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New Stuff

When Nico first sees Michelle's apartment he comments that the pillows on her couch still have tags on them. That's the first clue that something is up with her. - Romulusnr 05:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that means anything (nothing to do with working for the government anyway). I think that the joke there is that Michelle went out and bought all new stuff to impress Niko. Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 06:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


Another clue about Karen is that "Michelle" is inconsistent. Michelle's excuse for everything in her house being brand new is that she "likes things clean". However, she says later in the mission that she only recently moved to Liberty City, which would have been a better reason for all the new stuff. If anyone can understand what I'm trying to say, what do you think about adding the info? Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 10:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't see why it shouldn't be added; it's true and was a big tip-off to me the first time I played that she wasn't who she said she was. That Thing There 19:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
    • What makes you say Karen is inconsistent, maybe she is just a bad spy.
      • I agree with the comment directly above mine. I think she just had trouble keeping her story straight. Ghost Leader 00:59, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Re-Merge with Michelle

This is something that I've been meaning to bring up for a while now. GTA IV is two years old, most people who are going to play it already have. What do people think about adding this content into the Michelle (GTA IV) article, using a conventional spoiler warning, perhaps under a Plot header? We would use the Michelle title (rather than the Karen title), so that it's not an instant spoiler (it's your choice to read after the warning). Thoughts? Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 00:28, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I would say to merge it again. Their the same person just under different names. We should use the second name though. Do the same with Undercover Lover.--Gta-mysteries 00:33, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's been five years now since IV was released. I think a merge is long overdue. --Bluesboyjr (talk|edits) 13:01, 22 November 2013 (GMT)

I found Karen!

Ok, in the mission Late Checkout for Ray Boccino, while driving to the Majestic Hotel, I hit a Contender with a woman driving it. She looked exactly like Karen/Michelle (Same hairstyle, same color of jeans, and I could have sworn I saw that same coat). I attempted to kill her, but she got away. I also may have spotted her in the Superstar Cafe (again, she got away, I came there to start a massacre, not to try to look for her). Should we add that she may be spotted again? Kanzler31 00:38, August 24, 2010 (UTC)