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'''This is an archived talk page. Please do NOT edit. Continue any discussions at [[User_talk:Gboyers]]'''
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:Having categories all categorised into a tree is absolutely NOT what we want. There is no way we're having that here. On Grand Theft Wiki, categories are ways to list and group similar pieces of information, to make stuff easy to find, and to make it easier to learn about particular categories. Categorisation isn't a game, and we gain nothing by having dozens of categories for the same thing. It's like having everything in its own subcategory, it just makes stuff a lot harder to find.
:Having categories all categorised into a tree is absolutely NOT what we want. There is no way we're having that here. On Grand Theft Wiki, categories are ways to list and group similar pieces of information, to make stuff easy to find, and to make it easier to learn about particular categories. Categorisation isn't a game, and we gain nothing by having dozens of categories for the same thing. It's like having everything in its own subcategory, it just makes stuff a lot harder to find.


:If I want to look at a list of cars, I should be able to go to [[:Category:Vehicles]] to see every car in every game, then [[:Category:SAVehicles]] to look at all the cars in San Andreas. If [[:Category:Vehicles]] only had subcategories in, then stuff would be a lot harder to find. [[:Category:Vehicles]] does not need to be in another category, it is a basic element of a GTA game. If you can't find the page about [[Vehicles]] (even with redirects from things like [[Cars]]) then it's pretty hopeless, and a [[:Category:Categories]] helps you no more than [[Special:Categories]].
:If I want to look at a list of cars, I should be able to go to [[:Category:Vehicles]] to see every car in every game, then Category:SAVehicles to look at all the cars in San Andreas. If [[:Category:Vehicles]] only had subcategories in, then stuff would be a lot harder to find. [[:Category:Vehicles]] does not need to be in another category, it is a basic element of a GTA game. If you can't find the page about [[Vehicles]] (even with redirects from things like [[Cars]]) then it's pretty hopeless, and a [[:Category:Categories]] helps you no more than [[Special:Categories]].


:Yes, we are using Sergeant's stripes for managers, I don't think we need to get into crowns, stars and half-nelsons just yet :) [[User:Xenon|Xenon]] ([[User talk:Xenon|?]]) 20:48, 5 May 2007 (BST)
:Yes, we are using Sergeant's stripes for managers, I don't think we need to get into crowns, stars and half-nelsons just yet :) [[User:Xenon|Xenon]] ([[User talk:Xenon|?]]) 20:48, 5 May 2007 (BST)
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== Thanks for the Response ==
== Thanks for the Response ==
I think I see how you do it.  It confused me for a minute, because on UESP we use a separate namespace for each game.  Well, I don't know much about any other games, so you might have to tag along behind me and disambig pages that would have the same name in another game (sorry).  But I'd love to tackle these pages.  And UESP uses a quest summary template, so the infobox mission template will be easy for me to get used to.  By the way, are British spellings preferred on this wiki (i.e. "armour" instead of "armor")?  --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]] 03:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I see how you do it.  It confused me for a minute, because on UESP we use a separate namespace for each game.  Well, I don't know much about any other games, so you might have to tag along behind me and disambig pages that would have the same name in another game (sorry).  But I'd love to tackle these pages.  And UESP uses a quest summary template, so the infobox mission template will be easy for me to get used to.  By the way, are British spellings preferred on this wiki (i.e. "armour" instead of "armor")?  --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]] 03:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'm British, so I always write with British spellings. I appreciate the reverse is true for most of the rest of the world. Where something is the actual name/title of something, (EG a mission called "The Color Of Money"), then you must use the actual spelling verbatim, even if that is wrong in both British/American English. It doesn't particularly matter which spelling you use, but where titles involve a word that is different in British/American (eg [[Armor]]), then at least have a redirect from the alternative spelling ([[Armour]]). I suppose the best answer I can offer is consistency - if you write a page in American English, it should stay in American English; if you're editing a page written in British English, keep it in that.
:I'm British, so I always write with British spellings. I appreciate the reverse is true for most of the rest of the world. Where something is the actual name/title of something, (EG a mission called "The Color Of Money"), then you must use the actual spelling verbatim, even if that is wrong in both British/American English. It doesn't particularly matter which spelling you use, but where titles involve a word that is different in British/American (eg [[Body Armor|Armor]]), then at least have a redirect from the alternative spelling ([[Armour]]). I suppose the best answer I can offer is consistency - if you write a page in American English, it should stay in American English; if you're editing a page written in British English, keep it in that.
:Thanks for tackling those pages - we definitely require massive expansion in the area of missions, and GTASA Missions are currently the most important/relevant ones. Glad to see you're hanging onto our naming structure, I appreciate the UESP one will be quite different. I suppose ours is most similar to Wikipedia, where we just have titles, and only use other namespaces for special types of page (Category, Image, Template, Policy, Help, System etc). One thing is that [[Big Smoke]] should stay the title as the character, because that is what 99% of visitors to that page will want, but with a "see also" line at the top (indented italics) for [[Big Smoke (Mission)]]. I think [[In The Beginning...]] is the only major title clash we'll have with missions - apart from [[Side Missions]] (side quests?) like [[Vigilante]], [[Paramedic]] etc. Keep up the good work - [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gboyers Gboyers] ([http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gboyers ?]) 12:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for tackling those pages - we definitely require massive expansion in the area of missions, and GTASA Missions are currently the most important/relevant ones. Glad to see you're hanging onto our naming structure, I appreciate the UESP one will be quite different. I suppose ours is most similar to Wikipedia, where we just have titles, and only use other namespaces for special types of page (Category, Image, Template, Policy, Help, System etc). One thing is that [[Big Smoke]] should stay the title as the character, because that is what 99% of visitors to that page will want, but with a "see also" line at the top (indented italics) for [[Big Smoke (Mission)]]. I think [[In The Beginning...]] is the only major title clash we'll have with missions - apart from [[Side Missions]] (side quests?) like [[Vigilante]], [[Paramedic]] etc. Keep up the good work - [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gboyers Gboyers] ([http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gboyers ?]) 12:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


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:: Awesome! Glad you can help! I responded to your other question on my talk page to keep discussion together :) [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Awesome! Glad you can help! I responded to your other question on my talk page to keep discussion together :) [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:: Hiya, I have one more question for ya. I need 4 "jump links" that will show up at the top of the wiki tab on the Gamespot GTA page. These should be links to the most popular or useful content. Can you suggest these? Feel free to put them here..  I have watched this page [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 00:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey again - For jump links I recommend [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]], [[Liberty City in GTA IV]] (abbv: Liberty City, alt: [[Liberty City]]), [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]] (abbv: GTA SA / GTA San Andreas) (unless this section of gamespot is exclusively about GTA IV), [[Modifications]] (there are plans to rebuild this page in the near future), and possibly [[Vehicles]] (if a previous one is rejected).
The [[FA|Featured Article]] system has been rebuilt as requested, and we'll be adding more to the list this week.
We've also started an IRC channel on freenode.net at #gtawiki, which I and [[User:GuildKnight]] are signed into all day. Could you add us onto the Wikia IRC lists, and possibly a gateway page at some point? Thanks for all this - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 00:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I just put a request in to get it added to the Wikia lists.. should be done in next 24 to 48 hours [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 00:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::If I might butt in here for a second, I would make the following suggestions:
:::*'''[[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]]:''' for obvious reasons
:::*'''[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]]:''' the latest major platform game, and the most likely to generate interest
:::*'''[[Vehicles]]:''' I think this should '''definitely''' be included; after all, it is "Grand Theft ''Auto''"
:::*'''[[Cheats]]:''' not my favorite aspect of the wiki, but likely to get ''a lot'' of interest
:::--[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 14:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:My problem with [[Vehicles]] is that there's not very much on it, and I'm trying to think of scenarios of why people would choose to click on that link to come here. Interest in vehicles might be part of it, and combined with interest in GTAIV I suppose it's worthwhile. I vote yes for Vehicles. As for cheats, gamespot have their own cheats page. We definitely need them here, and with lots of contributors we'll probably have them all before Gamespot. Just so long as there isn't a conflict there, then yes for that too - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 14:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


==San Andreas, IRC==
==San Andreas, IRC==
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:No problem. Your idea for editing the SA page to be directly listing to the relevant sub-pages is definitely something I'd like to see here. Obviously the red links need to disappear for that to be useful though. I hope we aren't too different/confusing from your various other Wiki experiences. As for IRC, I use #grandtheftwiki on irc.freenode.net, and I'm in the process of making that official. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:No problem. Your idea for editing the SA page to be directly listing to the relevant sub-pages is definitely something I'd like to see here. Obviously the red links need to disappear for that to be useful though. I hope we aren't too different/confusing from your various other Wiki experiences. As for IRC, I use #grandtheftwiki on irc.freenode.net, and I'm in the process of making that official. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
== Gtabot ==
Have you programmed it from a pywikipedia bot? --{{User:Kenbill/Firma}} 22:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yep. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:Great! I have been working on something similar (maybe you can remember it from the post I made in the forum), can you check [[:es:user:Kenbill/gtawiki_family.py|this]]? Thanks! --{{User:Kenbill/Firma}} 16:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:Please, would you mind to check it, I've been working on it for so long... --{{User:Kenbill/Firma}} 04:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
== Delete... ==
Thanks for all... can you see [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]? I found some articles that alone they were saying <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>... If you can delete them, thank you very much. In many things, this wiki is a disaster... If you need my help, count with me  ;)
Ah, yes, excuses my English ... I am using an automatic translator...
Good-bye
ClaudeSpeed9425
:Thanks - I'll fix them. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 03:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
==Website Advertising==
I remembered today WikiaGTA releasing a press release when their English site was launched. Would sending an e-mail out to the various GTA sites (PlanetGTA, GTA.net, TheGTAPlace, GTAGaming) be a good idea or not? We could capitalise on the increasing attention being paid toward GTA IV, and hopefully gain some more contributors. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 22:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:There are a couple of issues with that. The first is that GTA IV is not here for 3 months, so people just aren't interested in GTA yet. And because it's so far away, even if we did get some people here, most of them would have gone long before IV is released. We would get visitors from advertising, but doing it now doesn't give us the best advantage from that advertising.
:Also, most GTA fansites see us as competitors or a threat, because our information is much denser than theirs, and people can often find answers here quicker than asking questions in a GTA forum. However, we don't report on every scrap of news and we don't have a big community of people discussing off-topic things and having fun, like you do on a forum. No big GTA fansite would consider advertising a rival website, certainly not honouring us with a news post. the admins are too controlling for that. Gamespot recognises that we are not a rival, we are just a knowledgebase of information far greater than they could amass themselves, and they're using us to their advantage by giving us a tab on their GTA site.
:I can't think of a reason why we would advertise right now, we aren't new and GTA isn't as big as it will be in 2 months time. So I think at the start of April we should begin emailing webmasters, sending out press releases and getting advertising (eg Wikia Spotlight) to bring people to us right before interest in GTA IV peaks at the start of May - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
== Protected pages ==
Heya, just noticed some protected pages around the wiki, such as the community portal. I would strongly suggest unprotecting all such pages - [[Wikia:Protection|Wikia's protection policy]] advises that pages only be protected if they are the active target of vandalism - otherwise full protection can cause more damage to the wiki through neglect than vandalism may have otherwise done.
For example, the community portal hadn't had edits for a looong time, so I've unprotected it. Hope this isn't a problem! [[w:User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[w:User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 20:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
== Re: GTA Contests ==
Hi Gboyers,
I’m the marketing manager here at Wikia Gaming, and over the next few weeks, I will be concentrating on developing relationships with Rockstar. The final goal will be for us to run events for the community, and have some exclusive contests on the wiki. I read your post on Angie's [[w:User_talk:Angies|talk]] page, and couldn't be more enthusiastic about the idea. This is a large portion on my role here at Wikia, so feel free to contact me with any ideas, or information and I will keep you informed as to the connection we develop with Rockstar. TTYL! -- [[User:Lleowen|<font color="Blue">Doug</font>]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Lleowen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 00:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
:Gboyers, have you made any headway? I'm still looking for a community contact at Rockstar...please keep me posted if you find anyone. :0) -- [[User:Lleowen|<font color="Blue">Doug</font>]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Lleowen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 22:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Had a great call with Joystiq, we might be able to get more coverage with a partnership deal. I am trying to figure out what type of contest is best suited for GTA Wiki...I'm tempted to have a simple edit contest the week the game releases (or have a walk through competition)the week the game is released. I would love to get your thoughts on this, feel free to [mailto:doug@wikia.com email] me when you get a chance. -- [[User:Lleowen|<font color="Blue">Doug</font>]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Lleowen|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 01:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
==GTA Revolution Affiliation==
Would an affiliation with [http://www.gtarevolution.net GTA Revolution] be a viable option. We could use some of their images and vice versa, and could be advertised and help advertise GTAR. [[User:CuBaN VeRcEttI]] says ([[User_talk:A-Dust|here]]) that they would be interested in an affiliation. Your thoughts? [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:There are some images that we could use from there, which would surely only increase after GTA IV's released and as the site develops. The language barrier is a problem, but so far myself and CuBaN VeRcEttI have been able to speak (through online translators), which give a good indication as to what is being said. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 00:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::So is that a no to the affiliation with GTAR? Just that I think we should get back to them so they know what is going on. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 14:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:::To be honest, if using their images and linking back is okay, then I suppose there is no real reason to actually affiliate. Especially because we are affiliated with the Spanish site. The reason I mentioned it to CuBaN_VeRcEttI is for the images and some advertising. If you don't think there is a need, then we probably shouldn't affiliate them. Do you want me to contact them? [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 14:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
== Got some images infringing copyright ==
Image:Uzi.jpg
Image:Vz 8.jpg
Those images are both from [http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg26-e.htm here]and [http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg17-e.htm here]. copyright states "all texts and some pictures
© 1999-2008
by Maxim R. Popenker
and can not be used without author permission" Images do not say license and no note of permision. Also fair use cannot be used in this instance. I would suggest deleting them emidtly. <span style="border:1px solid #0000FF;">[[User:BonesBrigade|<font style="color:#00FFFF;background:#000000;">'''БοņёŠ</font><font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#800080;">ɓɤĭĠ₳₯є'''</font>]] </span> 19:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for that - the images have been removed/replaced. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 20:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
How you added the interwiki, i can't do it, http://cs.gta.wikia.com/
== just to let you Know ==
Hi Gboyers i have moved [[FBI Car]] to [[FBI Kuruma]]
:Thanks, but if you just copy+paste the content of a page, it gets rid of all the history. Staff use the Move tool to rename the page rather than just copy the content. And to redirect, use &nbsp; <code> <nowiki> #REDIRECT [[FBI Kuruma]] </nowiki> </code> - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 17:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
== Profile tools ==
Hullo! I hear you were interested in the new profile tools - I've set up a discussion on [[Grand Theft Wiki talk:Community Portal#Profile_tools]]. Can you pass this link around to other interested users? Thanks! [[w:User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[w:User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 19:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
== i like this wiki ==
your not like other wiki admins who seem to ban or delete editor content just because they feel like it thanks [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] for making my Grand Theft Wiki great
== Thanks ==
Hi, [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]].  You left a note on [[User:GTA4PC|GTA4PC]]'s talk page aimed at the two of us, and I'd like to thank you for your words of welcome and support.  It's really nice to come to a place like this after incessantly battling admin over mundane details at Wikipedia. I understand not wanting to elicit lawsuits, but I agree with you: if we obsess over content, we'll end up with an encyclopedia with ''maybe'' 5 articles in it!  Besides, I needed a place to regurgitate all of this stored GTA knowledge from years of playing the games...stuff which falls under the heading of cruft over at good ol' Wikipedia! ;-) [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 18:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:'''Reply''': Hmmmm, is it possible to create linked pages to the main article on which people can submit such things as opinions, speculation, and personal experiences?  Maybe have a main article with just the "cut-and-dry" stuff, then for each subheading (e.g. create one for performance for vehicles, along with "Locations", etc.), create a link to an "Editorial" article associated with each topic...is this possible/desirable? [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 19:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Very nice.  I like the last one best too, i.e. the independent editorial without direct association with any one Wiki entity (be it an editor of a given article on the subject or the actual article itself).  I think the focus should rather be placed on the subject matter itself and the door should be opened to individual op-ed style commentary, informational dissemination, Q&A (with FAQ after some time, perhaps), and links.  What do you think? [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 23:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, I agree that article extensions should exist as separate, attached articles...I suppose editorial pages could then be just other attached articles, with each explaining its purpose and scope.  However, this might precipitate a large number of attached articles...maybe confine individual extensions of the editorial page as attached pages thereto?  As far as qualifications, I agree that alternative walkthroughs and more or less informational posts should fall under the attached subarticle, while I think editorial should be defined as anything that ''cannot'' be directly verified by playing the game or contacting R*...oh god, flashes of Wikipedia admin...maybe such constraints are too draconian?  I don't know...nevertheless, I think anything related to the subject matter can be added.  The idea here is a free-for-all editorial article where just about anything goes (within reason, of course), such as things from your favorite dining experience in San Andreas and the best outfit you put together for CJ to things like flying car sightings and weird game patches.  I think any and all information is good, as long as it is well managed, which will be the biggest challenge here, IMO. [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 01:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
== Your comment ==
It's great, I have not edited in a while around here. My first thing was to clean-up the pages. Right now I think this wiki looks great and is the best wiki I've visited. I stopped immediately to edit wikipedia apart from GTA-related stuff. Then trouble was around there too, so I totally stopped even though I edit rarely a few edits once a week there right now. My main plan right now is to fix articles for missions I've played. Never played the Stories so can't know much but watched them over youtube. --''[[User talk:GTA4PC|GTA 4 PC]]'' 20:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
== Subarticles/Editorials ==
Hey, [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]].  I was just thinking about our last conversation regarding subarticles and editorials.  Any news on that stuff?  I find myself bordering on adding my own personal interpretations on the main articles, so I think it's time for me to create some editorial pages...can you guide me along in that process?  Being not the most computer savvy person, I am unsure how to go about doing so.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated! [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 18:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
BTW, do you mind if I create an article for Garcia?  I noticed you had deleted it previously, and was wondering if you have any reservations against there being an article for this district.  Just trying not to step on anyone's toes!  :-) [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 04:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
== Evangelizing Profiles and Welcoming new Users ==
Hey Gboyers, Am sure you are busy playing GTAIV but wanted to suggest a couple things to maximize all the new users that are showing up now to get info and start editing.
* Welcoming new users- Since all new users get a profile page automatically when they create account, one nice thing you can do is "friend" them and give them a "welcome" gift.  This way they get an email inviting them to come back and have at least one person they know they can go to for newbie help.
* Also, if you haven't' already I would suggest friending as many of the exiting editors as you can find. If they haven't been to the wiki in a while they will get an email and will hopefully come back and start editing.
I would do this stuff, but I think it is way more authentic coming from you and the other admin staff! [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 18:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
== Clean-up, etc. ==
Hey, [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]].  Thanks for the note...OK, I'll go ahead and create articles for districts where they are lacking (there are many, so I've got my work cut out for me!).  Also, I'd be more than happy to act in a sysop role, although I am uncertain as to what that might entail...please let me know the gory details.  I only hope I can fulfill the required duties! [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 20:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks very much.  And don't worry: your admonishment against abuse of power is definitely understood.  I actually ''much'' prefer talking to people in order to reach some sort of consensus/understanding before making any edits, etc.  This is the main reason I left Wikipedia, i.e. because I felt such courtesies were ''not'' afforded to editors there, and everyone's contributions were constantly superceded by admin, and oftentimes without discussion/explanation.  Anyway, I am looking forward to helping out as much as I can! [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 20:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:One question: on the recent edits page, what does the '''N''' indicate at the left?  I'm assuming the '''m''' is a minor edit...?[[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 21:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::OK, got it.  Thanks! [[User:Eganio|Eganio]] 21:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I hope you're feeling better!  I saw some recent activity on your end, so I thought I would drop you a line.  If it's all the same to you, I am going to focus my efforts mainly on cleaning up and creating missing articles for [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA:SA]], and eventually [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City|GTA:VC]], as I know these games the best, and am trying to avoid seeing too much information on [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]], which seems to have sparked a flood of new users and edits.  I have to wait until I can afford the PS3, so I'm trying not to fall victim to spoliers!  Along these lines, I have been patrolling recent edits for the past few days, and most seem to be on articles pertaining to GTA IV, considering its recent release.  This is not to say I don't want to patrol recent edits (which I am more than happy to do), just that I find myself at a bit of a disadvantage, not knowing whether the content of the edits is factually sound and/or relevant.  I have been mainly checking to see that their general aim seems to be improving the article.
I guess what I'm asking with my long-winded post is this: are there other administrative functions that need another brain and set of hands that I might throw my efforts into (in addition to my usual edits)?  In particular, are there problem articles/users that need attention?  Which special pages need the most help?  Etc., etc.  You get the idea.  Also, what is considered as spam here, how do I detect it, and how do I deal with it? '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, merci beaucoup, mon ami!  That was an extremely helpful post!  Pet-projects...brilliant suggestion!  Makes sense, considering the sheer amount of work to be done in so many different places.  I'll get right on it.  As far as the other admin responsibilities you listed, I will look into them tout suite...I am looking forward to helping out where I can.  I also appreciate your approval of my actions here...it means a lot coming from my superior! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Just as an FYI (in case my edit history hasn't obviated it), I have taken on as a global pet project the entire city of [[San Fierro]]...may be biting off more than I can chew, but I've begun at the bottom, and am working my way up, getting locations, objects/places, storyline up to snuff so that categorization, relevance to storyline, and detailed info are included everywhere.  I'm trying to create a more-or-less seamless heirarchy and a continuity with respect to readers being able to jump from article-to-article as they read about San Fierro and how the story unfolds therein (and how the player's actions can contribute, etc.).  I have been trying to conform to the categorization guidelines listed at the top of the [[:Category:Locations]] page, i.e. subcategorizing as necessary.  If you have the time, please let me know if my comprehension of the guidelines seems off, as I was a little uncertain at first, but think I have the gist of it now. '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 23:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
==Adding the bottom of [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] to many pages==
See [[Special:Contributions/Drive-by-Sally|this]].  He/She added that to [[Liberty City in GTA IV]], [[Radio Stations in GTA IV]], [[Weapons in GTA IV]], [[Vehicles in GTA IV]], and [[Characters in GTA IV]].  It has since been removed from "Vehicles," in addition to you removing it from "Liberty City."  I take it that it would be OK to remove it from all the others?  --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 19:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Please remove the unneccessary content. It seems to be an attempt at copying *something* in particular across (eg [[Template:gtaiv]], yet the user isn't sure what to copy so copies the entire footer. Clearly just an error, I'd be really grateful if it were tidied up. Thanks - [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 20:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
== Chinatown ==
Hello, my friend.  I would like to ask if you have any reservations against my creating a disambiguation page for [[Chinatown]].  As it stands, separate Chinatowns are all listed under the same article.  I'd like to break it into its constituent parts (since I'm handling districts separately all throughout San Andreas, and would like to create a separate page for [[San Fierro]]'s Chinatown), and have the disambig page point to each separate entity. Thoughts? '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 22:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:LOL, no worries!  Fill my talk page to your heart's content!  Besides, I've done enough filling of yours, so we're even. :-) Anyway, thanks for the advice on the [[Chinatown]] disambig.  I'm going to get to work on it right now. '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
== Patrolling ==
Hiya, G.  I have been patrolling regularly, but have come across a minor issue several times now on [[Special:Recentchanges]]: in instances where more than one edit has been levied on a particular article (where there is the blue drop-down expansion icon to the far left), oftentimes, the first edit (creation of the page, etc.) cannot be patrolled, as I click every link for that edit (including the time-stamp, article name, "Cur", etc.), but have no option to "Mark as patrolled" anywhere on the page.  For instance, see the recent change on [[Dwayne Forge]] by [[User:PJsg1009|PJsg1009]].  Do you have any advice? '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 21:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for pestering, but I also wanted to ask about the editorials, and whether or not you think they're going to be feasible and/or valuable.  I would like to add a few of my own...along those lines, if this is something that really takes off, with numerous users posting their editorials for new and old articles, I would be happy to act as a (the) moderator of sorts, and try to work things out with people to make sure content is top-quality and adheres to Wiki standards.  What do you think? '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 22:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
==Liberty Tree Articles==
May I ask why you added the logo for the Liberty Tree to the [[From Baseball Bats to Rocket Launchers: Liberty City is over-run with unregistered weapons]]? The image is unnecessary and gives nothing to the article. The logo can be found on the [[Liberty Tree]] article, should the reader wish to find out more about the newspaper itself. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 23:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've mentioned this on [[User talk:Mcanmoocanu#Liberty_Tree_articles|User talk:Mcanmoocanu]]. It's serving as a header for the article, showing that it is a Liberty Tree article rather than a GTW article. If you want to be precise, why have you copied the articles verbatim when the Liberty Tree website (linked to on the pages) contains exactly the same document? Have you Considered the copyright implications of doing that? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
==Mission Footer Template==
[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]] contacted me about a problem on the [[Template:Mission Footer|Mission Footer template]], but I've not been able to solve it. There is a white square on the left hand side of the template, which should not be there. Do you know what's causing this? [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 10:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:The white box is appearing on the left hand side of the template (where it says Prev: None). It may only appear on certain browsers, but I can't get it to appear as it should do. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 13:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've responded on [[User talk:A-Dust]], just to keep the conversation in one place.  --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 23:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
== Guilds and other fan content ==
Heya!
Recently we received a request to create a wiki for a [http://requests.wikia.com/index.php?title=Crazybobs&t=20080530230328 GTA: San Andreas clan], as well as one for a [http://requests.wikia.com/index.php?title=Soulmission&t=20080525134420 GTA: San Andreas server].  What do you think about facilitating fan content on Grand Theft Wiki?  We could create a Clan: namespace to keep it separate, or do anything else that might help facilitate it.  It's honestly not something that I've personally thought about until now, but with GTA IV's online gameplay, it seems like the demand for a place to house this kind of content will only increase in the future.
What do you think?  --[[User:KyleH|KyleH]]<staff /> <small>([[User talk:KyleH|talk]])</small> 00:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:This is certainly interesting, and it's an issue we've been dealing with over at [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums tgtap]. It would of course be good for clans to have their own page/s to deal with their members, servers, news, images etc. And it would be beneficial for this wiki due to the new members we would gain. However, what I don't want to do is turn the entire wiki into a platform for individual members or groups. We have been considering Editorial content, and I suppose Clans is of a similar non-encyclopaedic nature. I think that this is  good idea, so long as ALL clan content remains in the Clan and User namespaces. We can have a list of clans, and clan policy, but nothing else. Thanks for bringing that to us. Any comments from other staff? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
You got it, G.  I'm on the job! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
== Rustler trouble and Jagerdila25 ==
My name's Woody, and I'm responsible for most (if not all) of the 'cleaning up' going on in the Aircraft Section. The problem is a user keeps adding false information to the 'Rustler' file. As an aviation expert and pilot, I know what I'm talking about, and I'm getting very tired of  Jageradila25 wrongfully editing my posts. The Rustler is very obviously based on the NA P-51 Mustang, not the Hawker Tempest. A side by side comparison will show this. Please, put Jagerdila25 in his place. Thanks!
[[User:Sukhoi-35BM|WS]] 16:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)W.
:Thank You...but....
:You actually made a mistake. Fighter planes are SUPPOSED to be fast and maneuverable. The Rustler is a fighter, and is fast and maneuverable because of this, not despite of it. There is no way that is a Tempest. I know. I have seen both in person. Whether he agrees or not is beside the point. As the manager, please investigate this matter, as Jager has not responded to my messages.
== Glitch with new userpages ==
The new userpages seem to have a glitch associated with the "Contributions" link.  When you click on "Contributions" it takes you, as it should, to [[Special:Contributions]], but if the username contains any underscores, they are replaced with plus signs.
I'll use our Patroller as an easy link to an example of the problem:
*[[User:Blakegripling ph]]
--[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 03:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
==You around?==
I just thought I'd see if you're around...  Wanna have a chat?  I'm in IRC...  --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 02:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
== Overcategorization ==
Hi, G.  Thanks for setting me straight, so to speak.  Actually, a lot of what you said was going through my head as I was doing all of this, wondering half the time, "do we really ''need'' this category?"  I was quite over-zealous, I know.  I was trying to cover every contingency, like you mentioned.  Trust me, I still have a lot of work to do, and much of it will be undoing a lot of what I did.  As you can undoubtedly tell, I'm more or less feeling my way through all of this, and I genuinely appreciate your advice, and it will not go unheeded.
Also, I was thinking the exact same thing about ''Transportation'' vs. ''Transport'', and was wondering whether one is more appropriate than the other, considering the difference is more colloquial than anything.  I'm perfectly fine with using ''Transport'', and will change things accordingly.  And thank you for reminding me to put GTA in the category titles.  That one I simply forgot! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 05:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Got it.  ;-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 21:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
==Style Guide==
Any chance you could take a look at [[User:GuildKnight/Sandbox/2|my sandbox]] before you go?  I think it's ready to go live at [[Grand Theft Wiki:Style Guide]].  --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 02:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
== Main page ==
just to tell you [[User:Guildknight|GuildKnight]] has edited or rather trashed the main page he removed the image after moving it to the wrong part on seeing this i repared the damage also he has unprotected it i have added this page to my watchlist IMO this page should be protected
:Hi, G.  I am currently attempting to deal with this, and am in the process of discussing things with [[User:Chip2007|Chip2007]] and [[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]].  I'm hoping this can be resolved quickly and smoothly...trying to nip it in the bud, so to speak.  :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 03:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
== etherythings fine ==
i had a word to [[User:Guildknight|GuildKnight]] and explained that the image was'nt a big deal [[User:Chip2007|Chip2007]]
==Social tool codebase merge live==
Just wanted to let you know that the merge happened today. GTA Wiki (along with AOC and Starcraft) are now on the main wikia code base branch with final MW 1.12 candidate.  Please let me know if you see any issues.
[[Community_Portal#Social_tools_codebase_merge]] [[w:User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[w:User talk:Angies|talk]]) 21:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
== Request ==
Hi, G.  Whenever you have a chance, would you do me a huge favor and look over [[User:Eganio/Sandbox/1|my sandbox]]?  I am trying to create a detailed walkthrough for [[Key to Her Heart]], and would greatly appreciate your input.  Thanks in advance!  :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 20:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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