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== Swearing == | == Swearing == | ||
A couple of users have been writing mission pages which include a lot of inappropriate/informal language and swearing. An example of this is [ | A couple of users have been writing mission pages which include a lot of inappropriate/informal language and swearing. An example of this is [{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Have_a_Heart&diff=prev&oldid=37929 here]. I deal with this whenever I see it, but keep your eyes peeled for walkthroughs that are worse than just badly-structured. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I wasn't actually aware that the word used there is considered swearing... the ignorant American, again! ;) --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 04:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | :I wasn't actually aware that the word used there is considered swearing... the ignorant American, again! ;) --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 04:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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==Page Naming== | ==Page Naming== | ||
We need a bit of a think on page naming. Do we use [[Michelle (IV)]] or [[Mickey (GTA IV)]]. If we use it for other games, do we switch to | We need a bit of a think on page naming. Do we use [[Michelle (IV)]] or [[Mickey (GTA IV)]]. If we use it for other games, do we switch to Michelle (SA) (which is a city) or Michelle (GTA SA) or Michelle (GTA San Andreas)? And what if that character is in more than one game, and still needs to be disambiguated? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 00:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I am of the opinion that we should use as detailed desciptions as possible, while maintaining brevity. Therefore, I would opt for [[Michelle (GTA IV)]], | :I am of the opinion that we should use as detailed desciptions as possible, while maintaining brevity. Therefore, I would opt for [[Michelle (GTA IV)]], Michelle (GTA SA), Michelle (GTA LCS), etc...I think it's fine to use shortened versions of game names in titles, which can be expanded upon in the article...the only question is, do we use colons, i.e. (GTA:SA), or just leave it as a space?<br>Hopefully I'm not misunderstanding your point, but when a character shows up in more than one game, I think it's fine to leave their nomenclature centered around the game in which they play the biggest role. There should be references to their appearances in other games within the article, but I don't think including every appearance on a disambiguation page is the way to go. We can use in-article text and categories to show that a particular character has appeared in more than one game, and should defer to their most prominent appearance as default. Thoughts? '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 21:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Watching Talk:Michelle (IV) == | == Watching Talk:Michelle (IV) == | ||
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== Main Page Renaming == | == Main Page Renaming == | ||
As you can see in the discussion [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:JoePlay#Main_Page_Rename here], one official Wikia Helper (volunteer intersite admin) decided to rename our [[Main Page]] to "Grand Theft Auto wiki" without our consent, and without any discussion in our community. This is because Wikia want all the main pages to match the name of the wiki, for popularity in search engines, which means more money in advertising for them. However, I feel [[Main Page]] better serves the title of that page within this wiki. Discussion on what to name the page is going on [ | As you can see in the discussion [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:JoePlay#Main_Page_Rename here], one official Wikia Helper (volunteer intersite admin) decided to rename our [[Main Page]] to "Grand Theft Auto wiki" without our consent, and without any discussion in our community. This is because Wikia want all the main pages to match the name of the wiki, for popularity in search engines, which means more money in advertising for them. However, I feel [[Main Page]] better serves the title of that page within this wiki. Discussion on what to name the page is going on [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Naming_of_Main_Page here]. I reverted the move, since it wasn't discussed with us beforehand. If this is repeated without our consent, please revert it. I have protected the ability to ''move'' the front page (anyone can still edit). I will not have Wikia interfering like this again, especially not for advertising or financial purposes. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Staff Colours == | == Staff Colours == | ||
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:Firstly, I checked your edit to that page, you ''did'' do it for me, but it didn't work (my signature is always bold, so check recent changes). Secondly, I think the point of this is to make staff stand out to other users, RC is full of blue links, and bold blue for pages your watching, so I think there might be a colour that would stand out a bit more. Otherwise, it's great! '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | :Firstly, I checked your edit to that page, you ''did'' do it for me, but it didn't work (my signature is always bold, so check recent changes). Secondly, I think the point of this is to make staff stand out to other users, RC is full of blue links, and bold blue for pages your watching, so I think there might be a colour that would stand out a bit more. Otherwise, it's great! '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I made it bold and darker blue as a start, as it stands out without being massively different. However I think two stand-out colours would not be too many. What would you suggest? It couldn't be red or blue, but it could be orange, purple, pink, light blue, brown. I'm not sure about black, because that could be confused as being ''less'' of a link, since it isn't obvious that you can click on it. We could use a darkish grey though. Alternatively Admins and Managers could use variations on the same colour - such as green for one; bold+green for the other. Lots of possibilities! FYI I'm removing Eganio and Guildknight from this system, as I'm rendering them as inactive staff (unless/until they return). [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
::'''EDIT''': I fixed you BGTAFE, and made admins orange! It stands out doesn't it? When we've decided on colours, we should redesign the staff templates & page to match (how pretty!). And then we can fix the promotions procedure (might just make it "Managers decide" again) and bring some more staff on board. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::What has the promotion procedure become? It is managers decide isn't it? As for Eganio and GK, I agree that they are inactive. Just FYI, Eganio has edited three times since he disappeared and one edit was to a user talk page. He said something about "sorry for the delayed reply, I've been busy", so it seems like he plans on coming back. GK ''is'' on sometimes and has said on her userpage that she's busy and is coming back (you probably already know most of that, but anyway). The orange does look better, and the templates/colour matching sounds like a good idea. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 03:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
Two things. Firstly, MediaWiki:Monaco.css still says ''ADMIN - Blue - bold'', (you didn't change it when you changed the colour) and ''Not talk page''. The other thing is, why did you force talk page links into lowercase? I noticed when in RC I saw a link to [[User talk:A-Dust]]. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I was only going to finanlise the comments etc on monaco.css when we'd decided on colours etc. Currently we're still in "testing it out" mode, unless everyone agrees. The talk page link lowercase one was cos I must have copied the wrong bit from my line (which is lowercase for reasons I explained earlier). Feel free to fix both of those problems (since you asked me first)! [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 11:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Admin can't edit the ''MediaWiki'' namespace. It must be either managers or just you. I get the "View Source" button instead of "Edit this page". '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Moderators & Current Nominations == | |||
Firstly, read [[Staff]] as I have re-introduced the Moderator group, rewrote all the text, and listed (most of) the specific rights of each user group. Let me know if that makes sense, or if you think something should be altered. There are 3 [[Project:Promotion|nominations]] for staff, so once they have agreed to the nomination (and explained why they think they should be staff), please ask some questions and try and find out whether they would be staff. Key indicators are helpfulness, knowledge/skill, and diplomacy (balanced decisions). After a few questions have been answered (or after a week or two), you should state clearly at the bottom whether you are For or Against the promotion (and sign your comments). I'll then make the final decision in a week or two, based on their answers, their past contributions, current activity and your "votes". Hope that makes sense - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:From reading that, either the new "moderators" user group is going to be much more important than the old "patrollers" group, or patrollers had many more abilities than I thought. So once we have the new staff, should we consider a moderator template (like {{template|manager}} and {{template|admin}})? '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
We used to have moderators, but they got disabled when we got fully integrated into the central wikia codebase. Patrolling rights (and a pretty badge) was the only thing we could do for people after that. But now we have moderators back. Due to this, {{template|moderator}} has always existed (which you could have checked). You'll also notice the colours are not in line with the font colouring we now have, which I'll sort out sometime soon. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Lonely Pages :( == | |||
Can I draw your attention to [[Special:LonelyPages]], which shows a list of Orphaned Pages - ones which don't have any links TO them, and aren't transcluded into other pages. Can you go through a handful of these each, and either add some relevant links (so people can find the pages) or propose them for deletion? Bear in mind that a lot of these might be spam pages that people have set up, that have got through the patrolling net; and a lot will be useless. If you aren't sure what to do, just add {{template|orphan}} which places it in [[:Category:Orphans]] for someone else to have a look at. Also, that list isn't always right, so check out "What links here" in the sidebar before you do anything else. It just would be nice to get rid of that list quickly. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== IRC == | |||
Ive set up a page here: Grand Theft Wiki:IRC/Staff. If all of the staff would fill in what times you could be available to join the IRC channel, it would be appreciated. We'd like to see if we can arrange an IRC Staff meeting. Any questions on the [[Grand Theft Wiki talk:IRC/Staff|talk page]]. --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 17:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Staff Colours & Ranks == | |||
I have now fully implemented name colours for [[Staff]], and also added little rank stripes to them. This will show up automatically on any link to your user page. A slightly lighter colour will show up for any link to your talk page, with no rank stripe showing up. In case you can't figure it out, Moderators are dark blue (one rank stripe), Adminisrators are dark orange (two stripes) and managers are dark red (three stripes). These features will only work on modern browsers, and will look normal for anyone else. Do you think these are useful, too distracting, too similar, too different, or what? Let me know - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I like it. The icons are small and unobtrusive, and the colors are less distracting now. The Mods' colors don't really stand out against normal links, but it does have the icon. Oh, and my talk link isn't colored. :| --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 06:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
I also like it, although I can only see it when I'm logged out. As soon as I log back in, everything changes back to blue text. Either way, I think it is a good addition. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 19:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Make sure you've got your skin set to allow admin overrides etc. And clear cache etc. Or just wait and it might fix. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
::I've just allowed the admin overrides and very quickly changed it back. If the pages are to look like that, I'd rather stick the blue links. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 20:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
== phpBB Forums == | |||
What do you guys think of the [http://gaming.wikia.com/forum/ phpBB forums] that wikia are offering in beta? They're certainly an improvement over our wiki-based [[Forum:Index|forum]], but do you think our community is ready? Let me know what you think. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I too think that they are better than the current wiki-based forum and think it would be a good way to try and encourage users to contribute more to GTW, whether that is in forum discussion or in terms of contribution. However, I think if the phpBB forums are to be used there should be a link on the main page and in the navigation box. As for the wiki being ready, there is only one way to find out. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 01:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
::I was looking at that a while back, I also think they could be a good addition to the wiki. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
=="gta games" section== | |||
The "gta games" section under the navigation box really needs updating. GTA Advance (a game five years old!), The Lost and Damned and GTA Chinatown Wars need to be added. Also, is there anyway to capitalise the words in those boxes? Just something that annoys me. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 01:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Very strange - I never saw this message! I apologise for the delay, it is now compelted. Administrators can edit this [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar|here]], but should be careful when doing so. Check whether it works, and revert your edit if it doesn't. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Wikia Welcome Tool == | |||
What do you think about adding a Welcome header to the [[User talk:Wikia|Wikia Welcome Tool]] so that users don't end up with talk pages that have a welcome at the top before the TOC? I asked Wikia about this (thinking that it was a Wikia-wide thing) and they said that this can be done by editing [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user]] (I don't know why the link is red, but it still works) and MediaWiki:Welcome-message-anon (but only managers can edit them). Also, the tool only seems to work using admin/managers usernames, so Gboyers might have to ask Wikia to enable it for moderators (if you want to). '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Some good suggestions! I'll do that header part. It's a red link because the page hasn't been filled in. The content isn't in that page until we put it there, what you see is actually imported from wikia (since we dont have it customised yet). We just edit that page and it works. We can also change whose name appears (eg so it could be the same person every time) - but we could make it randomly pick between a list of staff? I don't think we can still make it use the last person to edit, so perhaps it's better staying as it is to make sure they get someone active to speak to? | |||
==Protected Pages== | |||
NB: If [[Moderators]] cannot edit this page, post on the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]] instead. I will try to remedy this situation fairly quickly. The problem is that there are two levels of protected pages. There are ones we protect to stop them being broken or vandalised (like {{template|GTA}} or the [[Main Page]] occasionally), and there are ones we protect to stop deliberate abuse (such as [[Staff]]). Of course moderators should have access to the first group, but not the latter. Currently we trust [[Administrators]] with access to all protected pages, but [[Moderators]] are often quite new and only being tried out, so giving them unrestricted access to the entire wiki is a very big step. If we allow moderators to access these, it will make it harder to become a moderator (which I want to be quite easy), or if we don't them I might be tempted to promote people to admin quicker. What do you think? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Portals== | |||
What do people think of our current portals - [[Portal:GTA IV]], [[Portal:Characters]] and [[Portal:Vehicles]]? None of them look finished, so could anyone volunteer to jazz them up and keep refreshing the featured articles. Check out some portals on Wikipedia such as [[wp:Portal:Architecture]] and also on Wikiversity such as [http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Primary_Education Primary Education]. Feel free to just hack the portals to pieces and change them completely. We should also think about doing more with the [[Community Portal]], as currently there's a big jump between visiting and getting involved. I'm also trying to make more use of "edit this section" links, so people can edit content without being hit by the [{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Template:Navbox&action=edit big scary code] - so bear that in mind when designing portals. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Images from German Wikia == | |||
After talking to staff from [[:de:]], they have asked if they can use images from our wiki. The problem is that they don't want to go through and add a copyright template to every single image they've taken. Since we have [{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&ns6=1&ns7=1&search=german&fulltext=Advanced+search a lot of images] from their wiki, I have agreed that we no longer need to specify the source for images used across these wikis. This allows us to use any image on the German GTA wikia without expressly saying where it came from (but if you can, it helps), and they can do the same with our images. I will try and agree with Wikia a method where we can simply include images from another wiki, like <code><nowiki>[[:de:Bild:Image.jpg]]</nowiki></code>, but I doubt that will happen. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC) | |||