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It is the same game engine as GTA, and is an important game within Rockstar Games.
== Help. ==
For some reason it looks wierd if I indent the article and looks like it dose when im editing. Someone please help me out.


:It might be the next GTA. I think this article should remain.
'''<big>By the way, this article is comparing RDR to GTA, Gboyers said I could, so don't delete it!</big>''' --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 01:23, 27 August 2011 (BST)


::I am not ashamed to say, swaying slightly from the subject, that RDR is a better game than the GTA games.
:Placing a space before a paragraph puts it in a box, you can indent using a colon (''':'''). But why should it be indented? Also, headings simply use the syntax <tt>==Something==</tt>, no need to make it bold yourself (which was actually breaking the headings). Thanks! '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 04:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)


::TBOGT contains a news clip on the TV about terrorists. This clip features a shot of RDR. Therefore the games are directly related and this article SHOULD remain.- [[User:Tornmuscle|Tornmuscle]] 01:24, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
:No, thank you! You are a life saver! --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 14:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)


:::It doesn't take place in the GTA World, because in the beginning of the game, someone refers to New York and not Liberty City or New Rotterdam. [[User:Fluffy Clouds|Fluffy Clouds]] 02:08, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
== Side Info Box ==


::::So? That means it's not in the same world? Liberty City doesn't replace New York. They still exists within the same world. As said in the [[Grand Theft Auto World article: "In GTA III there are billboards saying "See you in Miami!" and Ray Machowski mention it after his departure from Liberty City, and in GTA Vice City, there are billboards that say "Move over Miami!" The cities don't replace their real-life counterparts. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:26, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Can someone add a side info box? I can't as im not really good with adding pictures...
Thanks, --[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]] 14:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)


There is really no need for this article. If there are refrences to the games then they can be placed in their respective articles. It could not take place in the same universe as GTA as it was set before any of the games. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' 03:59, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
== Deletion Discussion ==


:I agree with deletion.--''[[:User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 04:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)''
I suggested that this article be created, as there are several opportunities to mention RDR through this wiki, particularly to compare it to GTA games, like we have a [[Manhunt]] article. This page should not be ''about'' RDR, but instead be just the parts relevant to GTA. I say keep it for now, see where it goes, and if it's completely useless and irrelevant then we can delete. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:16, 27 August 2011 (BST)


::I think that it should stay because Red Dead Redemption is still in the same universe as GTA games and games like Bully and Manhunt.
:I agree. Who suggested that it should be deleted anyway? Can we delete the Deletion suggestion box so we don't encourage more to complain? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:30, 27 August 2011 (BST)


:::Indeed. Bully and Manhunt deserve their own articles, but this doesn't? Delete them too, if this must be deleted. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 15:26, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it should be deleted as well.--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Mizu101|Mizu]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Mizu101|(talk)]]</sup></font> 18:38, 27 August 2011 (BST)


I think it should stay, who ever wants it to be deleted, well, no one is making you read it. It should stay here in case some one wants some quick info on the game without having to leave Grand Theft Wiki. If it was not made by Rockstar, I could see why you wan't it to go, but it is made by Rockstar, so it should stay. The gameplay is almost identical to GTA and both use the same game engine. It should stay. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:08, 27 August 2011 (BST)




Uh, no, remove RDR. This takes place in a different "universe" that GTA, so doesn't belong here. Bully and Manhunt are both directly and indirectly referenced in GTAIV. How is RDR referenced? A 2 second screenshot that shouldn't even exist, because 1908 and 2009 do not take place at the same time.--[[User:Black Artist]]<sup>''[[User talk:Black Artist|Talk page]]''</sup> 00:35, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


:How could Red Dead Redemption be referenced when RDR was released 2 years after GTA IV? The article didn't say it takes place within the same universe, you just make it up yourselves. -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 11:59, June 4, 2010 (UTC)  
:If a user has a legitimate concern (which they do), then we '''should''' discuss it. Just because ''I'' think something might be a good idea doesn't mean we have to do it. We can leave the 'propose deletion' tag on there until that user has had a chance to respond here. We don't tell users to "shut up cos you're wrong" - we discuss it until we come to an agreement, or as close to one as possible. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:19, 28 August 2011 (BST)


RDR has nothing to do with GTA. Just because it was made by Rockstar Games too, does not mean it's story connects with GTA's. In the beginning of the game, a character, Bonnie, says that her brother is in New York. NY does not exist within the GTA universe. If Bonnie had said that her brother is in Liberty City then this article WOULD make sense but it doesn't. This article appearing in a GTA wiki would be like GTA appearing in the RDR wiki. No sense. I agree with deletion. [[User:AngelFlazz|AngelFlazz]] 19:26, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Do you know who wanted to get it deleted? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 00:41, 28 August 2011 (BST)


:::Where is it said that New York City doesn't appear in the GTA universe. Vice City doesn't replace Miami, why would Liberty City replace New York City then? -- [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 11:57, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


I understand all the arguments above, and pretty much agree with them. However, even though the ''content'' and universe of the games do not overlap, there are many similarities and useful comparisons in terms of gameplay, graphics, multiplayer and (eventually) modding. I think it would be useful to draw some comparisons between GTA and RDR. For example, comparing the way the open worlds work, the weapon UI, Dead-Eye targeting, the automatic health replenishment etc. I think having an article that just has a basic outline of RDR and then a load of comparisons would be useful. I think this would also be useful for the Driver and Saint's Row series'. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:44, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. Go back to the article, and click "view history" in the top right. That shows you every version of that page. You can click "prev" to see what was changed in that edit, and work out who added the deletion template. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:21, 28 August 2011 (BST)


it is slightly unusual... but i do believe that RDR and GTA exist in the same universe. even if they did mention NY instead of LC... Consider this: there are songs in all the gta games that make reference to real places. for example, West Coast Poplock on bounce FM in san andreas clearly references to LA, and california. as well as on K-rose, there is a song by the statler brothers called New York City. its a bit confusing, but its just a matter of time before we figure out if they coexist in the same game universe or not
A-Dust. Can we get him in here so we can discuss  it? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:06, 28 August 2011 (BST)
 
:Sorry for the delay in the response. My problem with the article is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the GTA series and, to my knowledge, has no links to the GTA series (as Bully does with Bullworth Academy featured in GTA IV and Manhunt with Carcer City). The contents of the article should surely be placed in the relevant articles, which I see no problem with. The RAGE and Euphoria articles could be expanded with sections comparing the in-game usage, which is likely to be re-used in the next GTA game. There is just no point in the article.
 
:The 'no ones making you read it' line is not a reason. I may not be reading it but there are plenty of other articles that I don't read that are relevant, unlike this one. The game being another from Rockstar Games is also no justification for the article to stay, Need I remind you that this is a wiki about the '''Grand Theft Auto''' series not a Rockstar Games wiki. A-Dust 10:54, 30 August 2011 (BST)
 
This article is not about RDR completely, but rather comparing GTA to RDR as Gboyers said. Merging it would make no sense as the info in this article would not feel right in a article about RAGE or Europhia. We should not change it just beacuse of you, once a few more people come here and post there opinions then we could do it, lets not base its deletion on one person. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 21:03, 30 August 2011 (BST)
 
:The contents of the article are either not relevant enough to the '''Grand Theft Auto series''' to be included or could be referenced in other articles (RAGE and Euphoria). You're 'logic' of it being just me is also no excuse for keeping an article that has no actual purpose being on the wiki. Deletion is something that should be based upon merit not upon popularity. A-Dust 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)
 
Fine, lets do what you wan't to do. Lets wait for atleast one more person before scraping it. :(--<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 01:06, 31 August 2011 (BST)
 
:There are differing opinions here, I still think this article might be useful. Whilst the games might not be related by canon (characters, companies etc), they are deeply technically related. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:15, 31 August 2011 (BST)
 
Lets leave it to the Boss, Gboyers, to make the final choice. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 20:23, 31 August 2011 (BST)
 
:I'm not making a "final" decision on anything. I think this article is young enough that we can leave it for a while and see if it becomes useful. If it does not contain any useful information, or if all the information is duplicated (or should go somewhere else), then we'll remove it. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:35, 1 September 2011 (BST)
 
::How is RDR deeply technically related? The main relationship I can see is that both are made by R*. RDR is set in the past in a real-life setting. Unlike any other R* games that references GTA, there are no references between these games at all. Talking about the similarities of the game engines or comparing these games does not seem enough to justify keeping the page. Might as well bring up R* Table Tennis or Volition's Saints Row.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 07:22, 1 September 2011 (BST)
 
Like Gboyers said, it's too young to delete. Only thing is that it's not geting attention, so no one is adding to it...
Maybe that deletion prod is making people affraid to edit? --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:38, 3 September 2011 (BST)
 
:You shouldn't expect lots of edits in a short time to ''any'' page, especially a less important page. The delete template lists the page [[:Category:Delete|here]], which can ''attract'' users to fix it up, who may not otherwise know that the page exists. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 06:54, 5 September 2011 (BST)
 
Also, only one page is linking to it which is the Grand Theft Auto 5 page and the search bar. No need to add other links to it since it may get deleted soon. I guess im going to be the only one adding to it. If anyone else wants to help, please, feel free. --<font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="3">[[User:Fairnick68|Fairnick68]]</font><font face="Papyrus" color="blue" size="2"><sup> [[User talk:Fairnick68|(talk)]]</sup></font> 13:45, 5 September 2011 (BST)

Latest revision as of 12:45, 5 September 2011

Help.

For some reason it looks wierd if I indent the article and looks like it dose when im editing. Someone please help me out.

By the way, this article is comparing RDR to GTA, Gboyers said I could, so don't delete it! --Fairnick68 01:23, 27 August 2011 (BST)

Placing a space before a paragraph puts it in a box, you can indent using a colon (:). But why should it be indented? Also, headings simply use the syntax ==Something==, no need to make it bold yourself (which was actually breaking the headings). Thanks! JFletcherTalk (formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever) 04:20, 27 August 2011 (BST)
No, thank you! You are a life saver! --Fairnick68 14:00, 27 August 2011 (BST)

Side Info Box

Can someone add a side info box? I can't as im not really good with adding pictures... Thanks, --Fairnick68 14:04, 27 August 2011 (BST)

Deletion Discussion

I suggested that this article be created, as there are several opportunities to mention RDR through this wiki, particularly to compare it to GTA games, like we have a Manhunt article. This page should not be about RDR, but instead be just the parts relevant to GTA. I say keep it for now, see where it goes, and if it's completely useless and irrelevant then we can delete. gboyers talk 18:16, 27 August 2011 (BST)

I agree. Who suggested that it should be deleted anyway? Can we delete the Deletion suggestion box so we don't encourage more to complain? --Fairnick68 (talk) 18:30, 27 August 2011 (BST)
I don't think it should be deleted as well.--Mizu (talk) 18:38, 27 August 2011 (BST)

I think it should stay, who ever wants it to be deleted, well, no one is making you read it. It should stay here in case some one wants some quick info on the game without having to leave Grand Theft Wiki. If it was not made by Rockstar, I could see why you wan't it to go, but it is made by Rockstar, so it should stay. The gameplay is almost identical to GTA and both use the same game engine. It should stay. --Fairnick68 (talk) 21:08, 27 August 2011 (BST)


If a user has a legitimate concern (which they do), then we should discuss it. Just because I think something might be a good idea doesn't mean we have to do it. We can leave the 'propose deletion' tag on there until that user has had a chance to respond here. We don't tell users to "shut up cos you're wrong" - we discuss it until we come to an agreement, or as close to one as possible. gboyers talk 00:19, 28 August 2011 (BST)

Okay. Do you know who wanted to get it deleted? --Fairnick68 (talk) 00:41, 28 August 2011 (BST)


Yes. Go back to the article, and click "view history" in the top right. That shows you every version of that page. You can click "prev" to see what was changed in that edit, and work out who added the deletion template. gboyers talk 19:21, 28 August 2011 (BST)

A-Dust. Can we get him in here so we can discuss it? --Fairnick68 (talk) 21:06, 28 August 2011 (BST)

Sorry for the delay in the response. My problem with the article is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the GTA series and, to my knowledge, has no links to the GTA series (as Bully does with Bullworth Academy featured in GTA IV and Manhunt with Carcer City). The contents of the article should surely be placed in the relevant articles, which I see no problem with. The RAGE and Euphoria articles could be expanded with sections comparing the in-game usage, which is likely to be re-used in the next GTA game. There is just no point in the article.
The 'no ones making you read it' line is not a reason. I may not be reading it but there are plenty of other articles that I don't read that are relevant, unlike this one. The game being another from Rockstar Games is also no justification for the article to stay, Need I remind you that this is a wiki about the Grand Theft Auto series not a Rockstar Games wiki. A-Dust 10:54, 30 August 2011 (BST)

This article is not about RDR completely, but rather comparing GTA to RDR as Gboyers said. Merging it would make no sense as the info in this article would not feel right in a article about RAGE or Europhia. We should not change it just beacuse of you, once a few more people come here and post there opinions then we could do it, lets not base its deletion on one person. --Fairnick68 (talk) 21:03, 30 August 2011 (BST)

The contents of the article are either not relevant enough to the Grand Theft Auto series to be included or could be referenced in other articles (RAGE and Euphoria). You're 'logic' of it being just me is also no excuse for keeping an article that has no actual purpose being on the wiki. Deletion is something that should be based upon merit not upon popularity. A-Dust 23:13, 30 August 2011 (BST)

Fine, lets do what you wan't to do. Lets wait for atleast one more person before scraping it. :(--Fairnick68 (talk) 01:06, 31 August 2011 (BST)

There are differing opinions here, I still think this article might be useful. Whilst the games might not be related by canon (characters, companies etc), they are deeply technically related. gboyers talk 01:15, 31 August 2011 (BST)

Lets leave it to the Boss, Gboyers, to make the final choice. --Fairnick68 (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2011 (BST)

I'm not making a "final" decision on anything. I think this article is young enough that we can leave it for a while and see if it becomes useful. If it does not contain any useful information, or if all the information is duplicated (or should go somewhere else), then we'll remove it. gboyers talk 00:35, 1 September 2011 (BST)
How is RDR deeply technically related? The main relationship I can see is that both are made by R*. RDR is set in the past in a real-life setting. Unlike any other R* games that references GTA, there are no references between these games at all. Talking about the similarities of the game engines or comparing these games does not seem enough to justify keeping the page. Might as well bring up R* Table Tennis or Volition's Saints Row.--spaceeinstein 07:22, 1 September 2011 (BST)

Like Gboyers said, it's too young to delete. Only thing is that it's not geting attention, so no one is adding to it... Maybe that deletion prod is making people affraid to edit? --Fairnick68 (talk) 13:38, 3 September 2011 (BST)

You shouldn't expect lots of edits in a short time to any page, especially a less important page. The delete template lists the page here, which can attract users to fix it up, who may not otherwise know that the page exists. JFletcherTalk (formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever) 06:54, 5 September 2011 (BST)

Also, only one page is linking to it which is the Grand Theft Auto 5 page and the search bar. No need to add other links to it since it may get deleted soon. I guess im going to be the only one adding to it. If anyone else wants to help, please, feel free. --Fairnick68 (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2011 (BST)