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| businesses = Arms dealing <br> Drug trafficking <small>(Big Smoke's crew)</small> | | businesses = Arms dealing <br> Drug trafficking <small>(Big Smoke's crew)</small> | ||
| fronts = [[Grove Street]]<br />[[Johnson House]]<br />[[Sweet's House]]<br />[[Ryder's House]]<br />[[Emmet's]] | | fronts = [[Grove Street]]<br />[[Johnson House]]<br />[[Sweet's House]]<br />[[Ryder's House]]<br />[[Emmet's]] | ||
| members = [[Sweet]]<br />[[Carl Johnson]]<br />[[Big Smoke]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Ryder]]<small>(deceased)</small><br />[[B Dup]] <small>(former)</small><br />[[Big Bear]]<br />[[Big Devil]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Little Devil]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Tony (GSF)|Tony]] <small>(deceased)</small> | | members = [[Sweet]]<br />[[Carl Johnson]]<br />[[Big Smoke]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Ryder]]<small>(deceased)</small><br />[[B Dup]] <small>(former)</small><br />[[Big Bear]]<br />[[Big Devil]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Little Devil]] <small>(deceased)</small><br />[[Tony (GSF)|Tony]] <small>(deceased)</small><br>Troy<br>Tarnell | ||
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'''Grove Street Families''', also known as '''The Families''', '''Groves''' or '''GSF''' for short, is a leading gang set in Los Santos that appears in [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]]. Acting as the native gang of [[Carl Johnson|Carl "CJ" Johnson]], the [[protagonist]] of the game, who eventually becomes a high-ranking co-leader, it is led by deuteragonist [[Sweet|Sean "Sweet" Johnson]], and is heavily involved in the criminal underworld of Los Santos and [[San Andreas in GTA III Era|San Andreas]]. | |||
==History== | == History == | ||
The formation date of the Families, and Grove Street Families as a set is unknown. However, it is said that they are one of the oldest gangs in Los Santos. Since the Ballas formed in the 1970's, this puts the formation of the Grove Street Families to the 1960's or earlier. It is obvious the set was formed in [[Grove Street]], [[Ganton]] due to their name. The Grove Street Families have a history of a traditional, intense, and bloody rivalry with the [[Ballas]]. Specifically when the gang war started is unknown, but the rivalry between the two gangs was in full swing as early as 1987. | The formation date of the Families, and Grove Street Families as a set is unknown. However, it is said that they are one of the oldest gangs in Los Santos. Since the Ballas formed in the 1970's, this puts the formation of the Grove Street Families to the 1960's or earlier. It is obvious the set was formed in [[Grove Street]], [[Ganton]] due to their name. The Grove Street Families have a history of a traditional, intense, and bloody rivalry with the [[Ballas]]. Specifically when the gang war started is unknown, but the rivalry between the two gangs was in full swing as early as 1987. | ||
The 1987 - 1992 period saw the Families begin to lose ground to the Ballas who became heavily involved in the drugs trade. Many OG's and high-ranking members were killed at this time - including [[Big Devil]], [[Little Devil]], and [[Tony]] as well the younger brother of Sweet and CJ - [[Brian Johnson]]. Sweet, remained adamant in his objection to the Families becoming involved in the trade. [[Big Smoke]], a high ranking member, began to see the fall of the gang and the potential for power, influence and money the trade could bring. He secretly formed a business deal between the Ballas, [[Los Santos Vagos]] and the corrupt [[C.R.A.S.H.|Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums]] department of the [[LSPD in GTA III Era|LSPD]] for drugs and crack-cocaine, while remaining involved in the Families to pass on information about their activities. Just before CJ's return in 1992, Big Smoke was also able to influence [[Ryder]] about the money and power that they could make from drugs. OG and high-ranking member [[B-Dup]] also becomes involved in the drugs trade and turns away from the GSF and gang-banging - while high-ranking OG [[Big Bear]] becomes a weak and hopeless crack addict and house slave of B-Dup. | The 1987 - 1992 period saw the Families begin to lose ground to the Ballas who became heavily involved in the drugs trade. Many OG's and high-ranking members were killed at this time - including [[Big Devil]], [[Little Devil]], and [[Tony]] as well the younger brother of Sweet and CJ - [[Brian Johnson]]. Sweet always maintained that drug dealing ultimately brought gangs to ruin, and thus remained adamant in his objection to the Families becoming involved in the trade. [[Big Smoke]], a high ranking member, began to see the fall of the gang and the potential for power, influence and money the trade could bring. He secretly formed a business deal between the Ballas, [[Los Santos Vagos]] and the corrupt [[C.R.A.S.H.|Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums]] department of the [[LSPD in GTA III Era|LSPD]] for drugs and crack-cocaine, while remaining involved in the Families to pass on information about their activities. Just before CJ's return in 1992, Big Smoke was also able to influence [[Ryder]] about the money and power that they could make from drugs. OG and high-ranking member [[B-Dup]] also becomes involved in the drugs trade and turns away from the GSF and gang-banging - while high-ranking OG [[Big Bear]] becomes a weak and hopeless crack addict and house slave of B-Dup. | ||
The Grove Street Families were originally one large gang during the late 1980's. However, during the early 1990's, they split off into different "family" sets. This included the "Seville Boulevard Families", the "Temple Drive Families" and the "Grove Street Families". The primary reason for the split was due to the weakening of the gang by the Ballas and Vagos - causing the Grove Street Families to become unstable, and also because of differences in relation to the drugs trade as [[Sweet]] and the original Grove Street Families set in Ganton were against drug dealing. | The Grove Street Families were originally one large gang during the late 1980's. However, during the early 1990's, they split off into different "family" sets. This included the "Seville Boulevard Families", the "Temple Drive Families" and the "Grove Street Families". The primary reason for the split was due to the weakening of the gang by the Ballas and Vagos - causing the Grove Street Families to become unstable, and also because of differences in relation to the drugs trade as [[Sweet]] and the original Grove Street Families set in Ganton were against drug dealing. | ||
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Prior to 1992, the Grove Street Families also controlled parts of southern [[East Los Santos in GTA III Era|East Los Santos]] and [[Idlewood]] before been taken by the Ballas. It is also likely, but unknown if they controlled [[Willowfield]] due to [[Emmet]]'s presence there. | Prior to 1992, the Grove Street Families also controlled parts of southern [[East Los Santos in GTA III Era|East Los Santos]] and [[Idlewood]] before been taken by the Ballas. It is also likely, but unknown if they controlled [[Willowfield]] due to [[Emmet]]'s presence there. | ||
==Events of GTA San Andreas== | == Events of GTA San Andreas == | ||
The Grove Street Families are in a sorry state upon CJ's return in 1992. Repeated pressure from the Ballas and Vagos, the breaking up into different rival sets, their unwillingness to keep up with changes to make money or gain respect (refusal to sell drugs), and the heavy influence of crack cocaine in their territory has led to their downfall into the weakest and least influential gang in Los Santos. | The Grove Street Families are in a sorry state upon CJ's return in 1992. Repeated pressure from the Ballas and Vagos, the breaking up into different rival sets, their unwillingness to keep up with changes to make money or gain respect (refusal to sell drugs), and the heavy influence of crack cocaine in their territory has led to their downfall into the weakest and least influential gang in Los Santos. | ||
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If the player wishes, they can take over all territory from the Ballas and the Vagos through the gang war mini-game - making the Grove Street Families the largest and most powerful gang in Los Santos. | If the player wishes, they can take over all territory from the Ballas and the Vagos through the gang war mini-game - making the Grove Street Families the largest and most powerful gang in Los Santos. | ||
==Description== | == Description == | ||
The Grove Street Families are a street gang that are easily identifiable by their green gang color. They are involved in gang-banging, street violence, murder, gang warfare, vandalism and arms dealing. They can be found walking and driving around their territory - often seen smoking marijuana, drinking malt liquor and talking in groups. Like the other gangs, the Families will often flash their gang hand-signs as a form of representation. They also mark their territory with graffiti. Upon spotting a Balla, Vago, or | The Grove Street Families are a street gang that are easily identifiable by their green gang color. They are involved in gang-banging, street violence, murder, gang warfare, vandalism and arms dealing. They can be found walking and driving around their territory - often seen smoking marijuana, drinking malt liquor and talking in groups. Like the other gangs, the Families will often flash their gang hand-signs as a form of representation. They also mark their territory with graffiti. Upon spotting a Balla, Vago, Azteca, Rifa, [[San Fierro Triads|San Fierro Triad]], or [[Mafia|Italian Mafia]] gang member (especially Ballas) - they will often react with hostility - usually resulting in a street-fight or a fire-fight/shoot-out. | ||
They are depicted as more honorable and traditional | They are depicted as more honorable and traditional than the other gangs of Los Santos. Refusing to adapt to changes in the city - they are quite stubborn. Primarily due to Sweet, they refuse to sell drugs (especially crack cocaine) because Sweet believes it ruins the neighborhood and causes members to be influenced by money, bringing them away from gang-banging. This puts them at a massive disadvantage to the other gangs who are able to make massive profits by selling crack cocaine. However, some OG's are thought to be heavily involved in the PCP business. | ||
On the streets, the Families are either unarmed or carry the 9mm [[pistol]]. Upon completion of | On the streets, the Families are either unarmed or carry the 9mm [[pistol]]. Upon completion of [[Robbing Uncle Sam]] for Ryder, the Families begin carrying the [[TEC 9]] sub-machine gun. In missions, they can be seen carrying the [[micro-SMG]] sub-machine gun. If all tags are sprayed by the player in Los Santos, the families replace the Tec-9 and 9mm pistol with the [[knife]], [[Desert Eagle]], and the [[MP5]]. | ||
As with the other gangs in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, the Ballas have three different skins that walk and drive around their territory. These include: | As with the other gangs in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, the Ballas have three different skins that walk and drive around their territory. These include: | ||
* The first member is slightly overweight, wears a green sweater, black khakis, white sneakers and a green bandana. | |||
* The second member wears a green #7 [[Rimmers]] Basketball jersey, black khakis, a backwards black baseball cap, a golden cross chain, a golden watch and black/white sneakers. | |||
* The third member has dreadlocks, wears a green button-up plaid/flannel checkered jacket with a white shirt underneath, beige khaki pants and black and white hi-top sneakers. | |||
== Sets == | |||
==Sets== | |||
There are three known sets of the Families: | There are three known sets of the Families: | ||
* The Grove Street Families (GSF) ([[Ganton]], [[Glen Park]] ([[Doberman]]/[[Beat Down on B-Dup]]), [[Idlewood]] ([[Grove 4 Life]]) | * The Grove Street Families (GSF) ([[Ganton]], [[Glen Park]] ([[Doberman]]/[[Beat Down on B-Dup]]), [[Idlewood]] ([[Grove 4 Life]]) | ||
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The difference between the sets are initially based off of different approaches to the drugs trade. The Grove Street Families are against the trade of crack cocaine - where as the Seville Boulevard Families and the Temple Drive Families weren't. However, upon unification; the crack cocaine trade amongst all sets stops and the differences from that point primarily rely on territorial differences. The Grove Street Families set is initially the weakest set during the beginning of the game, but eventually becomes the most powerful and active set throughout the game. The Grove Street Family set is the native set of CJ, Sweet, Big Smoke, Ryder, B-Dup and Big Bear. Sweet leads the set. The leaders of the other sets is unknown; however, Sweet resumes leadership over the other sets upon unification. | The difference between the sets are initially based off of different approaches to the drugs trade. The Grove Street Families are against the trade of crack cocaine - where as the Seville Boulevard Families and the Temple Drive Families weren't. However, upon unification; the crack cocaine trade amongst all sets stops and the differences from that point primarily rely on territorial differences. The Grove Street Families set is initially the weakest set during the beginning of the game, but eventually becomes the most powerful and active set throughout the game. The Grove Street Family set is the native set of CJ, Sweet, Big Smoke, Ryder, B-Dup and Big Bear. Sweet leads the set. The leaders of the other sets is unknown; however, Sweet resumes leadership over the other sets upon unification. | ||
==Gang Cars== | == Gang Cars == | ||
The Grove Street Families can be seen driving the [[Greenwood]], [[Savanna]] and the [[Voodoo]]. The [[Savanna]] and the [[Voodoo]] sometimes comes with hydraulics. Their favorite radio station is [[Radio Los Santos]]. | The Grove Street Families can be seen driving the [[Greenwood]], [[Savanna]] and the [[Voodoo]]. The [[Savanna]] and the [[Voodoo]] sometimes comes with hydraulics. Their favorite radio station is [[Radio Los Santos]]. | ||
==Members and Associates== | Like with other gangs, the player can modify the [[cargrp.dat/GTASA|cargrp.dat]] file to make the Grove Street Families drive any vehicle that the player chooses. | ||
== Members and Associates == | |||
* Sean "[[Sweet]]" Johnson: Leader and OG of the Grove Street Families. | * Sean "[[Sweet]]" Johnson: Leader and OG of the Grove Street Families. | ||
* Carl "[[CJ]]" Johnson: Second-in-command and OG of the Grove Street Families. Brother of Grove Street leader Sweet. | * Carl "[[CJ]]" Johnson: Second-in-command and OG of the Grove Street Families. Brother of Grove Street leader Sweet. | ||
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* Jeffrey "[[OG Loc]]" Cross: Associate, wannabe-member and friend of many OG's including leaders Sweet and CJ. Jeffrey grew up on Grove Street but lacked the physical capability or mentality to join the Families. | * Jeffrey "[[OG Loc]]" Cross: Associate, wannabe-member and friend of many OG's including leaders Sweet and CJ. Jeffrey grew up on Grove Street but lacked the physical capability or mentality to join the Families. | ||
* [[LB]]: Supplier/Associate and friend of Ryder (although not physically seen, he was mentioned multiple times by Ryder). | * [[LB]]: Supplier/Associate and friend of Ryder (although not physically seen, he was mentioned multiple times by Ryder). | ||
* Three Deep: Possible associate or member (although not physically seen, he was mentioned once by Big Smoke). | * Three Deep: Possible associate or member (although not physically seen, he was mentioned once by Big Smoke). | ||
* Troy: Gang Member of the Grove Street Families. | |||
* Tarnell: Gang Member of the Grove Street Families. | |||
==Mission appearances== | == Mission appearances == | ||
* [[The Introduction]] | * [[The Introduction]] | ||
* [[Big Smoke (mission)|Big Smoke]] | * [[Big Smoke (mission)|Big Smoke]] | ||
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* [[End of the Line]] | * [[End of the Line]] | ||
==Grove Street Families in the HD Universe== | == Grove Street Families in the HD Universe == | ||
The existence of Grove Street Families is revealed in a conversation between [[Franklin Clinton]] and [[Lamar Davis]] in the mission [[Hood Safari]]: | The existence of Grove Street Families is revealed in a conversation between [[Franklin Clinton]] and [[Lamar Davis]] in the mission [[Hood Safari]]: | ||
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Franklin: If we lucky, man. Shit, at the moment, it looks like we're gonna end up the other direction. <br /> | Franklin: If we lucky, man. Shit, at the moment, it looks like we're gonna end up the other direction. <br /> | ||
==Trivia== | == Trivia == | ||
*The original beta name for the gang was '''Orange Grove Families'''. Beta graffiti around South Central Los Santos referring to the "Orange Grove Families" and the "OGF" still exist. Likewise, CJ can get a tattoo on his upper back in Los Santos that references the "Orange Grove Families". CJ will also sometimes shout out phrases related to the "Orange Grove Families" and the "OGF" during a fight. | * The original beta name for the gang was '''Orange Grove Families'''. Beta graffiti around South Central Los Santos referring to the "Orange Grove Families" and the "OGF" still exist. Likewise, CJ can get a tattoo on his upper back in Los Santos that references the "Orange Grove Families". CJ will also sometimes shout out phrases related to the "Orange Grove Families" and the "OGF" during a fight. | ||
*In the beta version of the game, the Grove Street Families looked different | * In the beta version of the game, the Grove Street Families looked different | ||
*An additional two Grove Street Family members/skins can be seen during the mission cutscenes of [[House Party]] and [[Los Sepulcros]]. It is unknown why they do not appear on the streets, though mods for the PC version exist to make them appear. | * An additional two Grove Street Family members/skins can be seen during the mission cutscenes of [[House Party]] and [[Los Sepulcros]]. It is unknown why they do not appear on the streets, though mods for the PC version exist to make them appear. | ||
*The player can choose to take control of all [[Ballas]] and [[Los Santos Vagos]] turf for the Grove Street Families, although this is not needed for [[Completion in GTA San Andreas|completing the game]]. | * The player can choose to take control of all [[Ballas]] and [[Los Santos Vagos]] turf for the Grove Street Families, although this is not needed for [[Completion in GTA San Andreas|completing the game]]. | ||
*The favorite [[Radio Stations in GTA San Andreas|radio station]] of Grove Street Families members is [[Radio Los Santos]]. | * The favorite [[Radio Stations in GTA San Andreas|radio station]] of Grove Street Families members is [[Radio Los Santos]]. | ||
*The rivalry between the Grove Street Families and the Ballas is loosely based off of the rivalry between the Bloods and the Crips in Los Angeles. Violence between the two gangs hit a peak during the early 1990's - largely due to the crack cocaine epidemic. A situation mirrored in early 1990's Los Santos. | * The rivalry between the Grove Street Families and the Ballas is loosely based off of the rivalry between the Bloods and the Crips in Los Angeles. Violence between the two gangs hit a peak during the early 1990's - largely due to the crack cocaine epidemic. A situation mirrored in early 1990's Los Santos. | ||
*Many members are seen wearing basketball jerseys, green bandanas, green hats, sweatshirts or plaid button-up shirts. | * The Grove Street Families members are automatically programmed to kill any law enforcement officers trying to [[Busted|arrest]] or [[Wasted|kill]] the player. | ||
* | * Many members are seen wearing basketball jerseys, green bandanas, green hats, sweatshirts or plaid button-up shirts. | ||
* This is possibly a coincidence, but in [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]], groups of men wearing outfits similar to the Grove Street Families can be seen in some locations around [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era|Liberty City]]. | |||
==Gallery== | == Gallery == | ||
===Members/Associates=== | === Members/Associates === | ||
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|<gallery width="auto" perrow="6" style="font-size:95%; padding:0;" widths="120"> | |<gallery width="auto" perrow="6" style="font-size:95%; padding:0;" widths="120"> | ||
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==Gang tags== | == Gang tags == | ||
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===Non-interactive graffiti=== | === Non-interactive graffiti === | ||
{| align="center" | {| align="center" | ||
|<gallery width="auto" perrow="6" style="font-size:95%; padding:0;" widths="120"> | |<gallery width="auto" perrow="6" style="font-size:95%; padding:0;" widths="120"> | ||
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==References== | == References == | ||
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