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Glad you like it! I'm glad we moved, but we don't have a choice now that we've been [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:Log/rights banned from Wikia]. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 00:31, 11 October 2010 (BST) | Glad you like it! I'm glad we moved, but we don't have a choice now that we've been [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:Log/rights banned from Wikia]. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 00:31, 11 October 2010 (BST) | ||
A little late commenting, but I'm very happy with the move, too. This site looks ''so'' much better than the ''Grand Theft Auto Wiki'', as the old Wikia site is called now, and I feel here like I'm part of a distinct individual community rather than a giant mudpit of users like Wikia. Only downside I feel is the lack of a blog feature that kind of limits general discussion (or maybe that's a blessing, considering how many idiotic arguments I've regretted sticking my thick skull into over at Wikia? XD). Keep up the awesome work, guys. :D [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 11:18, 4 May 2013 (BST) | |||
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::Personally, I've always liked the word "era". It ties the games into neat groups and allows canon discussions focusing on these particular groups to be easier to understand. The use of "Era" is not just used on wikis. I see it all the time on GTA Forums (who divide their sidebar into "Era" sections) as well as on other GTA Fansites, so we are not the only ones. As for "Series", much like JF said, it is a word that can be used in a broarder perspective and might confuse various users who will most likley think that "Series" referes to the GTA series, which it does. The game eras are not different series. They are all part of one, which shows that this solution would not work. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 04:23, 13 April 2011 (BST) | ::Personally, I've always liked the word "era". It ties the games into neat groups and allows canon discussions focusing on these particular groups to be easier to understand. The use of "Era" is not just used on wikis. I see it all the time on GTA Forums (who divide their sidebar into "Era" sections) as well as on other GTA Fansites, so we are not the only ones. As for "Series", much like JF said, it is a word that can be used in a broarder perspective and might confuse various users who will most likley think that "Series" referes to the GTA series, which it does. The game eras are not different series. They are all part of one, which shows that this solution would not work. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 04:23, 13 April 2011 (BST) | ||
:::I understand that [[Vice City in GTA III Era]] is a bit silly, but at least it actually describes what it's about: Vice City in the GTA III era. The old title, [[Vice City in GTA Vice City]], made it easy to overlook VCS, and we ended up with a separate article: [[Vice City in GTA Vice City Stories]]. As for title capitalisation, I personally just think it looks nicer, and it's actually one of the policies that makes me prefer being a part of this wiki over others. I understand your concerns, particularly the one about links in sentences, but this why I make use of redirects; To link to [[Police Car]] for example, I would simply type [[police car]], and it wouldn't make the link look ''formal'' (although I know that A-Dust and Gta-mysteries seem to be against linking to redirects). <tt><nowiki>[[police car]]</nowiki></tt> is also easier to type than <tt><nowiki>[[Police (car)|Police]]</nowiki></tt> for example, which is useful for users not familiar with complex naming policies, for both linking and searching. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 06:13, 13 April 2011 (BST) '''EDIT:''' Redirects can also be used with the eras. When referring to an era within a sentence, it actually makes sense to type ''XYZ is a company in the [[GTA IV era]]'', which will redirect to the appropriate article. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 06:18, 13 April 2011 (BST) | :::I understand that [[Vice City in GTA III Era]] is a bit silly, but at least it actually describes what it's about: Vice City in the GTA III era. The old title, [[Vice City in GTA Vice City]], made it easy to overlook VCS, and we ended up with a separate article: [[Vice City in GTA Vice City Stories]]. As for title capitalisation, I personally just think it looks nicer, and it's actually one of the policies that makes me prefer being a part of this wiki over others. I understand your concerns, particularly the one about links in sentences, but this why I make use of redirects; To link to [[Police Car]] for example, I would simply type [[police car]], and it wouldn't make the link look ''formal'' (although I know that A-Dust and Gta-mysteries seem to be against linking to redirects). <tt><nowiki>[[police car]]</nowiki></tt> is also easier to type than <tt><nowiki>[[Police (car)|Police]]</nowiki></tt> for example, which is useful for users not familiar with complex naming policies, for both linking and searching. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 06:13, 13 April 2011 (BST) '''EDIT:''' Redirects can also be used with the eras. When referring to an era within a sentence, it actually makes sense to type ''XYZ is a company in the [[GTA IV Era|GTA IV era]]'', which will redirect to the appropriate article. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 06:18, 13 April 2011 (BST) | ||
::::ZS - I'm not sure why you suggest Wikipedia having aggressive editors is a good thing. Having people who care a lot about detail and organisation is really, really useful (you and A-Dust being the two here), but if everyone was like that, nothing would get done. On this wiki, we decide things by consensus. As I said, I'd like to hold a discussion (not just with staff) to decide the best way for us to proceed. Either most of us agree, or someone eventually has to make a decision, but that's a long way off. If people have a problem, it is easier for them to complain here, because they won't get their head bitten off! I really don't think we should model ourselves on Wikipedia, for two main reasons. Firstly, they cover a lot more than GTA, so their naming and conventions were not made specifically to suit a wiki about GTA. For example, because they use "series" for every other TV show, film series and game series, they use it for GTA games too; when it might not be the best term. Secondly, we got a LOT of users who don't like the way Wikipedia does things, particularly how the administrators treat the newer users. So yes, take inspiration, but we certainly shouldn't use the fact that they do it as justification for doing it here. I don't think anyone here thinks we should just copy them. | ::::ZS - I'm not sure why you suggest Wikipedia having aggressive editors is a good thing. Having people who care a lot about detail and organisation is really, really useful (you and A-Dust being the two here), but if everyone was like that, nothing would get done. On this wiki, we decide things by consensus. As I said, I'd like to hold a discussion (not just with staff) to decide the best way for us to proceed. Either most of us agree, or someone eventually has to make a decision, but that's a long way off. If people have a problem, it is easier for them to complain here, because they won't get their head bitten off! I really don't think we should model ourselves on Wikipedia, for two main reasons. Firstly, they cover a lot more than GTA, so their naming and conventions were not made specifically to suit a wiki about GTA. For example, because they use "series" for every other TV show, film series and game series, they use it for GTA games too; when it might not be the best term. Secondly, we got a LOT of users who don't like the way Wikipedia does things, particularly how the administrators treat the newer users. So yes, take inspiration, but we certainly shouldn't use the fact that they do it as justification for doing it here. I don't think anyone here thinks we should just copy them. | ||
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::::So let's look at our options and figure out what the best overall solution is for this wiki (rather than just the correct one, the current one, the easy one, the pretty one or the Wikipedia one). | ::::So let's look at our options and figure out what the best overall solution is for this wiki (rather than just the correct one, the current one, the easy one, the pretty one or the Wikipedia one). | ||
::::If we just used 'GTA III' to sometimes mean the era and sometimes mean the game, that would get VERY messy. This is why we use "GTA 1" which is not technically correct (the game was simply called 'Grand Theft Auto'). I don't believe that the best way to do things is to be technically correct, then disambiguate with brackets, such as "Grand Theft Auto III (series)" and "Grand Theft Auto III (game)". I find that very ugly, and very difficult for new users to use, and awkward for everyone else to use. At the moment, everyone knows exactly where a link to [[GTA III]] is going to go, and everyone can use it easily. If we adopted the Wikipedia approach, it would not be clear. It would be harder to use, less clear to new users, more awkward for old users, and would require a LOT of cleaning up when people got it wrong. I don't want everyone to go to a disambiguation page 90% of the time. One bad example is the Musewiki, where *EVERY* page has a disambiguation of brackets. It's horrible to use, and with no redirects (and correct punctuation required), it can be impossible. For example [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism Futurism] reveals nothing, but [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism_(song) Futurism (song)] and [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism_(tablature) Futurism (tablature)] do. I appreciate my "Police Car" names aren't 100% accepted, but "Police (car)" and "Police (force)" are just ugly and not nice to use, and it stops us grouping similar vehicles with different names together (like [[Limo]]). I really like our sensible way of doing things, it feels more like natural speech ''"oh I drove the police car in GTA 1"'' not ''"I drove the Police (by which I mean the vehicle not a man with a moustache) in Grand Theft Auto (by which I mean the first game in the first series of the Grand Theft Auto series, rather than the entire series of series)"'' and I think it makes us stand out. | ::::If we just used 'GTA III' to sometimes mean the era and sometimes mean the game, that would get VERY messy. This is why we use "GTA 1" which is not technically correct (the game was simply called 'Grand Theft Auto'). I don't believe that the best way to do things is to be technically correct, then disambiguate with brackets, such as "Grand Theft Auto III (series)" and "Grand Theft Auto III (game)". I find that very ugly, and very difficult for new users to use, and awkward for everyone else to use. At the moment, everyone knows exactly where a link to [[Grand Theft Auto III|GTA III]] is going to go, and everyone can use it easily. If we adopted the Wikipedia approach, it would not be clear. It would be harder to use, less clear to new users, more awkward for old users, and would require a LOT of cleaning up when people got it wrong. I don't want everyone to go to a disambiguation page 90% of the time. One bad example is the Musewiki, where *EVERY* page has a disambiguation of brackets. It's horrible to use, and with no redirects (and correct punctuation required), it can be impossible. For example [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism Futurism] reveals nothing, but [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism_(song) Futurism (song)] and [http://www.musewiki.org/Futurism_(tablature) Futurism (tablature)] do. I appreciate my "Police Car" names aren't 100% accepted, but "Police (car)" and "Police (force)" are just ugly and not nice to use, and it stops us grouping similar vehicles with different names together (like [[Limo]]). I really like our sensible way of doing things, it feels more like natural speech ''"oh I drove the police car in GTA 1"'' not ''"I drove the Police (by which I mean the vehicle not a man with a moustache) in Grand Theft Auto (by which I mean the first game in the first series of the Grand Theft Auto series, rather than the entire series of series)"'' and I think it makes us stand out. | ||
::::Also, "Vehicles in GTA III" could mean the era or the game, and we'd need to disambiguate EVERY page which has anything to do with with I, 2, III, IV and V games and eras. Whereas currently "Vehicles in GTA III Era" is very clear and everyone knows what to expect, and everyone knows how to find it when they want something regarding an era. Same goes for "Vice City in GTA III Era" refers to the whole era, allowing for "Vice City in GTA Vice City" to be a sort-of sub-page. | ::::Also, "Vehicles in GTA III" could mean the era or the game, and we'd need to disambiguate EVERY page which has anything to do with with I, 2, III, IV and V games and eras. Whereas currently "Vehicles in GTA III Era" is very clear and everyone knows what to expect, and everyone knows how to find it when they want something regarding an era. Same goes for "Vice City in GTA III Era" refers to the whole era, allowing for "Vice City in GTA Vice City" to be a sort-of sub-page. | ||
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::The directions was an example but I was also thinking of images/files of neighbourhoods and districts to give people a better idea of where the image is taken from. We could also use more description for individual places (for example locations for businesses and the mission for character images/files). [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 20:46, 18 June 2011 (BST) | ::The directions was an example but I was also thinking of images/files of neighbourhoods and districts to give people a better idea of where the image is taken from. We could also use more description for individual places (for example locations for businesses and the mission for character images/files). [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 20:46, 18 June 2011 (BST) | ||
Just to jump on the bandwagon here, I think categorisation would be good for this too. We can go one step beyond [[:Category:Screenshots of GTA San Andreas]] and have [[:Category:Screenshots of Los Santos]] (or just use [[:Category:Los Santos]]), also for the more rural areas ([[:Category:Screenshots of Red County]]) and also things like [[:Category:Skyscrapers]], [[:Category:Beaches]] etc. Descriptions should be better, but not hugely detailed. I'd say an ideal one is something like ''"A screenshot of the landscape of [[Red County]] in [[GTA San Andreas]], looking South from [[Fern Ridge]] overlooking XYZ. [[San Fierro]] can be seen in the distance. In this screenshot is a [[Tractor]], [[Coach]] and [[BF-400]]."'' That gives a description, the location, a position/direction (if relevant), and quick overview of the subjects (if anyone is interested). There's no point having location descriptions for [[:File:Bravura-GTASA-front.jpg|vehicle screenshots]] or anything, and there's no point putting north/south/east/west unless it's relevant (IE if the direction is obvious, like a building only has one visible side; or if the direction is irrelevant). Hopefully that's not too hard, but I'm more bothered about categorisation and the {{template|screenshot}} tags than lengthy descriptions. Make sense? Also, I think we should start using specific "screenshot" categories so that we can empty out main categories - [[:Category:Vehicles in GTA San Andreas|this]] should not be used for images IMO. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 04:13, 19 June 2011 (BST) | Just to jump on the bandwagon here, I think categorisation would be good for this too. We can go one step beyond [[:Category:Screenshots of GTA San Andreas]] and have [[:Category:Screenshots of Los Santos]] (or just use [[:Category:Los Santos]]), also for the more rural areas ([[:Category:Screenshots of Red County]]) and also things like [[:Category:Skyscrapers]], [[:Category:Beaches]] etc. Descriptions should be better, but not hugely detailed. I'd say an ideal one is something like ''"A screenshot of the landscape of [[Red County]] in [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]], looking South from [[Fern Ridge]] overlooking XYZ. [[San Fierro]] can be seen in the distance. In this screenshot is a [[Tractor]], [[Coach]] and [[BF-400]]."'' That gives a description, the location, a position/direction (if relevant), and quick overview of the subjects (if anyone is interested). There's no point having location descriptions for [[:File:Bravura-GTASA-front.jpg|vehicle screenshots]] or anything, and there's no point putting north/south/east/west unless it's relevant (IE if the direction is obvious, like a building only has one visible side; or if the direction is irrelevant). Hopefully that's not too hard, but I'm more bothered about categorisation and the {{template|screenshot}} tags than lengthy descriptions. Make sense? Also, I think we should start using specific "screenshot" categories so that we can empty out main categories - [[:Category:Vehicles in GTA San Andreas|this]] should not be used for images IMO. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 04:13, 19 June 2011 (BST) | ||
:Wouldn't that be too cumbersome to navigate around, having two separate categories for the same topic? It makes sense to place them there.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 10:46, 19 June 2011 (BST) | :Wouldn't that be too cumbersome to navigate around, having two separate categories for the same topic? It makes sense to place them there.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 10:46, 19 June 2011 (BST) | ||
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:I doubt there will be updates to existing tools because very few tools are open-sourced, and most who have the source aren't active anymore. Gamerzworld is knowledgeable in creating tools so his progress is promising.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 08:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | :I doubt there will be updates to existing tools because very few tools are open-sourced, and most who have the source aren't active anymore. Gamerzworld is knowledgeable in creating tools so his progress is promising.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 08:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Agreed. Still from what GW did it does look promising; too bad I don't have an Android phone that's good enough to run the game. [[User:Blakegripling ph|Blakegripling ph]] ([[User talk:Blakegripling ph|talk]]) 08:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | ::Agreed. Still from what GW did it does look promising; too bad I don't have an Android phone that's good enough to run the game. [[User:Blakegripling ph|Blakegripling ph]] ([[User talk:Blakegripling ph|talk]]) 08:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Staff Chat == | |||
Hey, we'll be having a staff chat on [[Special:WebChat|IRC]] tonight at 21:00 UTC (30mins after this message). Any chance you could join us? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC) (TEST) | |||
==carl== | |||
can i use this file | |||
[[:File:Carl-Johnson-GTA-SA.jpg]] {{unsigned|Nameless assasin}} | |||
:I don't understand what you want to do, you have to be much more descriptive than that. If you want to use that image on CJ's article to depict CJ, I would prefer that you use post-release images.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 21:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
I am sorry about that,I was asking if i could use this [[:File:Carl-Johnson-GTA-SA.jpg|image]] i received from wikapedia in the [[Carl Johnson|cj]] article | |||
:That image is from Rockstar so yes you can use it, but, again, I prefer that you use post-release images instead.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 19:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== smw == | |||
Hey, I noticed you've been toying with SMW too. My (sort of) plan is to automatically apply this to all content pages through infoboxes. So when someone says dob=1978 the infobox code shoves that into a smw link and from there we can do searches and have interactive tables. That would work well for characters in a game. It could also work for vehicles (top speed etc) but those stats are different per-game, so we might have to do something like GTAVC-TopSpeed. I don't think it would be as effective for missions (reward money?) or radio stations (genre?). I think it's very powerful when it comes to locations and businesses though - if we used smw we would be able to search for all [restaurant]s in [Algonquin or Broker], or all [police stations] in [all towns in [San Andreas]]. We can actually do a lot of that with categories at the moment though. Think that's worth doing? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:28, 25 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, I think it's worth doing. I see SMW as very useful in creating long tables. I don't think many people would use it to do searches though.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 06:22, 26 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== "Cubans" category page == | |||
Is it really a necessity to have? | |||
:[http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Category:Cubans] (url link since I don't seem to be able to link normally to category pages) | |||
It only has one page, [[Umberto Robina]], categorized under it. Seems to me like it could be done away with, with no real negative consequence since other category pages like ''Gangs in GTA Vice City'' and ''Bosses'' are likely to get far more traffic and encompass more content, while all named members of the Cuban gang are already linked to on the [[Cubans|Cuban gang page]]. Agree or disagree? [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 08:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
== GTW downtime == | |||
Any idea why GTW was down for so long? [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 10:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Search bar woes == | |||
Is there anyway to keep that scrolling bar that appears when typing something into the search bar from appearing? It gets annoying because it blocks what I'm typing and I can't tell if I'm spelling the name of what I'm searching for correctly. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 11:18, 4 May 2013 (BST) | |||
== 403 error on Firefox == | |||
I can't access GTW in any way using FF, I keep getting a 403 error. I've gone through all the fixes I can find online and have tried shutting off my addons without success. I have no problems accessing it on Internet Explorer, as I'm doing at the moment. Any ideas? [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 00:17, 30 July 2013 (BST) | |||
:Well, whatever the problem was, it seems to have passed. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 11:32, 7 August 2013 (BST) | |||
==Re: [[User_talk:IanPhoenix#Redirect_Page_Delete|Redirect Page Delete]]== | |||
If moving a page is better than deleting it for spelling errors, I guess move them instead. This isn't the first time I accidentally misspelled a page name when making a new article. | |||
We will eventually need to remove the redirects, move the original [[Grove Street Families]] page's text to the 3D Universe article, and rewrite the original page as a disambiguation page. Also, the Ballas need to separated into 3D Universe and HD Universe renditions. --[[User:Gsu eagle 31049|Gsu eagle 31049]] ([[User talk:Gsu eagle 31049|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gsu eagle 31049|edits]]) 19:18, 16 August 2013 (BST) | |||
Do you know where i can find a Youga? [[User:KebbBone|KebbBone]] ([[User talk:KebbBone|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/KebbBone|edits]]) 16:34, 24 September 2013 (BST) | |||
== GTA V images for the main page == | |||
If possible, can you start displaying images from GTA V for the main page? Thank you. | |||
[[User:MickeyHikaruMouse|MickeyHikaruMouse]] ([[User talk:MickeyHikaruMouse|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/MickeyHikaruMouse|edits]]) 06:54, 8 March 2014 (GMT) | |||
:I've fixed this now! Good spot. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 11:43, 9 March 2014 (GMT) | |||
== Long time no see == | |||
Hey Spaceeinstein, how are things? Do you still exist? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:52, 7 July 2014 (BST) | |||