTA-related. Also, you can contribute to the main articles and to in-game business articles. A-Dust 09:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe we should start with lists before we start on the specifics such as this. Looking back to the very start of the wiki, we begin with a list of vehicles, then fill out the individual vehicle pages slowly and individually. We should have a list of Buildings in Los Santos or Shops (ordered by type) and THEN we can start detailing each brand/shop/building/company. For one thing, it is hard to find information buried this deep without an obvious list at the top; and secondly I don't think many people will want to visit the page about Uni-Tel, there's nothing really to gain from it. More thoughts? Gboyers ^talk 11:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a list at the Stores page, which granted should be moved to the Businesses page. A-Dust 11:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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"I believe we should start with lists before we start on the specifics such as this. Looking back to the very start of the wiki, we begin with a list of vehicles, then fill out the individual vehicle pages slowly and individually. We should have a list of Buildings in Los Santos or Shops (ordered by type) and THEN we can start detailing each brand/shop/building/company."

That's exactly what I'm getting at, if there is no more than one paragraph on any one subject it's much more logical and also much tidier to put it in a list of similar subjects rather than create dozens of tiny, individual articles like this. A possible counter to this idea might be "the list will get too big/messy and will be hard to navigate through". No, it won't if it's done properly. The list items could be grouped (either by district or type) with level 2 headers, and each item would be titled with a level three header, below which would be a short description. If the list item was sufficiently important to have it's own article, the blurb under it's header in the list would be replaced by ((main|Article}} leading to it's article. This way all of the items in the list would be easy to find using the index at the top. It would be easy to keep it neat and informative. This would look more professional and it would be a heck of a lot faster to navigate than the way it is now.

"This Wiki is an attempt to provide information on everything within the GTA universe, which does include Uni-Tel."

You don't really believe that. The line has to be drawn somewhere and you know that as well as I do. There's a good reason you won't find Female Rollerskater or Dock Worker #3 or Elderly Female Shopper #1 in the list of minor characters, and that reason is not that they don't exist within the GTA universe, because they do; the reason is that they are not important. They are generic, just like so-called 'businesses' like Uni-Tel which is essentially just a prop with no importance whatsoever. What next? Shall we document how many sets of traffic lights there are in each district? Why don't we start documenting the trees, bushes and wildlife in each game? Flora and Fauna in GTA III, anyone? You may think I'm being extreme just to prove a point, but the question begs to be asked. I'll say it again - you have to draw the line somewhere.

If a building was:

• Home to a minor or major character
• A contact point
• An important public building like an airport, harbor, hospital or some kind of landmark (like the the Library or the AM CO building in GTA III)
• A service you could use in some way (like Ammu-Nation or even Rafael's)

Or even if it was simply enterable with some kind of pickup inside (like the "Tw@t" internet cafe in GTA III or the Laundromat in Little Havana in Vice City), then I'd agree it would deserve a mention, but buildings like the Uni-Tel Travel Agency here are mere scenery with no practical use and no significance. Even mentioning such locations in a list is a waste of time the way I see it, to say nothing of dedicating entire articles and even categories to them. It's a waste of space, time and effort.

The bottom line of my argument is that this wiki is very messy and policies like the one behind this article seem to be a large part of the problem. --MattyDienhoff 12:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all, please do not tell me what I do and do not believe. How can you know? Second of all, I think that down the line having images of pedestrians would be an idea worth doing. Also, I find it funny that you say this wiki is messy and try to suggest that articles like this should not be here, yet none of the pages you have linked to have Uni-Tel on them. This is because it is not orphaned and is properly categorised, in a sub-category for the businesses category. A-Dust 13:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)