Community:Promotion/MrLanceVanceDance - Revision history

Gboyers: Protected "Community:Promotion/MrLanceVanceDance": Archiving (‎[edit=sysop] (indefinite) ‎[move=sysop] (indefinite))

2011-08-12T16:23:58Z

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Gboyers: Outcome - successful

2011-08-12T16:23:45Z

Outcome - successful

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	'''Users not in support of this promotion:'''		'''Users not in support of this promotion:'''
	*See [[#Comments by ZS]]. He needs more time. - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:38, 10 August 2011 (BST)		*See [[#Comments by ZS]]. He needs more time. - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:38, 10 August 2011 (BST)

			==Outcome==
			Based on the user's contributions, answers above and other staff and user comments above, I have decided to promote this user to Inspector. I'm sure MrLVD has read the comments above, and knows what he has to do to make everyone 100% confident to promote him to Administrator, which could happen any time. I hope you enjoy your new role! [[User:Gboyers\|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 17:23, 12 August 2011 (BST)

JFletcher: /* Comments by User:JFletcher */ And I'm the one who's already staff?!

2011-08-10T10:11:50Z

Comments by User:JFletcher: And I'm the one who's already staff?!

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	Yes, I am up to the challenge of being an Inspector of this Wiki.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:15, 10 August 2011 (BST)		Yes, I am up to the challenge of being an Inspector of this Wiki.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:15, 10 August 2011 (BST)

	==Comments by [[User:JFletcher]]==		===Comments by [[User:JFletcher]]===
	I agree with the general flow of the discussion so far. MrLVD is a dedicated editor, who's edits are usually of a high quality, and who has contributed alot of content to the wiki. I have been considering this user for a staff position for a long time; and I previously assigned him the trusted user flag. MrLVD, If you have noticed that I revert some of your edits more often than I do other users, its not because I think that you're a ''bad'' user - In fact, its quite the opposite: As I have been considering you for a staff position, I have been watching alot of your edits. However, I agree with Montario that this user needs to consider why someone has reverted his edits. This is as simple as reading the edit summary. If he disagrees with the revert, then he should discuss it, rather than simply change it back.		I agree with the general flow of the discussion so far. MrLVD is a dedicated editor, who's edits are usually of a high quality, and who has contributed alot of content to the wiki. I have been considering this user for a staff position for a long time; and I previously assigned him the trusted user flag. MrLVD, If you have noticed that I revert some of your edits more often than I do other users, its not because I think that you're a ''bad'' user - In fact, its quite the opposite: As I have been considering you for a staff position, I have been watching alot of your edits. However, I agree with Montario that this user needs to consider why someone has reverted his edits. This is as simple as reading the edit summary. If he disagrees with the revert, then he should discuss it, rather than simply change it back.

JFletcher: /* Comments by User:JFletcher */

2011-08-10T10:07:31Z

Comments by User:JFletcher

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	I agree with the general flow of the discussion so far. MrLVD is a dedicated editor, who's edits are usually of a high quality, and who has contributed alot of content to the wiki. I have been considering this user for a staff position for a long time; and I previously assigned him the trusted user flag. MrLVD, If you have noticed that I revert some of your edits more often than I do other users, its not because I think that you're a ''bad'' user - In fact, its quite the opposite: As I have been considering you for a staff position, I have been watching alot of your edits. However, I agree with Montario that this user needs to consider why someone has reverted his edits. This is as simple as reading the edit summary. If he disagrees with the revert, then he should discuss it, rather than simply change it back.		I agree with the general flow of the discussion so far. MrLVD is a dedicated editor, who's edits are usually of a high quality, and who has contributed alot of content to the wiki. I have been considering this user for a staff position for a long time; and I previously assigned him the trusted user flag. MrLVD, If you have noticed that I revert some of your edits more often than I do other users, its not because I think that you're a ''bad'' user - In fact, its quite the opposite: As I have been considering you for a staff position, I have been watching alot of your edits. However, I agree with Montario that this user needs to consider why someone has reverted his edits. This is as simple as reading the edit summary. If he disagrees with the revert, then he should discuss it, rather than simply change it back.

	Overall, I am happy to see MrLVD become an Inspector while he continues to develop his knowledge of the wiki. I believe that he would be sufficient in this role, as he certainly has a good enough understanding of the wiki for patrolling rights and page moves. An eventual administrator promotion seems definite. '''[[User:JFletcher\|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher\|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 11:04, 10 August 2011 (BST)		Overall, I would be happy to see MrLVD become an Inspector while he continues to develop his knowledge of the wiki. I believe that he would be sufficient in this role, as he certainly has a good enough understanding of the wiki for patrolling rights and page moves. An eventual administrator promotion seems definite. '''[[User:JFletcher\|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher\|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 11:04, 10 August 2011 (BST)

	==Votes==		==Votes==

JFletcher: /* Comments */

2011-08-10T10:04:15Z

Comments

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	Yes, I am up to the challenge of being an Inspector of this Wiki.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:15, 10 August 2011 (BST)		Yes, I am up to the challenge of being an Inspector of this Wiki.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:15, 10 August 2011 (BST)

			==Comments by [[User:JFletcher]]==
			I agree with the general flow of the discussion so far. MrLVD is a dedicated editor, who's edits are usually of a high quality, and who has contributed alot of content to the wiki. I have been considering this user for a staff position for a long time; and I previously assigned him the trusted user flag. MrLVD, If you have noticed that I revert some of your edits more often than I do other users, its not because I think that you're a ''bad'' user - In fact, its quite the opposite: As I have been considering you for a staff position, I have been watching alot of your edits. However, I agree with Montario that this user needs to consider why someone has reverted his edits. This is as simple as reading the edit summary. If he disagrees with the revert, then he should discuss it, rather than simply change it back.

			Overall, I am happy to see MrLVD become an Inspector while he continues to develop his knowledge of the wiki. I believe that he would be sufficient in this role, as he certainly has a good enough understanding of the wiki for patrolling rights and page moves. An eventual administrator promotion seems definite. '''[[User:JFletcher\|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher\|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 11:04, 10 August 2011 (BST)

	==Votes==		==Votes==

MrLanceVanceDance: answered question

2011-08-10T06:15:37Z

answered question

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	At the moment, I can't promote you to administrator, but I think I would be happy to promote you to Inspector as a first step. This will mean you are responsible for checking other users' edits, and you have the rollback tool (instant [[Help:Reverting\|revert]]), and it gives you a prime opportunity to get stuck-in to the cleanup on this wiki. If you impress us, you can be promoted up to Administrator. Are you up for that challenge? [[User:Gboyers\|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 05:24, 10 August 2011 (BST)		At the moment, I can't promote you to administrator, but I think I would be happy to promote you to Inspector as a first step. This will mean you are responsible for checking other users' edits, and you have the rollback tool (instant [[Help:Reverting\|revert]]), and it gives you a prime opportunity to get stuck-in to the cleanup on this wiki. If you impress us, you can be promoted up to Administrator. Are you up for that challenge? [[User:Gboyers\|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 05:24, 10 August 2011 (BST)

			Yes, I am up to the challenge of being an Inspector of this Wiki.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:15, 10 August 2011 (BST)

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Gboyers: /* Comments */ +Comments

2011-08-10T04:24:32Z

Comments: +Comments

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	I'll give him another month before a renomination is made. - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:33, 10 August 2011 (BST)		I'll give him another month before a renomination is made. - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:33, 10 August 2011 (BST)

			===Comments by [[User:Gboyers]]===

			I agree with both comments above. MLVD has shown great promise and commitment to the wiki, and has shown himself a capable editor. However, I too have some concerns about the quality of some edits. The example stated above of adding unused images to articles, even when they added no value to the article, maybe shows either that he concentrated on one thing (using the images, without thinking about it), or simply that his idea of quality is different to ours. I am in two minds as to how to proceed here. I think MLVD would be a useful addition to the staff team, and could be trusted to carry out the role, but I would want to be more reassured that he will take the time to think things through and not be "blinkered" into one task.

			MLVD - the best thing I could suggest would be for you to take on a more active role in the ''cleanup'' of articles. Once we see that you can identify pages in need of help, decide what should/shouldn't be in them, and make them look good; then there is no reason for me not to promote you directly to administrator. Perhaps you can look through [[:Category:Cleanup]] and show us what you can do? But also - I'd want you to look at some good articles and try and copy our style, to help build up your knowledge of what is good/bad, and your instinct for what should/shouldn't be in articles. Feel free to ask lots of questions too, I'm happy to give you my opinion on whether you should do something or not, or how I think it should look.

			Most of all, every time you edit, I want you to stop, preview it, read the article, and decide whether it all makes sense and looks good. If it doesn't, either fix it or [[CT\|tag it]].

			At the moment, I can't promote you to administrator, but I think I would be happy to promote you to Inspector as a first step. This will mean you are responsible for checking other users' edits, and you have the rollback tool (instant [[Help:Reverting\|revert]]), and it gives you a prime opportunity to get stuck-in to the cleanup on this wiki. If you impress us, you can be promoted up to Administrator. Are you up for that challenge? [[User:Gboyers\|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 05:24, 10 August 2011 (BST)

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Gboyers: /* Questions */ Indenting

2011-08-10T04:11:56Z

Questions: Indenting

ZS: /* Votes */

2011-08-10T02:40:19Z

Votes

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	*See [[#Comments by ZS]] - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:38, 10 August 2011 (BST)		*See [[#Comments by ZS]]. He needs more time. - [[User:ZS\|ZS]] 03:38, 10 August 2011 (BST)

ZS: /* Comments by ZS */

2011-08-10T02:39:33Z

Comments by ZS

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	As recent as August 8, I had to examine every recent edit that he made on pages on vehicles because thumbnails of rear quarter views of specific renditions of vehicles were posted unnecessarily on article where the option to view them through a link would be enough, and because redundant images are also added when they add nothing to the topic in question (like [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Fort_Baxter_Air_Base&action=historysubmit&diff=323573&oldid=322437 Fort Baxter Air Base] for example); I've already notified him on the former, but I have yet to completely check his other edits from the same timeframe.		As recent as August 8, I had to examine every recent edit that he made on pages on vehicles because thumbnails of rear quarter views of specific renditions of vehicles were posted unnecessarily on article where the option to view them through a link would be enough, and because redundant images are also added when they add nothing to the topic in question (like [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Fort_Baxter_Air_Base&action=historysubmit&diff=323573&oldid=322437 Fort Baxter Air Base] for example); I've already notified him on the former, but I have yet to completely check his other edits from the same timeframe.

	There are also a few occasions when he amends or adds paragraphs or sections with poorer comprehension (i.e. [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Sunshine_Autos&diff=prev&oldid=323323 Sunshine Autos] or [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=PMP_600&action=historysubmit&diff=321710&oldid=308624 PMP 600]), which can be a pain to fix because he does add useful bits of information in the mix. The time spent checking for new bits of information in the new revision, ~~couple~~ with reversions to the previous composition and adjustments to take into account these new additions could distract other editors from concentrating on other tasks.		There are also a few occasions when he amends or adds paragraphs or sections with poorer comprehension (i.e. [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Sunshine_Autos&diff=prev&oldid=323323 Sunshine Autos] or [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=PMP_600&action=historysubmit&diff=321710&oldid=308624 PMP 600]), which can be a pain to fix because he does add useful bits of information in the mix. The time spent checking for new bits of information in the new revision, coupled with reversions to the previous composition and adjustments to take into account these new additions could distract other editors from concentrating on other tasks.

	I'm not against MrLanceVanceDance's eventual promotion. In fact, he has shown a lot of potential, and it would be great to have an extra hand seeing as there are only a few ardent staff members here. But he needs little more time familiarizing himself with this wiki's manual of style and quality assurance, and sharpening his writing skills; his feedback to this nomination demonstrates that he's willing to do so, so I'm confident that he'll make a good addition to the team.		I'm not against MrLanceVanceDance's eventual promotion. In fact, he has shown a lot of potential, and it would be great to have an extra hand seeing as there are only a few ardent staff members here. But he needs little more time familiarizing himself with this wiki's manual of style and quality assurance, and sharpening his writing skills; his feedback to this nomination demonstrates that he's willing to do so, so I'm confident that he'll make a good addition to the team.

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	What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here?		What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here?

	The rules and copyright policies are the hardest part of the wiki to get the hang of. Adding links and categories is also something hard for new users. However, it is all about practice; the more the user edits on this wiki, the more fluent and good at editing they become, myself being an example.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)		:The rules and copyright policies are the hardest part of the wiki to get the hang of. Adding links and categories is also something hard for new users. However, it is all about practice; the more the user edits on this wiki, the more fluent and good at editing they become, myself being an example.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)

	Becoming staff isn't a reward for good edits, it's a job and a respoinsibility. How do you feel you could help us, and why should we promote you to become a Moderator?		Becoming staff isn't a reward for good edits, it's a job and a respoinsibility. How do you feel you could help us, and why should we promote you to become a Moderator?

	I wish to be promoted to Administrator because that way, I can delete unneccessary pages and/or images, move pages and merge pages which are things a normal user cannot do. Also, sometimes articles have a "Proposed Deletion" tag, "Spam" tag, "Merge" tag and/or "Move" tag inserted, but they are ignored for a large amount of time. If I was promoted to Administrator, those before mentioned problems will be a thing of the past. Also, I think I am ready to take my edits and contributions to the Wiki another step higher. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)		:I wish to be promoted to Administrator because that way, I can delete unneccessary pages and/or images, move pages and merge pages which are things a normal user cannot do. Also, sometimes articles have a "Proposed Deletion" tag, "Spam" tag, "Merge" tag and/or "Move" tag inserted, but they are ignored for a large amount of time. If I was promoted to Administrator, those before mentioned problems will be a thing of the past. Also, I think I am ready to take my edits and contributions to the Wiki another step higher. --[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)


	Are there any little [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks\|tasks]], jobs or vendettas you perform around the wiki that you are particularly proud of?		Are there any little [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks\|tasks]], jobs or vendettas you perform around the wiki that you are particularly proud of?

	I am proud of everything I have done for this wiki, although to be specific, I am proud of all the new articles that I have created for the Wiki and for all the times I found an unused image a home (an article in which the image relates to).--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)		:I am proud of everything I have done for this wiki, although to be specific, I am proud of all the new articles that I have created for the Wiki and for all the times I found an unused image a home (an article in which the image relates to).--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)

	Could you give one example of what you think is one of the best pages on this wiki, and a brief explanation of why you chose that. It should probably be an informational article, but you could use a list or category or similar if you explain why.		Could you give one example of what you think is one of the best pages on this wiki, and a brief explanation of why you chose that. It should probably be an informational article, but you could use a list or category or similar if you explain why.

	I think one of the best pages on this wiki is the [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era]] page. It is neat, tidy, unbaised and has good images.		:I think one of the best pages on this wiki is the [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era]] page. It is neat, tidy, unbaised and has good images. [[LCPD in GTA IV Era]] is also a good page.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)
	[[LCPD in GTA IV Era]] is also a good page.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)

	Do you have any questions about the wiki, its staff or the role of a Moderator, or any final comments before we make our decision?		Do you have any questions about the wiki, its staff or the role of a Moderator, or any final comments before we make our decision?

	If you copy content from Wikia's GTA Wiki, do you have to provide attribution? (I am not going to obtain information from the other wiki if it is illegal, unlike WikisEditor from Wikia.)--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)		:If you copy content from Wikia's GTA Wiki, do you have to provide attribution? (I am not going to obtain information from the other wiki if it is illegal, unlike WikisEditor from Wikia.)--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance\|MrLanceVanceDance]] 07:52, 9 August 2011 (BST)

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