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Category Tags

I noticed that there are already some pages in Category:San Andreas Missions... is that the tag I should be using? --GuildKnight^Talk2me 21:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a bit of a mess with categories, as both the sets from GTW and the old gta.wikia.com are in here. The categories you should use for most things are "Category:Somethings in GTA San Andreas", eg Category:Radio Stations in GTA III. Category:Characters in GTA Vice City, Category:Missions in GTA San Andreas, Category:Vehicles in GTA IV - all other categories with the same purpose (eg Category:SAVehicles) should be deleted (with all the contents copied across to the proper category) - this is the same structure as page names (Missions in GTA San Andreas). Also, {{prod}} is the "Propose Deletion" template. Gboyers (?) 08:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what I'd started using, but got a little confusion. Oh, and thanks for the prod tag. --GuildKnight^Talk2me 19:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Updates

Some of the stuff on the portal needs updating, like mentions of the merge :) I have a stock CP page which I will post on User:Kirkburn/Dev which you may wish to take some stuff from. Lots of useful links! Kirkburn (talk) 16:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay posted it on User:Kirkburn/Dev - some of the links you already cover, but I would especially recommend adding the link lists at the end. Kirkburn (talk) 17:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've merged in the changes and moved the page back to the "normal" location. Kirkburn (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikia Gaming IRC channel

Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, #wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net, where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from http://irc.wikia.com/gaming.

Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following this link. {{w:Next gaming IRC chat}}

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me! Kirkburn (talk) 21:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Profile tools

Discussion moved to: Grand Theft Wiki talk:Profile Tools

Social tools codebase merge

As you may have noticed, the wikis with social tools are not on the same codebase as other wikis - we are planning to merge them very soon, so you can have the benefits of all the current code updates on Wikia, plus the latest version of MediaWiki. We plan to do this next week at the earliest (23rd June onwards). Regarding the skin changes, this is also likely to be the moment when you switch to Monaco 3.1 and get the new main page tags.

The update may affect the functionality of the social tools, but we are hoping to make sure everything runs smoothly. Thanks! Kirkburn (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Just an update. This was completed today. If you see any issues with any of the social features, or anything acting different please let me know! angies<staff /> (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Style Guide

I've been working on a page I intend to place at Grand Theft Wiki:Style Guide. I think I've got it to the point that I'm ready for it to be moved... I just wanted to get a few people to take a look at it first, let me know if there's anything I overlooked. It's on User:GuildKnight/Sandbox/2|my sandbox 2; discussions on the talk page, please. Thanks in advance, --GuildKnight^Talk2me 19:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

There are no arguments voiced, so I'm going to go ahead and move it. Any further conversation regarding the new Style Guide should take place on its talk page. --GuildKnight^Talk2me 22:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Standardized vehicle article layout

As I've been working on the vehicle articles in an attempt to tidy them up, I've gradually developed a consistent layout that I've been applying to them. The problem is, nothing is accepted as standard and everyone has their own ideas of how things should be done, so if I run through a list of articles that need improving and apply my ideas to them, by the time I'm finished half of them have been changed yet again, my edits have been reverted without explanation, or something. The bottom line is it's impossible to maintain consistency without some kind of established style guidelines for each type of article, and I think it's time that was rectified.

So I've put together an example of how I think a vehicle article should be laid out, with an in-depth explanation of my thinking behind it on the associated talk page. Please take a look and give your opinion on it, and hopefully we can agree on a standardized design for vehicle articles, preventing disagreements. --MattyDienhoff 19:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

That layout would work well. I agree that there needs to be a standard... every GTA IV vehicle page I come across is either poorly worded, redundant, disorganized, or just a stub. Thevictor390 17:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

UserRights

Hi all, a quick note for Bureaucrats on a change made today. Instead of the specific special pages for making admins, giving rollback etc. please use Special:UserRights. This now allows you to set the following rights:

• Add bureaucrat
• Add admin
• Add and remove rollback
• Add and remove moderators

Please let me know if there are any problems or if you don't feel this is the right selection of rights for this wiki. Thanks -- sannse<staff /> (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Vehicle page consistency: Defining 'Variants'

I've got a lot to say, and I've spent a lot of time thinking it through so please, hear me out.

In all past GTA games, there have been only minor variations within the confines of each vehicle model (pickup trucks might come with different cargo in the back, for example, and convertibles would come with or without a soft top, etc). Therefore, when writing vehicle articles in the past (for those games), I'd consider a variant of a vehicle to be another vehicle that's clearly based on the vehicle I'm writing about (Example: the Taxi is a variant of the Premier in GTA:SA). The problem is, GTA IV introduces a large number of 'special' versions of vehicles that are quite different to their respective stock models, and are sometimes even badged differently with appendixes like 'GT' or 'XS', but go under the same in-game names as the original models regardless.

To draw a contrast; In GTA VC, as we all know, there were two Sentinels, the stock Sentinel, and the souped up Sentinel XS. Those are clearly defined as two seperate vehicles, yet in GTA IV both variants also appear, but under the same name, Sentinel. Simiarily, in the earlier games unique gang-driven variants of existing vehicles would have a seperate name. In GTA SA this was irrelevant because gangs didn't drive unique cars, but that's not the case in GTA IV. Gangs drive unique vehicles, but they're uniformly referred to the same names as their stock equivalents (Examples of unique gang vehicles are the Mafiya Schafter, the Mafiya Rebla, the Irish Mob Contender, and the Spanish Lords Primo and Cavalcade).

Okay, so what am I actually getting at? I'm trying to figure out how to distinguish between 'variants' as in other vehicles based on this one and 'variants' as in different versions of this vehicle, and I can't think of anything, so I'd like to hear what you guys have to say. --MattyDienhoff 17:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Make vehicle pages game specific?

While I'm at it, a similar subject I've been thinking about recently is this; in the case of vehicles that appear in multiple games, would it be worth splitting those articles into different ones for each game? Or, alternatively, split such an article into one for each significantly different rendition of the vehicle? (Like Perennial (GTA III Era) and Perennial (GTA IV)?) My train of thought here is that:

A: Of the vehicles have been featured in almost every game in the series so far, most have changed at least a bit and some have changed a lot in recent times (The Perennial and the Manana are two classic examples that have changed a lot in GTA IV, and the Emperor is a more recent one - the Emperor went from being a modern sedan to a 1970s Cadillac clone) and it's becoming very difficult to keep tabs of what each version of each vehicle looks like and how it works in each game without making the article confusing and contradictory.

B: This is also an issue with the other points of data, like car modifications (SA) and manufacturer (IV). Things like these are only applicable to one of the many appearances of those vehicles, so each article gradually becomes a mixed up collection of facts that all apply to different games, with the parts discussing the appearance and handling of each rendition of the vehicle coming to resemble something of a changelog.

Then there's things like 'variants' which I discussed above. Since designs are always changing, the relationships between different vehicles varies wildly between games. For example, in GTA IV the Ambulance is related to the Burrito as the front bears a striking similarity and it's manufactured by the same company, but these two vehicles bear no such relation in any of the earlier games. Similarily, in GTA III the Rumpo referred to an ordinary van that looked a lot like the Burrito, while the Pony was a tall roofed van. From Vice City onward, the tall roofed van formerly called the Pony was renamed Rumpo, a new van similar to the tall roofed van was created named the Pony, and the Burrito was created, looking a lot like the former Rumpo. Try explaining that away all in one article and you've got yourself a problem.

This might seem unnecessary at first glance, but some pages are getting very complicated and awkward detailing all of the differences, so I think we should at least consider splitting them. Thoughts? --MattyDienhoff 17:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I can understand your frustration with some pages getting long and complex. For most articles splitting things into clearly-defined subsections is enough. Use <br clear="both" /> to force a new line before each section, which keeps images and text together properly. Here you just outline the differences for each game, and you can say what they resemble and add an image, and it all stays togehter. The advantage of this is that everything is in the same place, and if there is anything common between more than one game, it can go at the top. Also this helps every page stay the same, rather thaan having some pages split, some not, some long pages, some very short pages etc. However, I appreciate that some pages may be too long even for this process.

The current (unwritten) policy on that is to split it into subpages (like /walkthrough on missions) - you could do that for a lot of details about the same vehicle, such as Ambulance/handling. If a vehicle is totally different inbetween eras, such as the Police Car or Bus, then I wouldn't have a problem moving the less-important one to another page, such as Police Car in GTA 2. However I don't think we should do this by standard, certainly not for every page. There would be far too much repeated content, and that is hard to update (as most people would only edit one of them, not every copy). And people would get mixed up and link to the wrong one etc.

So try and use the first method wherever possible (see Comet or Moonbeam for half-examples). If you aren't sure what I mean, show me a page you think needs splitting the most (where there are lots of differences), and I'll edit that as an example. When we need to split stuff into pages, then we can, but we HAVE to maintain links between them all at all times, which is more important than an easy-to-read or massively detailed page. Hope that all makes sense - Gboyers ^talk 19:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Game Pages

As I've been wandering around the wiki, I've noticed that some of the game pages are rather messy and unorganized. Following the examples set by Grand Theft Auto IV and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, I've rewritten a few in my sandboxes:

• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
• Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
• Grand Theft Auto III

You'll notice, in the "Game Information" sections, that most are links to "Things in GTA #". The ones linked to subpages of the main article are articles about the game itself, not about playing the game. These are subjects that would normally be on the main article, but due to size and ease of use considerations have been split from the main article.

So... Love it, hate it? --GuildKnight^Talk2me 20:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)