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== Gripes about GTA IV ==
== Gripes about GTA IV ==


===Gameplay===
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Gameplay|Gameplay Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with gameplay mechanics and limitations.
{{Gripe}}Minor clothing items are removed during some cut scenes and missions. (glasses, hats)
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Vehicles|Vehicles Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with vehicles and related aspects of the game.
:{{Rebut}}This can be easily explained by Niko having ''manners''... i.e. he would remove his hat or glasses before speaking with someone.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Weapons|Weapons Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with weapons.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/In-game World|In-game World Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the in-game world of Liberty City.
{{Gripe}}Cars explode for the stupidest and unrealistic reasons, i.e. shooting the window of a car, shooting the roof.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Characters|Characters Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the characters of GTA IV and their personalities, etc.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Story|Story Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the storyline of GTA IV.
{{Gripe}}The ability to hang from a helicopter, shown in trailers, isn't seen ingame, nor is the ability to ride in limos.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Combat|Combat Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with combat mechanics and limitations.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Police|Police Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the Police, crime, wanted levels, and related aspects of the game.
{{Gripe}}The cover system is weird, and sometimes doesn't work correctly. Niko will take cover at a corner in plain sight of the enemy, instead of the other side.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Multiplayer|Multiplayer Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the multiplayer aspects of the game.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Cheat Codes|Cheat Codes Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the cheat codes system in GTA IV.  
{{Gripe}}No store hold ups for easy cash or burglary missions.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/GTA IV Episodes Gripes|Episodes Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with [[The Lost and Damned]] and [[The Ballad of Gay Tony]].
 
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{{Gripe}}You can't buy real estate like in San Andreas and Vice City.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't Own Businesses.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't do home invasion like in San Andreas.
:{{Rebut}} This isn't San Andreas.
::{{Gripe}} Still, it's stupid that you can't do something, so cool.
 
{{Gripe}}The Hand-to-Hand Combat is not as good as in San Andreas.
:{{Rebut}} Stated somewhere else, the hand-to-hant combat has a new purpose: subduing enemies that you aren't meant to kill.
 
{{Gripe}}Stealth kills as in San Andreas are no longer possible.
 
{{Gripe}}Cops somehow manage to stay alive even after multiple gunshots, and their weapons do more damage to the player.
 
{{Gripe}}The semicircle health/armor system is weak, and can't be upgraded like in San Andreas.
 
{{Gripe}}Even though Rockstar touted the game to have more interiors than SA, there are in fact less, as most of them are accessible for only one mission.
 
{{Gripe}}There aren't as many different clothing styles and options as there used to be, especially in San Andreas and theres very few "silly" options like mad hats and such.
:{{Rebut}} At least there are some! Compare GTA IV to its predecessors, except San Andreas, in terms of customizing your pro/antagonist. Also, GTA isn't exactly a 'silly' game.
 
{{Gripe}}Friends often call to do things at inconvenient times and are often on the other side of the city.
:{{Rebut}}Choose the sleep mode on your phone.
 
{{Gripe}}Friends don't give you enough time to get to their location before they become impatient.
:{{Rebut}}You can Hail a taxi, get in it, and do the auto ride feature which gets you there in a matter of seconds, or take a helicopter.
::{{Rebut}}Yea, the taxi actually takes you there faster than you drive to the destination yourself, just skip it. Jack a car and then go with your friend.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't evade  or outrun your wanted level in a helicopter.
:{{Rebut}} It's rather difficult to run away when everybody in the city can see you flying 200 meters up in a helicopter. Don't you think?
 
{{Gripe}}The camera angle is too low with no way to change it, I spend all my driving time holding UP, same as San Andreas.
:{{Rebut}} Try different camera angles to find the one you like.
::{{Gripe}}All of them are two low. The only two third person ones are two low to the ground and it is hard to see oncoming traffic/poles and stuff. The other two are cinematic and first person.
 
{{Gripe}}There is no riot cheat! No more chaos.
:{{Rebut}} As posted below somewhere, the cheat may be present, but no one's found it yet.
::{{Gripe}} Well, until then, that's -1 point for GTA IV.
 
{{Gripe}}Some missions are somewhat difficult to pass.
:{{Rebut}} Try harder.
 
{{Gripe}}Ordering items on TV or at Tw@ does not work. You can't even order vehicles by calling them, even though it says so at AutoErotiCar.com.
 
{{Gripe}}Destruction of buildings isn't featured.
:{{Rebut}} Destruction of buildings would permanently(?) alter the area, and make it difficult for normal activities or activities to occur.
 
{{Gripe}}No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
:{{Rebut}} Rockstar, I believe, was trying to make the game more realistic. It's like that in real life, too.
::{{Rebut}}Yes, especially in Star Junction, there are more cops in that area around than others. Plus the police ofcourse dispatches more cop cars around the radius to search for you.
 
{{Gripe}}You can longer respond to random comments either positively or negatively.
:{{Rebut}}  That was a minor feature, and its removal doesn't affect the game very much.
 
{{Gripe}}You must keep your 'friends' happy to retain their special perks. It would have been preferable to unlock their abilities once and then be left to the player to decide whether they wish to continue the 'friendship'.
:{{Rebut}} Don't you have to keep your friends happy in real life?
::{{Gripe}} But you don't drive them all over town like a soccer mom, especially if you are one of the most in demand hitmen in the city. Roman owns a car service business, yet needs to be picked up and dropped off everytime he wants to do anyting. The friends feature becomes irritating because it lacks realism.
 
{{Gripe}}Street Gang-Banging and generally street gang-related missions have been dramatically reduced, means, no point in shooting other gang members.
:{{Rebut}} Since Niko is not exactly in one of those 'gangs', I would see no point in earning anything for the deaths of gang members.
::{{Gripe}} The 5 families are crucial to the storyline. Niko is involved heavily with gangland violence in the story, yet outside of missions there is no evidence of any gangland tension. Once again this detracts from the realism of the game. For example; Niko kills 10+ members of the Pavano family, yet there is no consequence what so ever. He can walk into the same mob owned car dealership he has just blown up hours before and nobody recognises him. This badly affects the attempted realism in other areas of the game. 
 
{{Gripe}}Only 9 street races available and difficult to access them through the phone system.
:{{Rebut}} GTA is not exactly a 'racing game'. The racing missions are practically just mini games, save for when they affect the storyline.
 
{{Gripe}}No special races that unlock special cars (like Destruction Derby).
::{{Rebut}}There are also other mini-games that earn you special vehicles.
 
{{Gripe}}With so little to buy '''Money is worthless'''.
:{{Rebut}} You have guns to buy, don't you?
::{{Gripe}}After you complete steve's missions you can sell cars as often as you want, even spawning them and selling them getting you hundreds of thousands of dollars that for all purposes are still worthless.
:::{{Rebut}}Don't bother, kill yourself, get into 6 star chases, die, give some money to the hospital. Buy the rest of the clothes, enjoy your taxis and trains.
::::{{Gripe}}There is no need to buy guns because you can find them so easily.
:::::{{Gripe}} Given that entire storyline is underpinned by the pursuit of money, from the minute Niko gets off the boat to the deal or revenge option at the end. The fact that money plays such a small part in the game outside of the cut scenes hurts the games attempt to provide a realistic experience.  
 
{{Gripe}}No parachute.
:{{Rebut}} there are also, more or less, no aircrafts to jump out of at high altitudes.
::{{Rebut}}Plus the s'shoot' was quite boring to use anways.
 
{{Gripe}}Cops manage to shoot your tires out, even if you're going 100mph.
::{{Rebut}}And they have multiple cops firing lots of bullets to shoot your tires down to stop you from running away
 
{{Gripe}}Crashing on a motorcycle and bailing out of a car aren't fun anymore, and often result in death.
:{{Rebut}} once more, the game is meant to be more realistic.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't order cars from Stevie's garage once the text message missions he gives you are completed.
:{{Rebut}} That function was specifically for the aforementioned missions.
 
{{Gripe}}Combat is unrealistic and hard to attack people. You'll have to use weapons to kill them instead (not meleé ones).
:{{Rebut}} Hand-to-hand combat was meant to injure the victim, without killing him. It's useful for missions.
 
{{Gripe}}During shooting missions, you die very easily by shooters before you even run for cover. Enemies somewhat has great aiming, and [[Body Armor]] is highly recommended for hard missions.
:{{Rebut}} Once more, the game is meant to be more realistic. If you'd be facing down ten trained gunmen with nothing more than a few grenades and a pistol, do you think you would live?
 
{{Gripe}}Autosave may not happen all the time. Whenever you complete missions, you are forced to save the game manually instead of having the game to automatically save for you.
:{{Rebut}} Then try saving manually more often; You'll get used to it.
 
{{Gripe}}You cant fight the cops like in other GTA games.
:{{Rebut}} Actually, you can fight cops. Just take out your gun and shoot them. You also fight them in missions, like the Bank Heist.
::{{Gripe}}That's one of the worst ideas you posted on. If you take out a gun and shoot at the cop, you'll get 2 wanted star levels and more cops will swarm in and kill you. And if you attempt to fight a cop, he will easily arrest you and don't even bother holster a weapon. Cops will always shoot back anyways.
:::{{Rebut}}All cops attacked you in previous GTA IV games. And if you don't suck, then you are able to survive the cops with no problem. So yes, you can fight the cops.
::::{{Rebut}}And you can press A/X button if you are about to kneel down on the floor, gives you 2 star rating. Pretty realistic.
:::::{{Gripe}}But since the cops don't have night sticks, if you try to punch them, the will just shoot you.
{{Rebut}} Cops in real life carry guns, and if somebody came and tried to kill you then you would fight back.
 
{{Gripe}}The majority of the good cheats are gone (like chaos, citizens with weapons, cars fly away with hits etc etc etc).
:{{Rebut}}Rockstar never releases cheats they are found by the players most likely the same cheats are there, they just haven't been found yet.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 2 pairs of glasses in the whole game, and both of them are ugly.
:{{Rebut}} That's your opinion.
{{Gripe}}They are. Both are big "owl" style glasses from the 90s. No actual sunglasses or anything.
::{{Rebut}}I don't think that R* made this game just for the sake of different clothings you can buy for Niko.
 
{{Gripe}}Whenever you crash you go flying out of the windsheild.
:{{Rebut}}Well, the game designers are trying to be more close to reality.  I always found it to be extremely far-fetched that [[Claude]], [[Tommy Vercetti]], and [[Carl Johnson]] could slam into a brick wall at 100+ MPH and emerge without a scratch.
::{{Rebut}}Not EVERYTIME. Unless it's a high speed crash into an unmovable object(Pole for examples) You would fly out, but if you crashed slower or in a different angle, you would not fall out of the car.
 
===Vehicles===
{{Gripe}}There is no [[Tank]] in this game, nor are there airplanes.
:{{Rebut}}Tanks would be unrealistic, as the armed forces would not send a tank into New York City after a single man.  Airplanes would also be unrealistic because air-travel around New York City is extremely restricted, plus there's really not enough area to ''need'' air-travel.
::{{Gripe}} Tanks and airplanes are more realistic than being released from custody hours after being arrested for mass murder / terrorism. If ommisions are to be made for the sake of realism then there must be a level of consistency.  
 
{{Gripe}}There are no car mods or even simply choosing your paint color.
:{{Rebut}}There are special editions of cars. The Pay 'n Spray is suppose to be colour matching, but somehow they just did not do it. lol
 
{{Gripe}}The yellow boxes in front of safehouses are stupid and poorly made. Often AI traffic hits them as they're driving, causing the saved cars to disappear. Garages were much better and safer, and less chance of cars disappearing.
:{{Rebut}}Parking spaces are more likely of what you will have instead of a garage. Most preferrably a whole car park or something, but not a garage of your own in some poor old space. In Algonquin, probably, but it just wastes too much space of the area. It's simply what everyone will think in real life.
::{{Gripe}} In real life you would have a range of parking options. A garage, or parking space in a multi-deck or underground car park is more realistic, even valet parking. The fact that every safe house just happens to have the same yellow area out the front is just another thing that detracts from the realism. Especially given that in a lot of cases there are no other cars parked in the street. Where do the other residents in the building park?
 
{{Gripe}}No "R3" Missions for anything other than the police cruiser.
 
{{Gripe}}There are not enough special vehicles like golf carts, lawn mowers, and bicycles.
 
{{Gripe}}There are fewer cars in the game compared to San Andreas, and no fixed-wing aircraft available to the player.  Even though the city is smaller than [[GTA San Andreas]], the designers of the game shouldn't have lost more stuff than they put in, that includes Vehicles and Planes. Just a general mistake on behalf of rockstar
:{{Rebut}}No there are more cars in GTA IV then in San Andreas. More choices.
 
{{Gripe}}How the Voodoo was changed.
:{{Rebut}} That's your opinion.
::{{Gripe}} In my opinion, rockstar really blew-it by ruining a perfectly good muscle car with Hydraulics. Now, its just as useless as the perennial.  
 
{{Gripe}}You can't operate trains like in [[GTA San Andreas]].
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Hunter]] helicopter isn't here anymore.
:{{Rebut}}It's now replace with the [[Annihilator]] which is faster but lacks rockets.
 
{{Gripe}}When Niko steers the car in any direction, the steering wheel doesn't move at all, which left Rockstar Games no explanation to this problem.
:{{Rebut}}Atleast the car turns.
 
{{Gripe}}Airbags do not deploy on any vehicles when slammed head-on at high speeds.
:{{Rebut}}That just brings out the fun of the new physics engine, seeing Niko fly out of the car. Plus I don't really think that it really has to be this realistic. It would just ruin the fact that this is a GAME.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't attach trailers in the back of your truck like in [[GTA San Andreas]].
:{{Rebut}}What would you do exactly with a trailer on the back of your truck?
::{{Gripe}}Gas Tank trailers, Containers, Car Transporters, etc.
 
{{Gripe}}Brucie's helicopter is useless.  It would have been better if you could fly his helicopter yourself.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only two unique helicopters in the game, and only 1 of them is armed.
 
{{Gripe}}Rare vehicles aren't here anymore.
:{{Rebut}}There is a Sultan RS which is a rare car.  Also the Infernus is rare.
::{{Gripe}}Both cars are extremely rare and are only found online multiplayers. The [[Comet]] is nowhere to be seen again, which led me to a huge dissapointment, since the Comet is my favoirte car.
:::{{Rebut}}It depends on where you are looking for it and what you are driving at that time. You could always spawn your Comet using a cheat code(Which does not affect anything)
::::{{Gripe}}If you know the cheat for the Comet, then please send me a message.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't go fast when driving boats because even the smallest wave will completely slow you down.
:{{Rebut}}Use the left analog stick to judge the waves.  When a wave is coming towards you, push it down. This will raise the nose of the boat and will increase the speed of the boat.
 
{{Gripe}}No Hydraulics.
 
{{Gripe}}Some car names have been recycled for new cars and the names don't really make sense with the car they resemble anymore.
 
{{Gripe}}No remote controlled vehicles (rc-car/plane etc).
 
{{Gripe}}No gocart.
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Quad]] is absent.
:{{Rebut}}Not alot of people would be driving a Quad on the beach in NYC, wouldn't they.
 
{{Gripe}}Most vehicles are very rare like the [[Infernus]] which you get only one chance to own, and never see again.
:{{Rebut}}To see a rare car again, you have to use your own frequently.  On my completed game, I have FOUR Infernus-es.
::{{Gripe}}Iconic sports cars like the Stinger and Cheetah are nowhere to be found.
:::{{Rebut}}They've been replaced by cars like the Sultan RS and Feltzer.
 
{{Gripe}}Only 1 sportbike is in the game, while GTA:SA had about 6 or 7.
:{{Rebut}}There's the PCJ600, NRG900 and a suspecious bike NRG900RR
{{Gripe}}Theres several variations of the NRG900: NRG900, NRG900F, NRG900RR, but thats it. The PCJ600 is old and not as fast, and doesn't look like a sportbike.
:{{Rebut}} NRG 900, Zombie, PCJ600, Faggio
 
{{Gripe}}Roofs from vehicles doesn't get crushed when you roll over. There aren't any roll bars from any cars.
:{{Rebut}}Theres a roll cage in the Sultan RS. Also, the roof of a car is supposed to be a very protective part of a car.
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Dozer]] is gone, regardless on going into any construction sites.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 5 residential vehicle parking spaces, which means you are forced to store few of your favorite cars into the parking space, since [[Rockstar Games]] refused to explain why.
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{{Gripe}}There aren't enough 'realism' vehicles i.e. cement mixers, street sweepers, 'meter maids' etc - although not exactly amazing to look at or drive, they do add that extra touch of realism which would have fitted in with GTA IV's atmosphere perfectly.
 
{{Gripe}} You don't even have first person mode (without bug) in trains nor possibility to walk in trains.
 
===Weapons===
{{Gripe}}Ammo limits are really, really annoying.
:{{Rebut}}This is personal opinion.  Ammo limits are not so low that it's difficult to complete missions.  In fact, it's more than enough.
::{{Gripe}}What if you are confronted against FBIs and NOOSE patrol teams? If you're very low on ammo, then you're completely defenseless and then you die. Like in GTA SA, there were no ammo limits (you can store 900 rockets, have 7000 pistoms, SMGs, have 900 Flamethrower containers, etc.). Besides, Ammo limits are very humiliating.
:::{{Rebut}}After you beat the game the ammo limit is gone, you keep putting them in, after awhile it may saw you have 9999 of 30 for the machine gun but fire and reload and it says you still have 9999 of 30, ammo limit is removed with completion of the game.
::::{{Gripe}}Well, by the time the limit is gone, there won't be any real-good reason to utilise it. It would have been much better to just have it on while a person was going through the storyline missions and not after.
:::::{{Rebut}}I cannot imagine a person carrying 9999 bullets for atleast 6 guns. Imagine how many extra ammo bags and storage space you would need, carrying 8 rockets in your Perseus pocket is already quite rediculous, thats enough bullets for every gun.
 
{{Gripe}}There are not enough "special" weapons like the chainsaw, the golf club, the pool cue, or the fire extinguisher like there were in GTA San Andreas.
:{{Rebut}} If you check the page under features it explains why many of the weapons have been removed. link is here. [[Grand Theft Auto IV/Features]]
 
{{Gripe}}Weapons are now seen on top of buildings, which is harder to find.
 
{{Gripe}}[[Tear Gas]] and [[Satchel Bomb]] was removed.
 
{{Gripe}}RPG can only hold 8 rockets.
:{{Rebut}} In real life, an RPG does NOT hold two thousand rockets. Sorry.
 
{{Gripe}}Weapons stores are few and far between.
:{{Rebut}}That is explained in game by the mayor's "Crackdown" on weapons
 
{{Gripe}}Little Jacob doesn't sell all the weapons, so an expensive trip to the gun store is required.
:{{Rebut}}Later on in game he sells armor, rockets, m16 ammo, grenades etc.
{{Gripe}}True, but he doesn't sell Combat Pistol ammo, RPG ammo or regular shotgun ammo.
 
{{Gripe}}Dual-wielding weapons is no longer possible.
:{{Rebut}} In real life, would you be able to dual-wield a shotgun?
{{Gripe}}Maybe not a shotgun, but pistols are easily dual wieldable.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't use free-aim because the targeting reticule automatically locks on to pedestrians, so you'll have to use your [[Sniper Rifle]] to shoot pigeons. Even if you try and force the aiming reticule off of the pedestrians, it will simply lock on to another pedestrians, so there is no way to make the aiming reticule let you aim yourself.
:{{Rebut}}If you hold the aim trigger all the way down it targets a person, if you hold it part of the way down you can move the reticle around to aim how you please, like shooting through the winshield of a moving car to kill the driver.
 
{{Gripe}}Where is the [[fire extinguisher]]?
 
{{Gripe}}No one handed gun use.
 
===In-game World===
{{Gripe}}The airplanes at Francis International Airport are stuck in an eternal taxiing loop: they never take off, and no planes ever land, which detracts heavily from the purported realism of the game.
 
{{Gripe}}No random games like the off track betting, Pogo the monkey or other arcade games save from Qub3d.
:{{Rebut}}No, but the player can play pool or darts, or go bowling.  New games for a new game.
::{{Gripe}}True, but I prefer arcade games. They're much better than doing bowling or darts.
:::{{Rebut}}Play QUB3D
::::{{Gripe}}I'd rather play Duality, Go Go Space Monkey, and They Crawled from Uranus from [[GTA San Andreas]], rather than just one arcade game that [[Rockstar Games]] totally ruined it.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 3 unique [[Clothing]] stores in the game.
 
{{Gripe}}Given that a generic interior could be created, there's too few stores and the like to wander into compared to [[GTA San Andreas|San Andreas]] ([[Cluckin' Bell]] outlets as just a facade with no way in).
:{{Rebut}}But do you remember those loading times when you enter almost every interior buildings? GTA IV has non except for when you are on a mission where there would be a cutscene after you enter it.
 
{{Gripe}}The trees are invincible.
 
{{Gripe}}[[Well Stacked Pizza]] is missing.
:{{Rebut}} But you can eat at restaurants and off the street.
{{Gripe}}Military base is completely gone.
:{{Rebut}} Yes but i dont think there would be a military base in the middle of the city.
{{Gripe}}[[ProLaps]] are seen at the Starlight District, but is no longer accessible. [[Didier Sachs]] may be seen at the same location, but is also inaccessible, including [[Binco]].
 
{{Gripe}}You can't go underwater to see fishes, dolphins, turtles, even sharks.
:{{Rebut}}Would you want to swim under all that poisonous firty water in NYC?
::{{Gripe}} It looks ridiculous when Niko jumps 20 meters from a bridge only to land on the surface of the water.
 
{{Gripe}}The two largest, widest straightaways in Alqonquin are both under construction, leaving no place to really go fast.
:{{Rebut}}Highway, and why not use the straight just right infront of your safehouse in Algonquin. It's REALLY long and filled with cars and two jumps. Very entertaining and useful to train your driving skills.
::{{Gripe}}It's not really safe to go really fast on straightaways. Traffics will cahnge lanes quickly without even seeing you, making the Highways useless even more when confronted by slow moving traffics.
{{Gripe}}The two widest ones going north-south on each side of Middle Park are the best to go fast, but they end with a construction site about halfway, which is annoying.
 
{{Gripe}}Some areas, like restaurants, aren't denoted on the radar, despite working and accessible, i.e. the Burger Shots in Beechwood City and Northwood.
 
{{Gripe}}Alderney doesn't have any food stores and barely any places of interest, making it a useless area to visit.
:{{Rebut}}Strip Club, stunt jumps, pigeons, random peds.
::{{Gripe}}It's still a useless area to visit.
 
{{Gripe}}The Bars is inaccessible because you have to be accompanied by a friend.
 
{{Gripe}}Rockstar Changed The Name Of The Islands(i.e. Staunton and portlands name are changed).
:{{Rebut}}True the names are changed, But no city would enjoy having it's name in a  blow up, cop killing game. Since the September 11th terrorist attacks on New York it would be bad taste to have Niko a soviet immigrant cause hell and kill New York cops.
::{{Gripe}}But in-reality, why would a city just change a whole lot of districts names with-in 7 years. It ruins the game a bit and it's history
:::{{Rebut}} It didnt change its name, it has always been that in Liberty City. It is BASED off of New York, it isn't actually New York. With names changed Rockstar can make it resemble NY, but also shake things up.
 
{{Gripe}}The Alderney safehouse is crappy and run-down, a downgrade even though the Algonquin safehouses are luxurious and much bigger.
:{{Rebut}}It's just a safehouse that is given to you by Ray, not particular a good one. Especially Ray is not THAT rich. Do you know how your big safehouses came from? Roman, that rich guy after escaping and even changed his taxi to cavalcades. Playboy X, rich and bling.
 
{{Gripe}}Grand Central Terminal isn't accessible, despite being in the game.
 
{{Gripe}}[[ZIP]] clothing shop is gone.
 
{{Gripe}}In a game where money is useless you would think you could use some of that 1,000,000 dollars you make to upgrade the crappy apartments, buy a garage in the alley, add internet, add a big screen tv, pay rent, etc.
:{{Gripe}} especially when the character's primary motivation is money.
 
{{Gripe}}Alderney City has no darn train stations, I thought that New Jersey was full of sub-ways.
:{{Rebut}}It is not EXACTLY ripped off from New Jersey or whereever it originated from.
::{{Gripe}} But I mean in a highly congested city, atleast I thought that there should be some sought of rail link to the industrial city.
 
{{Gripe}}ATM machines are completely useless and now way of using it. You can only check out balance and not take out money by either destroying it (which dispenses a lot of money) or even use fast cash to earn more cash.
 
===Characters===
{{Gripe}}Returning characters are completely absent, such as [[Claude Speed]], [[El Burro]], [[8-Ball]] or even [[Toni Cipriani]]. There is little explanation why [[Rockstar Games]] did not return older characters from the past GTA eras.
:{{Rebut}}There is an [[Secrets and Easter Eggs in GTA IV|Easter Egg]] that shows the previous protagonists along with "R.I.P."
::{{Gripe}}Where is the location to this easter egg?
:::{{Rebut}}Check the link above
 
{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
:{{Rebut}}Isn't the game supposed to be more serious? I mean come on, the games based in poor, old, drug and crime filled New York. Nothing funny about that. But i do agree they aren't as funny as prior games but I understand why Rockstar did that.
 
{{Gripe}}Some of the characters are downright painful and tedious. i.e. Brucie, Dwayne etc.
:{{Rebut}}That's just opinion.  I like Brucie's style in the game.  Dwayne is very depressed though.
 
{{Gripe}}Even after she died, you still have to go on a date with Kate.
:{{Rebut}}I think that was just a very bad glitch.
 
===Story===
{{Gripe}}The humor is weak throughout the game.
:{{Rebut}}That is a personal opinion.  I, for one, found many conversations hilarious.
::{{Gripe}}Too bad that there was just not enough of these "hilarious conversations".
:::{{Rebut}}Go to some random charater jobs, there are gay guys, stupid guys that just does funny things. Die funny. Watch more cutscenes, some of the mare just funyn as hell.
 
{{Gripe}}Rockstar should of atleast brang back atleast one character from the [[GTA III era]] games. I mean, what ever happened to the [[Leone Family]] in the seven years leading upto the events in [[GTA IV]]]. Stuff like this should of been answered in this game, where I really expected Rockstar to build on a successful era of story-lines instead of taking 100 paces back to a new beginning.
:{{Rebut}}There is Lazlow He's been in every game so far.
::{{Rebut}}Check some easter eggs, there are graffiti saying that all the game characters before are all dead.
:::{{Gripe}}But what are the chances that out of all of the people that you met in GTA III and GTA: LCS, you would not meet, or even here of any of them in GTA IV.
 
{{Gripe}} In the Final Interview mission Niko uses his real name to arrange a job interview when he knows he is going to kill the interviewer. Despite the fact he is working at the time for a police officer, it detracts from the credibility of a story which tries desperately to be serious and believable. What sort of hitman would use his real name for this purpose? Realism?
 
{{Gripe}} Dimitri & Bulgarin make no attempt to attack or engage the Bellic Cousins outside of a mission. Previous games featured "no-go" areas or random attacks in accordance with the storyline. The fact that the Russian mob are central to the story, but unsighted in the open world portion of the game again hurts the believability of the story.
 
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