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:::::::{{Rebut}} Don't forget about the Truth's (GTA:SA) website, www.whatheydontwantyoutoknow.com
:::::::{{Rebut}} Don't forget about the Truth's (GTA:SA) website, www.whatheydontwantyoutoknow.com
::::::::{{Rebut}} Well, IV is set over 20 years ahead of VC and SA, so everyone from those games is probably either elderly or deceased. Also, I think R* wanted to start fresh with IV, i.e. no ties to other storylines at all.
::::::::{{Rebut}} Well, IV is set over 20 years ahead of VC and SA, so everyone from those games is probably either elderly or deceased. Also, I think R* wanted to start fresh with IV, i.e. no ties to other storylines at all.
:::::::::{{Rebut}} There is actually one returning character in GTA IV who was in the rest, he may not be seen but he ''is ''a character in their world...  [[Lazlow Jones]], (known for [[Chatterbox FM]], [[V Rock]], [[Integrity 2.0]] etc.
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{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
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:{{Rebut}} That makes Niko different. He probably had the worst past of all the protagonists. He watched his best friends get murdered and had to hide the truth of his Aunt's death from Roman. After something like that, I don't think I'd be happy to kill either. Besides, you can choose who you want to kill half of the time.
:{{Rebut}} That makes Niko different. He probably had the worst past of all the protagonists. He watched his best friends get murdered and had to hide the truth of his Aunt's death from Roman. After something like that, I don't think I'd be happy to kill either. Besides, you can choose who you want to kill half of the time.
::{{Rebut}} I don't see how his behaviour in the missions is all that inconsistent with his character. Most of the people he has to kill (per mission objectives) are less than innocent. When he does turn on a friend/ally or kill an innocent it's almost universally because ''he has no choice''.<br />
::{{Rebut}} I don't see how his behaviour in the missions is all that inconsistent with his character. Most of the people he has to kill (per mission objectives) are less than innocent. When he does turn on a friend/ally or kill an innocent it's almost universally because ''he has no choice''.<br />
:::{{Rebut}} Outside of mission events, how consistent his behaviour is with his character depends on how you play the game, really. Me, I don't usually go on random rampages when I'm playing seriously, and when I do I don't save the game, so I guess you could say my Niko Bellic is suffering from split personality disorder. :P<br />
:::{{Rebut}} Outside of mission events, how consistent his behaviour is with his character depends on how you play the game, really. Me, I don't usually go on random rampages when I'm playing seriously, and when I do I don't save the game, so I guess you could say my Niko Bellic is suffering from split personality disorder.&nbsp;:P<br />
::::{{Rebut}} Niko, as a character, isn't exactly a mindless psychopath, but he's... disturbed, due to the horrible things he's seen (and done). All that said, you can choose how ruthless he is in the storyline as well, to a degree, with the 'let character live or die' scenarios. Anyway, I guess I agree that Niko's character is somewhat consistent with randomly murdering people in the street, but I'm willing to accept that as a compromise.
::::{{Rebut}} Niko, as a character, isn't exactly a mindless psychopath, but he's... disturbed, due to the horrible things he's seen (and done). All that said, you can choose how ruthless he is in the storyline as well, to a degree, with the 'let character live or die' scenarios. Anyway, I guess I agree that Niko's character is somewhat consistent with randomly murdering people in the street, but I'm willing to accept that as a compromise.
:::::{{Gripe}} "consistent"? you mean inconsistent, right? And Niko does kill a lot of innocents. Or at least "relative" innocents. A lawyer who wants to bust a corrupt cop is relativily innocent. A guy who owns your friend some money is relativily innocent. But he kills them anyway because someone asks him to.
:::::{{Gripe}} "consistent"? you mean inconsistent, right? And Niko does kill a lot of innocents. Or at least "relative" innocents. A lawyer who wants to bust a corrupt cop is relativily innocent. A guy who owns your friend some money is relativily innocent. But he kills them anyway because someone asks him to.
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{{Gripe}}I think Phil Bell should have been one of the friends. He was always straight with Niko, and I think he has more of a backstory than a "malicious bitch" of an ex-wife.
{{Gripe}}I think Phil Bell should have been one of the friends. He was always straight with Niko, and I think he has more of a backstory than a "malicious bitch" of an ex-wife.
:{{Rebut}} In either endings it's impossible for Phil to be Niko's friend.After you complete "A Dish Served Cold" Phil says he didn't trust Dmitri either but he couldn't be seen with him cause the Pregorinos were falling apart,I think he also left town.I don't have a reason for the Deal story but regardless Niko only worked for the Mafia to find Darko Brevic,also in either ending Jimmy dies so its likely Phil took over even though he's 99 percent Irish.
:{{Rebut}} In either endings it's impossible for Phil to be Niko's friend.After you complete "A Dish Served Cold" Phil says he didn't trust Dmitri either but he couldn't be seen with him cause the Pregorinos were falling apart,I think he also left town.I don't have a reason for the Deal story but regardless Niko only worked for the Mafia to find Darko Brevic,also in either ending Jimmy dies so its likely Phil took over even though he's 99 percent Irish.
:{{Gripe}}Why is Roman older if he looks way younger than Niko? That I kinda slowed down the realism for me. And if both Bellic cousins are Serbian how come Roman never speaks it?
:{{Gripe}}Why is Roman older if he looks way younger than Niko? That I kinda slowed down the realism for me. And if both Bellic cousins are Serbian how come Roman never speaks it?
:{{Rebut}} Roman does speak a few words of Serbian in some dialogs during the game so that is not entirely true. Plus do you know what Roman is doing every second of his life? The answer... no. So so how do we compleatly know that he doesent speak serbian? Also Roman came to america to help forget his past and a dialog early in the game has roman saying to niko: "Watch yourself cousin, i compleatly forgotton our language yet".
:{{Rebut}} Roman does speak a few words of Serbian in some dialogs during the game so that is not entirely true. Plus do you know what Roman is doing every second of his life? The answer... no. So so how do we compleatly know that he doesent speak serbian? Also Roman came to america to help forget his past and a dialog early in the game has roman saying to niko: "Watch yourself cousin, i compleatly forgotton our language yet".
:{{Rebut}} I think you mean he HASN'T completely forgotten our language. Also, if you watch the opening cutscene, Niko says "Good to see you, cousin" in Serbian, causing Roman to get confused. He then says cabbages and tells Niko that he can speak English. This explains why he mostly talks English, because there's no need to talk in Serbian.
:{{Rebut}} I think you mean he HASN'T completely forgotten our language. Also, if you watch the opening cutscene, Niko says "Good to see you, cousin" in Serbian, causing Roman to get confused. He then says cabbages and tells Niko that he can speak English. This explains why he mostly talks English, because there's no need to talk in Serbian.
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{{Gripe}}How come during the car ride after Roman's apartment was burned down Roman was megapissed while Niko was feeling all sorry and apologetic. Then, when they get to Bohan, Roman's all optimistic about the new apartment while Niko's the one who's pissed off. It's kinda weird how the two switched roles that quickly.
{{Gripe}}How come during the car ride after Roman's apartment was burned down Roman was megapissed while Niko was feeling all sorry and apologetic. Then, when they get to Bohan, Roman's all optimistic about the new apartment while Niko's the one who's pissed off. It's kinda weird how the two switched roles that quickly.
 
:{Rebut} That's just the way Roman is, at first he was frightened, scared, and depressed, so Niko was being apoligetic, and slightly comforting, though when Roman finally tryed looking on the bright side at the new apartment, Niko realized&nbsp;Roman was fine, and decided to express how he was really feeling. They're two very complex characters haha.
[[Category:GTA IV Gripes]]
[[Category:GTA IV Gripes]]