Community:Hub/Oasis - Revision history

JFletcher at 02:57, 15 November 2010

2010-11-15T02:57:09Z

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	'''Grand Theft Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.		'''Grand Theft Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.

	We are asking our members three questions on the [[~~GTA_Wiki_talk~~:~~Community_Portal~~/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.		We are asking our members three questions on the [[Community:Hub/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.
	#What do you think of the Oasis skin?		#What do you think of the Oasis skin?
	#Do you think GTW should leave Wikia?		#Do you think GTW should leave Wikia?
	#If we moved, would you move with us, rather than staying on gta.wikia.com?		#If we moved, would you move with us, rather than staying on gta.wikia.com?

	'''[~~http://gta.wikia.com~~/index.php?title=~~GTA_Wiki_talk~~:~~Community_Portal~~/Oasis&action=edit&section=new Answer Questions Now]'''		'''[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Community:Hub/Oasis&action=edit&section=new Answer Questions Now]'''

JFletcher: moved GTA Wiki:Community Portal/Oasis to Community:Hub/Oasis: Moving to proper location on this wiki

2010-11-15T02:54:27Z

moved GTA Wiki:Community Portal/Oasis to Community:Hub/Oasis: Moving to proper location on this wiki

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JFletcher: 16 revisions: Importing more recent discussion from Wikia

2010-11-15T02:51:47Z

16 revisions: Importing more recent discussion from Wikia

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gtw>Biggest gta fan ever: /* Our Questions */

2010-11-08T03:05:30Z

Our Questions

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	'''Grand Theft Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.		'''Grand Theft Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.

	We are asking our members three questions on the [[~~Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk~~:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.		We are asking our members three questions on the [[GTA_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.
	#What do you think of the Oasis skin?		#What do you think of the Oasis skin?
	#Do you think GTW should leave Wikia?		#Do you think GTW should leave Wikia?
	#If we moved, would you move with us, rather than staying on gta.wikia.com?		#If we moved, would you move with us, rather than staying on gta.wikia.com?

	'''[http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=~~Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk~~:Community_Portal/Oasis&action=edit&section=new Answer Questions Now]'''		'''[http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=GTA_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis&action=edit&section=new Answer Questions Now]'''

Gboyers: Undo revision 278229 by Linkdarkside - those links were fair and reasonable (as per talk page)

2010-10-26T13:05:23Z

Undo revision 278229 by Linkdarkside - those links were fair and reasonable (as per talk page)

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	This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.		This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.

	Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to ~~Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site~~. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.		Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].

	As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at, or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.		Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.

			As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

	The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.		The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.
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	If we moved away, Wikia would '''not''' close gta.wikia.com. This means that the site would fork into two copies:		If we moved away, Wikia would '''not''' close gta.wikia.com. This means that the site would fork into two copies:
	*This copy staying on Wikia, operated as a competitor to our site (gta.wikia.com)		*This copy staying on Wikia, operated as a competitor to our site (gta.wikia.com)
	*One copy operated by this community elsewhere		*One copy operated by this community elsewhere (grandtheftwiki.com)

	This means that most visitors (from Google etc) would continue to use gta.wikia.com after we move, singificantly reducing our traffic. We could post redirect messages across this wiki, but Wikia would likely remove them. So we would require the community to work together to make sure everyone went to our new site, not here. We also need to make sure that as many users as possible come with us, rather than staying here.		This means that most visitors (from Google etc) would continue to use gta.wikia.com after we move, singificantly reducing our traffic. We could post redirect messages across this wiki, but Wikia would likely remove them. So we would require the community to work together to make sure everyone went to our new site, not here. We also need to make sure that as many users as possible come with us, rather than staying here.

gtw>Linkdarkside at 12:59, 26 October 2010

2010-10-26T12:59:06Z

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	This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.		This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.

	Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to ~~[http://www~~.~~grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]~~.		Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.

	Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.		As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at, or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

	As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at ~~[http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]~~, or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

	The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.		The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.
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	If we moved away, Wikia would '''not''' close gta.wikia.com. This means that the site would fork into two copies:		If we moved away, Wikia would '''not''' close gta.wikia.com. This means that the site would fork into two copies:
	*This copy staying on Wikia, operated as a competitor to our site (gta.wikia.com)		*This copy staying on Wikia, operated as a competitor to our site (gta.wikia.com)
	*One copy operated by this community elsewhere ~~(grandtheftwiki.com)~~		*One copy operated by this community elsewhere

	This means that most visitors (from Google etc) would continue to use gta.wikia.com after we move, singificantly reducing our traffic. We could post redirect messages across this wiki, but Wikia would likely remove them. So we would require the community to work together to make sure everyone went to our new site, not here. We also need to make sure that as many users as possible come with us, rather than staying here.		This means that most visitors (from Google etc) would continue to use gta.wikia.com after we move, singificantly reducing our traffic. We could post redirect messages across this wiki, but Wikia would likely remove them. So we would require the community to work together to make sure everyone went to our new site, not here. We also need to make sure that as many users as possible come with us, rather than staying here.

gtw>Biggest gta fan ever: Reverted edits by Biggest gta fan ever (talk | block) to last version by Gboyers

2010-10-26T08:37:23Z

Reverted edits by Biggest gta fan ever (talk | block) to last version by Gboyers

gtw>Biggest gta fan ever: Wiki has been renamed, see discussion

2010-10-26T08:36:49Z

Wiki has been renamed, see discussion

Gboyers: Updated

2010-10-20T22:14:02Z

Updated

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	{{info\|~~The new location we~~ have moved to is [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>~~Please~~ join ~~us on~~ the new site}}		{{info\|Many users of Grand Theft Wiki have moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>You can choose whether to stay on Wikia, or join the new site}}

			Grand Theft Wiki has been hosted on Wikia since 2008. By 2010, many users were unhappy with Wikia's focus on advertising, an increasing amount of interference from Wikia in the operation of this wiki, and Wikia ignoring the community and its opinion.

			This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.

			Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].

			Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.

			As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

			The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.

			Thanks - [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/user:gboyers Gboyers] <sup>[http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/User_talk:Gboyers talk]</sup> 22:14, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

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			=Original pre-move discussion=
			{{toc}}
	'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to Grand Theft Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.		'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to Grand Theft Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.

Gboyers at 00:47, 11 October 2010

2010-10-11T00:47:18Z

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			{{info\|The new location we have moved to is [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>Please join us on the new site}}

	'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to Grand Theft Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.		'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to Grand Theft Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.

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	{{info\|Many users of ~~GTA~~ Wiki have moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>You can choose whether to stay on Wikia, or join the new site}}		{{info\|Many users of Grand Theft Wiki have moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>You can choose whether to stay on Wikia, or join the new site}}

	~~GTA~~ Wiki has been hosted on Wikia since 2008. By 2010, many users were unhappy with Wikia's focus on advertising, an increasing amount of interference from Wikia in the operation of this wiki, and Wikia ignoring the community and its opinion.		Grand Theft Wiki has been hosted on Wikia since 2008. By 2010, many users were unhappy with Wikia's focus on advertising, an increasing amount of interference from Wikia in the operation of this wiki, and Wikia ignoring the community and its opinion.

	This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.		This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.

	Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of ~~GTA~~ Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of ~~GTA~~ Wiki's staff to move, and ~~GTA~~ Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].		Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of Grand Theft Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of Grand Theft Wiki's staff to move, and Grand Theft Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].

	Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved ~~GTA~~ Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed ~~GTA~~ Wiki community.		Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved Grand Theft Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed Grand Theft Wiki community.

	As a user, you have a choice whether to join the ~~GTA~~ Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.		As a user, you have a choice whether to join the Grand Theft Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

	The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.		The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.
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	=Original pre-move discussion=		=Original pre-move discussion=
	{{toc}}		{{toc}}
	'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to ~~GTA~~ Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.		'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to Grand Theft Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.

	You can view the Oasis skin on [http://glee.wikia.com Glee], [http://healthyrecipes.wikia.com Healthy Recipies] and [http://muppet.wikia.com Muppets].		You can view the Oasis skin on [http://glee.wikia.com Glee], [http://healthyrecipes.wikia.com Healthy Recipies] and [http://muppet.wikia.com Muppets].
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	* Wikia will remove our CSS customisation options. All we can customise are a pre-determined set of colours and backgrounds. We are unable to have our distinctive banner or similar big logos or customisations.		* Wikia will remove our CSS customisation options. All we can customise are a pre-determined set of colours and backgrounds. We are unable to have our distinctive banner or similar big logos or customisations.
	* The content area is quite small, and filled with advertisments. The terms of service prevent us from altering this at all.		* The content area is quite small, and filled with advertisments. The terms of service prevent us from altering this at all.
	* This skin removes ~~GTA~~ Wiki's identity, and just makes us look like part of one central Wikia site		* This skin removes Grand Theft Wiki's identity, and just makes us look like part of one central Wikia site
	* This skin and the new terms of service prioritise advertising over content, even more than Monaco		* This skin and the new terms of service prioritise advertising over content, even more than Monaco
	* The narrow fixed-width layout (630px) breaks many of our pages and puts content last		* The narrow fixed-width layout (630px) breaks many of our pages and puts content last
	* The skin still doesn't work properly, with many features and pages broken. It will destroy many of our pages, and it will take weeks or months to fix them		* The skin still doesn't work properly, with many features and pages broken. It will destroy many of our pages, and it will take weeks or months to fix them
	* The entire top section of every page is about Wikia and linking to other Wikia sites. The ~~GTA~~ Wiki logo and our navigation is placed part-way down the page, making it a lot less obvious		* The entire top section of every page is about Wikia and linking to other Wikia sites. The Grand Theft Wiki logo and our navigation is placed part-way down the page, making it a lot less obvious
	* The talk page button is now hidden. It's a tiny icon near the search bar, completely separate from the edit button.		* The talk page button is now hidden. It's a tiny icon near the search bar, completely separate from the edit button.

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	Wikia claim that they have consulted the community about these changes. Whilst there has been a beta test running, they have only fixed problems rather than listened to the genuine negative feedback from hundreds of users.		Wikia claim that they have consulted the community about these changes. Whilst there has been a beta test running, they have only fixed problems rather than listened to the genuine negative feedback from hundreds of users.

	The ~~GTA~~ Wiki staff fundamentally disagree with Wikia's priority of putting advertising and money before content and the community. It is the disregard for our opinion and the disrespect to our community and our content that is driving our upset.		The Grand Theft Wiki staff fundamentally disagree with Wikia's priority of putting advertising and money before content and the community. It is the disregard for our opinion and the disrespect to our community and our content that is driving our upset.

	{{quote\|''"So, as of 20 October, I plan to stop contributing to any Wikia wiki. It's not because "I hate" the new skin. It's because Wikia's new direction makes me feel that I'm providing free content for someone else to use to make a buck."'' -- Tennessee Ernie Ford on [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving_Wikia#A_heading_to_prevent_merging_with_the_above GuildWiki]}}		{{quote\|''"So, as of 20 October, I plan to stop contributing to any Wikia wiki. It's not because "I hate" the new skin. It's because Wikia's new direction makes me feel that I'm providing free content for someone else to use to make a buck."'' -- Tennessee Ernie Ford on [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving_Wikia#A_heading_to_prevent_merging_with_the_above GuildWiki]}}
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	==Our Questions==		==Our Questions==
	'''~~GTA~~ Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.		'''Grand Theft Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.

	We are asking our members three questions on the [[Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.		We are asking our members three questions on the [[Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.

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	{{info\|Many users of ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki have moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>You can choose whether to stay on Wikia, or join the new site}}		{{info\|Many users of GTA Wiki have moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com]. <br>You can choose whether to stay on Wikia, or join the new site}}

	~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki has been hosted on Wikia since 2008. By 2010, many users were unhappy with Wikia's focus on advertising, an increasing amount of interference from Wikia in the operation of this wiki, and Wikia ignoring the community and its opinion.		GTA Wiki has been hosted on Wikia since 2008. By 2010, many users were unhappy with Wikia's focus on advertising, an increasing amount of interference from Wikia in the operation of this wiki, and Wikia ignoring the community and its opinion.

	This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.		This dissatisfaction grew up to the release of a new 'Oasis' skin by Wikia. This skin brought a narrow content area, moved many functions to unusable places, and reduced the wiki's individual branding and navigation to being secondary to Wikia's large visible header. This skin was introduced alongside new terms of use, which prevented any adjustments to the skin's design apart from some colours and a background image. Despite a large amount of feedback being given by beta testers, wiki administrators and regular users, Wikia are forging ahead and making the Oasis skin mandatory.

	Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki's staff to move, and ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].		Due to Wikia's ongoing interference and lack of respect towards this wiki's community, a discussion was held on whether to leave Wikia as the host of GTA Wiki. After discussion, it was agreed by the participating community and all of GTA Wiki's staff to move, and GTA Wiki changed host and moved to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com].

	Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki community.		Discussions were held on Wikia's copy of the site. Some administrators wanted to run this as a GTA modding wiki, in a mutually-beneficial partnership with the moved GTA Wiki; but Wikia refused and chose to run a copy of the wiki here, in competition with the departed GTA Wiki community.

	As a user, you have a choice whether to join the ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.		As a user, you have a choice whether to join the GTA Wiki community at [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com GrandTheftWiki.com], or to stay at Wikia and edit this copy.

	The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.		The original proposal for the move is below, and the extensive discussion is on [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}\|the talk page]]. Please read this through and make your own choice about where you choose to edit.
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	=Original pre-move discussion=		=Original pre-move discussion=
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	'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.		'''Oasis''' is the new skin that Wikia will be rolling out to GTA Wiki in October 2010, to replace Monaco. This new skin is mandatory, and we will be unable to revert back to Monaco or Monobook.

	You can view the Oasis skin on [http://glee.wikia.com Glee], [http://healthyrecipes.wikia.com Healthy Recipies] and [http://muppet.wikia.com Muppets].		You can view the Oasis skin on [http://glee.wikia.com Glee], [http://healthyrecipes.wikia.com Healthy Recipies] and [http://muppet.wikia.com Muppets].
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	* Wikia will remove our CSS customisation options. All we can customise are a pre-determined set of colours and backgrounds. We are unable to have our distinctive banner or similar big logos or customisations.		* Wikia will remove our CSS customisation options. All we can customise are a pre-determined set of colours and backgrounds. We are unable to have our distinctive banner or similar big logos or customisations.
	* The content area is quite small, and filled with advertisments. The terms of service prevent us from altering this at all.		* The content area is quite small, and filled with advertisments. The terms of service prevent us from altering this at all.
	* This skin removes ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki's identity, and just makes us look like part of one central Wikia site		* This skin removes GTA Wiki's identity, and just makes us look like part of one central Wikia site
	* This skin and the new terms of service prioritise advertising over content, even more than Monaco		* This skin and the new terms of service prioritise advertising over content, even more than Monaco
	* The narrow fixed-width layout (630px) breaks many of our pages and puts content last		* The narrow fixed-width layout (630px) breaks many of our pages and puts content last
	* The skin still doesn't work properly, with many features and pages broken. It will destroy many of our pages, and it will take weeks or months to fix them		* The skin still doesn't work properly, with many features and pages broken. It will destroy many of our pages, and it will take weeks or months to fix them
	* The entire top section of every page is about Wikia and linking to other Wikia sites. The ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki logo and our navigation is placed part-way down the page, making it a lot less obvious		* The entire top section of every page is about Wikia and linking to other Wikia sites. The GTA Wiki logo and our navigation is placed part-way down the page, making it a lot less obvious
	* The talk page button is now hidden. It's a tiny icon near the search bar, completely separate from the edit button.		* The talk page button is now hidden. It's a tiny icon near the search bar, completely separate from the edit button.

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	Wikia claim that they have consulted the community about these changes. Whilst there has been a beta test running, they have only fixed problems rather than listened to the genuine negative feedback from hundreds of users.		Wikia claim that they have consulted the community about these changes. Whilst there has been a beta test running, they have only fixed problems rather than listened to the genuine negative feedback from hundreds of users.

	The ~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki staff fundamentally disagree with Wikia's priority of putting advertising and money before content and the community. It is the disregard for our opinion and the disrespect to our community and our content that is driving our upset.		The GTA Wiki staff fundamentally disagree with Wikia's priority of putting advertising and money before content and the community. It is the disregard for our opinion and the disrespect to our community and our content that is driving our upset.

	{{quote\|''"So, as of 20 October, I plan to stop contributing to any Wikia wiki. It's not because "I hate" the new skin. It's because Wikia's new direction makes me feel that I'm providing free content for someone else to use to make a buck."'' -- Tennessee Ernie Ford on [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving_Wikia#A_heading_to_prevent_merging_with_the_above GuildWiki]}}		{{quote\|''"So, as of 20 October, I plan to stop contributing to any Wikia wiki. It's not because "I hate" the new skin. It's because Wikia's new direction makes me feel that I'm providing free content for someone else to use to make a buck."'' -- Tennessee Ernie Ford on [http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving_Wikia#A_heading_to_prevent_merging_with_the_above GuildWiki]}}
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	==Our Questions==		==Our Questions==
	'''~~Grand Theft~~ Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.		'''GTA Wiki will not move without discussion and input from the community'''. Unlike Wikia, we respect our users, and we see this as YOUR site, not owned by one person, and certainly not owned by Wikia.

	We are asking our members three questions on the [[Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.		We are asking our members three questions on the [[Grand_Theft_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Oasis\|talk page]]. This is not a vote, as we have to weigh up all the options and make a sensible decision. But we respect this community and will act upon whatever the consensus is.