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{{Gripe}} When you run past people on the street you occasionally startle them, causing them to drop whatever they are carrying (mp3 player, soda cup, umbrella, newspaper, suitcase, shopping bag, etc). The absurd part is the fact that they ABANDON whatever item they happen to have dropped, as if it had no value whatsoever to them. I can understand someone abandoning a half eaten hot dog on the ground, but certainly not a shiny suitcase or a bag full of shopping items! I find it ridiculous. On the other hand I can understand someone fleeing from their belongings apon being threatened at gunpoint, but nobody is going to run away only because of a little accidental tap on a street corner! A good solution would be to code an action for peds to perform the "picking up" animation (restoring the fallen item) in situations where they dropped their item where a threat was NOT involved (weapon pointed, firing, etc). As a coder I can assure that it would be pretty simple to implement without any problems. The gripe may seem useless, but since it acutally happens very frequently, you notice it every time since it stands out as something out of the ordinary.

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{{Gripe}} Theres no reason to go exploring, all alleys and side streets are the same. Almost no hidden content, no surprises, no weapons, no soul put into anything. Just a whole lot of places to go with nothing.

:{{Rebut}} Yes that may be true but in a real city you won't just find weapons laying around all over the place,

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:{{Rebut}} The cost of a meal is a little much, I agree, but I've learned that Roman and Little Jacob eat the most during meals, so usually I'll take them somewhere else, like darts or drinking, Brucie and Dwayne usually eat less. Also the "fancy-ness" of the place your going changes the price: 69th Street Diner-$50 SuperStar Cafe-$100. I hope that will help you.

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{{Gripe}} The graphics engine makes everything glow red or orange, you can hardly see a thing. Either that or everything is deadly pale, almost icy white, again, making it hard to see any details or textures. At best, theres two minutes (two game hours) a day where LC is tolerable to the eye. I dont know if they were trying to create some of the famous atmospheres from III or VC, but they failed to do so.

:{{Rebut}} Try changing your TV's settings like color and contrast, I had the same problem but doing that fixed it.

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{{Gripe}} The dirt sure sparkles and shines like a cut diamond doesn't it! Wait, is wet dirt meant to flawlessly reflect everything? I think not. Wet dirt is just that, sh***y, muddy, wet dirt, it's not gonna reflect very much.

:{{Rebut}}[[K109 The Studio]] is GTA IV's Songs of the 70s station, and [[Liberty Rock Radio 97.8|LRR]] is the K-DST of GTA IV, without the K-DST songs (I'm assuming Rockstar lost the rights to the songs from SA). About a Double Clef FM type station, I don't think the average video game player likes classical music. I have never heard the players online, when they're talking about music, say that they would have liked a classical music station.

::{{Rebut}} [[Jazz Nation Radio]] is sort of like the classical station; a bunch of old-sounding instrumental music that I never listen to.

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{{Gripe}}I would like to see a fairly large Army Base, Okay I know that NYC has no Army Base but it has to have a National Guard Depot at least. If there was one I hope there would be APCs and an armory, but it can only be acessed once you get through a certain mission.

dont know how to make smiley face.  

i dont know to make a rebut. in san andreas you gained weight and then you lost it all all of the foods were so cj could gain weight so you needed multiple foods to control the quantity of weight so niko doesnt gain weight so he dont need the exact same food with different names

:::{{Rebut}} I hated the food system in GTA:SA, it took way too long if you wanted a quick meal. I like GTA:IV's system, it's fast, simple health when your getting your ass kicked.

::::{{Gripe}}They could at least make Niko induce vomiting if making him eat 5 or more meals at once. His stomach isn't a bottomless pit.

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::::::::{{rebut}} The main reason Alderny City doesn't look as close to Jersey City as Algonquin does to Manhattan, is because Alderney City is supposed to be a mash-up of Jersey City AND Newark. It combines the character of both into one smaller location.  

:{{Rebut}} Yeah, it's not that important. The main thing is to kill the corrupt cop off Catskill Avenue, not check out if the buildings and highways are exactly like NJ. Move on, please :)

{{Gripe}}Time doesn't progress in the city; seasons don't change, construction sites don't wrap up and finish and no new buildings are built. I doubt NYC's construction sites work forever and never complete their task. Another hit on realism.

:{{Rebut}}If the map changed, the game, and by extension, the gameplay, would change. This is, obviously, unwanted.

::{{Gripe}}True, but I prefer arcade games. They're much better than doing bowling or darts.

:::{{Rebut}}Play QUB3D

:::::{{Gripe}}The amount of "random games" was substantially reduced. This affects realism, in terms of the player being able to interact with the city and the longevity, with yet another 5 or 6 sources of amusement the game doesn't have.  

::::::{{Rebut}}GTA4 wasn't made just so people can go play PacMan all day at a strip club.

{{Gripe}}Playing pool is realistic, but should have been able to make a friendly wager, between friends, nothing there to do that, as well as darts.

:{{Rebut}}Would you like to see your friend have a hundred dollars of betting money, then go and waste the money?  I don't think so.

:::{{Rebut}}Gambling isn't in GTA4 because Niko doesn't have that kind of money to waste in the main story line.

::::{{Gripe}}Not at the end of the main storyline. Niko manages to make 500 grand, but you can barely spend on anything. By "gambling" I think  you're reffering to blackjacks, poker, and slot machines. Pool and darts has nothing to do with gambling. Just a small boring fun (can't make a small wager to the competitor) and that increases a redundant way to spend your hard-earned cash.

:::::{{Rebut}} I don't mind having redundant ways of spending my money when I have an incredibly large amount and don't have anything fun to buy it on.

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:{{Gripe}}It should've have at least 50 clothing shops or more, but only 3 on a huge Liberty City? Badly affects realistic attempts.

::{{Rebut}}Well, mister, why don't you go program in all those clothing shops with individual outfits in each store? Can't? Then remember that this is a game. Have fun. Don't worry about realism. You can jump out of a helicopter from 1000 feet and live without a parachute.

::{{Gripe}}Redundant. Clothing shops are crucial for the game. I mean, imagine if you are dating your girlfriend and she tells you to go buy new clothes. Would you let her be disappointed for keeping the same clothes you're wearing? No right? If R* should add girlfriends in the game, then they should add more clothing shops to keep a girlfriend (you are dating) happy. Otherwise, if they are going to make few clothing shops, then they should'nt add the girlfriend feature.

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:{{Rebut}}But do you remember those loading times when you enter almost every interior buildings? GTA IV has non except for when you are on a mission where there would be a cutscene after you enter it.

::{{Gripe}}Once again, this lacks realistic attempts to this game. In real life, you would have huge range of restaurants, clothing shops, comedy shows, bowling alleys, arcades, etc. The game, however, has few and makes no sense why.

:::{{Rebut}}Then listen to some music.  Or if you have Xbox 360, then you can download custom songs via CD's.

::::{{Gripe}}If R* included custom soundtrack feature for the Xbox 360, why exclude it for the PS3 version anyway? If R* is holding a grudge against the PS3 version, then they are out of their minds (not being a flamer)  

::{{Gripe}}I kind of wish that LCHC had more heavy metal songs. Even more songs would have been nice.Can't wait for Lost and the Damned for PS3 so i can listen to heavy metal

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{{Gripe}}The city is grossly under populated. Go to Star Junction at 9pm on a Friday Night and it is deserted. 5pm on a Friday, there is some traffic, but for what it is supposed to be it just falls short again. There are more peds behind the flats in Northwood than in Star Junction. The report that Rockstar modeled the traffic on NYC is pure garbage. Living breathing city....not even close.

::{{Gripe}}Badly affects realism.

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:{{Rebut}}Pedestrians are there as place fillers, because not every taxi is available at one time.

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:{{Rebut}}Is that where you can play songs during gameplay? Well, most teenagers have a CD player of some sort.

::{{Gripe}}The Custom Soundtrack was done throughout every GTA games in Xbox and PC, so they should'nt have excluded the Custom Soundtracks.

::{{Gripe}}On the PSP too, which has much more limitations. Seems odd to leave it out given the massive leap in tech.

:::{{gripe}}The lack of custom soundtrack feature is annoying. Why include it only on the PC and why not on the 360 and PS3. It's not THAT hard (unless R* just does'nt feel like adding that feature). Also, your Rebut has nothing to do with GTA IV. This is Independence FM we're talking about (a radio station which allows you to play your own music tracks, but on PC only). It's no wonder R* Games has to be lazy to not add Independence FM for Xbox 360 and PS3, but for PC. Pathetic.

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{{Gripe}}Only two tollboths in the whole of [[Liberty City in GTA IV|Liberty City]]? That's a bland excuse for realism. In real life, it had much tollbooths from NYC, like freeways and intersections. I highly doubt that NYC never had long freeways, intersections and a measly two tollbooths.

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{{Gripe}} How come there are no golf courses in Liberty City or Alderney?  There are plenty of golf courses in NY and NJ, why not Liberty City?  It also would've been very fun to have a golf minigame.

{{Gripe}} Yeah, I know that, but couldn’t R* have made it a little more… you know, chaotic? I’d have loved to see cars veering into other lanes, crashing into other cars, mounting the sidewalk and killing pedestrians… It wouldn’t have been too hard to add, and would have been awesome.

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:{{Rebut}}you can do some side missions like car thefts and drug deals. You can also goof around ''Jackass'' or just start a new game

:{{Rebut}}There's also MP.                                                                                                          {{Gripe}}MP doesn't work for me anymore.  I tried it again and again to see if it works, no luck. Aso, the game tends to freeze up for no reason whenever I play GTA IV and the disc and the PS3 itself was working fine.