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:::Loadingue is cool. He seems to be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to hidden gems in game data, but I'm not sure if he covers GTALCS/GTAVCS, because these games sure hell aren't PC based and thus are more difficult to take apart. Wouldn't hurt to ask him though. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC) | :::Loadingue is cool. He seems to be pretty knowledgeable when it comes to hidden gems in game data, but I'm not sure if he covers GTALCS/GTAVCS, because these games sure hell aren't PC based and thus are more difficult to take apart. Wouldn't hurt to ask him though. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 18:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Thank you for soliciting me. By checking the history of the Beta Vehicles page, I've found out that [[User:Amd64]] is the one who first wrote about the [[Bullion]], [[Tommy ( | ::::Thank you for soliciting me. By checking the history of the Beta Vehicles page, I've found out that [[User:Amd64]] is the one who first wrote about the [[Bullion]], [[Tommy (vehicle)|Tommy]], [[Skoiloine]], etc. Perhaps a few questions should be asked to him. To get back to your enquiry, I only cover the PC version, as ZS explained. However sometimes I get my hands on some PS or Xbox files. But that occurs very rarely. If you need some pieces of information about something in particular, I'll do everything I can in order to obtain them.--[[User:Loadingue|Loadingue]] 11:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Interesting. I thought it be near impossible to look at PS2, and Xbox files? I haven't found out what to use for the stories games. Although the PS2 TXD Viewer, and TXD Workshop works for GTA III, GTA VC, and GTA SA. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC) | :::::Interesting. I thought it be near impossible to look at PS2, and Xbox files? I haven't found out what to use for the stories games. Although the PS2 TXD Viewer, and TXD Workshop works for GTA III, GTA VC, and GTA SA. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:I think "station" should refer to the structure and "department" should refer to the entity. Like the VC police department has four police stations around the city. Or the sheriff department has only one office in this small town.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 22:21, 2 June 2011 (BST) | :I think "station" should refer to the structure and "department" should refer to the entity. Like the VC police department has four police stations around the city. Or the sheriff department has only one office in this small town.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 22:21, 2 June 2011 (BST) | ||
A police department is a police force/agency in its own right, a whole organisation rather than just part of a bigger organisation. So [[VCPD]] is a police force on its own, not a department of the Vice State police or any bigger police force, but it is still called a department because they are departments of the city's government (as in Vice City, Department of: Police). In the US, the city is in charge of whatever level of policing they decide to pay for, unlike in the UK where it is much more standardised and separate from local government. In [[San Andreas]], each city has its own police department (LSPD, SFPD, LVPD) reporting to that city's government, the state also has a Sheriff's department, and there could theoretically be county police departments too.<br>A police department is split up into boroughs, precincts, squads, bureaus, sections, divisions, units etc. The guys above are correct that VCPD will have several stations, and apart from the headquarters, each will probably be the police station for a certain borough/precinct (but we can't invent what those might be). So the overall organisation (VCPD) is called a department, the buildings are just police stations, and one of the buildings is probably the VCPD Headquarters. Also, is [http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/EliteTerm/Designs/ViceCityPoliceDepartmentLogocopy.png this logo] legit or has someone made it themselves, because it's better quality than ours? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 00:33, 3 June 2011 (BST) | A police department is a police force/agency in its own right, a whole organisation rather than just part of a bigger organisation. So [[VCPD in GTA III Era|VCPD]] is a police force on its own, not a department of the Vice State police or any bigger police force, but it is still called a department because they are departments of the city's government (as in Vice City, Department of: Police). In the US, the city is in charge of whatever level of policing they decide to pay for, unlike in the UK where it is much more standardised and separate from local government. In [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|San Andreas]], each city has its own police department (LSPD, SFPD, LVPD) reporting to that city's government, the state also has a Sheriff's department, and there could theoretically be county police departments too.<br>A police department is split up into boroughs, precincts, squads, bureaus, sections, divisions, units etc. The guys above are correct that VCPD will have several stations, and apart from the headquarters, each will probably be the police station for a certain borough/precinct (but we can't invent what those might be). So the overall organisation (VCPD) is called a department, the buildings are just police stations, and one of the buildings is probably the VCPD Headquarters. Also, is [http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/EliteTerm/Designs/ViceCityPoliceDepartmentLogocopy.png this logo] legit or has someone made it themselves, because it's better quality than ours? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 00:33, 3 June 2011 (BST) | ||
:That image isn't legit. His album also has a lot of custom police badges and logos--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 04:52, 3 June 2011 (BST) | :That image isn't legit. His album also has a lot of custom police badges and logos--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 04:52, 3 June 2011 (BST) | ||
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:The contents of that page can be summarized in a paragraph or two in a section about the physical presence of the depot in the [[Express Car Service]] page. We don't need separate pages for the same reason mentioned above; it forces readers to navigate across multiple pages to read about a subject matter, and adds extra workload to the editors when links need to be added or information needs to be corrected. It's like creating a page for ''every'' [[Pay 'n' Spray]] outlet, despite each varying only by location. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:34, 2 October 2011 (BST) | :The contents of that page can be summarized in a paragraph or two in a section about the physical presence of the depot in the [[Express Car Service]] page. We don't need separate pages for the same reason mentioned above; it forces readers to navigate across multiple pages to read about a subject matter, and adds extra workload to the editors when links need to be added or information needs to be corrected. It's like creating a page for ''every'' [[Pay 'n' Spray]] outlet, despite each varying only by location. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:34, 2 October 2011 (BST) | ||
Interesting discussion. You're right that there is a difference between the company and its outlets. However, in this situation they are so closely tied together that anyone who looks at one would ''expect'' to find information about the other. With [[SAPD]] etc there are many police stations, but there can be quite a lot of information about some of them, so individual pages are useful. Whilst for [[24/7]] there are lots of outlets but they are almost identical, so having 13 identical articles for all the different 24/7 shops in San Andreas would be silly - a list/table is much better (and you can add a bullet point for every difference in each store, if any). | Interesting discussion. You're right that there is a difference between the company and its outlets. However, in this situation they are so closely tied together that anyone who looks at one would ''expect'' to find information about the other. With [[San Andreas Police Department|SAPD]] etc there are many police stations, but there can be quite a lot of information about some of them, so individual pages are useful. Whilst for [[24/7]] there are lots of outlets but they are almost identical, so having 13 identical articles for all the different 24/7 shops in San Andreas would be silly - a list/table is much better (and you can add a bullet point for every difference in each store, if any). | ||
With Romans Taxis, I don't think there is ''much'' information that would belong on the individual outlet pages. Most of the info on both [[Express Car Service Depot]] and [[Roman's Taxi Depot, Algonquin]] is about the storyline, not the building, which all should be on the company's [[Express Car Service]] page. Unless the articles have useful detailed descriptions of the buildings (like [[Washington Beach Police Station|this]]), then we don't need articles about the buildings. With the information that exists at the moment, it all belongs on one page. Make sense? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:58, 2 October 2011 (BST) | With Romans Taxis, I don't think there is ''much'' information that would belong on the individual outlet pages. Most of the info on both [[Express Car Service Depot]] and [[Roman's Taxi Depot, Algonquin]] is about the storyline, not the building, which all should be on the company's [[Express Car Service]] page. Unless the articles have useful detailed descriptions of the buildings (like [[Washington Beach Police Station|this]]), then we don't need articles about the buildings. With the information that exists at the moment, it all belongs on one page. Make sense? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:58, 2 October 2011 (BST) | ||