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 I'm pretty sure you can get more than 4 people on the bus. But honestly, who really wants to be driven around, doing nothing except sitting in a bus for a while? After a certain amount of time, it gets boring.

    It annoys me how in The Ballad Of Gay Tony, R* have taken some of the awesome new vehicles from Free Mode. Examples of this is the Tampa, Super (and Drop) Diamond, Swift, New Schafter, Comet, Stretch, and the Stretch E. The only way to get these are through mods, and modders are hard to find.

 Rockstar probably could not fit these on multiplayer. They tried to fit all of they could, and I'm afraid they had to sacrifice the vehicles you mentioned.
  Stop complaining about it.. The cars arent very useful in multiplayer. Swift for one, we already have a meaningless heli the maverick, why have another? Super Drop Diamon is a rare car only available from Yusif, so would they really give that out? Comet, Play party mode or a race.. Tampa,, Race, The stretch is pointless because its slow and not suited for combat. And they could not have both shafters on the street.. The only time you see them in SP is when your driving tony's. And why are you playing free mode so much anyway?

   Recently, Rockstar removed the ability to turn off Blips in multiplayer Free Mode. That is incredibly stupid.

 R. E. A. L. I. S. M. I know it's multiplayer, but although you may have a map of Liberty City, you can't put radar onto your phone (like to see Red Green do that. :)) It makes you a bit more alert by forcing you to constantly be on guard for enemies.

  This is because R* doesnt expect you to start multiplayer firefights in Free Mode. If you want that sort of thing, they think you would go to deathmatch.

   16 online players isn't enough in Free Mode. It would have been preferable if it had up to 50 players, instead of less.

 Enjoy your lags.

 Maybe not 50, but 20 players should do. 16 players is'nt enough, I mean, R* should try and withstand it, rather than being lazy and then put only 16. They should be able to handle 20 players online.

 Rockstar put in as many players as they could, if there were more then 16, the game would be unstable.

 No, there wouldn't be a lag because Resistance 2 for the PS3 can have 60 players online. Another PS3 exclusive, is Massive Action Game which will have 256 people online. I doubt there will be a lag. As long as they make it right, there could be more people online.

 The reason Resistance 2 can get 60 players because the game's developer, Insomniac Games, is a first-party developer for Sony. Insomniac has an intimate knowledge of the PS3 architecture and can fully exploit its potential.

  R* Is likely trying to cater to those with lower speed internet connections. I've played with low speed and found that lag begins with more than 5 people.

  Exactly, so for R* to be fair they should give us a free mode called "Social Mode" or something. It's basically the same as free mode but can have up to 64 players at once. So if you have slow internet, no big deal! Just play the regular free mode and you won't miss out.

   There isn't enough online game modes.

 Do you want "Day-Shift-Manager" as a mode, because fifteen modes is plenty, I don't think many people could come up with more possible modes.
 What other game, aside from the Call of Duty series of games, has as many DIFFERENT sets of game modes with different objectives. Hangman's NOOSE, bomb da base, and deal breaker are similar to single player missions. Deathmatch and Team Deathamtch, kill all enemies. Race and GTA race, racing. Car Jack City, Team Car Jack City, Mafiya Work, and Team Mafiya Work are to do objectives.

   During races, players may tend to warp in order to stay ahead. This has been a major problem and players shouldn't be racing if having bad connections, yet they didn't seem to care, let alone notice.

 They can't control their connections, so you'll just have to deal with it.

  They cannot notice because of the way multiplayer is designed. Therefore, they cannot try to warp to be ahead, nor do they care, because again, they dont notice.

   There is'nt enough clothing to customize your online character, especially that you can't customize shoes.

 Mutliplayer is about running around with your friends destroying Liberty City, not fashion statements on your character.

 It DOES take away a sense of individuality when you and your friends' characters all look similar. There should be 12+ face, hair, shirt, pants, skin, (sun)glasses, and shoe options to have a decent number of permutations.

 If you want more clothing options you could play ranked matches in multiplayer and get your rank up higher. Hangmans NOOSE is a good game.
 Actually, I must agree with this one. I have gotten to rank 10 and I have found that gta 4, both in single and multiplayer for the ps3 and 360, lacks a variety of clothing options.

   No offline multiplayer. Offline multiplayer free roaming is understandable (rendering two or more versions of the city would be too much) but playing the same way as San Andreas (two characters, have to both stay on screen) would be awesome. My friend has a 360, I got PS3, so online is useless for us.

 Offline multiplayer would be fun, but in San Andreas it was not very popular at all. All that could be done was running around in freeroam, no missions or other things, and there was no way to end multiplayer without one of the players dying. That is why the idea was dropped. Oh, and since you have an XBOX 360 and your friend has a PlayStation 3, why not just play online with others?

 Still, split screen would be nice.

 Not really, unless you want to enjoy disgraceful load times or lags, its up to you.

   All other players has the ability to Vote Kick other players, including the host. If one or more players strat spamming, was'nt R* supposed to suspend their accounts for attempting to kick other innocent members? I'm sure that R* is never aware of this problem, because they don't feel like it.

 Rockstar isn't lazy, why don't you try to make the highest rated video game in the world. Rockstar left this out due to that problems with clients can be reported to Microsoft or Sony.
 Kicking innocent members of games is not against the Xbox Live Code of Conduct, and keeping track of every kick spammer on a multi-platform game that sold this many copies would be like controlling the US-Mexico border.

   Integrity 2.0 does not appear in online multiplayer.

 Integrity isn't available until Algonquin is unlocked, and most players would want to start multiplayer sooner. So the surprise of a new radio station mid-game was left.

 That degrades realism. Just because Integrity 2.0 is available in Algonquin, does'nt mean R* can just exclude them in Multiplayer. They did that on purpose, just to show everyone that they just simply don't care about realism.

  Do you seriously believe yourself? My God, it's a radio station. Get over it.
 What the fuck does the lack of a fictional radio station have to do with realism?

   AutoAim needs to be balanced, e.g. adding about 20% for miss.

 AutoAim is just fine.

  This is used to compensate for poor aim. Besides, you miss a lot unless the target is right in fron of you and out of cover. Adding a 20% chance your bullet would fly into the unknown means only 1/5 of your ammo would make it TO the target, much less hit it. You would be left with the ability to run up to someone shooting you and melee them to death.

   There is'nt enough spoken dialogues to their custom characters. They should have been silent instead, as their taunts are repetitive and unfunny.

 That is just your opinion

 Then I suppose it is my opinion as well. Singleplayer and Multiplayer NPC easter eggs would be nice.   There are many taunts you just need to find them, Whem women aim with R2 they say thing, You can talk while you fight, When you are near an enemy in a competitive match your avatar may either say a flirty or intimadating remark i.e. 'Whos this fool lounging round here?' or "MM, Id put that in a pot and cook it" Many many possibilities, you just need to look for them all,

   Dimitri's boat is accessible in online multiplayer, while not online, you can't gain access inside.

 Not all areas that can be explore internally during missions in singleplayer can be accessed, so the same applies for multiplayer.

   R* does not have the ability to remove online player's accounts for cheating via reporting to Microsoft and Sony.

 Its Microsoft and Sony's decision to make, not Rockstar. Rockstar only made the game.

   R* has yet to make any updates to improve online connections, online game modes and to add more character customization.

 A patch has been released to fix some bug problems, but just wait. Rockstar will be releasing episodic content packs, and who knows what they have in store for us.

  When you say "us" don't you mean Xbox 360 users only?

   In Hangman's NOOSE, the NOOSE team manages to survive even after multiple gunshots throughout the entire body, regardless of shooting at them at close range.

 The NOOSE are wearing body armor so it's hard to kill them around the upper body. They'll be dead after you shoot them in the head.

 OR just another worthless lag. Because even if I shoot them in the head, they still get back up and still shoot at me. That lag almost reminds me of Terminator robots, because even when you shot them in their heads, they'll just keep on running torwards you and then kill you, thanks to unwanted lags. Sheesh.   Then you did not hit them in the head. Body Armor is fairly effective on NPCs and therefore a hit to the body is useless. Lag does not have an effect on your aim unless another player influences (i.e. shoots, pushes, etc.) the target.

   Why use the Rocket Launcher in GTA Races? It is an unfair weapon and a player holding it will have the ability to blow them up to bits, rendering the race unfair and irritating, because all other players has to kick a player out of the race for unfair cheating.

 Try dodging out of the way or get close to them. By getting close, if they shoot, their car as well as yours will blow up. So just get close to them. If they have common sense, they won't use the RPG.

 Or just remove the RPG so no one is allowed to ruin the aspect of races. Besides, every retard who uses the RPG, needs to be kicked out of the race automatically. I can't believe R* had to add this weapon in the race. Also, the RPG is NOT a drive-by weapon. It's a weapon for players who can't win races; instead, they'll just prove how a player has no life whatsoever. And as a matter of fact, you can't escape inescapable explosions once they have the perfect accuracy. What was R* thinking anyway? I hope I see that the RPG will no longer be available in GTA Races.

 When playing GTA online, expect the unexpected and win at any cost. Besides, if your opponent is using a rocket launcher or other weapons, so can you.

 Then that makes me (or another player with the RPG) a complete total noob and a loser.

 If don’t like the RPG, don’t use it. Tired of getting hit by RPGs, dodge them better. REALLY getting tired of getting hit by RPGs, don’t play GTA IV. Don’t go online to complain.

 If you wish to ruin races by performing a roadblock and use the RPG against players racing, then enjoy receiving a lot of hate messages.

   There are no random pedestrians throughout the cities, as they all look the same and dissapear for other pedestrians, if days change.

 Do the pedestrians in multiplayer really matter? As said about the gang wars gripe, multiplayer was made so you could play with your friends online, not to interact with NPC's

 By "interacting with friends online", I think you mean "ensue a gunfight with friends for no reason just to humiliate them"; which seems 5x redundant. I want to make the target reticult lock-on to an NPC peds and shoot at him/her. But I guess R* just did'nt want to add it. Just another degraded gameplay (and I don't mean realism).

   No gangs are ever seen driving, standing or walking around in Free Mode, thus making free roam bad and unrealistic

 You have those "gangster wannabes" online don't you?

 Who cares about that anyway? Having other gangs shoot at you and engage gunfights is less annoying and tedious than having players simply go on a shooting spree for no apparent reason.

 Multiplayer was made so you could play with your friends online, not to engage in gunfights with NPC's

 *sarcasm* Yeah, right. Like I want to have fun with friends online ESPECIALLY since they simply want to try and piss me off by ramming their bullets through my brain and not leave me alone. Gangs would be cool for Free Mode (because I enjoy engaging in gunfights with them), because I am sick and tired of having players go on a shooting spree all over me for no reason.

 But why can't we engage in gunfights with NPC's online with our friends? It would be massively fun.

 Do you even want players to send you hate messages for shooting them for no reason? I myself got killed 2 times before receiving a hate message by a player. I'd rather go to a server where it has no Friendly Fire and Police on. This way, I don't have to end up receiving hate messages; just think of it that, if you shoot down a player many times, do you think that it would be "massively fun" to receive hate messages? No it would'nt, right?

 If you want a gunfight against NPC's, either go on a cop shootout or play singleplayer.

   You don't get to create your own street racing activity by adding checkpoints and copy them to GTA Races and Races. Street racing doesn't get the point in Free Mode.

 If you want to create checkpoint races, play Rockstar's Midnight Club instead and play with real vehicles in a real city.

 Actually, MCLA was MADE by R* also and they should've done that in GTA IV as well. Not that hard to program that feature, just because it was done with MCLA (with the help of R* San Diego).

   A lot of the stuff you can do in single player you can't do in multiplayer. (i.e. bowling, playing pool, eating, getting drunk, strip clubs, etc.) It would be pretty fun to do all these things with your friends in multiplayer but they took them out of multiplayer for some reason. Why?

 Probably because it would take too much time to add all that stuff in, plus the map would be slightly bigger to accommodate the rooms and stuff.

   Everybody's an asshole. I play Free Mode to have fun, but every fucker kills me all the fucking time. I unplugged my 360, put GTA IV in the trash can and almost put my foot into my brothers face.


 I concur. Free Mode is not entirely free if other players are unable to simply BE free. I used to love hopping onto Free Mode and going on extended sieges with the LCPD, but everybody else just seems to want to put a bullet through my brain and not leave me alone. The problem is compounded without the ability (on the PS3 version) for a lack of advanced server searching, so I can find a server with Police on and Friendly Fire disabled.

 Then make your own custom game and turn Friendly Fire and Police off.

 Doesn't help at all, because you get rocket launched in the ass of your car and get hit by cars.

 Then make all of your slots private so no one else can join.

 Or how about this. All Free Mode games should disable Friendly Fire and enable Police. This way, everyone can have fun, instead of shooting at every players' heads for no apparent reason.

 How about asking for a new multiplayer game mode with your ideas in it instead of bashing a very nice existing one. I can see how one can become a little feuded by those ignorant spawn killers, but as long as you find a nice game with well rounded people you should be alright. Now here is my proposal; Make more options for the host, mainly for allowed weapons (specifically). However, car killings would still be inevitable, but they are harder to execute. Keep Free Mode, but add more host options. Asking to have the entire mode changed to fit your individual needs is a little bit much.
  There is now an option to fix that. Go into your phone, go to the multiplayer menu, and then go to the "Preferences" menu, found between "Player Model" and "Tutorial." from there you can set Auto-Aim, Police, and Friendly Fire on or off. Or set it to "don't care" to find more games, although it is random if those settings will be on or not in the game you join. See the multiplayer section for more on this.

    I agree. I find it annoying when I go to the airport to get a Buzzard only to be shot at by someone with an RPG, or find someone detonating all choppers for no reason. Also, I find that I am killed more often in non-Friendly Fire games than in those with that option enabled: If you use an explosive, it still sends people flying, and if you run someone over, it still kills.

 Well then go somewhere else for a chopper. You do know that there is always an Annihilator sitting on top of the police station at the airport, right (well, it's there unless someone takes it). Not to mention the many other places you can find them in the cit. A few examples: Helitours heliport, the West Algonquin Heliport (the one that had the Swift on it in single player), on top of a building in the Exchange. Look elsewhere if people blow up the choppers. It's something you have to deal with. If that keeps happening, join another game.

    Sometimes I wish I could target NPCs in Free Mode like you can target other players just to liven up the combat. However, this would obviously be an annoyance if you're trying to kill other players.


  A targeting system that favors the other players over the peds would be nice, but even that would be hard to keep from being sticky in the end.

    More should have been done to prevent the races just becoming a 'one crash and you're out' smashfest. There is always a huge pileup on the first or second corner and then you might as well (and most do) quit out as it's pointless continuing as whoever was lucky enough (and it is luck) to survive that will now be unopposed for the rest of the race.

 I have that problem also in GTA. I do races a lot as well. I have good strategy. If you're in the front, try to stay up front because there will be no cars ahead of you to crash into. If you're in the back and the Big One happens, just do the classic NASCAR strategy, driving straight for the wreck. It's most likely those cars won't be in that specific spot they crashed in, so driving to the original spot where they crashed would be a good idea.

   The "Invite Friend" needs a lot of work. It's a worthless feature. I mean, I don't go online often yet one of my friends (like Markie3000 or Jorge96) just spams me with "Invite Friend received". It's getting really annoying because I can't get to have fun offline while trying to get some trophies. Maybe they should'nt have added that feature and they should add something that you can find your friends and automatically join them, rather than spam friends up with "Send an invite" to friends. Geez.

   Not all the cars spawn in multiplayer.


 ESPECIALLY since the Faggio is one of the worthless vehicles ever to be driven in multiplayer. Why can't R* ever make all vehicles spawn in Multiplayer?

 Rockstar had to make some sacrifices to get 16 players online and have the experience lag-free, especially if the game variant takes place over the entire Liberty City map.

 Then R* should consider sacrificing the crappy, girly Faggio and replace it with a fast, sleek and awesome Comet instead.

 First, R* is not gonna reward you for piss-poor gameplay. Second, R* does NOT expect you finish a race in a Faggio, carjack some sucka with a better car and finish the race.

 If what you're saying is true, then why would R* add the slow and almost useless Faggio i Multiplayer Races in the first place??   This is to save memory. If all vehicles spawn, the server would have to keep track of all different types of vehicles, select which ones to spawn, what color, what driver, etc. Its already a load on the servers.

   Rockstar Games featured a cheap and unreliable way to get back to racing in GTA Races. They always give you a crappy Faggio (a really slow scooter) in order to "catch up" with other players. I find this retarded, because I wish Rockstar would give us a better and faster vehicle to catch up with other players, but nooo. They have to be cheap.


 Point taken.

  Well what do you want a Comet or Infernus automatically. Next time just don't die and you don't suffer a punishment R* isn't going to reward you for dying or getting blown up. And if people are camping and killing you with SMG's or Pistols if you have a friend aske them to kill the person.

   I cant play Bomb DA Base II i can do the start all the way to the helicopter but when i get on the ship it immediately brings me into single player mode im not sure if this is a gripe but pls answer me...

  Read Bomb Da Base II

   The Party Mode seems redundant. When you crash at high speeds into the wall or traffic while driving a car, you fly out of the windshield. I find it unrealistic, because in Free Mode when you crash into traffics or a wall at high speeds in the car, you don't fly out of the windshield. That's 2x unrealistic.

  Read the gripe on this in Vehicle Gripes. In fact, I think this gripe belongs there.
 That windsheild thing has nothing to do with Party Mode. Go on free mode, Team Deathmatch, or Car Jack City and constantly crash into things. Eventually, you should fly out of the windshield.

    How come when you shoot someone with a zombie outfit in the head it does not get blown off this is extremly lasy design to make a proper zombie like dose in resident evil are better. You also can't eat people and how does a zombie use weapons only ganados and majini do that.

  It's called a zombie outfit for a reason, you're not really a zombie. And whats keeping a zombie from using weapons? you're way too into Resident Evil.

  zombies are not intellegect creatures while we are at it why not make a crimson head outfit or a licker outfit so that you can jump on top of people and ripe there throat oh how about a dr. salvador, chainsaw majini, garrador, regenerators, iron maidens, nemesis, wesker, tyrants, executioners, novistors, majini, ganados, those plagas head things, bascally all creatures besides why is there an umbrella company when there is no proper zombie.

  Remember all those horror stories about garradors, regenerators, iron maidens, nemesises, a guy called Wesker, tyrants, executioners, novistadors, majini, ganados, etc? Well I don't. Those things aren't public domain they were just made for for the Resident Evil series. They don't exist in anything else, so why would you think they could be in a GTA game. GTA isn't a zombie game anyways. Giving people zombie powers would ruin the balance of gameplay. There is no Umbrella Corporation. I'm sorry but this gripe is irrelevant on so many levels.

  they is a umbrellla coporation in the game have you ever done the mission were you check some guys email there it mentions in one of the emails that theres an umbrella company and it would be cool if you could be those characters.

 And in a mission with Phil Bell (I think, I forget) he mentions goombas so those things from Mario should be in the game too! *sarcasm*. Familiarize yourself with real-life terms, Umbrella company.
 Not every zombie is a Romero zombie. Not every zombie is slow, or dumb, or even undead. Look up teh definition to what a zombie is, not what the "classic" or cliche zombie is.
 Why are you complaining about the zombies?You should be happy that they are even on multiplayer.

   I'd like to be able to choose from the pedestrian models when choosing a character in multiplayer rather than using the current character customization system. IMO it be much better because there are so many different unique-looking pedestrian models and with the current system, everyone looks the same. There weren't any problems with damage blocks (or whatever it's called) when 3rd party modders did this in SA:MP, so i don't think it would have been too hard for Rockstar to do themselves.

 For one thing, putting over 100 pedestrian models to choose from on the consoles would be extremely difficult due to hardware limitations. But, if you play on the PC, there's always Simple Native Trainer.

    i usauly rebut gripes but now i want to gripes about something why don't rockstar realese a pacth to fix up bomb da base 2 mode it is my favourite multiplay mission but half of the time i can't play it!

 Look at the Bomb Da Base II article. Hopefully Rockstar will release a patch but untill then Disable 'Join in Progress.' Enabling that setting is the reason for the crash.

    im fed up with the multiplayer glithes...i get shot once with an uzi and i lose all my health at once, even though i shoot the other person 20 times with my carbine and they dont feel a thing, etc. plus the 5 seconds of immunity after respawning gets on my nerves really quick.

  1. That's lag. You're having connection issues with your buddies. Get over it or use a better internet. 2. Spawn invincibility was enabled to prevent spawnkilling. How would you feel if you get killed right away after spawning and the spawnkiller gets rewarded $100 for that??

    Auto Aim is really the easy way out for people who cant shoot. Disallow is much better because it actually shows aiming skill and levels the playing field so if you wanna do a drive by and someone has a M4 they shouldnt have it so easy that they can just auto target you, also i believe auto aim should not even be a choice in deathmatch, I mean really what other game has auto aim?

  There are always newbies that play multiplayer and no I don't like auto aim too but multiplayer isnt only for hardcores.

    Why did they remove the HUD in multiplayer ? I'm so tired to don't know in which district I'm located when I drive or to be obliged to exit and reenter the car when I want to know in which car I am.

  There IS a HUD in multiplayer just like in singleplayer except that it doesnt display the names of individual streets.

   Yeah but in singleplayer if you press Down on the d-pad it will display you the district and street where you are and the car you're driving, it doesn't work in multiplayer

    with the new update, for some reason they took the options for police, auto aim, and friendly fire, and put them in the single player phone. Now instead of having all my options convenient at the ultiplayer screen i ahve to quit multiplayer to change them. id like ANYBODY to tell me ONE GOOD REASON that this is an improvement....this is entirely retarded and helped in no way....the company SHOULD be looking into fixing server issues ansd litches...but ig uess they were too busy making an update that takes a giant annoying step abckward

    I can't get online. I thought this was a minor problem, but few and then several days later, I still can't go multiplayer. IDK if this happened to everyone else, but I sign out and sign back in and I still can't go online. Even with the improved update, I see no "improvements" since I cannot go multiplayer, and that the game tends to freeze for no reason. Maybe R* decided to quit updating GTA IV? If they really did so, then that's a big thumbs down for R*.

  what operating system are you using? xbox and pc have these problems often depending on your pc model. for online, you need xbox live gold. R* has nothing to do with multiplayer. microsoft and sony manages it. if you still have problems, then contact customer support.

    No special running animations for female characters in TLAD or TBOGT, they run just like males unlike GTA 4 which has unique running animations for each gender