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		<title>Gta-mysteries: /* Name Change */</title>
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		<updated>2010-03-08T08:19:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Name Change&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 08:19, 8 March 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l11&quot;&gt;Line 11:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Name Change ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Name Change ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hardrock182 - I understand your suggestion of renaming [[Dukes]] to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Dukes, Liberty City&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, but there are a couple of issues. Firstly, the actual name of the place is &quot;Dukes&quot;, and it is known as &quot;Dukes&quot; so we should try to stick to those as closely as possible. Secondly, the name move would just make it more awkward and complicated to use this page (eg linking to it). In all, I just think it is unnecessary. If you think that it isn&#039;t obvious enough that Dukes is in Liberty City (in IV era), then I&#039;m sure you can figure out another way of explaining that? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;EDIT: The [[Dukes (car)]] is much less important than the borough, which is why this page keeps the normal name [[Dukes]] and the other one is forced to change. If they were equally important, then we would make a disambiguation page (like [[Liberty City]]). What about moving [[Dukes (car)]] to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Imponte Dukes&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;? We&#039;ve never done that before, but it&#039;s theoretically possible.  [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hardrock182 - I understand your suggestion of renaming [[Dukes]] to Dukes, Liberty City, but there are a couple of issues. Firstly, the actual name of the place is &quot;Dukes&quot;, and it is known as &quot;Dukes&quot; so we should try to stick to those as closely as possible. Secondly, the name move would just make it more awkward and complicated to use this page (eg linking to it). In all, I just think it is unnecessary. If you think that it isn&#039;t obvious enough that Dukes is in Liberty City (in IV era), then I&#039;m sure you can figure out another way of explaining that? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;EDIT: The [[Dukes (car)]] is much less important than the borough, which is why this page keeps the normal name [[Dukes]] and the other one is forced to change. If they were equally important, then we would make a disambiguation page (like [[Liberty City]]). What about moving [[Dukes (car)]] to Imponte Dukes? We&#039;ve never done that before, but it&#039;s theoretically possible.  [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Considering what you said, it probably &#039;&#039;would&#039;&#039; make more sense to move [[Dukes (car)]] to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Imponte Dukes&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;. - [[User:Hardrock182|Hardrock182]] 18:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Considering what you said, it probably &#039;&#039;would&#039;&#039; make more sense to move [[Dukes (car)]] to Imponte Dukes. - [[User:Hardrock182|Hardrock182]] 18:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Police (car)&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Imponte Dukes&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/del&gt;, so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &quot;Duke&quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not Police (car)), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than Imponte Dukes, so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &quot;Duke&quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&amp;#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&amp;#039;s very direct and effective in describing the topic. &amp;quot;Imponte Dukes&amp;quot; isn&amp;#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&amp;#039;s article, and not all gamers will even know what &amp;quot;Imponte&amp;quot; is. Plus the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, not to mention the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&amp;#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&amp;#039;s very direct and effective in describing the topic. &amp;quot;Imponte Dukes&amp;quot; isn&amp;#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&amp;#039;s article, and not all gamers will even know what &amp;quot;Imponte&amp;quot; is. Plus the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, not to mention the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Gta-mysteries</name></author>
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		<title>gtw&gt;Um2k9: /* East Island? */ new section</title>
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		<updated>2009-10-06T16:57:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;East Island?: &lt;/span&gt; new section&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:57, 6 October 2009&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l20&quot;&gt;Line 20:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== East Island? ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I was just thinking that if East Island City is based on Long Island City should the island with Dukes and Broker be called East Island?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>gtw&gt;Um2k9</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44955&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>ZS: /* Name Change */</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:30:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Name Change&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a &lt;/del&gt;very direct and effective in describing the topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers will even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. Plus the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, not to mention the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s very direct and effective in describing the topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers will even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. Plus the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, not to mention the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>ZS</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44954&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>ZS at 20:28, 2 June 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:28:50Z</updated>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l17&quot;&gt;Line 17:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;won&#039;t &lt;/del&gt;even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Not to mention &lt;/del&gt;the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;and &lt;/del&gt;the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s a very direct and effective in describing &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the &lt;/ins&gt;topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;will &lt;/ins&gt;even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Plus &lt;/ins&gt;the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;not to mention &lt;/ins&gt;the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&amp;#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;Dukes (car)&amp;quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>ZS</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44953&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>ZS at 20:27, 2 June 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:27:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l19&quot;&gt;Line 19:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&amp;#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&amp;#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic. &amp;quot;Imponte Dukes&amp;quot; isn&amp;#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&amp;#039;s article, and not all gamers won&amp;#039;t even know what &amp;quot;Imponte&amp;quot; is. Not to mention the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, and the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I don&amp;#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&amp;#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic. &amp;quot;Imponte Dukes&amp;quot; isn&amp;#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&amp;#039;s article, and not all gamers won&amp;#039;t even know what &amp;quot;Imponte&amp;quot; is. Not to mention the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, and the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;/&lt;/del&gt;s&amp;gt;I&#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;s&amp;gt; The &quot;Dukes (car)&quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;I&#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&amp;lt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;/&lt;/ins&gt;s&amp;gt; The &quot;Dukes (car)&quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>ZS: Oh FFS.</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:27:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Oh FFS.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l17&quot;&gt;Line 17:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I&#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]]. The &quot;Dukes (car)&quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers won&#039;t even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. Not to mention the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, and the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;I&#039;ve voiced similar views of the matter in [[Talk:Dukes (car)]].&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;s&amp;gt; &lt;/ins&gt;The &quot;Dukes (car)&quot; disambiguation works well enough, and using manufacturer brands in the name will only confuse readers even more. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>ZS</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44951&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>ZS at 20:25, 2 June 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:25:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 20:25, 2 June 2009&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l17&quot;&gt;Line 17:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 17:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;don&lt;/del&gt;&#039;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;t see any problem with &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;current name (&lt;/del&gt;[[Dukes (car)]]&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;); it&#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic&lt;/del&gt;. &quot;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Imponte &lt;/del&gt;Dukes&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the &lt;/del&gt;car&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;s article, and not all gamers won&#039;t even know what &quot;Imponte&lt;/del&gt;&quot; &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is. Not to mention the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing&lt;/del&gt;, and &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;the confusion this might create during arrangements &lt;/del&gt;in &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;articles, lists and categories. Stick to &lt;/del&gt;the &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;current &lt;/del&gt;name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;21&lt;/del&gt;, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I&#039;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;ve voiced similar views of &lt;/ins&gt;the &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;matter in &lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Talk:&lt;/ins&gt;Dukes (car)]]. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The &lt;/ins&gt;&quot;Dukes &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(&lt;/ins&gt;car&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;)&lt;/ins&gt;&quot; &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;disambiguation works well enough&lt;/ins&gt;, and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;using manufacturer brands &lt;/ins&gt;in the name &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;will only confuse readers even more&lt;/ins&gt;. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;25&lt;/ins&gt;, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>ZS</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44950&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Gboyers: /* Name Change */ imported comment from Talk:Dukes (car)</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T20:23:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Name Change: &lt;/span&gt; imported comment from &lt;a href=&quot;/Talk:Dukes_(car)&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Dukes (car)&quot;&gt;Talk:Dukes (car)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;But would we then have to move &amp;#039;&amp;#039;all&amp;#039;&amp;#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&amp;#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &amp;quot;Duke&amp;quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:I don&#039;t see any problem with the current name ([[Dukes (car)]]); it&#039;s a very direct and effective in describing topic. &quot;Imponte Dukes&quot; isn&#039;t what most people would think of when searching for the car&#039;s article, and not all gamers won&#039;t even know what &quot;Imponte&quot; is. Not to mention the new title sounds very geekish and too absorbed in in-universe writing, and the confusion this might create during arrangements in articles, lists and categories. Stick to the current name. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Gboyers</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44949&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Gboyers: /* Name Change */</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T19:58:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Name Change&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Considering what you said, it probably &amp;#039;&amp;#039;would&amp;#039;&amp;#039; make more sense to move [[Dukes (car)]] to [[Imponte Dukes]]. - [[User:Hardrock182|Hardrock182]] 18:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Considering what you said, it probably &amp;#039;&amp;#039;would&amp;#039;&amp;#039; make more sense to move [[Dukes (car)]] to [[Imponte Dukes]]. - [[User:Hardrock182|Hardrock182]] 18:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;But would we then have to move &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; cars to include their manufacturers name? Notice how we use [[Police Car]] (not [[Police (car)]]), because it is easier to remember and use, whilst still being accurate? Words in brackets are something I want to avoid on this wiki, unless we absolutely have to. But thinking about it, more people would remember [[Dukes (car)]] than [[Imponte Dukes]], so even though I hate brackets in titles, it&#039;s probably still the best option here. If it was the &quot;Duke&quot; that would make our life so much easier! [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 19:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Gboyers</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Dukes&amp;diff=44948&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>gtw&gt;Hardrock182: /* Name Change */</title>
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		<updated>2009-06-02T18:51:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Name Change&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 18:51, 2 June 2009&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l12&quot;&gt;Line 12:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hardrock182 - I understand your suggestion of renaming [[Dukes]] to [[Dukes, Liberty City]], but there are a couple of issues. Firstly, the actual name of the place is &amp;quot;Dukes&amp;quot;, and it is known as &amp;quot;Dukes&amp;quot; so we should try to stick to those as closely as possible. Secondly, the name move would just make it more awkward and complicated to use this page (eg linking to it). In all, I just think it is unnecessary. If you think that it isn&amp;#039;t obvious enough that Dukes is in Liberty City (in IV era), then I&amp;#039;m sure you can figure out another way of explaining that? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;EDIT: The [[Dukes (car)]] is much less important than the borough, which is why this page keeps the normal name [[Dukes]] and the other one is forced to change. If they were equally important, then we would make a disambiguation page (like [[Liberty City]]). What about moving [[Dukes (car)]] to [[Imponte Dukes]]? We&amp;#039;ve never done that before, but it&amp;#039;s theoretically possible.  [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hardrock182 - I understand your suggestion of renaming [[Dukes]] to [[Dukes, Liberty City]], but there are a couple of issues. Firstly, the actual name of the place is &amp;quot;Dukes&amp;quot;, and it is known as &amp;quot;Dukes&amp;quot; so we should try to stick to those as closely as possible. Secondly, the name move would just make it more awkward and complicated to use this page (eg linking to it). In all, I just think it is unnecessary. If you think that it isn&amp;#039;t obvious enough that Dukes is in Liberty City (in IV era), then I&amp;#039;m sure you can figure out another way of explaining that? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;EDIT: The [[Dukes (car)]] is much less important than the borough, which is why this page keeps the normal name [[Dukes]] and the other one is forced to change. If they were equally important, then we would make a disambiguation page (like [[Liberty City]]). What about moving [[Dukes (car)]] to [[Imponte Dukes]]? We&amp;#039;ve never done that before, but it&amp;#039;s theoretically possible.  [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Considering what you said, it probably &#039;&#039;would&#039;&#039; make more sense to move [[Dukes (car)]] to [[Imponte Dukes]]. - [[User:Hardrock182|Hardrock182]] 18:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>gtw&gt;Hardrock182</name></author>
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