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This is the general talk page for the Grand Theft Wiki community. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions, please list them here. Don't forget to sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | This is the general talk page for the Grand Theft Wiki community. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions, please list them here. Don't forget to sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | ||
''Previous discussions have been moved to [[ | ''Previous discussions have been moved to [[Community talk:Hub/Archive1]].'' | ||
==Category Tags== | ==Category Tags== | ||
I noticed that there are already some pages in [[:Category:San Andreas Missions]]... is that the tag I should be using? --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 21:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | I noticed that there are already some pages in [[:Category:San Andreas Missions]]... is that the tag I should be using? --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 21:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:There is a bit of a mess with categories, as both the sets from GTW and the old gta.wikia.com are in here. The categories you should use for most things are "Category:Somethings in GTA San Andreas", eg [[:Category:Radio Stations in GTA III]]. [[:Category:Characters in GTA Vice City]], [[:Category:Missions in GTA San Andreas]], [[:Category:Vehicles in GTA IV]] - all other categories with the same purpose (eg Category:SAVehicles) should be deleted (with all the contents copied across to the proper category) - this is the same structure as page names ([[Missions in GTA San Andreas]]). Also, [[Template:Prod|<nowiki>{{prod}}</nowiki>]] is the "Propose Deletion" template. [[ | :There is a bit of a mess with categories, as both the sets from GTW and the old gta.wikia.com are in here. The categories you should use for most things are "Category:Somethings in GTA San Andreas", eg [[:Category:Radio Stations in GTA III]]. [[:Category:Characters in GTA Vice City]], [[:Category:Missions in GTA San Andreas]], [[:Category:Vehicles in GTA IV]] - all other categories with the same purpose (eg Category:SAVehicles) should be deleted (with all the contents copied across to the proper category) - this is the same structure as page names ([[Missions in GTA San Andreas]]). Also, [[Template:Prod|<nowiki>{{prod}}</nowiki>]] is the "Propose Deletion" template. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] ([[User_talk:Gboyers|?]]) 08:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Thanks. That's what I'd started using, but got a little confusion. Oh, and thanks for the prod tag. --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 19:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | ::Thanks. That's what I'd started using, but got a little confusion. Oh, and thanks for the prod tag. --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 19:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Updates == | == Updates == | ||
Some of the stuff on the portal needs updating, like mentions of the merge :) I have a stock CP page which I will post on [[User:Kirkburn/Dev]] which you may wish to take some stuff from. Lots of useful links! [[ | Some of the stuff on the portal needs updating, like mentions of the merge :) I have a stock CP page which I will post on [[User:Kirkburn/Dev]] which you may wish to take some stuff from. Lots of useful links! [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 16:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
: Okay posted it on [[User:Kirkburn/Dev]] - some of the links you already cover, but I would especially recommend adding the link lists at the end. [[ | : Okay posted it on [[User:Kirkburn/Dev]] - some of the links you already cover, but I would especially recommend adding the link lists at the end. [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 17:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
I've merged in the changes and moved the page back to the "normal" location. [[ | I've merged in the changes and moved the page back to the "normal" location. [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Wikia Gaming IRC channel == | == Wikia Gaming IRC channel == | ||
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You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, '''#wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net''', where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from [http://irc.wikia.com/gaming http://irc.wikia.com/gaming]. | You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, '''#wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net''', where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from [http://irc.wikia.com/gaming http://irc.wikia.com/gaming]. | ||
Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following [[ | Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following <nowiki>[[Template:Next gaming IRC chat|this link]].</nowiki> | ||
{{ | <nowiki>{{Next gaming IRC chat}}</nowiki> | ||
If you have any questions, [[ | If you have any questions, [[User talk:Kirkburn|don't hesitate to ask me]]! [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 21:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Profile tools == | == Profile tools == | ||
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== Social tools codebase merge == | == Social tools codebase merge == | ||
As you may have noticed, the wikis with social tools are not on the same codebase as other wikis - we are planning to merge them very soon, so you can have the benefits of all the current code updates on Wikia, plus the latest version of MediaWiki. We plan to do this next week at the earliest (23rd June onwards). Regarding the skin changes, this is also likely to be the moment when you switch to Monaco 3.1 and get the new [[ | As you may have noticed, the wikis with social tools are not on the same codebase as other wikis - we are planning to merge them very soon, so you can have the benefits of all the current code updates on Wikia, plus the latest version of MediaWiki. We plan to do this next week at the earliest (23rd June onwards). Regarding the skin changes, this is also likely to be the moment when you switch to Monaco 3.1 and get the new <nowiki>[[Help:Main page column tags|main page tags]]</nowiki>. | ||
The update may affect the functionality of the social tools, but we are hoping to make sure everything runs smoothly. Thanks! [[ | The update may affect the functionality of the social tools, but we are hoping to make sure everything runs smoothly. Thanks! [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) 11:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
:: Just an update. This was completed today. If you see any issues with any of the social features, or anything acting different please let me know! [[ | :: Just an update. This was completed today. If you see any issues with any of the social features, or anything acting different please let me know! [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 21:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Style Guide == | == Style Guide == | ||
I've been working on a page I intend to place at [[Grand Theft Wiki:Style Guide]]. I think I've got it to the point that I'm ready for it to be moved... I just wanted to get a few people to take a look at it first, let me know if there's anything I overlooked. It's on User:GuildKnight/Sandbox/2|my sandbox 2; discussions on the talk page, please. Thanks in advance, --[[ | I've been working on a page I intend to place at [[Grand Theft Wiki:Style Guide]]. I think I've got it to the point that I'm ready for it to be moved... I just wanted to get a few people to take a look at it first, let me know if there's anything I overlooked. It's on User:GuildKnight/Sandbox/2|my sandbox 2; discussions on the talk page, please. Thanks in advance, --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 19:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:There are no arguments voiced, so I'm going to go ahead and move it. Any further conversation regarding the new Style Guide should take place on its [[Grand Theft Wiki talk:Style Guide|talk page]]. --[[ | :There are no arguments voiced, so I'm going to go ahead and move it. Any further conversation regarding the new Style Guide should take place on its [[Grand Theft Wiki talk:Style Guide|talk page]]. --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 22:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Standardized vehicle article layout == | == Standardized vehicle article layout == | ||
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:The current (unwritten) policy on that is to split it into subpages (like /walkthrough on missions) - you could do that for a lot of details about the same vehicle, such as [[Ambulance/handling]]. If a vehicle is totally different inbetween eras, such as the [[Police Car]] or [[Bus]], then I wouldn't have a problem moving the less-important one to another page, such as [[Police Car in GTA 2]]. However I don't think we should do this by standard, certainly not for every page. There would be far too much repeated content, and that is hard to update (as most people would only edit one of them, not every copy). And people would get mixed up and link to the wrong one etc. | :The current (unwritten) policy on that is to split it into subpages (like /walkthrough on missions) - you could do that for a lot of details about the same vehicle, such as [[Ambulance/handling]]. If a vehicle is totally different inbetween eras, such as the [[Police Car]] or [[Bus]], then I wouldn't have a problem moving the less-important one to another page, such as [[Police Car in GTA 2]]. However I don't think we should do this by standard, certainly not for every page. There would be far too much repeated content, and that is hard to update (as most people would only edit one of them, not every copy). And people would get mixed up and link to the wrong one etc. | ||
:So try and use the first method wherever possible (see [[Comet]] or [[Moonbeam]] for half-examples). If you aren't sure what I mean, show me a page you think needs splitting the most (where there are lots of differences), and I'll edit that as an example. When we ''need'' to split stuff into pages, then we can, but we HAVE to maintain links between them all at all times, which is more important than an easy-to-read or massively detailed page. Hope that all makes sense - [[ | :So try and use the first method wherever possible (see [[Comet]] or [[Moonbeam]] for half-examples). If you aren't sure what I mean, show me a page you think needs splitting the most (where there are lots of differences), and I'll edit that as an example. When we ''need'' to split stuff into pages, then we can, but we HAVE to maintain links between them all at all times, which is more important than an easy-to-read or massively detailed page. Hope that all makes sense - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Game Pages== | ==Game Pages== | ||
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You'll notice, in the "Game Information" sections, that most are links to "''Things'' in GTA ''#''". The ones linked to subpages of the main article are articles about the game itself, not about playing the game. These are subjects that would normally be on the main article, but due to size and ease of use considerations have been split from the main article. | You'll notice, in the "Game Information" sections, that most are links to "''Things'' in GTA ''#''". The ones linked to subpages of the main article are articles about the game itself, not about playing the game. These are subjects that would normally be on the main article, but due to size and ease of use considerations have been split from the main article. | ||
So... Love it, hate it? --[[ | So... Love it, hate it? --[[User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]]<sup>[[User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]]</sup> 20:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Login Time == | == Login Time == | ||
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== Adverts == | == Adverts == | ||
Just to clarify the situation on adverts. If you are [[Special:UserLogin|logged in]], you will ONLY see adverts on the [[Main Page]]. If you are not logged in, you will see adverts on other pages. If you don't have an account, just [ | Just to clarify the situation on adverts. If you are [[Special:UserLogin|logged in]], you will ONLY see adverts on the [[Main Page]]. If you are not logged in, you will see adverts on other pages. If you don't have an account, just [{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup register!] [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Is it allowed to talk about hiding the adverts from view?--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]<sup>''[[User talk:Spaceeinstein|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC) | :Is it allowed to talk about hiding the adverts from view?--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]<sup>''[[User talk:Spaceeinstein|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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== Copying of WikiGTA == | == Copying of WikiGTA == | ||
I have noticed that some of your users is copying images of [http://nl.wikigta.org WikiGTA.nl]. The moderator [[User:GTA4PC|GTA4PC]] for example; [ | I have noticed that some of your users is copying images of [http://nl.wikigta.org WikiGTA.nl]. The moderator [[User:GTA4PC|GTA4PC]] for example; [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Katana_vc.png Katana vc.png], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Knife_sa.png Knife sa.png], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Sawn-off_sa.png Sawn-off.png], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Silenced_sa.png Silenced sa.png], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Machete.png Machete.png], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Tec9LCS.JPG Tec9LCS.JPG], etc. I have renderd them, so I can say, I've even took the screenshot used for the Machete. Which is really hard, since it has no spawnpoint. Even when they have a logo on them, he uses them. But instead of the hole image, he just cuts a piece out of it; [http://nl.wikigta.org/wiki/Image:BeachPatrol4.jpg Our version], [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:Paramedic.jpg GTA4PC's cutout]. Hell, almost all images of your Beach Patrol are ours; [http://nl.wikigta.org/wiki/Beach_Patrol_(GTA_Vice_City_Stories)#Screenshots Our page] vs. [[Beach Patrol|yours.]] But wait, by the rewards you get linked to Sunshine Autos.. But wait again, [{{SERVER}}/wiki/File:SunshineAutosVCS.jpg your picture] of the Vice City Stories version.. Where do I have seen that before? Ohyeah; [http://nl.wikigta.org/wiki/Image:Sunshine_Autos_1984.jpg here]. This one has been stolen by [[User:Mcanmoocanu|Mcanmoocanu]]. Who has also stole a lot. Look for example on the [[Characters in GTA Liberty City Stories]] page, and our page; [http://nl.wikigta.org/wiki/Personages_(GTA_Liberty_City_Stories) Characters (GTA Liberty City Stories)]. I can live with one image, but this is just insane! --[[User:ASPHALT|ASPHALT]] 12:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Thanks for your message. [[:Category:Screenshots]] of [[Grand Theft Auto|GTA]] games are copyright to [[Rockstar Games]], not the person who saved the screenshot. Using those screenshots on this wiki qualifies as Fair Use, regardless of who took them. It is not possible to simply re-copyright a screenshot and claim owenership. To this end, we are happy for our users to use existing screenshots on this wiki. However, where there has been significant artistic alteration to the screenshot, then we would usually not allow that to be copied here without permission. This could include labelling [[:Category:maps|maps]], or collaging several images together. On top of this, we have a specific agreement with the [[:de:|German GTA Wikia]] which means we can share ''all'' our images. If any of the images you link to don't qualify as fair use, and WikiGTA owns the copyright, and permission is refused (from staff) to use them, then I can ensure they are removed. I hope this makes sense, but let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | :Thanks for your message. [[:Category:Screenshots]] of [[Grand Theft Auto|GTA]] games are copyright to [[Rockstar Games]], not the person who saved the screenshot. Using those screenshots on this wiki qualifies as Fair Use, regardless of who took them. It is not possible to simply re-copyright a screenshot and claim owenership. To this end, we are happy for our users to use existing screenshots on this wiki. However, where there has been significant artistic alteration to the screenshot, then we would usually not allow that to be copied here without permission. This could include labelling [[:Category:maps|maps]], or collaging several images together. On top of this, we have a specific agreement with the [[:de:|German GTA Wikia]] which means we can share ''all'' our images. If any of the images you link to don't qualify as fair use, and WikiGTA owns the copyright, and permission is refused (from staff) to use them, then I can ensure they are removed. I hope this makes sense, but let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Well, I guess one way of putting it is images that are contained within the text of the article. Mostly ScreenShots, such as of vehicles. For example, the following SS from the FCR-900 page, which should show three images; I looked at the source, searched for the image pages, and I could see them fine there. But on the FCR page itself... | :Well, I guess one way of putting it is images that are contained within the text of the article. Mostly ScreenShots, such as of vehicles. For example, the following SS from the FCR-900 page, which should show three images; I looked at the source, searched for the image pages, and I could see them fine there. But on the FCR page itself... | ||
:And it's like that on just about every page. Also, I checked on two other wikia hosted wikis and I can see that kind of images on them just fine. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 07:28, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | :And it's like that on just about every page. Also, I checked on two other wikia hosted wikis and I can see that kind of images on them just fine. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 07:28, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Ahh, yes, the above images don't show for me either... '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:33, August 2, 2010 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' I use Google Chrome, but also tested IE8 and Firefox on Windows 7. The above images show up in none of them.'''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:41, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::The ads could have caused the images to not show up. I blocked all ads on this site when using Firefox and have no problems seeing images but on IE7 some images are not showing up on this site.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 08:04, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I'm using FF, too; didn't check IE, to be honest. So... is there a way to fix that? [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 08:44, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::''(Biggest gta fan ever pinged me)'' I'd report this via [[Special:Contact]], our team there are best suited to help out. [[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] ([[User_talk:Kirkburn|talk]]) <staff/> 11:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I see a big empty screenshot. Where is that at? --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]]<staff /> 13:13, August 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The screenshot above seems to be from [[FCR-900]]. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Works for me. Its possible that our servers were just being slow when they were creating those thumbnails. --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]]<staff /> 19:23, August 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I don't seem to have any problems with the image in FX and Chrome, but in IE7 the images seem to not appear depending on the size of the window. --'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|spaceeinstein]]''' 20:38, August 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Well, I tried a couple of solutions I've seen around the internet. I tried deleting cookies from this site, and checking the firewall, making sure all images load automatically, but it's still not there. Now, if I log out, I can see them (at least on FCR-900, since we seem to be using that for reference now), but logging in they're not there anymore. I looked around in my preferences but nothing seems to indicate why this happens. I even tried increasing image size limit but it didn't fix the issue. Hope that info helps. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 01:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Doesn't work on Apple Safari either. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 18:17, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Looks more like Wikia servers managing thumbnails are on the fritz again, because other Wikias are suffering the same problem. That's what can be assumed for now. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 09:15, August 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Removal of Social Tools== | |||
Hello GTA community, | |||
As many of you are probably aware, we will soon be rolling out a new skin on all of Wikia. While designing the new look, we did a thorough assessment of all of the features we offer on Wikia. This wiki was one of those trying out the “social tools”, which for this wiki were: profiles, userboards, awards, gifts, friends, userboxes and gamercards. These are now quite out of date and so will be removed when we flip your wiki over to the new skin. Some of these social tools have similar extensions that are available, such as achievements. We have created a new version of gamercards, which is now available on this wiki. Please contact us via [[Special:Contact]] if you would like achievements, or other new features enabled. | |||
You can view the timeline of the new skin rollout on our <nowiki>[[community:User_blog:Sannse/Important_Updates_on_Wikia’s_New_Look|recent staff blog post]]<nowiki>, and more information on our <nowiki>[[community:The new look|FAQ]]</nowiki>. Our current schedule to remove the social tools on October 13th, one week after the initial release of the new look. We will update you here as that date nears. | |||
We will be reassessing all the tools to see if any should be developed more fully in the future, so please let us know if there are any that worked particularly well for your wiki | |||
--[[User:Sarah Manley|Sarah]]<staff /> <nowiki><small>([[community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|Help Forum]]) ([[community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small></nowiki> 01:27, September 30, 2010 (UTC). | |||
:I think that social profiles have worked very well on this wiki for as long as I've been here. I woulden't see the sense of removing them. As for achievments, I noticed that some wikis who do have them have "Editing Limits" where you can only edit a page a certain amount of times so you are not editing just to get the achievments. As it encorages a lot of unesessery editing. An "Edit Limit" is really un-democratic in my opinion. Sometimes pages need huge amounts of edits, often by the same users to be completed. Personally, I edited [[Pedestrian Dialogue|this page]] over 80 times to get it up to speed. I guess the choice is up to [[User:Gboyers]] though. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 02:17, September 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I've always hated the user board, I much prefer my talk page, so it would be good to ''force'' users to use talk pages. On the other hand, I find that gifts, friends and awards encourage new users to edit and remain part of the community - and social profiles are good instead of having a red link for most new users who haven't made their own userpage... I also agree with Chimpso that there should not be an edit limit, even (especially?) regular users and staff need to make alot of edits to a single page from time to time. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:24, September 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I've been beta-testing the new layout for a while now, and it's pretty good. I will be glad to see many of the Social Tools disappear - the user board can be a big problem since it's not moderated in the same way as the rest of the wiki. However, it's nice for users to have a pre-made profile that updates their information. That said, we can build our own default profile page content easily enough. As for awards/achievements, it's nice to keep a track record, but I'm not sure whether our users value them at all? We don't make a big fuss about them. As Chimpso says, that can cause problems with editing-for-achievements. I wish people would use the preview button more instead of clicking Save 30 times in a row! As for gifts and friends, I think it's only a handful of people who bother. Maybe we can make a better way of doing it (like we do for Userboxes). All in all - I say go ahead, we can think of better ways of doing this if we need to. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::To be truthful, I dislike the new look. It's making Wikia look more like a social networking site then a professional wiki organisation. As Grand Theft Wiki is (speaking frankly here) slightly more professional (especially with our templates) then other wikis, this may drop our reputation a little. In addition to this, our site banner will have to go, as it runs on Monaco. We use a lot of infoboxes, the small article content space (600px) and large sidebar means that all the writing is squished and messy, with the infobox looking a lot bigger. Of course it's easy to tweak the userboxes to fit, but on many articles here, some images will have to go, as the article is too cluttered. I was using the new look on the Community Wikia and noticed several clashes between buttons, text and images. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 02:11, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I agree that it's not perfect, and I agree that it's quite a big change. I'm not sure it is necessary to go this far towards looking like a social networking site rather than a big open content-based collaboration. I fully intend to tweak & alter the layout to maximise our content area and provide a recognisable GTW experience. I'll keep you in the loop on that. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:57, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I think that the new skin is rubbish, advertising again. The constant Wikia banner at the top makes it feel no longer like "<code>Grand Theft Wiki (hosted by Wikia)</code>," but more like "<code>Wikia - Grand Theft Wiki</code>" (if you understand what I mean). It looks awful and makes navigation difficult. I quite like Monaco, one of the best MediaWiki skins I've ever seen for both usability ''and'' aesthetics, and they're even taking away customisability with the new skin and terms of use (despite ensuring that it would be ''more'' customisable than Monaco). '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 06:41, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
What BGTAFE said pretty much sums it up. Matter of fact, many wikis are planning to move to other wiki hosts (such as ShoutWiki) to avoid the problems this will cause. Almost all of the people who have commented on satff's blog posts have posted negative comments. A poll that was put up showed that 60 people did not want the move to go through, and only 3 people did (most likley staff). They're not even allowing Monaco as an option! Why? Because it costs too much and the technical support teams cannot handle it. This is what I don't get, if you can't fork out money for something everyone wants, how did you get enough money to utilise social profiles or the "My Home" system? I just continue to wonder. If anyone is interested, check out the [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance Anti-Wikia Alliance] on the Community wiki, it lists users who are not in support, and wikis who are leaving/planning to leave. World of Warcraft wiki, the third largest, is considering a move. Have a look at this change they made to the terms of use: | |||
'''"In keeping with the goals of the new look, our Terms of Use have been updated as well. Admins will no longer be able to completely remove core features for all users by using custom CSS or JavaScript. This is to protect the universal layout and functionality of every wiki on Wikia and ensure that users have access to all of the features available in the new design. Remember, these new terms only apply to the CSS of the wiki as a whole -- they don’t apply to your personal pages.''' | |||
'''To give a few practical examples of what this means: It’s not permitted to remove the right sidebar modules, blogs, and image attribution or add a banner that shifts the entire content area down the page, or alter the fixed width. You can still personalize your wiki with different colors and themes, add large, standout images to the wiki background, create styled templates and tables within the content area. There are plenty of ways to be creative! While these terms will limit what you can do to the overall layout, creativity is still an essential part of Wikia."''' | |||
*''"...Admins will no longer be able to completely remove core features for all users by using custom CSS or JavaScript."'' | |||
:So does that mean that anon editing will be availble on this wiki? That sort of scares me. | |||
*''"...This is to protect the universal layout and functionality of every wiki on Wikia and ensure that users have access to all of the features available in the new design..."'' | |||
:So you're basically saying that you want all wikis to be alike. You are focusing too much on the new users and not enough on the old, more dedicated ones. | |||
*''"It’s not permitted to remove the right sidebar modules, blogs, and image attribution or add a banner that shifts the entire content area down the page, or alter the fixed width."'' | |||
:Bye bye GTW banner, it was nice knowing you. You added much appeal to our site, and it feel so different without you. | |||
*''"There are plenty of ways to be creative!''" | |||
:Well, you're taking away a whole bunch of them now. | |||
This is starting to look like a dictatorship. Sorry for losing my head a little in this, but I strongly support the return of Monaco and the removal of this from the terms of use. | |||
'''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 07:59, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:No, (the part about CSS) shouldn't change user rights at all (anonymous users editing, moving restricted to staff, moderators), as they aren't features that can be altered with CSS (but instead in [[mw:LocalSettings.php|LocalSettings.php]]), though you're right, by trying to make all wikis consistent, they might try to force those changes on us... And the reason they want all wikis the same is apparently because advertisers prefer consistency (over professional looking websites?). '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:32, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::You're right, I always used to think of wikia having these priorities in a wiki: | |||
::*1. Article Content | |||
::*2. Users | |||
::*3. Layout and Design | |||
::*4. Advertisment | |||
::Now however, it's more like this: | |||
::*1. Advertisment | |||
::*2. Users | |||
::*3. Article Content | |||
::*4. Layout and Design | |||
'''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 08:48, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Could GTW staff please convene [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/forum/136-grand-theft-wiki-staff-discussion here] to discuss this? Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:22, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Each time I click on the link I get an error message. [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 22:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Weapons == | |||
Id think it would be more convenient that we would separate all the weapons to their own pages,with the names they appear with ingame. Such as the [[Micro Uzi]] would be named to Micro-SMG,and then the actual fact that its based on Micro Uzi would be included on the page itself. Same should go with many other weapon pages,heres a few for example | |||
[[M16]] should be named as Assault Rifle(for GTA3&VC),M4(for SA), Carbine Rifle(for IV) | |||
[[PSG-1]] should be named as .308 Sniper(for VC) and Combat Sniper(for IV) | |||
[[SPAS-12]] should be named Spaz(for VC) and Combat Shotgun,this especially for IV since it isnt even a SPAS even though its still featured on the same page. | |||
So i think we should do the correct naming and separating,and then add the real-world names/basing to the article itself. | |||
Of course if there is two guns that appear with the same name,they should go at the same article. | |||
I would have done this myself a long time ago,but i dont know how to move/rename articles | |||
Finally,thanks to the people who have made the IV DLC weapons as they should be: ingame name as article name,real world name inside article. | |||
--[[User:J4ff4c3ks1|J4ff4c3ks1]] 18:25, 12 October 2010 (BST) | |||
== GTA IV mission videos == | |||
I have noticed that in the bottom of GTA IV mission pages, the video that is provided with an example, is usually missing or the video of the YouTube user 'GTAmissions' ( http://www.youtube.com/user/GTAmissions ) , now I have nothing against GTAmissions, I'm even subscribed to him. But GTAmissions uses a style of walkthrough which is more.. Based on fun than the content, it seems like he's doing the missions for the first time and doesn't really know what to expect. | |||
Now there's another user called 'GTASeriesVideos'. ( http://www.youtube.com/user/GTASeriesVideos ) | |||
This user provides walkthrough footage of every GTA game and some other Rockstar games. GTASeriesVideos shows a more professional appeal in his videos, because he most likely already completed the missions he uploaded a couple of times and practiced a bit. in GTA IV, he prefers not to attract a wanted level or unnecessary violence and stays professional and informative. For example, he takes faster routes, he aims for the heads, instead for the bodies and drives mature and professional at all times. | |||
I am not trying to advertise for GTASeries, and this is just a simple suggestion, but I thought it could be possible, since the GTA IV mission pages are being cleaned up anyway, to replace GTAMission's videos with those of GTASeriesVideos and maybe even GTA San Andreas, Vice City or GTA III. GTASeries also shows walkthroughs on miscellaneous missions in all GTA games, like the Random Characters in GTA IV, the driving school challenges in GTA SA, stunt jumps, etc. | |||
Here are two examples of the same mission, made by GTAmissions and GTASeriesVideos. | |||
GTAmissions: | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrwtUrXTQcw | |||
GTASeriesVideos: | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gG1VFlH8Lw | |||
Now look at the difference. | |||
GTAmissions is having alot more 'fun' with driving over pedestrians and attracting wanted levels, clearly having trouble with shooting and GTASeriesVideos is shooting more accurately and driving correctly, this gives wiki users a good oppertunity to see an example of the missions in GTA IV being played professionally, instead of easy, 1 take made missions. | |||
Please note again, I am not trying to give GTAmissions a bad name, he makes great videos and is a great walkthrougher, but he doesn't seem to have the thing that a wiki needs. | |||
Also I'm not trying to advertise for GTAseries, he did not give me ANY kind of reward for posting this, this is just me giving my opinion. [[User:Dutchy|Dutchy]] 12:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I agree with the idea - A "professional" and practiced walkthrough offers strategy for difficult aspects of missions. Some of the YouTube videos are just the person playing for the first time, having fun, and winning ''by accident'': perhaps making the video for people who ''don't'' have the game, not people who need ''help''. You shouldn't ''almost die'' in a video game walkthrough, because it makes the walkthrough hard to follow and easily causes the followers to have difficulty in completing the mission. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 23:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
So does this idea have any potential? Is there a date or period planned for the cleanup for the GTA IV mission section? | |||
== GTA Offroad == | |||
...Which may be found at gta4x4.com , is a forum for those who like offroading in Grand Theft Auto games, particularly GTA IV. Unfortunately, very few GTA players know about it, and the forum rarely sees new users...What if we put up a link to it on the Main Page, or on a page related to offroading? [[User:Maxaxle|Maxaxle]] 03:52, 19 September 2011 (BST) | |||
:Thanks for getting in touch. This wiki is not really meant for advertising other sites - there are hundreds of GTA sites and forums which would all like to be featured on our main page. Our purpose is to have useful information about GTA games, so I'm happy for us to link to websites that are useful for our visitors, if they have content that we don't. For example, [[:Category:SUVs]] ''could'' link to your ratings of off-road vehicles, but it doesn't cover many vehicles, and they just seem to have personal opinion rather than much new information. Perhaps if you worked on your site to be useful and fill it with great information, then people would really want to be part of it, and we'd be happy to link to it. But if it's just a forum with a few other pages, that's not going to attract people away from the big GTA sites. Does that make sense? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:35, 19 September 2011 (BST) | |||
Point taken. [[User:Maxaxle|Maxaxle]] 01:44, 21 September 2011 (BST) | |||
== Maxaxle's 254 Chinatown Wars Screenshots == | |||
# I cannot upload them very quickly. | |||
# Most of them are in .bmp format, and I think I would loose my mind trying to convert every single one to .jpg format. | |||
# Many of them must be looked at closely to find anything even slightly useful or noteworthy. A large percentage may be considered pointless. | |||
# You may download them here: http://www.mediafire.com/?d54x8xspbz5ttq9 | |||
-[[User:Maxaxle|Maxaxle]] 01:09, 21 September 2011 | |||
:Thanks for this, I'll check them out. There are [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bulk+image+convert much easier ways] to mass-convert images from BMP to JPG/PNG. But we wouldn't want hundreds of pointless images uploaded here unless they were useful. If you know of ones that would be useful, then upload them or point them out to me. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:06, 21 September 2011 (BST) | |||
::1. Most of them are of vehicles and stuff that happens ingame (drug trade, scratchcards, vehicle theft, the PDA), so they should be useful enough. | |||
::2. Thanks for the suggestion. | |||
::[[User:Maxaxle|Maxaxle]] 00:11, 24 September 2011 (BST) | |||
== Suggestion == | |||
I'm not sure where I should post this but, Would it be possible to looking into changing the colour of the links at the very top of every page, as White is not a good colour to be used on the current background? [[User:Clueless93|Clueless93]] ([[User talk:Clueless93|talk]]) 10:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
== "Eras" == | |||
Rockstar has officially said a couple of months ago that there are no eras, but there are universes: The 2D universe (GTA, GTA2), the 3D universe (GTA III - GTA VCS) and the HD universe (GTA IV - GTA V). On the wiki V has its own Era, even if it's fairly obvious from the Trailer that it's set in the IV Universe (some cars are identical to those from IV). | |||
what I'm asking for is reorganisation of the Era theory, but I know it'll be rejected because I'm not Wiki staff. [[User:Scrab|Scrab]] ([[User talk:Scrab|talk]]) 07:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I've responded to your specific suggestion on [[Talk:GTA IV Era]]. Eras are a grouping system that goes under the universe system - we do use both. Even though GTA V is still within the HD universe (as Rockstar have mentioned), it's still a new era. Even though there are some overlaps (such as vehicles), it's still a new era. | |||
:The only extra thing I'd point out is that the 2011 trailer is very early, perhaps as early as 2 years before release. This would explain why some GTA IV vehicle models had been re-used, and I would expect those to change somewhat before release. I was with Rockstar at the weekend, and I know they still modify parts of games right up until release, literally until a week or two before. I also know they have working alpha copies of games ''several years'' before release, long before even resemble the final game, and that's why models from previous games are used until new ones are made. The trailers haven't shown us anything to suggest that this is "GTA IV, Part II, Niko's trip across the US" or anything that would make us stick it into the IV era. | |||
:So whilst there will be similarities and overlaps (vehicles making an appearance, references to the IV storyline) the games won't be paired together (like expansion packs or a Part II), and they are both part of the HD universe, there's nothing to suggest the games are identical or paired or anything that would make us completely throw away the era grouping system. As I explained, the eras are just a grouping system that explain quite well what goes on and which games are ''definitely'' grouped together. | |||
:Also, having suggestions accepted or rejected is nothing to do with being staff, please don't suggest that. It's true that amongst the staff we have had many discussions about eras, but in the end we've always decided to stick with them. The reason I confidently answer your question is because we've had these discussions many times, and there's still no evidence to suggest it's a bad system or somehow wrong. I'm always happy to have these discussions - that's what makes this wiki what it is, and that's how we've made thousands of decisions over the years. This is all part of the wiki collaboration process! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Returning Characters in GTA V == | |||
I'm not sure why there are 2 pages for Jock Cranley. In my post on the [[Talk:Jock Cranley (GTA V)|talk page]] I explained that they are almost certainly the same character. Now another GTA III Era actor has returned: [[Jack Howitzer]] had a [http://www.lifeinvader.com/profile/jackhowitzer Lifeinvader profile]. I think that we shouldn't create different pages for the same character.--[[User:Hehe5|Hehe5]] ([[User talk:Hehe5|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Hehe5|edits]]) 09:12, 12 September 2013 (BST) | |||
:I agree entirely. It is possible that they are a slightly 'reimagined' character with more background and some new details, but just like we do for vehicles, we should list it on the same page unless there is evidence that he is a completely separate person. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:24, 12 September 2013 (BST) | |||