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==Pay n Spray articles==
[[File:ElQuebradosSheriff-GTASA-office.jpg|thumb|right|333px|Welcome to my headquarters.]]
Hi, I must ask is it really necessary to have articles for each individual Pay 'n' Spray. They would all pretty much have the same information on each page and there isn't much to tell about each other than it's appearance. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 07:57, 4 April 2011 (BST)
 
:Please don't blank your talk page after a Staff member leaves a message here. --[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] <sup>[[User talk:Gta-mysteries|Talk]]</sup> 08:17, 4 April 2011 (BST)


== Re: Grand Theft Wiki ==
== Re: Grand Theft Wiki ==
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:Congratulations, you've been promoted to Inspector. You now have the [[Special:ListGroupRights|rights]] to  [[Special:Patrol|patrol]] edits, and to move pages and images. As you're our only Inspector, we might add more rights as we see fit. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:11, 12 August 2011 (BST)
:Congratulations, you've been promoted to Inspector. You now have the [[Special:ListGroupRights|rights]] to  [[Special:Patrol|patrol]] edits, and to move pages and images. As you're our only Inspector, we might add more rights as we see fit. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:11, 12 August 2011 (BST)
==Inspector Rights==


Does the above sentence not answer your question? The two rights of Inspectors are to patrol edits and move pages. Patrolling is where we check all the edits of all users who aren't trusted. You'll notice on [[Special:RecentChanges]] that users' edits have a red exclamation mark next to them, meaning they have not been checked. If you look at the diff, you can click "Mark as Patrolled" which makes the red exclamation mark go away. Edits of staff and Trusted Users are automatically marked as patrolled (that is the whole point of trusted users). You can click "hide patrolled edits" to see what needs doing. You can also make this process easier by going to [[Special:Patrol]]. All staff pitch in and patrol edits, as it makes sure we all know what's going on ALL over the wiki, but it's one of the key tasks we assign to Inspectors (formerly known as Moderators and Patrollers), as most users don't tend to look into what other people are doing. Secondly, you can move pages by going to the dropdown next to "view history". You may not be able to move pages that are fully protected (admin only), but these are very few. We may add more rights in future (see [[Special:ListGroupRights]] for lists of rights per group). Does that help? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 13 August 2011 (BST)
Does the above sentence not answer your question? The two rights of Inspectors are to patrol edits and move pages. Patrolling is where we check all the edits of all users who aren't trusted. You'll notice on [[Special:RecentChanges]] that users' edits have a red exclamation mark next to them, meaning they have not been checked. If you look at the diff, you can click "Mark as Patrolled" which makes the red exclamation mark go away. Edits of staff and Trusted Users are automatically marked as patrolled (that is the whole point of trusted users). You can click "hide patrolled edits" to see what needs doing. You can also make this process easier by going to [[Special:Patrol]]. All staff pitch in and patrol edits, as it makes sure we all know what's going on ALL over the wiki, but it's one of the key tasks we assign to Inspectors (formerly known as Moderators and Patrollers), as most users don't tend to look into what other people are doing. Secondly, you can move pages by going to the dropdown next to "view history". You may not be able to move pages that are fully protected (admin only), but these are very few. We may add more rights in future (see [[Special:ListGroupRights]] for lists of rights per group). Does that help? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:10, 13 August 2011 (BST)
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:LOL, the above message is a response to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGboyers%2Farchive7&action=historysubmit&diff=324498&oldid=324370 this]. In response to your message, MrLVD [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:MrLanceVanceDance&diff=324650&oldid=324569 removed the userbox from his userpage]. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 12:23, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:LOL, the above message is a response to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGboyers%2Farchive7&action=historysubmit&diff=324498&oldid=324370 this]. In response to your message, MrLVD [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User:MrLanceVanceDance&diff=324650&oldid=324569 removed the userbox from his userpage]. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 12:23, 15 August 2011 (BST)
Also, about your earlier question, the answer is no.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 05:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


== Grand Theft Mods ==
== Grand Theft Mods ==


Hey, could I have your feedback on the [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/topic/26958-grand-theft-mods/ status of] our upcoming Grand Theft Mods site? If you can't access our forum, let me know. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:34, 15 August 2011 (BST)
Hey, could I have your feedback on the [http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/topic/26958-grand-theft-mods/ status of] our upcoming Grand Theft Mods site? If you can't access our forum, let me know. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 07:34, 15 August 2011 (BST)
:You should now have access to the staff forum - please check out the topics there and leave your opinion! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 19:22, 28 August 2011 (BST)
== Vehicle infoboxes ==
Just like to note a few things about the vehicle infobox added to those vehicle articles:
* Thumbnail captions entered there do not need to end with a period. The infobox's code does that for you. Judging by your edits, you seem to have realized that.
* Ensure the thumbnail size given for the lead image is the same. Make sure to check if the lead image is the same as well ([[Securicar]] and [[Enforcer]]).
* vehicle_type and body_style could be used carefully. vehicle_type is used to describe the vehicle in general; body_style describes the specific body style of the vehicle, including the number of doors (i.e. For a [[Cartel Cruiser]], vehicle_type = Civilian truck and body_style = 4-door pickup; for an [[FBI Washington]], vehicle_type = Law enforcement car and body_style = 4-door sedan).
** Both fields must also be used when necessary for completeness; only in rare cases where there isn't enough information could one field be used, in which case only vehicle_type should be used ([[Police Bike]]).
* The top_speed and endurance fields no longer work. They had to be removed because they do not have a lot in the way to explain the vehicle's performance. There is just more to a vehicle than speed and durability only. You seem to have noticed as well.
* Do specify if a fact is exclusive to a specific game. The [[Squalo]] and [[Predator]], for example, do not seat four occupants outside GTA IV. Neither is it known if [[Securicar]]s are manufactured by Brute outside GTA IV.
* There is no need to leave additional spacing between the end of the infobox's code and the start of the rest of the article (empty lines between the "}}" and the article introduction). It leave an unsightly gap on top of the article.
** Disambiguations should be placed above an infobox. They are always positioned above all else in the page for a reason ([[Police Bike]]).
* Don't forget to check for spelling errors and consistency.
Thanks. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:34, 16 August 2011 (BST)
== Cleanup Tags ==
Hey, just a small request. It's best not to add lots of cleanup tags to an article, as it looks quite bad and isn't particularly helpful. I also notice you were adding cleanup tags to articles that were not particularly bad. If you look at [[:Category:Cleanup]], there are hundreds of articles that really ''do'' need our attention, so I'd rather make sure people concentrate on those instead of diluting it with good-but-not-perfect articles. I'm going to be altering the cleanup templates and categories to help us separate ones that urgently need fixing to those that 'could be improved' - do you have any suggestions for how we do that? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:35, 16 August 2011 (BST)
:Another small point - if an image is unused, you don't have to invent a crazy use for it! Just mark it for deletion unless you think it would be useful. I don't think anyone would want to use [[Template:Userbox:Fridgemagnets]] (and it's not really relevant) so both image and template will end up being deleted. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:22, 31 August 2011 (BST)
== Picture ==
How'd you upload a picture on your profile like you got of Lance Vance and how do you make it like a characters page? [[User:Gregallz5|Gregallz5]] 14:55, 2 September 2011 (BST)
== Suggestions ==
{{reply|gboyers|Edit Request}}
Hey, thanks for your suggestions. The staff forum is often the better place for staff-related suggestions, as I can go into a bit more detail about why we do things a certain way or what plans I have for the future, but I can answer both of these questions here:
Mediawiki (the software we run on) isn't really built for access control. Generally speaking, I can give you access to edit entire namespaces only (like Talk:, Template:, Community: etc) rather than individual pages/categories. The Grand Theft Wiki: namespace (called the "project namespace") is for pages about this wiki, it's rules and how we do things. I've deliberately kept this restricted to administrators only. Whilst Inspectors are somewhat staff, their role is not in running the wiki but  in helping users and fixing problems.
I intend to recruit many more Inspectors in the weeks ahead, and I don't want to have to give them a huge list of what they can and can't change, and then have to check every page in the project namespace for accidental changes in meaning or unauthorised rules being added or removed. There is also some very important stuff, like copyright information, that absolutely must not be altered. It's much simpler to say the Project and MediaWiki namespaces are for administrators only - everything else can be edited by anyone. Those that I trust, respect and who I know can do the job without supervision can be promoted to Administrators, if we require more - then they will have the responsibility for making the wiki run smoothly, and have the ability to alter the project namespace to fix or change things. Only the Managers actually can authorise completely new rules or policy or big changes.
Generally speaking, the rules and policy don't change very often, and I don't have a huge list of exactly what administrators can/can't change - they are all very sensible people who I trust not to mess things up. I would not promote someone to administrator unless I knew they could be trusted to be ''able'' to change anything but to not change stuff unless they really needed to, and anything they ''did'' change would be correct. Inspectors, on the other hand, only have to be trusted with the rollback and move rights, and the staff badge - so a lot more people are eligible to be Inspectors.
If there are specific things you know need changing that you don't have permissions to do, just let me know. If there are lots of things on the same page, you could make the edits into a sandbox page and I can then copy-and-paste them into the real page.
Your suggestion of including the rules box is interesting. I don't want to come across as a very authoritarian wiki, where following policy is more important than common sense (like the GTA Wikia has become). I don't want the first thing every user sees to be a big red box of "do not" rules. However, a link to the rules would be reasonable. Generally speaking, the vast majority of our users do not break the rules. It is only a very very very small number of individuals who ignore staff and disrespect the entire wiki - and they would usually be told the rules very specifically the first time they broke them. I don't want to frighten and criminalise the vast majority of users who are normal and sensible.
I hope both of those answers make sense, but feel free to ask further questions on the staff forum if you'd like me to go into more detail. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:04, 7 September 2011 (BST)
{{rules}}
:Hey, when I moved the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Skin]] page into the project namespace, I didn't realise that I was preventing it's original creator from editing it (I wasn't even thinking about that). I was wondering why you created it in the main namespace. Sorry for any inconvenience caused by that! As Gboyers mentioned above, if you plan to create any other pages like that, you could create them in a sandbox (such as [[User:MrLanceVanceDance/Skin]] for the skin example), and then ask an administrator to move it into the project namespace once you're finished editing it. This would simply be cleaner and more professional than creating wiki-related pages in the content namespace. Thanks! '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 12:04, 9 September 2011 (BST)
== Disambiguations ==
Hey, good work on the disambiguation stuff, but there's one small thing that we do differently here. This is going to sound like a HUGE explanation, but I thought I'd try to explain it properly.
If there is a title used by several things, such as Grand Theft Auto (which could refer to the series or the first game) or Downtown Police Station, usually there is one thing with is much more common. Most people say GTA to mean the series, so our [[Grand Theft Auto]] page is about the series. Since this is much more common than using it to mean [[GTA 1]], we let the series keep that page. This is much better than using a horrible disambiguation page, much better than each page having a horrible bracketed title ("Grand Theft Auto (game)" and "Grand Theft Auto (series)"), and much easier than forcing EVERY link on the wiki to use the long page titles with brackets.
Brackets in page names should only be used where ABSOLUTELY necessary, because they are awkward, hard to guess, hard to type, and much less obvious for newer users to figure out (e.g. Do we use capital S for (series)?). In the GTA example, we get around this by having [[Grand Theft Auto]] and [[Grand Theft Auto 1]]. Even though GTA 1 is technically called "Grand Theft Auto", this way is much more obvious and it's what most people know the game as. For [[Downtown Police Station]], there's only one which is actually called that, the others can all have different names, so the VC one can take prominence. On the other hand, for [[Downtown]] (as in the area), none of them are predominantly the "main" one, so that's when we have to have a proper disambiguation page.
See [[wp:BBC]] on Wikipedia for a good example of this. Even though there are [[wp:BBC_(disambiguation)|loads of things]] that BBC refers to, 99% of people mean the British Broadcasting Corporation, so that's where the page goes, and the disambiguation is separate. That is much better than having "BBC (corporation)" for all of them. Hope that makes sense. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:50, 10 September 2011 (BST)
== Re: Blocking ==
{{reply|JFletcher|Blocking}}
That's actually a really good question. Most of the people who are [[Special:Log/block|blocked]] are spammers or vandals, so the reason for their block is completely obvious. For duplicate accounts, often their main account will be given a message instead of on the sockpuppet's talk page. Don't forget that, if you're blocked and try to edit, the message at the top of the page explains the reason (and length) of the block. Any short-term blocks, where the person has been arguing or edit warring etc, ''should'' come with a message, though. Maybe we need to be better at that? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:20, 14 September 2011 (BST)
:I won't disclose all the measure we use against spammers in public. They are different people, but we only have one spammer every now and then - not huge torrents of sockpuppets and vandals like the other wiki. But that is because we treat people fairly. GTA Wikia upsets its users by banning them for (almost) no reason, and they come back as vandals. As for a three-strike rule, I don't agree that that's a good method to use, simply because it is far too rigid. Every offence is of a different level of seriousness and a different level of "intent"; whilst every user would respond differently to different actions.
:For example:
:*A user who registers only to add 1 spam link (not useful/relevant at all) might not cause ''much'' damage, but they should be permanently blocked because they show no intention to be an editor. No warnings necessary, because they would make no difference at all.
:*A user who posts good content but also spams a link to his personal website is a very different situation, because they ''could'' still be a good editor. They need to be shown what is and isn't allowed, where they ''can'' place links, and if they ignore the instructions from staff, ''then'' the blocking route should be pursued. We should be fair rather than blocking them straight away, and this should stop them turning into a vandal.
:In both of these situations, the same offence (1 spam link) has been committed, but very different sets of actions need to be taken. If we were the GTA Wikia, then the way they strictly apply the blocking policy in EVERY situation (even to ''staff'') means they treat good users (who make mistakes, or get carried away, or just don't know all the rules) as vandals and spammers.
:Also consider a user who was warned for posting 1 spam link 2007, was warned for an edit war in 2010, and now has an argument in 2011. But in between, they have made thousands of good edits. A three-strike rule means we'd have to block them forever, which is ridiculous. You could probably find 3 examples of where a staff member has broken a rule. Then we have to make dozens of exceptions which are open to abuse, saying things like "if they have >100 edits then they are allowed 4 warnings, not 3" etc. That ends up being a ridiculous mess, then we'd end up having to demote/block staff who didn't follow it exactly. That's what's [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Comminuty_Noticeboard/Archive_2#Bunnyjoke_demotion_.28Bureaucrats_only_vote.29 already happened] on the GTA Wikia.
:So this is why I make sure all my administrators are strong enough to make their ''own'' decisions based on what will benefit the wiki most, and what is fair for the users. If someone has a decent chance of being (or becoming) a good editor, then we should help them, not ban them for some silly or abritrary reason. Our promotion process is based around staff that can make fair decisions around complex situations, and I've not seen anything I really disagree with for quite a while.
:Is there a specific user or situation you're thinking of where our current method of operating has failed or could be better? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 14 September 2011 (BST)
Sorry, I did say "they are different people". They are different IPs, too. It's not as if we have loads of spammers every week, just one every now and then. I do check IPs amongst other things, and we also block IPs in many circumstances, but as I said I won't disclose this all in public. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 11:49, 16 September 2011 (BST)
:Nice job on the speedy rollbacks. ECowans69 was an example of an automated spam bot, so there's no point in giving a warning, as they would NEVER ever be a useful contributor - that's just an instant ban. One clue is that the username looks a bit automatically-generated (but not as obvious as random letters/numbers). Even if it was a human spamming like that, it's clear that their ONLY purpose here is to spam. Generally, if someone is definitely not here to edit the wiki, only to abuse it, we remove them. So if you spot it, the best thing you can do is notify the staff either on a talk page, the [[SN]] (which we should all have on our watchlist) or on the forum. The only difference would be where there's some evidence that they could (or intend to) contribute properly, such as if they were a user from the other wiki who came here to argue. In those situations, a temporary block can calm the situation down, whilst showing we're happy for them to come here and contribute afterwards. Also, check out the new [[Grand Theft Wiki:Behaviour]] policy if you have a chance. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 17:25, 23 September 2011 (BST)
== [[Talk:Mendez Mansion|Re:Mendez Mansion]] ==
Perhaps it would be a good idea if we discussed whether we really need to have so many articles of individual locations? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 12:45, 26 September 2011 (BST)
== Re:Editing style and infoboxes ==
Just a reminder, please be mindful of the effects of very visible additions on a page, like images or infoboxes. When adding multiple images, consider the option of using a gallery, or avoid using images that show the same thing. [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Cover_System&action=historysubmit&diff=326526&oldid=205348 Redundant images] or articles that are [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Pay_%27n%27_Spray&action=historysubmit&diff=329802&oldid=328914 too] [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Comrades_Bar&action=historysubmit&diff=325463&oldid=321827 cluttered] will disinterest readers.
As for the location infobox, I'm not really sure if it's a good idea to adding that thing all over those location articles so soon. I've always thought the infobox needs some re-adjusting, and having the infobox linked to too many articles will make complete overhauls tough. Also, please ensure that [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Downtown_Police_Station&action=historysubmit&diff=330226&oldid=326645 any lead images] [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Little_Havana_Police_Station&action=historysubmit&diff=330227&oldid=318307 that are added] [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Vice_Point_Police_Station&action=historysubmit&diff=330228&oldid=318337 into an infobox] [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Washington_Beach_Police_Station&action=historysubmit&diff=330229&oldid=321939 retain their original image size]. And don't forget to [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Cover_System&action=historysubmit&diff=326526&oldid=205348 avoid leaving spaces between the end of an infobox code/image thumbnail and the start of the main body of article text]. People won't take articles that are poorly coded seriously.
For the record, the names of the police stations mentioned in the articles above have no official name, so they're not supposed to be completely capitalized. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 14:02, 29 September 2011 (BST)
== Re:Article rename and split ==
There is an issue with splitting [[Express Car Service]] into an article on the service and an article [[Express Car Service Depot|on the structure]]. Do we even need to do this? Both articles are essentially explaining the same thing, going back to the problems that come about when creating excessive redundant articles.
<strike>Secondly, is there any evidence that [[Washington Beach Police Station|Washington Beach police station]] is a police headquarters? The Downtown police station is arguable larger and better equipped (at least in GTA Vice City); wouldn't logic dictate that building should be a HQ (not that that means that article should be renamed either; I don't know which building is actual the HQ).</strike> Scrap that. The in-game HUD says it's the "VCPD HQ" when I enter in GTAVC.
If you need help with the abovementioned issues, just ask at my talk page. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 10:10, 1 October 2011 (BST),
== Empty Image Pages ==
Hi, about [[:File:HUD-GTAA.jpg|this image]] which you marked for deletion. Generally when an image page exists and is used in articles, but there is no image, it is because the image failed to be transferred over in the [[move from Wikia]]. What you should do is go to [http://gta.wikia.com/File:HUD-GTAA.jpg the image with the same name at Wikia], CLICK ON THE IMAGE to get the highest resolution version, and copy the URL. Then go to the empty image page here and click upload, and as an inspector you can and choose ''upload from source URL'', and paste in the URL, scroll down to the bottom, check ''Ignore any warnings'' (the warning is simply that the page already exists) and click upload. Thanks! '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 10:56, 8 October 2011 (BST)
:Oh crap, sorry - I know that you prodded most of those images, so I didn't even look at the history... My mistake. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 05:57, 9 October 2011 (BST)
== Omitted dialogue ==
In what versions of the game was that dialogue omitted? Look at the video walkthroughs of those missions, that dialogue is still there at least for the PC version.
--[[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] 16:23, 18 October 2011 (BST)
== Re:Shoreside Vale Hideout ==
See [[Talk:Shoreside Vale Hideout|talk page]] for discussion. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] 11:52, 23 October 2011 (BST)
== Redundant images at [[Cover System]] ==
Do we need so many redundant images? The [[:Image:GTAIV-Cover.jpg|four]] [[:Image:Sniper Rifle.jpg|newly]] [[:Image:GTAIV-ThirdView.jpg|added]] [[:Image:AutoEroticar.jpg|ones]] simply show the player character covering behind objects, which is already illustrated ''and'' explained. All these do is clutter the page and distract readers from thumbnails that actually provide information. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 10:12, 26 October 2011 (BST)
Look, just like your four images, these images serve a purpose on GTW: The sniper rifle one represents the "one simple button press" that pushes the player into cover, away from gunfire. It also shows the ability to use the sniper rifle while inb cover. The "GTAIV-Cover" one shows the cover system in progress to viewers as soon as they access the page and the "Auto Eroticar" picture shows the ability of the player to move along cover. As with the "Third View" image, I don't know why I added it, you can remove it if you wish. But for the others, I put them there for a purpose and I believe they should stay to illustrate that purpose.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 10:18, 26 October 2011 (BST)
:Let's break down the discussion image by image:
:# [[:Image:Sniper Rifle.jpg]]: I don't see the player actually moving into cover. It's just the player peering out the corner while covering. Using a sniper rifle while in cover is also very unconventional, especially if players find it necessary use weapons with more rapid firing rates in closer combat. Plus it can simply be explained in the main body of text that the player can fire any firearm while in cover; neither are these screenshots illustrating the player actually blind firing uncoventional weapons while in cover, which would be far more interesting.
:# [[:Image:GTAIV-Cover.jpg]]: The starting length of the article is too short to support more than two images in both the intro and the succeeding section. When that image was added, [[:Image:CoverSystem-GTAVC-inuse.jpg]] was already present on top of the article, acting as both a lead image and the corresponding image to the [[Cover System#Pre-GTA IV|"Pre-GTA IV" section]]; it also suites the chronological order of illustrating the feature in an earlier game rather than displaying bias towards newer games, because it establishes that the feature goes further back before GTA IV. But by adding GTAIV-Cover.jpg, the images are now stacked unsightly, with both thumbnails bleeding into unrelated sections and pushing CoverSystem-GTAVC-inuse.jpg beyond the start of the "Pre-GTA IV" section. This is exactly the reason I avoid image stacking if they are not sufficiently related (like similarly sized exterior and interior shots) or are unavoidable.
:# [[:Image:AutoEroticar.jpg]]: Strafing while in cover is already explained in the text; while I emphasize visual aids, they're meant to complement the text that they accompany; too much reliance on images will completely distract readers from actually reading the written parts of the page. Nevertheless, strafing can be illustrated, but as an additional image in [[:Image:Cover-GTA4-basics.jpg]], which I'll try to screencap soon. And I'm more for displaying the feature while in actual gameplay rather than simply resorting to pre-release screenshots. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 11:03, 26 October 2011 (BST)
I see and understand your point. Do whatever you need to do with that article.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 11:55, 26 October 2011 (BST)
:I'm sorry I sounded a little harsh, but there is a need to maintain a bit of quality in presentation; come to think of it, your argument on the sniper bit did reveal to me a few interesting quirks when the player uses it when taking cover, which I'll be adding into the article soon. Meanwhile I've taken the liberty of screencapping and uploading a new version of [[:Image:Cover-GTA4-basics.jpg]] to address the lack of illustrated strafing and peeking that led to the usage of those pre-release screenshots. A new version of [[:Image:Cover-GTA4-blindfire.jpg]] has also been uploaded to supersede [[:Image:Cover-GTAIV.jpg]]. Cheers. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 13:11, 26 October 2011 (BST)
== Re:[[ProLaps]] ==
A bit of advice. Surely you should be aware that adding redundant images aren't very helpful, but there is also a need to check if an orphaned image was removed from a page for a reason. This can be done by looking into the edit history of a page and verifying if the image was removed with a proper justification.
I mentioned it because [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=ProLaps&action=historysubmit&diff=335662&oldid=330884 an image that I removed] was [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=ProLaps&action=historysubmit&diff=336194&oldid=335850 reinstated just four days laters]. <s>The image was originally removed as it's simply a pair of black gloves with a stark "PROLAPS" text printed on, too minor of a brand name's appearance in comparison to its appearance on, say, a golf cart or parachute, when it actually has bearing in gameplay or has a logo with a distinctive design. This goes double for any minute depiction of the logo, like on an article of clothing;</s> we don't need to illustrate ''every'' instance of the name or logo appearing as it's already established that its name is common on clothing and sporting goods. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 19:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
:Turns out there was a logo, but still, part of my argument still holds water. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 19:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
== Re:[[Body Armor|Body "Armour"]] ==
Take note that the [[Body Armor|Body Armour]] article has been renamed back to "Body Armor" under the justification given in the [[Talk:Body Armor|article's talk page]]. The rename goes against the official spelling given in the games themselves. - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 18:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
== Re:Account on Wikia ==
no i dont why do you ask??---[[User:Gtajesus]]
i respect your opinion as an admin but do you have proof of this???---[[User:Gtajesus]]
maybe so but thats does not mean that I copyed those pages off of wikia---[[User:Gtajesus]]
i know the rules on copyright and everything on here so if i did something what will happen will those pages be deleted---[[User:Gtajesus]]
fair enough but since this is my first offence can i just get a warning???---[[User:Gtajesus]]
which is what exacly---[[User:Gtajesus]]
so when will i know if ive been blocked or not---[[User:Gtajesus]]
== Archiving Talk Pages ==
Hi, about [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:MrLanceVanceDance&diff=339254&oldid=339242 this edit], I don't think that removing old discussions in order to remove the clutter from talk pages is a good idea, someone may still benifit from that discussion in the future. What we generally do is archive the talk page, which is dne by moving the entire page to a sub-page, protecting it, and creating a new, empty talk page. For example, see the links at the top of [[User talk:JFletcher|my talk page]]. '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 07:05, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== RE: Protecting Talk Pages ==
Hi - That actually seems to be outdated. Back on Wikia, Inspectors (called ''moderators'' at the time) could protect talk pages, but according to [[Special:ListGroupRights|this]], that right was never given to Inspectors after the move. After the move, the user rights weren't automatically carried over, Gboyers had to manually configure them again, so perhaps he just forgot to do it/didn't realise that it was like that before. You're right that either Inspectors need to be given this right or the staff page needs to be updated, so perhaps you should mention this to Gboyers (as he's the only person capable of changing user rights). Thanks! '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 10:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== RE: Licencing images ==
sure i can do that but i need time to do it and i have no idea how to add the things needed since when i press edit all i see is the warning you put please help me on that one cause if i am to licence them all i need to do it before they are chopped---[[User:Gtajesus]]
it does make sense but like i said i will need time i am currently working on it let you know when im done---[[User:Gtajesus]]
all my images have been given copyright info if there is any i missed let me know and i will get to it so can you take them off death row---[[User:Gtajesus]]
==Dan Sug==
Hey, Mr LVD. There is a user called [[User:Dan Sug]] who made some wrong edits. He's a known vandal in Wikia's GTA wiki, and was recently blocked.
I just want to warn you about him. -- [[User:Ilan xd|Ilan xd]] ([[User talk:Ilan xd|talk]]) 16:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
:Keep a special eye on the [[Lester Arnold]] page.  He got blocked on the other place for repeatedly changing the article to say that Lester was that guy that Billy Grey killed even though he was told point blank by multiple members of staff that he was wrong and needed to stop.  BTW it isn't just GTAwiki he got blocked from, he was also blocked on LA Noire wiki and I think Red Dead Wiki as well.  I know there was a third one just not positive which one it was. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> <sup>[[User talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup> / <sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 05:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
== Re:Wiki Activity ==
Oh hey, man. Yeah, I'm still around! I've just been taking some time off. Thanks for checking in on me :) <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px; color:080808;">''[[User:Silver Infernus|It makes sense]] [[User talk:Silver Infernus|if you don't]] [[Special:Contributions/Silver Infernus|think about it...]]''</span> 05:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
== Categories ==
Hey, just a quick note. When categorising specific/deep articles and images, try to find the correct specific category for that page type, rather than adding [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=File:TruckHustle-GTAIV.jpg&diff=342512&oldid=338643 every possible relevant category]. Otherwise, we would end up with EVERY single article and image being in [[:Category:Grand Theft Auto]], making it impossible to navigate and not very useful. For images, the copyright template is usually enough - such as [[:File:TruckHustle-GTAIV.jpg]] where I've used the new {{template|gtaiv-vehicle}} template which adds the right category for that image. You can see the new templates on [[Special:Upload]] or [[Template:Copyright templates]] (we've not added them to every image yet). Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
== RE: TGTAP account  ==
Hello. No, I don't have an account with The GTA Place. Why'd you ask? [[User:Awc|Awc]] ([[User talk:Awc|talk]]) 21:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
== Image Categories ==
Hey, nice to see you editing. Just a quick note - you shouldn't add categories to most images (except where a very specific one is needed), because the licensing template automatically adds all the required categories. Not all images need to go into Category:Images or Category:Screenshots, as those categories become too large to be useful. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
== Excessive reuse of images on other articles ==
Not sure what to say about all that reuse of existing images on other articles. Some of the pages you've worked on have ended up being too cluttered with pictures that it looks messy as hell to read. Images that are only remotely related are [[San Andreas Police Department|shoehorned]] [[The Pleasure Domes Club|into articles]] [[Weapons in GTA San Andreas|without adding]] [[Golf|much context]]. Not only that, image maintenance (i.e. image replacement or renaming) is more time consuming because it facilitates working across multiple pages.
That's not to say you're doing a good job, but don't you think you're overdoing it a little? - [[User:ZS|ZS]] ([[User talk:ZS|talk]]) 09:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:I've already spoken with MrLVD about shoehorning images into articles where they don't fit - it does make the articles messy. However, the examples you cite above aren't actually that bad. It's good that the SAPD article shows all types of officer and vehicle, that we get an inside+outside shot of a building, and a comparison of golf in all the games it appears in. The only dodgy one is [[Weapons in GTA San Andreas]] where the HUD icons aren't placed next to anything in particular, but that page needs revamping anyway. LVD - My advice would be that if you find an image you want to use/reuse, check the article and see if it ''needs'' an image showing that. If it really needs it, you might have to reorganise the article to make it fit in nicely. If it doesn't really need it, don't add it! [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I apologise for any inconvinience I have caused with placing those images in the article. I placed those images in the article beacue I thought they belonged in the article, and suited it well.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] ([[User talk:MrLanceVanceDance|talk]]) 06:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
==Script==
Hi MrLanceVanceDance :). I've been reading some mission articles and I saw that there are some scripts. I was about to remove them but I realize I have to ask for the staff of this wiki if any of those scripts are copyright violations. [[User:ExtremoMania|<span title="Visit me" style="display:inline-block"><font size="4" face="Broadway">'''ExtremoMania'''</font></span>]] [[User talk:ExtremoMania|<span title="Message me"><sup><u>'''Talk To Me This Way'''</u></sup></span>]] 01:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the tip LVD :). I thought I'd made another big mistake after the first edit here in the articles and it was undone, but thanks again. [[User:ExtremoMania|<span title="Visit me" style="display:inline-block"><font size="4" face="Broadway">'''ExtremoMania'''</font></span>]] [[User talk:ExtremoMania|<span title="Message me"><sup><u>'''Talk To Me This Way'''</u></sup></span>]] 04:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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