User talk:Sukhoi-35BM - Revision history

A-Dust at 15:24, 29 January 2013

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JFletcher: /* Signing Posts */

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Signing Posts

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	Hello! Just as a quick reminder, you can sign your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes to the end of your post: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Happy editing! :-)		Hello! Just as a quick reminder, you can sign your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes to the end of your post: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Happy editing! :-)
			:Not only can you sign posts, I ask that you do, it makes things ALOT easier for other users to track you down. Thanks! '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever\|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

	== Quickie reminder ==		== Quickie reminder ==

	Someonw screwed up your entire talk page. It was filled with truckloads of spam, which is pretty wierd on how did he got against you. Just to let you know that I am new here, and this is my first time I saved your talk page. Don't worry, I undid everything ;). Your talk page is saved. [[User:Captain Seven-Twenty\|Captain Seven-Twenty]] 20:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)		Someonw screwed up your entire talk page. It was filled with truckloads of spam, which is pretty wierd on how did he got against you. Just to let you know that I am new here, and this is my first time I saved your talk page. Don't worry, I undid everything ;). Your talk page is saved. [[User:Captain Seven-Twenty\|Captain Seven-Twenty]] 20:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

gtw>Captain Seven-Twenty: /* Signing Posts */

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Signing Posts

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	Hello! Just as a quick reminder, you can sign your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes to the end of your post: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Happy editing! :-)		Hello! Just as a quick reminder, you can sign your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes to the end of your post: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Happy editing! :-)

			== Quickie reminder ==

			Someonw screwed up your entire talk page. It was filled with truckloads of spam, which is pretty wierd on how did he got against you. Just to let you know that I am new here, and this is my first time I saved your talk page. Don't worry, I undid everything ;). Your talk page is saved. [[User:Captain Seven-Twenty\|Captain Seven-Twenty]] 20:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

gtw>Captain Seven-Twenty: Undo revision 62820 by MetaCracken (talk) Jesus christ man...

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Undo revision 62820 by MetaCracken (talk) Jesus christ man...

What changes will this make?

gtw>MetaCracken at 20:42, 19 October 2008

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What changes will this make?

Eganio: /* Signing Posts */ new section

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Signing Posts: new section

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	Being a moderator does not give you a license to be pretentious.		Being a moderator does not give you a license to be pretentious.

			== Signing Posts ==

			Hello! Just as a quick reminder, you can sign your posts on talk pages by adding four tildes to the end of your post: <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. Happy editing! :-)

gtw>Sukhoi-35BM at 21:36, 4 August 2008

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	:No, a stranger to sarcasm I am not, and your sardonic reply did not go unnoticed. However, I don't think this is the time or place to be sarcastic, considering the circumstances, which is why I did not respond directly to your petulance. If you're attempting to approach this with a sense of humor, that's great...I just hope you will apply the same sense of humor to your future dealings with [[User:MetaCracken\|MetaCracken]] and other editors. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)		:No, a stranger to sarcasm I am not, and your sardonic reply did not go unnoticed. However, I don't think this is the time or place to be sarcastic, considering the circumstances, which is why I did not respond directly to your petulance. If you're attempting to approach this with a sense of humor, that's great...I just hope you will apply the same sense of humor to your future dealings with [[User:MetaCracken\|MetaCracken]] and other editors. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

			Being a moderator does not give you a license to be pretentious.

Eganio: /* Debate */

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Debate

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	[[User:Sukhoi-35BM\|WS]] 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I guess you're a stranger to sarcasm.		[[User:Sukhoi-35BM\|WS]] 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I guess you're a stranger to sarcasm.

	:No, a stranger to sarcasm I am not, and your sardonic reply did not go unnoticed. However, I don't think this is the time or place to be sarcastic, considering the circumstances, which is why I did not respond directly to your ~~petulant reply~~. If you're attempting to approach this with a sense of humor, that's great...I just hope you will apply the same sense of humor to your future dealings with [[User:MetaCracken\|MetaCracken]] and other editors. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)		:No, a stranger to sarcasm I am not, and your sardonic reply did not go unnoticed. However, I don't think this is the time or place to be sarcastic, considering the circumstances, which is why I did not respond directly to your petulance. If you're attempting to approach this with a sense of humor, that's great...I just hope you will apply the same sense of humor to your future dealings with [[User:MetaCracken\|MetaCracken]] and other editors. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Eganio: Reply.

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Reply.

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	[[User:Sukhoi-35BM\|WS]] 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I guess you're a stranger to sarcasm.		[[User:Sukhoi-35BM\|WS]] 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I guess you're a stranger to sarcasm.

			:No, a stranger to sarcasm I am not, and your sardonic reply did not go unnoticed. However, I don't think this is the time or place to be sarcastic, considering the circumstances, which is why I did not respond directly to your petulant reply. If you're attempting to approach this with a sense of humor, that's great...I just hope you will apply the same sense of humor to your future dealings with [[User:MetaCracken\|MetaCracken]] and other editors. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

gtw>Sukhoi-35BM at 13:25, 3 August 2008

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	::Grammar is certainly something that should be corrected where necessary. However, the very reason I left you the above message was ''not'' due to issues over grammatical corrections. Rather, the issue at hand is, and continues to be, a lack of composure when dealing with conflict over edits. You will disagree with other editors...it is inevitable. It is the manner in which you handle your disagreements that is in need of adjustment. Again, I applaud you for your contributions. Just please keep in mind that we are a community, and being a member of a such a community begs a more delicate approach to dealing with other editors. Remember, as knowledgeable as you obviously are, aircraft is '''not''' specifically yours. Give other people the chance to defend what you find to be irrelevant or incorrect before you remove it in its entirety. Don't you expect other editors to afford you the same courtesy? '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)		::Grammar is certainly something that should be corrected where necessary. However, the very reason I left you the above message was ''not'' due to issues over grammatical corrections. Rather, the issue at hand is, and continues to be, a lack of composure when dealing with conflict over edits. You will disagree with other editors...it is inevitable. It is the manner in which you handle your disagreements that is in need of adjustment. Again, I applaud you for your contributions. Just please keep in mind that we are a community, and being a member of a such a community begs a more delicate approach to dealing with other editors. Remember, as knowledgeable as you obviously are, aircraft is '''not''' specifically yours. Give other people the chance to defend what you find to be irrelevant or incorrect before you remove it in its entirety. Don't you expect other editors to afford you the same courtesy? '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

			[[User:Sukhoi-35BM\|WS]] 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC) I guess you're a stranger to sarcasm.

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	I appreciate you letting me know about this, however please don't argue on encyclopaedia pages. The articles are supposed to contain basic fact and description, not disguised arguments or "please look at this". If you disagree with another editor, that doesn't automatically make you right and him wrong. If you disagree, '''discuss''' it on the talk page, instead of just editing and re-editing the page.		I appreciate you letting me know about this, however please don't argue on encyclopaedia pages. The articles are supposed to contain basic fact and description, not disguised arguments or "please look at this". If you disagree with another editor, that doesn't automatically make you right and him wrong. If you disagree, '''discuss''' it on the talk page, instead of just editing and re-editing the page.

	I have edited the article to say it could be either the Mustang or the Hawker, and I request that this is NOT changed until you are both in agreement. I strongly suggest you start a discussion on the talk page, and include an image of both planes, so that it can be agreed. Do not edit the page until you are in agreement. If you never agree, then leave the page as it is. If you have any other issues, please discuss them on my talk page or on [[IRC]]. Thanks - [[~~w:c:gta:~~User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 16:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)		I have edited the article to say it could be either the Mustang or the Hawker, and I request that this is NOT changed until you are both in agreement. I strongly suggest you start a discussion on the talk page, and include an image of both planes, so that it can be agreed. Do not edit the page until you are in agreement. If you never agree, then leave the page as it is. If you have any other issues, please discuss them on my talk page or on [[IRC]]. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 16:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I just shortened the article to remove opinion. I asked you to leave both possible planes there until we were all in agreement, yet you still remove the one you believe is wrong. I have now locked that article to prevent this argument continuing on that page. Let me point out the issue here: you may be absolutely sure it is a Mustang, but he is also absolutely sure it is a Tempest. How do I know who is right just from that? Please discuss the article on [[Talk:Rustler]], and include images for that side-by-side comparison you mentioned. Then I will decide which one to display on the article, or whether to leave both to prevent this fight. [[~~w:c:gta:~~User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 16:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)		:I just shortened the article to remove opinion. I asked you to leave both possible planes there until we were all in agreement, yet you still remove the one you believe is wrong. I have now locked that article to prevent this argument continuing on that page. Let me point out the issue here: you may be absolutely sure it is a Mustang, but he is also absolutely sure it is a Tempest. How do I know who is right just from that? Please discuss the article on [[Talk:Rustler]], and include images for that side-by-side comparison you mentioned. Then I will decide which one to display on the article, or whether to leave both to prevent this fight. [[User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 16:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

	==Just a little comment==		==Just a little comment==
	Hi, Sukhoi-35BM, and welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! First of all, I'd like to thank you for all the hard work you've put in here in our community in the last couple of months. However, I feel as though I need to explain the way our wiki works. There is no section that belongs to any editor, and telling another editor to "lay off" a particular section is not good etiquette. If an editor makes an edit that you disagree with, the appropriate course of action is to begin a dialog on the talk page of that article, rather than sending the editor a message claiming that the entire section belongs to you. This wiki is a collaborative effort, so although you may have extensive "knowledge on the subject", it is in bad taste to disregard another editor's efforts to improve the wiki. In the future, please try to have a civil conversation in response to disagreements. We appreciate all efforts by all editors; however, claiming ownership of specific articles or sections is something that will not be tolerated. Once again, thanks for all your hard work, and most importantly, have fun! --[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 22:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)		Hi, Sukhoi-35BM, and welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! First of all, I'd like to thank you for all the hard work you've put in here in our community in the last couple of months. However, I feel as though I need to explain the way our wiki works. There is no section that belongs to any editor, and telling another editor to "lay off" a particular section is not good etiquette. If an editor makes an edit that you disagree with, the appropriate course of action is to begin a dialog on the talk page of that article, rather than sending the editor a message claiming that the entire section belongs to you. This wiki is a collaborative effort, so although you may have extensive "knowledge on the subject", it is in bad taste to disregard another editor's efforts to improve the wiki. In the future, please try to have a civil conversation in response to disagreements. We appreciate all efforts by all editors; however, claiming ownership of specific articles or sections is something that will not be tolerated. Once again, thanks for all your hard work, and most importantly, have fun! --[[User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 22:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

	==Blocked==		==Blocked==
	I hate to have to do this, but you have given me no other option. [[User:Eganio\|Eganio]] is one of the [[Administrator]]s on this wiki, so it is his responsibility to tell people "how to act". If you are acting inappropriately, it is within his rights to correct you, and being an admin, he is actually ''expected'' to do so. This account will now be blocked for the next 3 days. When this block expires, I expect you to adjust your behavior to be respectful to all other editors. Please consider enhancing not only the content of this wiki, but the community that helps to build it. --[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 00:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)		I hate to have to do this, but you have given me no other option. [[User:Eganio\|Eganio]] is one of the [[Administrator]]s on this wiki, so it is his responsibility to tell people "how to act". If you are acting inappropriately, it is within his rights to correct you, and being an admin, he is actually ''expected'' to do so. This account will now be blocked for the next 3 days. When this block expires, I expect you to adjust your behavior to be respectful to all other editors. Please consider enhancing not only the content of this wiki, but the community that helps to build it. --[[User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 00:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

	==In response to your e-mail==		==In response to your e-mail==
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	*"perhaps better selection of admins is necessary":		*"perhaps better selection of admins is necessary":
	:I am sorry you feel this way, and I hope my explanations have eased your concerns regarding my suitability for the position. If after this block has expired, you still feel the same way, I invite you to begin a ''civil'' conversation to see if any other editors feel the same way.		:I am sorry you feel this way, and I hope my explanations have eased your concerns regarding my suitability for the position. If after this block has expired, you still feel the same way, I invite you to begin a ''civil'' conversation to see if any other editors feel the same way.
	Please do not hesitate to let me know if you have any other concerns. --[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 03:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)		Please do not hesitate to let me know if you have any other concerns. --[[User:GuildKnight\|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight\|Talk2me]]</sup> 03:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

	== Talk Pages ==		== Talk Pages ==

	Hi there. Just wanted to point out that "Talk" pages are the best place to discuss an article. For example, if discussing the [[~~AT400~~]], discuss it on [[Talk:~~AT400~~]] rather than the board or talk page of an individual user. This keeps all the discussion together (rather than swapping between your board and their board); and means that anyone else can join in the discussion. Makes life easier for everyone, and let more people help out. Also, if you explain on the talk page why you're making a change, then people can just read that and know, rather than having to ask you. Then if they disagree, they can discuss it right there, on the same page, right next to the main article. Makes things a lot simpler for everyone. Thanks - [[~~w:c:gta:~~User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[~~:w:c:gta:~~User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 03:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)		Hi there. Just wanted to point out that "Talk" pages are the best place to discuss an article. For example, if discussing the [[AT-400]], discuss it on [[Talk:AT-400]] rather than the board or talk page of an individual user. This keeps all the discussion together (rather than swapping between your board and their board); and means that anyone else can join in the discussion. Makes life easier for everyone, and let more people help out. Also, if you explain on the talk page why you're making a change, then people can just read that and know, rather than having to ask you. Then if they disagree, they can discuss it right there, on the same page, right next to the main article. Makes things a lot simpler for everyone. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers\|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers\|talk]]</sup> 03:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

	:Along these lines, I have protected the [[Rustler]] article, as edit warring has resumed, despite the fact that the article was previously protected for the same reason. Please discuss design aspects of the plane on the [[Talk:Rustler\|talk page]], as there may very well be other editors who would like to add their points of view. Because there seem to be many things in contention, it is best to discuss them, rather than revert each other's edits, which gets us nowhere. Our goal is to improve the wiki, which ''must'' involve discussion and consensus, especially on such contentious issues. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to [[User talk:Eganio\|contact me]]. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 23:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)		:Along these lines, I have protected the [[Rustler]] article, as edit warring has resumed, despite the fact that the article was previously protected for the same reason. Please discuss design aspects of the plane on the [[Talk:Rustler\|talk page]], as there may very well be other editors who would like to add their points of view. Because there seem to be many things in contention, it is best to discuss them, rather than revert each other's edits, which gets us nowhere. Our goal is to improve the wiki, which ''must'' involve discussion and consensus, especially on such contentious issues. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to [[User talk:Eganio\|contact me]]. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. '''[[User:Eganio\|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio\|Talk]]''</sup>''' 23:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)