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 :Is there any evidence for the existence of Niko's gloves? He isn't wearing any in any of the trailers, and I don't think any shops sell them. It's silly to assume such a thing just because of this hand motion, which isn't exactly precise, can be easily misinterpreted. There are images of the sniper [http://www.g4g.it/phpnews/images/GTA4_Behind_Enemy_lines_trailer_01.jpg here] and [http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/behind_enemy_lines/vladimir_mashkov/enemy4.jpg here]. I do see a resemblance, possibly a strong one. I think gloves would be a step too far though - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 22:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
-There is MAJOR evidence to the gloves.  First of all, he is wearing them on the disc.  Second, it shows them on the back of the case, the picture where he is commiting grand theft auto.--[[User:Canadian Reject|Canadian Reject]] 12:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
+There is MAJOR evidence to the gloves. First of all, he is wearing them on the disc. Second, it shows them on the back of the case, the picture where he is commiting grand theft auto.--[[User:Canadian Reject|Canadian Reject]] 12:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 ::Hey guys im just going to add that the image searches for Niko Bellic on Google all come up with the same guy from Behind Enemy Lines so i guess thats where Rockstar got their ideas from. Maybe we should look out for other characters that have come from movies.--[[User:Deadeye...|Deadeye...]] 18:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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 Niko is Serbian i looked it up and it is Serbian Short for Nikola which is also a Serbian name. And the comment on his last name before he it would be Belic but since it is given in the game it is Bellic a Serbian name Niko Bellic full name was guest by Tom Goldburg so none knows if his name is Nikola or Nikolai. And i have a friend that is a Serbia decent and he ask me to remove the subs and he translated all what niko said and one more thing he (my friend) said that he get speak Yugo or russian. Niko is serb. There proof found.[[User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|SSJJ]] [[User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|TSSJJ]] 01:16, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
+There is no name Nikolai in the Serbian language. Niko is short for Nikola. but, if you
+prounance it with a short i, then it means nobody (run it up in the dictionary, but make sure it is a
+SERBIAN-english dictionary, not CROATIAN!!!)
 ==Nationality==
 I just noticed that [[User:Grand Theft Alex|Grand Theft Alex]] changed the article to state that he was born in Serbia. Please note that in 1978, Serbia remained a part of Yugoslavia, so Niko was born in Yugoslavia, is Yugoslavian and is of Serbian descent. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 13:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
+no one knows Niko's Nationality all that is none is that he is from easter europe somewhere but we dont get anything or confirmation on his Nationality.
+I might shed some light. If you watched The Cousins Bellic scene Roman says that his English is better than his Serbian. [[User:Kanzler31|Kanzler31]] 03:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
+When was his nationality EVER confirmed?
 ==Murders==
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 :Really,I only heard this in the deal ending and I still think it sounds useless.I say we remove that part. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] 21:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
-::I believe it was added because it's one of the last things said about Niko in the game, and so could be a springing board for "GTAIV-era" games.  I don't think there's any harm in keeping it there.  --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 02:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
+::I believe it was added because it's one of the last things said about Niko in the game, and so could be a springing board for "GTAIV-era" games. I don't think there's any harm in keeping it there. --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 02:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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 About the name Niko, Niko is not real Serbian name. Niko CAN be a nickname for Nikola or Nikolaj (Nikolai), but Niko is also a real name.
 Rockstar made a big mistake with that surname and with the guy who gave voice to Niko, because accents are totally wrong and turns out that Niko speaks English better than his own language (Serbian).
-For example (second mission) (I will use capital letters which are emphased)  : "Janitor. Of course." -> "ČIstač, narAvno." It shoul be pronounced "ČistAč, nAravno."
+For example (second mission) (I will use capital letters which are emphased) : "Janitor. Of course." -> "ČIstač, narAvno." It shoul be pronounced "ČistAč, nAravno."
 I hope i helped :)
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 Cleaned up the 'Goof' section, and renamed it 'Naming and language errors', which I think gets the message across plainly. [[User:Samadriel|Samadriel]] 09:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
-:Incidentally, I think Rockstar really did make a half-arsed effort on the linguistic side; part of the mispronunciation can be put down to how badly voice-acting is directed and managed in the games industry, but still, it's something that could've been sorted; and the actual naming would've been easy as pie to get right, but... nope!  So I think it's fair to call them errors.  I chose not to explicitly call it an 'error' that Niko has a Croatian name (as Rockstar may have meant it to suggest his dad was Croatian or suchlike).  I find that a bit doubtful though, I'm sure Niko would've had an even ''worse'' wartime experience if he'd been half-Croatian. [[User:Samadriel|Samadriel]] 09:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+:Incidentally, I think Rockstar really did make a half-arsed effort on the linguistic side; part of the mispronunciation can be put down to how badly voice-acting is directed and managed in the games industry, but still, it's something that could've been sorted; and the actual naming would've been easy as pie to get right, but... nope! So I think it's fair to call them errors. I chose not to explicitly call it an 'error' that Niko has a Croatian name (as Rockstar may have meant it to suggest his dad was Croatian or suchlike). I find that a bit doubtful though, I'm sure Niko would've had an even ''worse'' wartime experience if he'd been half-Croatian. [[User:Samadriel|Samadriel]] 09:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Serbs and Croatians hate each other about as much as they both hate the Bosniaks... [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 21:43, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
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-According to wikipedia he had a fraternal twin named Josef Bellic who died in an explosion.  It says he had a rivalry with him.  I don't remeber this metioned in the game though. [[User:Tornmuscle|Tornmuscle]] 15:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
+According to wikipedia he had a fraternal twin named Josef Bellic who died in an explosion. It says he had a rivalry with him. I don't remeber this metioned in the game though. [[User:Tornmuscle|Tornmuscle]] 15:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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+He was mentioned ingame but never referred to as Josef. [[User:Jackass2009|Jackass2009]] 07:28, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
+It's also mentioned that both Roman and Niko liked him. This was brought up when Packie was talking about his brothers(Francis).[[User:Drogo Agent of Voron|Drogo]] 19:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 == Niko Name ==
 I am a Serb, and can you explain in all, Niko is the Croatian name, but this our Niko Belic no connection with the Croatian name. because the Serbian Niko means nobody. That is why Rockstar chose that name.
-* Do you mean that in Serbian, Niko means "nobody"? [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 21:40, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
+* Do you mean that in Serbian, Niko means "nobody"? - EDIT: After asking a family member to translate me the word "Niko", it turns out that it means "None" in Serbian. Also, for some reason, he told me that the word "Bellić" (with two L's) means "Bellied", as in a man that is a bit chubby. I don't know if there is any link behind that, but if there is, then R* did there a very lame joke. [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 21:49, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
+Serbian language has 7 cases, and even more foreigners who all speak in 4 cases you can not understand.
+None means ništa (nishta)
+Niko means nobody
+* Don't worry, I'm French, and what you call cases - which are in fact declensions - are working exactly that way in French too. I understand better what you meant. By the way, don't forget to type four tildes when you are finished writing, so we know who you are. :) [[User:DarkHedge|DarkHedge]] 13:30, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
+* In the name section, it says that Niko means "Nobody" in the Serbian, Bosnian and CROATIAN language.
+Nobody would be "NI'''T'''KO" in Croatian, so that s wrong.
+== [[User:Mforster|Mforster]] 20:56, June 9, 2010 (UTC)Closed Infobox ==
+Why his infobox is closed? I wanna add some of his nicknames and list of cars he owns. --[[User:Orto Dogge|Orto Dogge]] 15:51, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
+:The infobox is not closed or protected - it is on a subpage: [[Niko Bellic/infobox]] [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:23, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
+:
+:Thanks. I'll change it a little. [[User:Orto Dogge|Orto Dogge]] 16:46, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
+== Resemblance? ==
+Some people said Niko Bellic in GTA IV and [[Kivlov]] in GTA 1 are little resemble. [[User:Mr.Korean|Mr.Korean]] 09:17, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
+:They really don't resemble each other. Just because they're both eastern-European, people think they must be the same person or there's some conspiracy? People are silly. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 10:38, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
+== 'Nikolai' ==
+Whenever I think of Niko and his background I swear his full name is Nikolai. Dispite the language errors in the game such as the accent, names, pronounciation, I really think that the interview in GTA IV was a refference (a hint) telling us that his name is Nikolai. I'm not saying we should change the name or anything, I'm just giving out ideas and stuff. [[User:PacBoyCraZ|PacBoyCraZ]] ([[User talk:PacBoyCraZ|Talk]]) 18:01, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
+== Trivia section of main article ==
+It mentions that Niko was a speeder or daredevil in his home country. That has been written wrong the correct name for a crazy daredevil driver is a "Boy Racer" or "Chav"[[User:Andrew nicholson|Andrew nicholson]] 18:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
+== Also Known As ==
+Ok for the 'Also Known As' section Niko's info box it states that his alias' are: Nikolai, Nicky, NB, Niko Boy, Jimmy, Slav, Money, Yokel, Serf, Fatty Romans Cousin, Niks.
+I'm editing this for the following reasons: Nikolai, Nicky, and NB can stay and I agree with them. He may have only been called Nikolai once, but this IS a possible first full name, as it's still questionable. Nicky and NB are other names used for Niko often throughout so that's fine.
+As for Niko Boy, that's not exactly an alias or other name for him, I don't recall Niko ever been called "Jimmy", and even so that's not an alias. Slav isn't a nickname or alias their just referring to him by his nationality as short form. Money isn't a nickname, Playboy X just calls him that on occasion as he would say "homie" or "G" aswell. Yokel isn't a nickname, it's an insult meaning he's a serf or peasant. If Niko was called "stupid" throughout the game I wouldn't put that in the AKA section. Serf is an insult, Fatty Roman's Cousin was a replacement and insult by Vlad and not a nickname. And never once do I recall Niko being called "Niks."
+So I'm changing that, and if you disagree, comment here first. [[User:6FTofDIRT|6FTofDIRT]] 21:59, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
+:There has already been discussion on this (above), so some people do disagree. However, the issue is not what should go on Niko's page, but what the "Also Known As" box should be used for. I agree with you that only permanent nicknames or alternative names should be in that box, not one-off affectionate or abusive names. So for Niko, I'd agree with your suggestions, in particular that Nikolai is believed by some to be a possible full name so there's a good reason for us to list it. I agree that Fatty Roman's Cousin and the others should be removed. Although if any are ''repeatedly'' used, and he is KNOWN by those names, they may be worth listing. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:56, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
+== Death? ==
+Should we add a date of death (2008, optional) considering that he can be killed alongside with Patrick McReary in [[Ladies Half Price]].[[User:Kanzler31|Kanzler31]] 21:05, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
+:That's not a storyline death, it's just on oversight by the developers. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 21:07, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
+:
+:'''Niko's War Story'''
+:Don't y'all know there's some video on youtube about the war Niko had.I think it's machinima or something. It's called GTA IV The Ballad of Gay Bernie. The only thing I think is wrong with the video is that they put Niko on the Russian Side instead of the Serbian Side.Not to take credit the video was made by [http://www.youtube.com/user/YeardlyDiamond1 YeardlyDiamond1]
+:The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4ikPegLLA
+:
+== Jimmy ==
+When does Niko get called Jimmy? [[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 11:09, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
+:Francis McReary calls him Jimmy at the Police Station during "Final Interview" cutscene. -- [[User:peterp|peterp]]
+== Niko's Preferred Choices? ==
+I think that the optional murders should be included somewhere on Niko's page. I remember seeing on a wikia, or the old page, that players determined that Niko would kill Playboy X based on his personality. Even though the game gives the player the choice, there are things Niko would actually do if put into that position. Think about it, he came to Liberty City to find Florian and get revenge, but discovering it was Darko, he wanted to kill him, though still given the choice. At the end, I doubt Niko would have worked with Dimitri again, claiming that he didn't want to aswell. -[[User:darkye|darkye]]
+:It's a matter of opinion. The choice is up to the player so Niko could not have a preferred choice at that situation. It's either one or the other, not one preferred. It's the same idea whether you want Niko to kill innocent civilians during free roam but more restrictive. In other situations when there was no choice, that would be Niko's preferred choice.-'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 07:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
+Yes, but there are choices where Niko feels better and more happy than having done the other choice. For example, when Niko goes to kill Dwayne, he hesitates to shoot him. But when killing Playboy X, he chases him down and in the alley Niko goes up to him and shoots him. -[[User:darkye|darkye]]
+You really can't just say "niko would do this or niko wouldn't do that". Thats kinda the whole reason for these choices, so your involved in the story. If you choose deal Thats what niko's preferred choice...if you chose revenge again then that would make it his preferred choice. and for Those decisons you think he wouldn't do, well thats YOUR opinion..not everyone elses.
+== Niko's Appearence ==
+I know Niko seems to be based off of Sasha from Behind Enemy Lines, and you can even re-create his outfit from the film, but I have another theory on the inspiration for Niko's appearence.
+Niko's default appearence may have been inspired by the character [[wikipedia:Tyler Durden|Tyler Durden]] (played by [[wikipedia:Brad Pitt|Brad Pitt]]) from the 1999 film ''[[wikipedia:Fight Club (film)|Fight Club]]''.
+In the film, Tyler wears a wide-collared shirt with a leather jacket as well as track pants and work boots, much like Niko's outfit. Other than the colouring, the only difference is that Tyler's shirt is more colourful and is button-up while Niko's is less colourful and zips up. Also, at the end of the film, Tyler shaves his head.
+That's just my opinion and I thought it was worth noting the similarities.
+Sláinte mhaith! - '''[[User:Hobbes|Hobbes]]''' <small>([[User talk:Hobbes|Talk]])</small> 00:14, 15 April 2011 (BST)
+:More like Mark Renton from ''Trainspotting''. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Scarabola|edits]]) 05:37, 28 June 2013 (BST)
+== Music ==
+Though Niko has no favorite radio station, Niko says he doesn't have a favorite music, as you have the ability in gameplay to change the station. [[Pathos]] asks Niko if he listens to hip hop, and Niko replies "some of its good, but not too much." He may not like rap, but he sure doesn't dislike it. [[User:TomUSA|TomUSA]] 01:02, 25 August 2011 (BST)
+== Shouldn't another alias for him be "Nikolai"? ==
+I remember Tom Goldberg calling him Nikolai. We should put that under as one of his alias. --[[User:TheJustinAllenK|TheJustinAllenK]] 05:01, 12 September 2011 (BST)
+Nikolai is not a alias for niko its just an assertion from tom goldberg
+However, throughout the rest of his chat with Niko, he still keeps on calling him Nikolai. Also, Fatty Romans Cousin is also an assertion that only Vlad calls him.
+:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). And please read [[#Also_Known_As|above]] as this has already been discussed.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 04:43, 18 September 2011 (BST)
+== Regarding War Crimes and Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome ==
+.Definition of atrocities: An extremely wicked or cruel act: "war atrocities".<br>
+. Definition of war crimes: The legal definition of War Crimes is Excessive brutality during war, in contravention of an international treaty or convention. The body of laws that define a war crime are the [[wp:Geneva Conventions|Geneva Conventions]].
+There is nothing stated, or any proof that Niko has commited any specific war crimes, the atrocities he experienced can be just the standared murdering he did during the war, and the fact that twelve friends died right before his eyes and at one point he found is Aunt raped and murdered. There is also nothing that suggests Niko has Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome, especially since he's been in constant danger and firefights his entire life since the war. It's all he really knows at this point. Therefore I'll be removing these Trivia points. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] ([[User talk:Grand Theft AJ|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Grand Theft AJ|edits]]) 05:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
+:In the interest of aiding any further discussion that may arise from this, I would just like to add that based on [http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0077027/quotes this conversation] (Ctrl-F, search for "children"), Niko was supposedly involved in murdering 50 school children during his time in the war. I doubt that that can be considered ''standard murdering''. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 10:40, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
+I agree with AJ here so far - there's nothing really to say he has PTSD or has committed war crimes. Both of those things are assumptions based on assumptions. The phrases he uses during gunfights might be things he said during the war, so say THAT. Don't assume he has flashbacks, and don't assume they're caused by PTSD. As for the war, that children quote is a good find, but it doesn't say whether Niko did it. He admits he killed/smuggled/sold people, but it just says he walked into a village and ''saw'' 50 dead children, not that he murdered them. It's more suggesting how horrible the war was, and he doesn't like that he was involved. I'm happy to mention those points, but don't make the assumptions on top. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
+:The only reason I added the war crime trivia is because that it was mentioned in the article. From article: "During the war, Niko both witnessed and committed numerous atrocities" though now I know the difference between the two.[[User:Gtajesus|Gtajesus]] ([[User talk:Gtajesus|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gtajesus|edits]]) 12:59, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
+Yeah, I definently agree that suggesting that Niko has flashbacks/PSTD is ridiculous - There is no evidence for any of
+that, and if Rockstar wanted to make that a part of his character, they would have shown it in the game (we would have seen the flashbacks). I was really just adding to the list of bad experiences that AJ started. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 00:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)