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::You know I wasn't suggesting 'commending' people for vandalism. All I'm saying is that if someone does something bad that isnt obvious deliberate malicious vandalism (eg random swearing/insults in an article), such as blanking a page, remove some markup (it looks silly/useless to them!); then you can't instantly jump to their talk page, tell them off, give them a warning, or block them or whatever. You have to assume good faith - unless you have reason to believe it was malicious, then it is possible that it's just a disoriented newbie, so you say something like "do you realise you removed a para from this page? just be more careful in future". or if they make a big change (like blanking a page and pasting the content in somewhere else (effectively moving the page) you ask them to discuss big changes like that before doing them. If we had a moderator that jumped down people's throats at everything, they wouldn't be very popular and they'd scare a lot of people off; if not upset them. I understand if you're a forum moderator or something (as am I), it can be very easy just to hit the delete button, lock a topic, and warn/suspend/ban a user, with no consequences. But here, this site IS the community, and we are ALL working together towards a common goal. All we do as staff is guide the project, and nudge people in the right direction. If you look at the [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 block log], you'll notice that we very rarely use that tool. About once a month each? Every other time we use various other methods to persuade people to contribute positively, and help those that are having trouble. Whilst the administrator role does deal with vandals and suspensions a lot, the primary role of EVERYONE on this wiki (myself included) is to the content, and helping more users write that content. I'm not suggesting you wont/cant do that, but it really needs to be your focus. I am still happy for you to be a moderator, but make sure you tone down on the banhammer, ok? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | ::You know I wasn't suggesting 'commending' people for vandalism. All I'm saying is that if someone does something bad that isnt obvious deliberate malicious vandalism (eg random swearing/insults in an article), such as blanking a page, remove some markup (it looks silly/useless to them!); then you can't instantly jump to their talk page, tell them off, give them a warning, or block them or whatever. You have to assume good faith - unless you have reason to believe it was malicious, then it is possible that it's just a disoriented newbie, so you say something like "do you realise you removed a para from this page? just be more careful in future". or if they make a big change (like blanking a page and pasting the content in somewhere else (effectively moving the page) you ask them to discuss big changes like that before doing them. If we had a moderator that jumped down people's throats at everything, they wouldn't be very popular and they'd scare a lot of people off; if not upset them. I understand if you're a forum moderator or something (as am I), it can be very easy just to hit the delete button, lock a topic, and warn/suspend/ban a user, with no consequences. But here, this site IS the community, and we are ALL working together towards a common goal. All we do as staff is guide the project, and nudge people in the right direction. If you look at the [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 block log], you'll notice that we very rarely use that tool. About once a month each? Every other time we use various other methods to persuade people to contribute positively, and help those that are having trouble. Whilst the administrator role does deal with vandals and suspensions a lot, the primary role of EVERYONE on this wiki (myself included) is to the content, and helping more users write that content. I'm not suggesting you wont/cant do that, but it really needs to be your focus. I am still happy for you to be a moderator, but make sure you tone down on the banhammer, ok? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 15:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::I get your point, but I think you misinterpreted what I said to mean that I'm impulsive, which is not true. Yes, I would warn a vandal outright, but only if I'd clearly established that their edit was vandalism. The example you provided, of blanking an entire page (not just a section) is quite drastic and I would have a talk with the user to find out if it was an accident if it was an isolated incident. If I see any objectionable edit (whether it's clearly malicious vandalism or not) I always check the user's other contributions to figure out what they're up to before I talk to them about it. To check if they are any other instances of vandalism, or to find out if they're acting on good intentions but just going about it the wrong way... Like in the example you provided, a user ''might'' conceivably blank a page to put the content somewhere else as an impromptu way of moving it. If that was the case, I'd pick up on it by checking their contributions and establish that it wasn't vandalism, just ignorance of how things are supposed to work. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 16:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | What do you think is the hardest thing for new editors to get the hang of (whether a technical skill, a policy or just the way we do things here); how would you spot they were having difficulty; and how would you help them? Maybe explain what was the hardest thing you've had to learn whilst being here? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 16:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | ||