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::If you read the role of a [[Moderator]] more carefully, you'll notice that blocking users is not part of the responsibility. The extra tools that you do get are inconsequential, they just help you to help the wiki quicker and easier, which IS a moderator's responsibility. Also, you seem to focus on warning users, including those that possibly made a mistake - how would you help them find out what they did wrong, and learn how to do it properly, without having to resort to negative tactics such as warnings? | ::If you read the role of a [[Moderator]] more carefully, you'll notice that blocking users is not part of the responsibility. The extra tools that you do get are inconsequential, they just help you to help the wiki quicker and easier, which IS a moderator's responsibility. Also, you seem to focus on warning users, including those that possibly made a mistake - how would you help them find out what they did wrong, and learn how to do it properly, without having to resort to negative tactics such as warnings? | ||
:::I know blocking isn't part of a moderator's responsibilities/abilities, I was talking about vandalism in the abstract, and how I'd deal with such situations ''if'' I was in that position (having been an admin elsewhere, it's hard not to think in that mode, even though I obviously wouldn't have those tools at my disposal). And yes, I do focus on warning users, because blanking a page is a pretty monumental mistake and if someone did it and genuinely didn't mean to, (And I've never actually seen a mistake like that made) they need something to wake them out of their daze. I'd point them to the Wikia tutorial, for a start. Is that a little too harsh? I don't think so, but you're welcome to disagree. Lastly, I don't understand your point about 'negative tactics'. I think we can all agree that vandalism is destructive and to be avoided, with that fact in mind, some sort of disciplinary action (a warning or a block) must be taken against the vandal so the destructive behaviour will cease. It's inevitable that disciplinary action is at least somewhat negative in tone, because it has to be. Commending people for doing wrong will just encourage them to keep doing so. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 14:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | :::I know blocking isn't part of a moderator's responsibilities/abilities, I was talking about vandalism in the abstract, and how I'd deal with such situations ''if'' I was in that position (having been an admin elsewhere, it's hard not to think in that mode, even though I obviously wouldn't have those tools at my disposal). And yes, I do focus on warning users, because blanking a page is a pretty monumental mistake and if someone did it and genuinely didn't mean to, (And I've never actually seen a mistake like that made) they need something to wake them out of their daze. I'd point them to the Wikia tutorial, for a start. Is that a little too harsh? I don't think so, but you're welcome to disagree. Lastly, I don't understand your point about 'negative tactics'. I think we can all agree that vandalism is destructive and to be avoided, with that fact in mind, some sort of disciplinary action (a warning or a block) must be taken against the vandal so the destructive behaviour will cease. It's inevitable that disciplinary action is at least somewhat negative in tone, because it has to be. Commending people for doing wrong will just encourage them to keep doing so. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 14:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
::You know I wasn't suggesting 'commending' people for vandalism. All I'm saying is that if someone does something bad that isnt obvious deliberate malicious vandalism (eg random swearing/insults in an article), such as blanking a page, remove some markup (it looks silly/useless to them!); then you can't instantly jump to their talk page, tell them off, give them a warning, or block them or whatever. You have to assume good faith - unless you have reason to believe it was malicious, then it is possible that it's just a disoriented newbie, so you say something like "do you realise you removed a para from this page? just be more careful in future". or if they make a big change (like blanking a page and pasting the content in somewhere else (effectively moving the page) you ask them to discuss big changes like that before doing them. If we had a moderator that jumped down people's throats at everything, they wouldn't be very popular and they'd scare a lot of people off; if not upset them. I understand if you're a forum moderator or something (as am I), it can be very easy just to hit the delete button, lock a topic, and warn/suspend/ban a user, with no consequences. But here, this site IS the community, and we are ALL working together towards a common goal. All we do as staff is guide the project, and nudge people in the right direction. If you look at the [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 block log], you'll notice that we very rarely use that tool. About once a month each? Every other time we use various other methods to persuade people to contribute positively, and help those that are having trouble. Whilst the administrator role does deal with vandals and suspensions a lot, the primary role of EVERYONE on this wiki (myself included) is to the content, and helping more users write that content. I'm not suggesting you wont/cant do that, but it really needs to be your focus. I am still happy for you to be a moderator, but make sure you tone down on the banhammer, ok? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | ||