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The deleted text from [[User talk:Carl "CJ" Johnson|Carl "CJ" Johnson]]'s edit to this article that reads "Dan Houser claims that most of them will already be dead." The source confirming this bit of information can be found [http://www.ottae.com/images/iv/13.jpg here]. That is, unless you want to hear or read this directly from Dan Houser ''directly''... which is unlikely. ;) --[[User:Chief of Staff|Legion]] 00:21, 7 May 2007 (BST) | The deleted text from [[User talk:Carl "CJ" Johnson|Carl "CJ" Johnson]]'s edit to this article that reads "Dan Houser claims that most of them will already be dead." The source confirming this bit of information can be found [http://www.ottae.com/images/iv/13.jpg here]. That is, unless you want to hear or read this directly from Dan Houser ''directly''... which is unlikely. ;) --[[User:Chief of Staff|Legion]] 00:21, 7 May 2007 (BST) | ||
:Thanks, but please understand that you can't just say "Dan said..." without putting the source. All the other quotes say they are from the GameInformer article, so they can easily be traced and checked (and people know GI might be wrong). Also, that is a total misquote. Dan Houser said the characters they like ARE already dead (eg Big Smoke, Diaz, Tenpenny etc) - the way Carl worded it was that the main characters die before the events of GTA IV, which is not neccessarily the case. [[User: | :Thanks, but please understand that you can't just say "Dan said..." without putting the source. All the other quotes say they are from the GameInformer article, so they can easily be traced and checked (and people know GI might be wrong). Also, that is a total misquote. Dan Houser said the characters they like ARE already dead (eg Big Smoke, Diaz, Tenpenny etc) - the way Carl worded it was that the main characters die before the events of GTA IV, which is not neccessarily the case. [[User:Gboyers|Xenon]] ([[User talk:Gboyers|?]]) 03:01, 7 May 2007 (BST) | ||
I agree with Xenon 100% | I agree with Xenon 100% | ||
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Thanks for asking us instead of just adding it yourself - I appreciate it. We have now decided to create a new section dedicated to [[Fansites]]. I will list your site on this page. The game pages (such as [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]]) are going to only have links to official sites and first-hand sources of information. [[User: | Thanks for asking us instead of just adding it yourself - I appreciate it. We have now decided to create a new section dedicated to [[Fansites]]. I will list your site on this page. The game pages (such as [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]]) are going to only have links to official sites and first-hand sources of information. [[User:Gboyers|Xenon]] ([[User talk:Gboyers|?]]) 16:25, 18 June 2007 (BST) | ||
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Yes, I'm back. | Yes, I'm back. | ||
:Feel free to remedy that! ;) I, for one, have not done much yet because I'm ''playing the game''! --[[ | :Feel free to remedy that! ;) I, for one, have not done much yet because I'm ''playing the game''! --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 13:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
This article needs to be rewritten in a more factual fashion. [[User:Bobagra|Bobagra]] 02:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC) | This article needs to be rewritten in a more factual fashion. [[User:Bobagra|Bobagra]] 02:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Style of this page== | ==Style of this page== | ||
I think this main article reads too much like a review; however, I'm not sure what to do about it. The first thing that comes to mind is to make some sort of sub-page, and transplant most of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th paragraphs, and all of "Critical Reception and Sales." [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]] is very streamlined while still providing crucial information. I really prefer that way, but I'm bringing it up so I can get other perspectives. If nothing else, those things should at least be moved nearer to the bottom of the page. --[[ | I think this main article reads too much like a review; however, I'm not sure what to do about it. The first thing that comes to mind is to make some sort of sub-page, and transplant most of the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th paragraphs, and all of "Critical Reception and Sales." [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]] is very streamlined while still providing crucial information. I really prefer that way, but I'm bringing it up so I can get other perspectives. If nothing else, those things should at least be moved nearer to the bottom of the page. --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 22:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I removed a large amount of this article yesterday, which was all a subjective review. There is no place for that in the main encyclopaedic articles. Yes we should mention external reviews, and give facts and figures, but we should avoid conjouring up assumptions. | :I removed a large amount of this article yesterday, which was all a subjective review. There is no place for that in the main encyclopaedic articles. Yes we should mention external reviews, and give facts and figures, but we should avoid conjouring up assumptions. | ||
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:Definitely don't include terms like "best game" or "worst vehicle", but things like "car handles badly" are okay so long as you explain this with fac (eg "heavy understeer"). One thing I think is acceptable is a small amount of "many people believe" for important thing that can't be proved, such as "many GTA gamers are upset with Jack Thompson", but it should be made obvious that this IS opinion. | :Definitely don't include terms like "best game" or "worst vehicle", but things like "car handles badly" are okay so long as you explain this with fac (eg "heavy understeer"). One thing I think is acceptable is a small amount of "many people believe" for important thing that can't be proved, such as "many GTA gamers are upset with Jack Thompson", but it should be made obvious that this IS opinion. | ||
:[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTASA]] is a much better article, as it remains neutral and informative, even if not purely factual. [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] is a much more important article, and need to be put into a better state ASAP. Thanks - [[ | :[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTASA]] is a much better article, as it remains neutral and informative, even if not purely factual. [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] is a much more important article, and need to be put into a better state ASAP. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 23:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::OK, I can see why it's good to have the "Pre-Release Information" and "Reception" on this page, but I suggest putting it below the "Game Information." I like to think that the people that are visiting us are more concerned with playing the game than how well it sold/reviewed ;) --[[ | ::OK, I can see why it's good to have the "Pre-Release Information" and "Reception" on this page, but I suggest putting it below the "Game Information." I like to think that the people that are visiting us are more concerned with playing the game than how well it sold/reviewed ;) --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 04:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
==External Links Addition== | ==External Links Addition== | ||
Since there is a request to discuss it before adding a link, I've moved this recent addition here so that it can be discussed. | Since there is a request to discuss it before adding a link, I've moved this recent addition here so that it can be discussed. | ||
* [http://www.gta4.tv GTA4.TV] | * [http://www.gta4.tv GTA4.TV] | ||
--[[ | --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 03:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
:That's fine by me. Thanks for discussing it first - [[ | :That's fine by me. Thanks for discussing it first - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Then I'll go ahead and add it to the main article. --[[ | ::Then I'll go ahead and add it to the main article. --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 23:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Bug?== | ==Bug?== | ||
I'm playing on Xbox360 and, well... I've come across either a glitch or a bug. Many calls that I should have received to initiate missions have not occurred, so many that I've been forced twice to restart the game. Has anyone else experienced this? --[[ | I'm playing on Xbox360 and, well... I've come across either a glitch or a bug. Many calls that I should have received to initiate missions have not occurred, so many that I've been forced twice to restart the game. Has anyone else experienced this? --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 23:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Episodic Content Wishlist == | == Episodic Content Wishlist == | ||
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Hi, I don't know where I was suposed to post this, but anyway I propose a wishlist page for the coming episodic content of GTA IV. | Hi, I don't know where I was suposed to post this, but anyway I propose a wishlist page for the coming episodic content of GTA IV. | ||
:Hmm... good point. I think that is covered in [[GTA IV Gripes]] and [[GTA 5 Wishlist]] at the moment. I don't really thing there needs to be 3 separate wishlists, which will say pretty much the same thing. "No Tanks" could be a gripe, "Tanks" could be on the DLC wishlist, and "Tanks" could be on the GTA 5 wishlist. Obviously a few things couldn't go on all 3, but I think 2 is enough. I do agree that some stuff would fit best on a third one, but I'm not sure it would be useful enough to explicitly specify it. Thoughts? [[ | :Hmm... good point. I think that is covered in [[Community:GTA IV Gripes|GTA IV Gripes]] and [[Community:GTA V Wishlist|GTA 5 Wishlist]] at the moment. I don't really thing there needs to be 3 separate wishlists, which will say pretty much the same thing. "No Tanks" could be a gripe, "Tanks" could be on the DLC wishlist, and "Tanks" could be on the GTA 5 wishlist. Obviously a few things couldn't go on all 3, but I think 2 is enough. I do agree that some stuff would fit best on a third one, but I'm not sure it would be useful enough to explicitly specify it. Thoughts? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 23:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Connection == | == Connection == | ||
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Does this game have any connection with previous GTA series? -- [[User:J0V1|J0V1]] 03:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | Does this game have any connection with previous GTA series? -- [[User:J0V1|J0V1]] 03:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Other than the references to previous games shown [[Secrets and Easter Eggs in GTA IV#References to previous games|here]], no. I don't believe the story is at all related to any of the previous games (but anyone feel to correct me if I'm wrong!). --[[ | :Other than the references to previous games shown [[Secrets and Easter Eggs in GTA IV#References to previous games|here]], no. I don't believe the story is at all related to any of the previous games (but anyone feel to correct me if I'm wrong!). --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 03:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Pretty epic bump, but I wanted to point out there are actually several references: | |||
*Cities such as Vice City and Las Venturas are mentioned in-game. | |||
*An Easter Egg shows all the previous major game characters along with "R.I.P.". | |||
*The site [[Lootandwank.com]] mentions the riots in Los Santos. | |||
That's all I've got for now, but I'll post more if I think of any. [[User:Sgt. S.S.|Sgt. S.S.]] 21:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Another External Link Addition == | == Another External Link Addition == | ||
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It helped me to get 100% completion when a lot of other sites couldn't. Thought it'd be great to share : ) | It helped me to get 100% completion when a lot of other sites couldn't. Thought it'd be great to share : ) | ||
-[[ | -[[User:Zpenacho|Zpenacho]] <sup>[[User_talk:Zpenacho|talk]]</sup> | ||
:Is there much on that site that we don't have? If so, you could add it here. Add the link to pages where you use the information from that site. Wherever you add that link, do NOT write about it - this is an encylopaedia not a list of links and writing about how awesome they are. Just put the link in a section at the bottom, and say whats at the link - like I have done at [[Flying Rats]]. Also, sign your talk page posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> - [[ | :Is there much on that site that we don't have? If so, you could add it here. Add the link to pages where you use the information from that site. Wherever you add that link, do NOT write about it - this is an encylopaedia not a list of links and writing about how awesome they are. Just put the link in a section at the bottom, and say whats at the link - like I have done at [[Flying Rats]]. Also, sign your talk page posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Set in 2008 == | == Set in 2008 == | ||
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Are there any reliable sources (or maybe it is mentioned somewhere in the game) for it? Because I've seen 2007 and even 1998 in different sources. [[User:VTOL|VTOL]] 12:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | Are there any reliable sources (or maybe it is mentioned somewhere in the game) for it? Because I've seen 2007 and even 1998 in different sources. [[User:VTOL|VTOL]] 12:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Yes there are. I think it was the gameinformer magazine preview, which had an interview with [[Sam Houser|Sam]] or [[Dan Houser|Dan]] housers. Originally it was going to be set in October 2007, the original release date. However, due to the 6-month delay, they said it could be taken to be set in April 2008, the actual release date. It certainly isn't any older than that, and certainly isn't set in the future.<br /><br />If you read [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10631 this topic], which is a transcription of the original GameInformer preview, there are several references to 2007 ''"we are stepping into Liberty city as seen in 2007" "We are going to get some great music that works with the 2007 Liberty City"'' I'll try and find exactly where it says it changed to 2008. But you're right - this should be cited in the article - [[ | :Yes there are. I think it was the gameinformer magazine preview, which had an interview with [[Sam Houser|Sam]] or [[Dan Houser|Dan]] housers. Originally it was going to be set in October 2007, the original release date. However, due to the 6-month delay, they said it could be taken to be set in April 2008, the actual release date. It certainly isn't any older than that, and certainly isn't set in the future.<br /><br />If you read [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10631 this topic], which is a transcription of the original GameInformer preview, there are several references to 2007 ''"we are stepping into Liberty city as seen in 2007" "We are going to get some great music that works with the 2007 Liberty City"'' I'll try and find exactly where it says it changed to 2008. But you're right - this should be cited in the article - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
I added that its also set in 2009, according to Weazel News footage (the 3rd BoGT trailer.) The security cameras at the bank robbery display May 12, 2009 [[User:Damian001|Damian001]] 22:52, September 21, 2009 (UTC) | I added that its also set in 2009, according to Weazel News footage (the 3rd BoGT trailer.) The security cameras at the bank robbery display May 12, 2009 [[User:Damian001|Damian001]] 22:52, September 21, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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*[[:Category:Locations in GTA IV]] - named physical locations such as towns, districts, housing estates, islands etc | *[[:Category:Locations in GTA IV]] - named physical locations such as towns, districts, housing estates, islands etc | ||
*[[:Category:Liberty City in GTA IV]] - buildings, statutes and usable facilities. Safehouses and transportation locations are in subcategories. | *[[:Category:Liberty City in GTA IV]] - buildings, statutes and usable facilities. Safehouses and transportation locations are in subcategories. | ||
Is this correct, and is this how we think it should be? I know discussions have occured in the past, but explanations are scarce. Once we're sure, we can make sure it is the same for every game, and make sure the categories clearly explain which is which. [[ | Is this correct, and is this how we think it should be? I know discussions have occured in the past, but explanations are scarce. Once we're sure, we can make sure it is the same for every game, and make sure the categories clearly explain which is which. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
== gangs == | == gangs == | ||
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I have to add one more thing that bugs me is that Vice City is in GTA's Florida, San Andreas is in GTA's California but Liberty City is in [[Liberty State]], Whats with that R*? I don't remember the state of New York having a copyright on it. If Liberty City is in Liberty State, shouldnt Vice City be in Vice State, Carcer in Carcer State, San Andreas be in Andreas State? Why disclude your rendition of NYC from the real life reference? LC looks astonishingly close to NYC so it should be in New York, not Liberty State.--[[User:Gerry Spring|Gerry Spring]] 19:20, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | I have to add one more thing that bugs me is that Vice City is in GTA's Florida, San Andreas is in GTA's California but Liberty City is in [[Liberty State]], Whats with that R*? I don't remember the state of New York having a copyright on it. If Liberty City is in Liberty State, shouldnt Vice City be in Vice State, Carcer in Carcer State, San Andreas be in Andreas State? Why disclude your rendition of NYC from the real life reference? LC looks astonishingly close to NYC so it should be in New York, not Liberty State.--[[User:Gerry Spring|Gerry Spring]] 19:20, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
I agree with the cities being islands thing. They could make it an infinite plain of green land as you drive beyond the games map and [ | I agree with the cities being islands thing. They could make it an infinite plain of green land as you drive beyond the games map and [[San Andreas in GTA III Era|San Andreas]] is a state.--[[User:Dasvahdonya|Dasvahdonya]] 13:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC) | ||
I agree as well, it'd be much better if they'd done it like Shoreside Vale in GTA III with the map ending at a mountain with blocked tunnels or something leading to the rest of the world. Also, regarding the states which the cities existed in during the GTA III era, Vice City is stated as existing alongside Miami and (if my memory serves) the same is implied for GTA III-era Liberty City and New York, so it made sense for those to be in Florida and New York State respectively. Rockstar only started moving away from this with San Andreas by creating their own state based on California to set the game in. So my guesstimation is that the GTA IV era is intended to be an alternate "galaxy" of sorts (rather than just an alternate universe), in which New York State, Miami, and California are "replaced" by fictional equivalents like Liberty State, Alderney State, and San Andreas. I suspect that if the GTA 5 rumors are true and it's set in Vice City, this new iteration of it will exist in a new fictional state replacing the real world's Florida. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] 14:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC) | I agree as well, it'd be much better if they'd done it like Shoreside Vale in GTA III with the map ending at a mountain with blocked tunnels or something leading to the rest of the world. Also, regarding the states which the cities existed in during the GTA III era, Vice City is stated as existing alongside Miami and (if my memory serves) the same is implied for GTA III-era Liberty City and New York, so it made sense for those to be in Florida and New York State respectively. Rockstar only started moving away from this with San Andreas by creating their own state based on California to set the game in. So my guesstimation is that the GTA IV era is intended to be an alternate "galaxy" of sorts (rather than just an alternate universe), in which New York State, Miami, and California are "replaced" by fictional equivalents like Liberty State, Alderney State, and San Andreas. I suspect that if the GTA 5 rumors are true and it's set in Vice City, this new iteration of it will exist in a new fictional state replacing the real world's Florida. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] 14:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
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This page is quite long, and very text-heavy. I have moved the contents to the top, so that users can quickly find what they're looking for. Should we move some of the longer sections out, such as Plot and Theme? We could keep short versions in the article, and just use {{template|main}} to link to the rest for people that are interested. Would this distract from the page too much? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 23:48, 13 October 2010 (BST) | This page is quite long, and very text-heavy. I have moved the contents to the top, so that users can quickly find what they're looking for. Should we move some of the longer sections out, such as Plot and Theme? We could keep short versions in the article, and just use {{template|main}} to link to the rest for people that are interested. Would this distract from the page too much? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] 23:48, 13 October 2010 (BST) | ||
== Sales == | |||
According to [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/319017/gta-series-has-shipped-114-million/ CVG], GTA IV has sold 22 million units as of 15 Sep 2011, and the GTA series as a whole sold 114 million units. Interestingly, the article adds that GTA IV sold half a million more units than GTA: San Andreas by the time GTA IV was released (42 months).--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 22:37, 6 November 2011 (GMT) | |||
:Apparantly that's partially incorrect: [http://kotaku.com/5840484/gta-iv-overtakes-san-andreas-in-lifetime-sales] --[[User:Bluesboyjr|Bluesboyjr]] ([[User talk:Bluesboyjr|talk]]) 11:49, 7 November 2011 (GMT) | |||
::What was incorrect? GTA IV sold 22 million in 42 months and SA sold 21.5 million in 42 months, rewording what I wrote. In addition, SA in 84 months sold 27.5 million.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 15:17, 7 November 2011 (GMT) | |||
:::Whoops, I misread your comment as saying GTA IV had sold more overall. Sorry. --[[User:Bluesboyjr|Bluesboyjr]] ([[User talk:Bluesboyjr|talk]]) 19:09, 7 November 2011 (GMT) | |||
== Information == | |||
I was wondering about the links in "Game Information", would it be favorable to add other links like [[Businesses in GTA IV]]. I am asking because I don't quite know the policy about these thing here... [[User:Steahl|Steahl]] ([[User talk:Steahl|talk]]) 23:26, 1 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, definitely. The 'policy' is we want as many links as is ''reasonable'' - so that people can find everything, but without cluttering it up or looking messy. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Thank you :). I'll keep that in mind too.[[User:Steahl|Steahl]] ([[User talk:Steahl|talk]]) 21:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Does it work== | |||
I want to ask,does the windows home basic work in [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTAIV]],because I am thinking of buying it(computer),but I am not quite sure if this computer is able to play this game,and if it doesn't could you give me a list of [[Personal Computer|pc]] versions that are able to play it.[[User:Nameless assasin|Nameless assasin]] ([[User talk:Nameless assasin|talk]]) 17:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
:This is the talk page to discuss the [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] article, not a place for general discussion about the game. Your best bet would be to ask on some GTA forums such as [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums The GTA Place]. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
Oh,I didn't know well thanks for telling me though.[[User:Nameless assasin|Nameless assasin]] ([[User talk:Nameless assasin|talk]]) 17:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Glitch Vehicle== | |||
Hey guys, | |||
I found this really weird vehicle in GTA 4. (This should be on the Blista Compact page probably, but no-one will ever see it there) It's basically the wreck of a Blista Compact with a boat on a TRAILER. I don't see any other mention of it online, so maybe someone who's better at this wiki stuff than me should add it. Here's a Tumblr post I wrote about it: http://pat-bren.tumblr.com/post/36360694201/gta-glitch-vehicle | |||
--[[User:Padddy5|Padddy5]] ([[User talk:Padddy5|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Padddy5|edits]]) 17:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC) | |||