Community:GTA IV Gripes/Characters: Difference between revisions

:{{Rebut}}There is an [[Secrets and Easter Eggs in GTA IV|Easter Egg]] that shows the previous protagonists along with "R.I.P."

::{{Gripe}}Where is the location to this easter egg?

{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.

:{{Rebut}}Isn't the game supposed to be more serious? I mean come on, the games based in poor, old, drug and crime filled New York. Nothing funny about that. But i do agree they aren't as funny as prior games but I understand why Rockstar did that.

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{{Gripe}}Some of the characters are downright painful and tedious. i.e. Brucie, Dwayne etc.

::{{Gripe}}Or just another failure attempt of realism by R*.

:::{{Rebut}} It is not "just another failure attempt of realism", it was obviously a mistake in the programming and not R*'s fault.

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:{{Rebut}}Niko wasn't meant to like them. As Niko has said to Roman in a phone call, he only dates his online girlfriends to give him something to do.

:{{Rebut}}Despite her vainness (is that even a word?) and sheer lack of anything even remotely resembling intelligence, Alex turned out to be my favorite and the only one I have any interest in what she has to say.

{{Gripe}} Of all the characters, Carl 'CJ' Johnson is the only one considered dead??Carl is the only one considered canon??why

:{{Rebut}}All of the characters are considered canon, but all are dead.

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{{Gripe}}Niko spends all his time complaining about his life and tells Roman that there's no such thing as a clean start, yet when Dwayne complains about his past, Niko tells him to shut up and have fun!

{{Gripe}} Out of all the GTA main characters, Niko feels the most ''out of place'' with the type of game GTA IV is. Claude, Tommy, and Carl all ''feel right'' when stealing cars, killing people, and blowing up police cars. When Niko does it....it feels sorta wierd. His "cutscene" personality doesn't fit with the things he does during missions, like killing friends or innocents. I think a game with Playboy X's character (not his background story, just his character) would match the story better.

:{{Rebut}} That makes Niko different. He probably had the worst past of all the protagonists. He watched his best friends get murdered and had to hide the truth of his Aunt's death from Roman. After something like that, I don't think I'd be happy to kill either. Besides, you can choose who you want to kill half of the time.

::::{{Rebut}} Niko, as a character, isn't exactly a mindless psychopath, but he's... disturbed, due to the horrible things he's seen (and done). All that said, you can choose how ruthless he is in the storyline as well, to a degree, with the 'let character live or die' scenarios. Anyway, I guess I agree that Niko's character is somewhat consistent with randomly murdering people in the street, but I'm willing to accept that as a compromise.

:::::{{Gripe}} "consistent"? you mean inconsistent, right? And Niko does kill a lot of innocents. Or at least "relative" innocents. A lawyer who wants to bust a corrupt cop is relativily innocent. A guy who owns your friend some money is relativily innocent. But he kills them anyway because someone asks him to.

::::::{{Rebut}} Yes, I meant inconsistent, sorry.

:::::::{{Rebut}} Victor feels less out of place, in my opinion.

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{{Gripe}} A minor nitpick, but I wanted to mention it. During the shootouts in most missions, Niko screams vicious obscenities at his opponents even though, in most cases, he has no logical reason to be enraged at them. During the shootout in the Majestic hotel to take out the diamond dealers, for example, they're just obstacles in the way of a job that needs to be done, nothing more. It seems more than a bit out of character that Niko screams something like "AAAARRRRRGGGHHH, MOTHERFUCKERS!" at people he's only shooting at because he's being paid to, because it's at odds with his supposedly calm and collected personality. I could understand if he only did so while fighting the goons working for Rascalov, for example, because they represent someone he despises, but the fact is that he gets this worked up while fighting ''anyone''. It's also a bit of a awkward jolt for me compared to what I'm thinking. (I'm usually thinking things like "target down" and "nade out" during a shootout. Yes, I play too many tactical shooters. >_>)

::::::{{Gripe}}Not really true. If a person becomes homeless, he/she will lose everything, and that means no house, cars towed away, become jobless, even lose a wife. GTA IV has no realism whatsoever when it comes to homeless people driving cars, ESPECIALLY when they lost everything.

:::::::{{Rebut}} Still not entirely true. A person can own a car that is paid off completely like a used car they bought from a private owner and that can happen before a person becomes homeless. So just because you're homeless doesn't mean you can't live an a car you officially own. Now getting the gas to power said car is another matter but can come down to stealing gas or getting enough money to drive it if possible.

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{{Gripe}}Niko is a Serbian. In a few missions he spoke serbian and that's not a serbian accent. Neither is Roman's or Florian's or Darko's.

::{{Gripe}} But couldn't R* hire Serbian voice actors for Serbian protagonists. They could've easily hired a Serbian voice actor.

:::{{Rebut}} Don't want to get into a nationality war but R* gave vague description of their supposed ethnicity but it's regarded as somewhere in former Yugoslavia, that out of the way the accent can be ambiguous since the actual country Niko, Roman et al are truly from is left just as ambiguous (or even made-up).

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{{Gripe}}I think Phil Bell should have been one of the friends. He was always straight with Niko, and I think he has more of a backstory than a "malicious bitch" of an ex-wife.

:{{Rebut}} Roman does speak a few words of Serbian in some dialogs during the game so that is not entirely true. Plus do you know what Roman is doing every second of his life? The answer... no. So so how do we compleatly know that he doesent speak serbian? Also Roman came to america to help forget his past and a dialog early in the game has roman saying to niko: "Watch yourself cousin, i compleatly forgotton our language yet".

:{{Rebut}} I think you mean he HASN'T completely forgotten our language. Also, if you watch the opening cutscene, Niko says "Good to see you, cousin" in Serbian, causing Roman to get confused. He then says cabbages and tells Niko that he can speak English. This explains why he mostly talks English, because there's no need to talk in Serbian.

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{{Gripe}}How come during the car ride after Roman's apartment was burned down Roman was megapissed while Niko was feeling all sorry and apologetic. Then, when they get to Bohan, Roman's all optimistic about the new apartment while Niko's the one who's pissed off. It's kinda weird how the two switched roles that quickly.

:{{Rebut}} That's just the way Roman is, at first he was frightened, scared, and depressed, so Niko was being apoligetic, and slightly comforting, though when Roman finally tryed looking on the bright side at the new apartment, Niko realized Roman was fine, and decided to express how he was really feeling. They're two very complex characters haha.