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{{Gripe}}Recently, Rockstar removed the ability to turn off Blips in multiplayer Free Mode. That is incredibly stupid. | {{Gripe}}Recently, Rockstar removed the ability to turn off Blips in multiplayer Free Mode. That is incredibly stupid. | ||
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{{Gripe}}16 online players isn't enough in Free Mode. It would have been preferable if it had up to 50 players, instead of less. | {{Gripe}}16 online players isn't enough in Free Mode. It would have been preferable if it had up to 50 players, instead of less. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Enjoy your lags. | :{{Rebut}}Enjoy your lags. | ||
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::::{{gripe}}No, there wouldn't be a lag because Resistance 2 for the PS3 can have 60 players online. Another PS3 exclusive, is Massive Action Game which will have 256 people online. I doubt there will be a lag. As long as they make it right, there could be more people online. | ::::{{gripe}}No, there wouldn't be a lag because Resistance 2 for the PS3 can have 60 players online. Another PS3 exclusive, is Massive Action Game which will have 256 people online. I doubt there will be a lag. As long as they make it right, there could be more people online. | ||
:::::{{Rebut}}The reason Resistance 2 can get 60 players is because the game's developer, [[wp:Insomniac Games|Insomniac Games]], is a first-party developer for Sony. Insomniac has an intimate knowledge of the PS3 architecture and can fully exploit its potential. | :::::{{Rebut}}The reason Resistance 2 can get 60 players is because the game's developer, [[wp:Insomniac Games|Insomniac Games]], is a first-party developer for Sony. Insomniac has an intimate knowledge of the PS3 architecture and can fully exploit its potential. | ||
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{{Gripe}}There isn't enough online game modes. | {{Gripe}}There isn't enough online game modes. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Do you want "Day-Shift-Manager" as a mode, because fifteen modes is plenty, I don't think many people could come up with more possible modes. | :{{Rebut}}Do you want "Day-Shift-Manager" as a mode, because fifteen modes is plenty, I don't think many people could come up with more possible modes. | ||
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{{Gripe}}During races, players may tend to warp in order to stay ahead. This has been a major problem and players shouldn't be racing if having bad connections, yet they didn't seem to care, let alone notice. | {{Gripe}}During races, players may tend to warp in order to stay ahead. This has been a major problem and players shouldn't be racing if having bad connections, yet they didn't seem to care, let alone notice. | ||
:{{Rebut}}They can't control their connections, so you'll just have to deal with it. | :{{Rebut}}They can't control their connections, so you'll just have to deal with it. | ||
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{{Gripe}}There is'nt enough clothing to customize your online character, especially that you can't customize shoes. | {{Gripe}}There is'nt enough clothing to customize your online character, especially that you can't customize shoes. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Mutliplayer is about running around with your friends destroying Liberty City, not fashion statements on your character. | :{{Rebut}}Mutliplayer is about running around with your friends destroying Liberty City, not fashion statements on your character. | ||
::{{Gripe}}It DOES take away a sense of individuality when you and your friends' characters all look similar. There should be 12+ face, hair, shirt, pants, skin, (sun)glasses, and shoe options to have a decent number of permutations. | ::{{Gripe}}It DOES take away a sense of individuality when you and your friends' characters all look similar. There should be 12+ face, hair, shirt, pants, skin, (sun)glasses, and shoe options to have a decent number of permutations. | ||
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{{Gripe}}No offline multiplayer. | {{Gripe}}No offline multiplayer. Offline multiplayer free roaming is understandable (rendering two or more versions of the city would be too much) but playing the same way as San Andreas (two characters, have to both stay on screen) would be awesome. My friend has a 360, I got PS3, so online is useless for us. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Offline multiplayer would be fun, but in San Andreas it was not very popular at all. | :{{Rebut}}Offline multiplayer would be fun, but in San Andreas it was not very popular at all. All that could be done was running around in freeroam, no missions or other things, and there was no way to end multiplayer without one of the players dying. That is why the idea was dropped. Oh, and since you have an XBOX 360 and your friend has a PlayStation 3, why not just play online with others? | ||
::{{Gripe}}Still, split screen would be nice. | ::{{Gripe}}Still, split screen would be nice. | ||
:::{{Rebut}}Not really, unless you want to enjoy disgraceful load times or lags, its up to you. | :::{{Rebut}}Not really, unless you want to enjoy disgraceful load times or lags, its up to you. | ||
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{{Gripe}}All other players has the ability to Vote Kick other players, including the host. If one or more players strat spamming, was'nt R* supposed to suspend their accounts for attempting to kick other innocent members? I'm sure that R* is never aware of this problem, because they don't feel like it. | {{Gripe}}All other players has the ability to Vote Kick other players, including the host. If one or more players strat spamming, was'nt R* supposed to suspend their accounts for attempting to kick other innocent members? I'm sure that R* is never aware of this problem, because they don't feel like it. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Rockstar isn't lazy, why don't you try to make the highest rated video game in the world. | :{{Rebut}}Rockstar isn't lazy, why don't you try to make the highest rated video game in the world. Rockstar left this out due to that problems with clients can be reported to Microsoft or Sony. | ||
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{{Gripe}}[[Integrity 2.0]] does not appear in online multiplayer. | {{Gripe}}[[Integrity 2.0]] does not appear in online multiplayer. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Integrity isn't available until Algonquin is unlocked, and most players would want to start multiplayer sooner. | :{{Rebut}}Integrity isn't available until Algonquin is unlocked, and most players would want to start multiplayer sooner. So the surprise of a new radio station mid-game was left. | ||
::{{Gripe}}That degrades realism. Just because Integrity 2.0 is available in Algonquin, does'nt mean R* can just exclude them in Multiplayer. They did that on purpose, just to show everyone that they just simply don't care about realism. | ::{{Gripe}}That degrades realism. Just because Integrity 2.0 is available in Algonquin, does'nt mean R* can just exclude them in Multiplayer. They did that on purpose, just to show everyone that they just simply don't care about realism. | ||
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{{Gripe}}AutoAim needs to be balanced, e.g. adding about 20% for miss. | {{Gripe}}AutoAim needs to be balanced, e.g. adding about 20% for miss. | ||
:{{Rebut}}AutoAim is just fine. | :{{Rebut}}AutoAim is just fine. | ||
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{{Gripe}}There is'nt enough spoken dialogues to their custom characters. They should have been silent instead, as their taunts are repetitive and unfunny. | {{Gripe}}There is'nt enough spoken dialogues to their custom characters. They should have been silent instead, as their taunts are repetitive and unfunny. | ||
:{{Rebut}}That is just your opinion | :{{Rebut}}That is just your opinion | ||
::{{Gripe}}Then I suppose it is my opinion as well. Singleplayer and Multiplayer NPC easter eggs would be nice. | ::{{Gripe}}Then I suppose it is my opinion as well. Singleplayer and Multiplayer NPC easter eggs would be nice. | ||
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{{Gripe}}Dimitri's boat is accessible in online multiplayer, while not online, you can't gain access inside. | {{Gripe}}Dimitri's boat is accessible in online multiplayer, while not online, you can't gain access inside. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Not all areas that can be explore internally during missions in singleplayer can be accessed, so the same applies for multiplayer. | :{{Rebut}}Not all areas that can be explore internally during missions in singleplayer can be accessed, so the same applies for multiplayer. | ||
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{{Gripe}}R* does not have the ability to remove online player's accounts for cheating via reporting to Microsoft and Sony. | {{Gripe}}R* does not have the ability to remove online player's accounts for cheating via reporting to Microsoft and Sony. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Its Microsoft and Sony's decision to make, not Rockstar. | :{{Rebut}}Its Microsoft and Sony's decision to make, not Rockstar. Rockstar only made the game. | ||
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{{Gripe}}R* has yet to make any updates to improve online connections, online game modes and to add more character customization. | {{Gripe}}R* has yet to make any updates to improve online connections, online game modes and to add more character customization. | ||
:{{Rebut}}A patch has been released to fix some bug problems, but just wait. | :{{Rebut}}A patch has been released to fix some bug problems, but just wait. Rockstar will be releasing episodic content packs, and who knows what they have in store for us. | ||
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{{Gripe}}In '''Hangman's NOOSE''', the [[NOOSE]] team manages to survive even after multiple gunshots throughout the entire body, regardless of shooting at them at close range. | {{Gripe}}In '''Hangman's NOOSE''', the [[NOOSE]] team manages to survive even after multiple gunshots throughout the entire body, regardless of shooting at them at close range. | ||
:{{Rebut}}The [[NOOSE]] are wearing body armor so it's hard to kill them around the upper body. They'll be dead after you shoot them in the head. | :{{Rebut}}The [[NOOSE]] are wearing body armor so it's hard to kill them around the upper body. They'll be dead after you shoot them in the head. | ||
::{{Gripe}}OR just another worthless lag. Because even if I shoot them in the head, they still get back up and still shoot at me. That lag almost reminds me of Terminator robots, because even when you shot them in their heads, they'll just keep on running torwards you and then kill you, thanks to unwanted lags. Sheesh. | ::{{Gripe}}OR just another worthless lag. Because even if I shoot them in the head, they still get back up and still shoot at me. That lag almost reminds me of Terminator robots, because even when you shot them in their heads, they'll just keep on running torwards you and then kill you, thanks to unwanted lags. Sheesh. | ||
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{{Gripe}}Why use the [[Rocket Launcher]] in '''GTA Races'''? It is an unfair weapon and a player holding it will have the ability to blow them up to bits, rendering the race unfair and irritating, because all other players has to kick a player out of the race for unfair cheating. | {{Gripe}}Why use the [[Rocket Launcher]] in '''GTA Races'''? It is an unfair weapon and a player holding it will have the ability to blow them up to bits, rendering the race unfair and irritating, because all other players has to kick a player out of the race for unfair cheating. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Try dodging out of the way or get close to them. By getting close, if they shoot, their car as well as yours will blow up. So just get close to them. If they have common sense, they won't use the RPG. | :{{Rebut}}Try dodging out of the way or get close to them. By getting close, if they shoot, their car as well as yours will blow up. So just get close to them. If they have common sense, they won't use the RPG. | ||
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:::{{Rebut}}When playing GTA online, expect the unexpected and win at any cost. Besides, if your opponent is using a rocket launcher or other weapons, so can you. | :::{{Rebut}}When playing GTA online, expect the unexpected and win at any cost. Besides, if your opponent is using a rocket launcher or other weapons, so can you. | ||
::::{{Gripe}}Then that makes me (or another player with the RPG) a complete total noob and a loser. | ::::{{Gripe}}Then that makes me (or another player with the RPG) a complete total noob and a loser. | ||
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{{Gripe}}There are no random pedestrians throughout the cities, as they all look the same and dissapear for other pedestrians, if days change. | {{Gripe}}There are no random pedestrians throughout the cities, as they all look the same and dissapear for other pedestrians, if days change. | ||
:{{Rebut}}Do the pedestrians in multiplayer really matter? | :{{Rebut}}Do the pedestrians in multiplayer really matter? As said about the gang wars gripe, multiplayer was made so you could play with your friends online, not to interact with NPC's | ||
::{{Gripe}}By "interacting with friends online", I think you mean "ensue a gunfight with friends for no reason jus tto humiliate them"; which seems 5x redundant. I want to make the target reticult lock-on to an NPC peds and shoot at him/her. But I guess R* just did'nt want to add it. Just another degraded gameplay (and I don't mean realism). | ::{{Gripe}}By "interacting with friends online", I think you mean "ensue a gunfight with friends for no reason jus tto humiliate them"; which seems 5x redundant. I want to make the target reticult lock-on to an NPC peds and shoot at him/her. But I guess R* just did'nt want to add it. Just another degraded gameplay (and I don't mean realism). | ||
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{{Gripe}}No gangs are ever seen driving, standing or walking around in '''Free Mode''', thus making free roam bad and unrealistic | {{Gripe}}No gangs are ever seen driving, standing or walking around in '''Free Mode''', thus making free roam bad and unrealistic | ||
:{{Rebut}}You have those "gangster wannabes" online don't you? | :{{Rebut}}You have those "gangster wannabes" online don't you? | ||
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:::{{Rebut}}Multiplayer was made so you could play with your friends online, not to engage in gunfights with NPC's | :::{{Rebut}}Multiplayer was made so you could play with your friends online, not to engage in gunfights with NPC's | ||
::::{{Gripe}}*sarcasm* Yeah, right. Like I want to have fun with friends online ESPECIALLY since they simply want to try and piss me off by ramming their bullets through my brain and not leave me alone. Gangs would be cool for ''Free Mode'' (because I enjoy engaging in gunfights with them), because I am sick and tired of having players go on a shooting spree all over me for no reason. | ::::{{Gripe}}*sarcasm* Yeah, right. Like I want to have fun with friends online ESPECIALLY since they simply want to try and piss me off by ramming their bullets through my brain and not leave me alone. Gangs would be cool for ''Free Mode'' (because I enjoy engaging in gunfights with them), because I am sick and tired of having players go on a shooting spree all over me for no reason. | ||
::::{{Rebut}}But why can't we engage in gunfights with NPC's online with our friends? It would be massively fun. | |||
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{{Gripe}}You don't get to create your own street racing activity by adding checkpoints and copy them to '''GTA Races''' and '''Races'''. Street racing doesn't get the point in '''Free Mode'''. | {{Gripe}}You don't get to create your own street racing activity by adding checkpoints and copy them to '''GTA Races''' and '''Races'''. Street racing doesn't get the point in '''Free Mode'''. | ||
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{{Gripe}}A lot of the stuff you can do in single player you can't do in multiplayer. (i.e. bowling, playing pool, eating, getting drunk, strip clubs, etc.) It would be pretty fun to do all these things with your friends in multiplayer but they took them out of multiplayer for some reason. Why? | {{Gripe}}A lot of the stuff you can do in single player you can't do in multiplayer. (i.e. bowling, playing pool, eating, getting drunk, strip clubs, etc.) It would be pretty fun to do all these things with your friends in multiplayer but they took them out of multiplayer for some reason. Why? | ||
:{{Rebut}}Probably because it would take too much time to add all that stuff in, plus the map would be slightly bigger to accommodate the rooms and stuff. | :{{Rebut}}Probably because it would take too much time to add all that stuff in, plus the map would be slightly bigger to accommodate the rooms and stuff. | ||
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{{Gripe}}Everybody's an asshole. I play Free Mode to have fun, but every fucker kills me all the fucking time. I unplugged my 360, put GTA IV in the trash can and almost put my foot into my brothers face. | {{Gripe}}Everybody's an asshole. I play Free Mode to have fun, but every fucker kills me all the fucking time. I unplugged my 360, put GTA IV in the trash can and almost put my foot into my brothers face. | ||
:{{Gripe}}I concur. Free Mode is not entirely free if other players are unable to simply BE free. I used to love hopping onto Free Mode and going on extended sieges with the LCPD, but everybody else just seems to want to put a bullet through my brain and not leave me alone. The problem is compounded without the ability (on the PS3 version) for a lack of advanced server searching, so I can find a server with Police on and Friendly Fire disabled. | :{{Gripe}}I concur. Free Mode is not entirely free if other players are unable to simply BE free. I used to love hopping onto Free Mode and going on extended sieges with the LCPD, but everybody else just seems to want to put a bullet through my brain and not leave me alone. The problem is compounded without the ability (on the PS3 version) for a lack of advanced server searching, so I can find a server with Police on and Friendly Fire disabled. | ||
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:::{{Gripe}}Doesn't help at all, because you get rocket launched in the ass of your car and get hit by cars. | :::{{Gripe}}Doesn't help at all, because you get rocket launched in the ass of your car and get hit by cars. | ||
::::{{Rebut}}Then make all of your slots private so no one else can join. | ::::{{Rebut}}Then make all of your slots private so no one else can join. | ||
:::::{{Gripe}}Or how about this. All '''Free Mode''' games should disable Friendly Fire and enable Police. This way, everyone can have fun, instead of shooting at every players' heads for no apparent reason. | :::::{{Gripe}}Or how about this. All '''Free Mode''' games should disable Friendly Fire and enable Police. This way, everyone can have fun, instead of shooting at every players' heads for no apparent reason. | ||
::::::{{Rebut}}How about asking for a new multiplayer game mode with your ideas in it instead of bashing a very nice existing one. I can see how one can become a little feuded by those ignorant spawn killers, but as long as you find a nice game with well rounded people you should be alright. Now here is my proposal; Make more options for the host, mainly for allowed weapons (specifically). However, car killings would still be inevitable, but they are harder to execute. Keep Free Mode, but add more host options. Asking to have the entire mode changed to fit your individual needs is a little bit much. | ::::::{{Rebut}}How about asking for a new multiplayer game mode with your ideas in it instead of bashing a very nice existing one. I can see how one can become a little feuded by those ignorant spawn killers, but as long as you find a nice game with well rounded people you should be alright. Now here is my proposal; Make more options for the host, mainly for allowed weapons (specifically). However, car killings would still be inevitable, but they are harder to execute. Keep Free Mode, but add more host options. Asking to have the entire mode changed to fit your individual needs is a little bit much. | ||
::::::{{Rebut}} There is now an option to fix that. Go into your phone, go to the multiplayer menu, and then go to the "Preferences" menu, found between "Player Model" and "Tutorial." from there you can set Auto-Aim, Police, and Friendly Fire on or off. Or set it to "don't care" to find more games, although it is random if those settings will be on or not in the game you join. See the multiplayer section for more on this. | ::::::{{Rebut}} There is now an option to fix that. Go into your phone, go to the multiplayer menu, and then go to the "Preferences" menu, found between "Player Model" and "Tutorial." from there you can set Auto-Aim, Police, and Friendly Fire on or off. Or set it to "don't care" to find more games, although it is random if those settings will be on or not in the game you join. See the multiplayer section for more on this. | ||
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{{Gripe}} Sometimes I wish I could target NPCs in Free Mode like you can target other players just to liven up the combat. However, this would obviously be an annoyance if you're trying to kill other players. | {{Gripe}} Sometimes I wish I could target NPCs in Free Mode like you can target other players just to liven up the combat. However, this would obviously be an annoyance if you're trying to kill other players. | ||
:{{Gripe}} A targeting system that favors the other players over the peds would be nice, but even that would be hard to keep from being sticky in the end. | :{{Gripe}} A targeting system that favors the other players over the peds would be nice, but even that would be hard to keep from being sticky in the end. | ||
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{{Gripe}} More should have been done to prevent the races just becoming a 'one crash and you're out' smashfest. There is always a huge pileup on the first or second corner and then you might as well (and most do) quit out as it's pointless continuing as whoever was lucky enough (and it is luck) to survive that will now be unopposed for the rest of the race. | {{Gripe}} More should have been done to prevent the races just becoming a 'one crash and you're out' smashfest. There is always a huge pileup on the first or second corner and then you might as well (and most do) quit out as it's pointless continuing as whoever was lucky enough (and it is luck) to survive that will now be unopposed for the rest of the race. | ||
:{{Rebut}}I have that problem also in GTA. I do races a lot as well. I have good strategy. If you're in the front, try to stay up front because there will be no cars ahead of you to crash into. If you're in the back and the Big One happens, just do the classic NASCAR strategy, driving straight for the wreck. It's most likely those cars won't be in that specific spot they crashed in, so driving to the original spot where they crashed would be a good idea. | :{{Rebut}}I have that problem also in GTA. I do races a lot as well. I have good strategy. If you're in the front, try to stay up front because there will be no cars ahead of you to crash into. If you're in the back and the Big One happens, just do the classic NASCAR strategy, driving straight for the wreck. It's most likely those cars won't be in that specific spot they crashed in, so driving to the original spot where they crashed would be a good idea. | ||
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:{{Gripe}}ESPECIALLY since the [[Faggio]] is one of the worthless vehicles ever to be driven in multiplayer. Why can't R* ever make all vehicles spawn in Multiplayer? | :{{Gripe}}ESPECIALLY since the [[Faggio]] is one of the worthless vehicles ever to be driven in multiplayer. Why can't R* ever make all vehicles spawn in Multiplayer? | ||
::{{Rebut}}Rockstar had to make some sacrifices to get 16 players online and have the experience lag-free, especially if the game variant takes place over the entire Liberty City map. | ::{{Rebut}}Rockstar had to make some sacrifices to get 16 players online and have the experience lag-free, especially if the game variant takes place over the entire Liberty City map. | ||
:::{{Gripe}}Then R* should consider sacrificing the crappy, girly Faggio and replace it with a fast, sleek and awesome Comet instead. | :::{{Gripe}}Then R* should consider sacrificing the crappy, girly Faggio and replace it with a fast, sleek and awesome Comet instead. | ||
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{{Gripe}}Rockstar Games featured a cheap and unreliable way to get back to racing in '''GTA Races'''. They always give you a crappy [[Faggio]] (a really slow scooter) in order to "catch up" with other players. I find this retarded, because I wish Rockstar would give us a better and faster vehicle to catch up with other players, but nooo. They have to be cheap. | {{Gripe}}Rockstar Games featured a cheap and unreliable way to get back to racing in '''GTA Races'''. They always give you a crappy [[Faggio]] (a really slow scooter) in order to "catch up" with other players. I find this retarded, because I wish Rockstar would give us a better and faster vehicle to catch up with other players, but nooo. They have to be cheap. | ||