Community:GTA IV Gripes/Weapons - Revision history

A-Dust at 21:21, 28 January 2013

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	::[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]Especially since none of the weapons do much damage (the RPG is okay, it does'nt have enough ammo), when you are surrounded by thousands of cops		::[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]Especially since none of the weapons do much damage (the RPG is okay, it does'nt have enough ammo), when you are surrounded by thousands of cops
	:::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]The only reason to say none of the weapons do much damage is not knowing how to aim. The aiming system lets you get head shots incredibly easily. A single clip of the Carbine is enough to take out over two dozen enemies at long range. There isn't a lack of powerful weapons, just a lack of skill.		:::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]The only reason to say none of the weapons do much damage is not knowing how to aim. The aiming system lets you get head shots incredibly easily. A single clip of the Carbine is enough to take out over two dozen enemies at long range. There isn't a lack of powerful weapons, just a lack of skill.
	::::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]Rebutting the original gripe of the limited number of weapons, you don't need multiple weapons for a single weapons class. First off, having too many choices can overwhelm or confuse players, second, having several different weapons with similar technical specifications (weight, effective range, etc.) creates redundancy, third, having additional weapons in a single class creates balancing issues (This is why the weapons introduced in [[The Lost and Damned\|TLAD]] are not available in the main game), and finally, coding additional weapons takes up development time & storage space. For example, in the assault rifle class, the [[AK-47]] and the [[~~AR-15~~\|M4]] do the job. We don't need additional assault rifles such as the [[wp:Heckler & Koch G36\|HK G36]], [[wp:SA80\|SA80]], [[wp:Steyr AUG\|AUG]], [[wp:IMI Tavor TAR-21\|TAR-21]], and so on.		::::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]Rebutting the original gripe of the limited number of weapons, you don't need multiple weapons for a single weapons class. First off, having too many choices can overwhelm or confuse players, second, having several different weapons with similar technical specifications (weight, effective range, etc.) creates redundancy, third, having additional weapons in a single class creates balancing issues (This is why the weapons introduced in [[The Lost and Damned\|TLAD]] are not available in the main game), and finally, coding additional weapons takes up development time & storage space. For example, in the assault rifle class, the [[AK-47]] and the [[M16\|M4]] do the job. We don't need additional assault rifles such as the [[wp:Heckler & Koch G36\|HK G36]], [[wp:SA80\|SA80]], [[wp:Steyr AUG\|AUG]], [[wp:IMI Tavor TAR-21\|TAR-21]], and so on.
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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]After you are done gunning down 10 criminals, he proceeds to the next objective and does'nt reload his weapon automatically.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]After you are done gunning down 10 criminals, he proceeds to the next objective and does'nt reload his weapon automatically.

Irelandcool at 18:47, 11 August 2011

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	:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.		:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.
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			[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] It doesn't take much effort to make flamethrower all you need is a can of deoderant and a lighter and you get your own flamethrower it be useful for getting out of tight situations when you get cornered and don't want to alert the cops. Also Niko should of been trained in how to make molotovs that way you wouldn't have to buy it off of people. Also a petrol tank or some other form of tanks with flamable liquid inside should of been put in the game you could put petrol onto people and things and use a lighter to set it a blaze. It wouldn't of think much thought to pull this off for R*.

Irelandcool: Griping

2011-08-02T18:48:08Z

Griping

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] five gripes for you first In multiplayer it takes two headshots to kill a single person even if they are wearing armor it should still be an instant kill. secondly why can't you use the enviroment as a weapon like smashing someones head off the walll or using the hotplate in burger shot to cook there faces. Thirdly why cabn't you pick up a something like a bin and smash it over there head. fourth you can't slit or stab someone from behind like in SA for stealthy kill.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] five gripes for you first In multiplayer it takes two headshots to kill a single person even if they are wearing armor it should still be an instant kill. secondly why can't you use the enviroment as a weapon like smashing someones head off the walll or using the hotplate in burger shot to cook there faces. Thirdly why cabn't you pick up a something like a bin and smash it over there head. fourth you can't slit or stab someone from behind like in SA for stealthy kill.
	:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Well the first, it would be harder for the other player to win who your headshoting and would have an unfair advantage, and the others, USELESSS, San Andreas had the sleath kill for ONE mission		:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Well the first, it would be harder for the other player to win who your headshoting and would have an unfair advantage, and the others, USELESSS, San Andreas had the sleath kill for ONE mission.
			[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] It may be useless to you but I think it would be a fun idea and the stealth kill would still come in handy when you want to kill someone without attracting attention from the cops or scarying people off.
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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)
	:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.		:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.
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Teokaijie at 08:09, 24 July 2011

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 {{Gripe}} Not THAT big of a gripe but when Niko reloads the AK47/M4 he just pulls the charging handle the only change is when you crouch THEN niko swaps mags and does the correct reload

88FanNASCAR at 21:12, 16 July 2011

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)
	:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.		:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]] Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.
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88FanNASCAR: edited rebut

2011-07-16T21:12:20Z

edited rebut

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)
	:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]~~]If you fire an~~ RPG at ~~a certain~~ angle ~~in GTA IV~~, it will deflect off of things.		:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]Again, the RPG is equipped with a pressure sensitive tip, not the entire grenade body. So if fired at the correct angle, it will deflect off of things.
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88FanNASCAR: edited rebut

2011-07-16T21:07:14Z

edited rebut

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] I bounced an RPG round off a (skinny) cop! (XBOX 360)
			:[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]If you fire an RPG at a certain angle in GTA IV, it will deflect off of things.
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ZombLee at 06:43, 30 May 2011

2011-05-30T06:43:07Z

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] The biggest drawback of this game is probably the ranging system of the weapons. All guns except the sniper rifles have zero effect on enemies after a certain range, as if the bullet magically disappears in mid-air. It's very awkward and unrealistic having to walk closer and closer to your enemy for your gun to start doing damage, especially in multiplayer. (if it wasn't for this, GTA4 would be the perfect multiplayer game IMO) There should be a more realistic ranging system for the guns, like having guns do a lesser amount of damage the farther away you are, or maybe even bullet drop. of course this should be proportional to the gun you were using, 9mm would have a shorter effective range, M4 a longer range, etc. IMO this is the one glaring flaw of GTA4's combat system.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] The biggest drawback of this game is probably the ranging system of the weapons. All guns except the sniper rifles have zero effect on enemies after a certain range, as if the bullet magically disappears in mid-air. It's very awkward and unrealistic having to walk closer and closer to your enemy for your gun to start doing damage, especially in multiplayer. (if it wasn't for this, GTA4 would be the perfect multiplayer game IMO) There should be a more realistic ranging system for the guns, like having guns do a lesser amount of damage the farther away you are, or maybe even bullet drop. of course this should be proportional to the gun you were using, 9mm would have a shorter effective range, M4 a longer range, etc. IMO this is the one glaring flaw of GTA4's combat system.
	:{{Rebut}}I've been able to use the AK, M4A1, and even the M249/"Advanced MG" at sniper rifle ranges quite easily. You just have to tap the trigger button briefly and fire one round at a time.		:{{Rebut}}I've been able to use the AK, M4A1, and even the M249/"Advanced MG" at sniper rifle ranges quite easily. You just have to tap the trigger button briefly and fire one round at a time.
	::{{Gripe}}I agree that the range of the guns are unrealistically short. Try aiming at a certain point just out of range and the bullets literally disappear and do no effect whatsoever. As you take one more step closer(or aim closer), you will see the bullet impact. Rockstar should have increased the range and made the ineffectiveness more gradual.		::[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]I agree that the range of the guns are unrealistically short. Try aiming at a certain point just out of range and the bullets literally disappear and do no effect whatsoever. As you take one more step closer(or aim closer), you will see the bullet impact. Rockstar should have increased the range and made the ineffectiveness more gradual.

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ZombLee at 06:40, 30 May 2011

2011-05-30T06:40:39Z

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	::{{Gripe}}I agree that the range of the guns are unrealistically short. Try aiming at a certain point just out of range and the bullets literally disappear and do no effect whatsoever. As you take one more step closer(or aim closer), you will see the bullet impact. Rockstar should have increased the range and made the ineffectiveness more gradual.		::{{Gripe}}I agree that the range of the guns are unrealistically short. Try aiming at a certain point just out of range and the bullets literally disappear and do no effect whatsoever. As you take one more step closer(or aim closer), you will see the bullet impact. Rockstar should have increased the range and made the ineffectiveness more gradual.

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]], Hey, this is just a minor issue. Do you notice that luis/niko/johnny run out of ammo? I shot up a hospital the other night and hid behind a pillar. These 3 cops started shooting in my direction.And they kept shooting..Because I was in cover, and none of them were running at me, I decided to make myself a sandwich. However, when I came back, they were STILL shooting..Why is it that I run out of ammo, but the police don't? And Don't give me the excuse "well, they're police officers, they have a lot of fire arms". I've seen cops in real life, and they usually only carry 2 magazines for their guns. I just think it'd be epic if the cop ran out of ammo the same time I did, forcing us to engage in fist fight. I just don't find it realistic..Also, I notice that the police don't reload their weapons. I'm hiding behind a pillar from a cop with a pump shotgun, and he just keeps firing on and on and on. It never stops.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]], Hey, this is just a minor issue. Do you notice that luis/niko/johnny run out of ammo? I shot up a hospital the other night and hid behind a pillar. These 3 cops started shooting in my direction.And they kept shooting..Because I was in cover, and none of them were running at me, I decided to make myself a sandwich. However, when I came back, they were STILL shooting..Why is it that I run out of ammo, but the police don't? And Don't give me the excuse "well, they're police officers, they have a lot of fire arms". I've seen cops in real life, and they usually only carry 2 magazines for their guns. I just think it'd be epic if the cop ran out of ammo the same time I did, forcing us to engage in fist fight. I just don't find it realistic..Also, I notice that the police don't reload their weapons. I'm hiding behind a pillar from a cop with a pump shotgun, and he just keeps firing on and on and on. It never stops.

ZombLee: Added gripe to weapon range system.

2011-05-30T06:39:17Z

Added gripe to weapon range system.

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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] The biggest drawback of this game is probably the ranging system of the weapons. All guns except the sniper rifles have zero effect on enemies after a certain range, as if the bullet magically disappears in mid-air. It's very awkward and unrealistic having to walk closer and closer to your enemy for your gun to start doing damage, especially in multiplayer. (if it wasn't for this, GTA4 would be the perfect multiplayer game IMO) There should be a more realistic ranging system for the guns, like having guns do a lesser amount of damage the farther away you are, or maybe even bullet drop. of course this should be proportional to the gun you were using, 9mm would have a shorter effective range, M4 a longer range, etc. IMO this is the one glaring flaw of GTA4's combat system.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]] The biggest drawback of this game is probably the ranging system of the weapons. All guns except the sniper rifles have zero effect on enemies after a certain range, as if the bullet magically disappears in mid-air. It's very awkward and unrealistic having to walk closer and closer to your enemy for your gun to start doing damage, especially in multiplayer. (if it wasn't for this, GTA4 would be the perfect multiplayer game IMO) There should be a more realistic ranging system for the guns, like having guns do a lesser amount of damage the farther away you are, or maybe even bullet drop. of course this should be proportional to the gun you were using, 9mm would have a shorter effective range, M4 a longer range, etc. IMO this is the one glaring flaw of GTA4's combat system.
	:{{Rebut}}I've been able to use the AK, M4A1, and even the M249/"Advanced MG" at sniper rifle ranges quite easily. You just have to tap the trigger button briefly and fire one round at a time.		:{{Rebut}}I've been able to use the AK, M4A1, and even the M249/"Advanced MG" at sniper rifle ranges quite easily. You just have to tap the trigger button briefly and fire one round at a time.
	~~[[Image~~:~~Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|~~Gripe~~]] It depends on what console you play on. On a computer, the game has a lot glitches if it meets~~ the ~~demands for~~ the		::{{Gripe}}I agree that the range of the guns are unrealistically short. Try aiming at a certain point just out of range and the bullets literally disappear and do no effect whatsoever. As you take one more step closer(or aim closer), you will see the bullet impact. Rockstar should have increased the range and made the ineffectiveness more gradual.

	~~minimum configuration~~. ~~Then~~ the bullets disappear ~~in mid-air~~. ~~Even on~~ the ~~medium configuration~~ the ~~ranging system~~

	~~sucks~~.

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	::[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]Especially since none of the weapons do much damage (the RPG is okay, it does'nt have enough ammo), when you are surrounded by thousands of cops		::[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]Especially since none of the weapons do much damage (the RPG is okay, it does'nt have enough ammo), when you are surrounded by thousands of cops
	:::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]The only reason to say none of the weapons do much damage is not knowing how to aim. The aiming system lets you get head shots incredibly easily. A single clip of the Carbine is enough to take out over two dozen enemies at long range. There isn't a lack of powerful weapons, just a lack of skill.		:::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]The only reason to say none of the weapons do much damage is not knowing how to aim. The aiming system lets you get head shots incredibly easily. A single clip of the Carbine is enough to take out over two dozen enemies at long range. There isn't a lack of powerful weapons, just a lack of skill.
	::::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]Rebutting the original gripe of the limited number of weapons, you don't need multiple weapons for a single weapons class. First off, having too many choices can overwhelm or confuse players, second, having several different weapons with similar technical specifications (weight, effective range, etc.) creates redundancy, third, having additional weapons in a single class creates balancing issues (This is why the weapons introduced in [[The Lost and Damned\|TLAD]] are not available in the main game), and finally, coding additional weapons takes up development time & storage space. For example, in the assault rifle class, the [[AK-47]] and the [[~~AR-15~~\|M4]] do the job. We don't need additional assault rifles such as the [[wp:Heckler & Koch G36\|HK G36]], [[wp:SA80\|SA80]], [[wp:Steyr AUG\|AUG]], [[wp:IMI Tavor TAR-21\|TAR-21]], and so on.		::::[[Image:Smiley Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Rebut]]Rebutting the original gripe of the limited number of weapons, you don't need multiple weapons for a single weapons class. First off, having too many choices can overwhelm or confuse players, second, having several different weapons with similar technical specifications (weight, effective range, etc.) creates redundancy, third, having additional weapons in a single class creates balancing issues (This is why the weapons introduced in [[The Lost and Damned\|TLAD]] are not available in the main game), and finally, coding additional weapons takes up development time & storage space. For example, in the assault rifle class, the [[AK-47]] and the [[M16\|M4]] do the job. We don't need additional assault rifles such as the [[wp:Heckler & Koch G36\|HK G36]], [[wp:SA80\|SA80]], [[wp:Steyr AUG\|AUG]], [[wp:IMI Tavor TAR-21\|TAR-21]], and so on.
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	[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]After you are done gunning down 10 criminals, he proceeds to the next objective and does'nt reload his weapon automatically.		[[Image:Angry Face.jpg\|20px\|bottom\|Gripe]]After you are done gunning down 10 criminals, he proceeds to the next objective and does'nt reload his weapon automatically.