Community:GTA IV Gripes/Police
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Cops manage to shoot your tires out, even if you're going 100mph.
- And they have multiple cops firing lots of bullets to shoot your tires down to stop you from running away.
Actually, I was chased by cops and one cop shot my tires out no matter how fast I am going. I think R* must've used an aimbot to stop you from running.
Somehow, an LCPD Cruiser can keep up with an Infernus that is easily twice as fast. And then they can't keep up with a slow municipal bus.
- They can keep up with an Infernus due to the sheer number of police cruisers. Aren't cops aren't meant to ram the person they are chasing unless under extreme circumstances?
But he also mentioned abou tthe Bus transport vehicle. I mean, how can cops be so sluggish to keep up with a slow moving bus vehicle? Really weird and bad realism.
After you complete the story, you can't call Francis to lose your wanted level at all.
Cops don't deploy spike strips, or utilize special pursuit vehicles for highspeed chases. Nor do they cordon off areas to trap the player.
- They block off the bridges, and send more helicopters after you.
- They do in fact deploy special pursuit vehicles. If you're getting chased by the Police Patrol, they will then send a Police Cruiser after you.
No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
Hey comment number 2 how do you know what it's like in real life? Have you got a little secret?
The radius is another thing that's irritating. I get in the chopper, and somehow, I can't evade the radius. It stays where it was. Crappy realism, I mean, you evaded the cops, but not the radius? Pathetic.
Even When your at the end of your Map, The radius Is Still Around You.No Choppers or Boats Around..
The thing that annoys me about the radius is that it punishes good driving rather than rewards it. If you drive fast through traffic without crashing and get well outside the radius, another cop car appears out of nowhere and you retain your wanted level. Driving slow or crashing near the edge of the radius usually results in losing the wanted level.
- Of course youll be punished for driving too smoothly as you would be more likely to run into more cops and it make sense, the system actually WANTS you to hide once you get out of the radius, not to drive like hell("Im here come and get me!!!" while complaining about cops chasing you). You should just STOP at the radius edge with your drift break if your skills are so great, instead of crashing there, or if your are so good at driving-- you should probably maintain in high speed while avioding respawned cops."I mean, you evaded the cops, but not the radius? Pathetic." no its not... its not the "radius" will kill you or bust you, its just a area where police will spawn more, that said, you ARE evadind the cops, does that makes no sense? if it isnt making sense for you well,Pathetic...
You can't evade or outrun your wanted level in a helicopter.
- It's rather difficult to run away when everybody in the city can see you flying 200 meters up in a helicopter. Don't you think?
- You can evade and outrun wanted levels when they are low (i.e. 1 or 2 stars) as not as many police are searching for you.
Cops somehow manage to stay alive even after multiple gunshots, and their weapons do more damage to the player. They seem to be bullet sponges, and still get up after a full magazine from an AK has been shot into them at medium range.
- Some of them have body armor. As members of a police force they would have superior weapons and training.
I don't think beat cops wear body armor, and their weapons are exactly the same as the ones the player can use.
Undercover police officers do not appear at 3 wanted star levels or higher.
- There never were undercover police officers. Those seen in casual clothes in previous GTA games were FBI agents.
Yes there were. There were casual clothed police clothes equipped with a sort of sub-machine gun in GTA VC and GTA VCS driving VCPD Cheetahs. Also, even if there were never undercover officers before, there's no reason why it couldn't be in "realistic" GTA IV.
Pay and Spray has become almost useless. When no cops are around, it's easier to just outrun them. When they are around, you can't spray.
- But there's more to a Pay 'n' Spray than losing Wanted Levels. They will change the paint of a car if you don't like it to the color you've driven most, and they will also repair damaged vehicles. It just doesn't make sense for a cop to be right on your tail when you enter a Pay 'n' Spray, only to ignore you when you drive out.
Even when the cops ignore you, your car does'nt get resprayed to clear wanted levels, so this heavily detracts realism as the cops prevents players from entering the Pay N Spray.
About the "Undercover Officers"- I know that was originally a joke about the show "Miami Vice". Keeping them around would have been cool. Although the VCPD Cheetah isn't in GTA IV, I think it could easily be replaced with the FIB Buffalo. As for the 80's style officers, I believe that a couple of badass "Jack Bauers" could easily take their place.(Yes, I know that there was no New York Vice, besides a crappy movie, but the idea is still valid.)
- Firstly, Jack Bauer is an FBI agent, not a cop. Second, the officers that appeared in VCPD Cheetahs were plainclothes officers, not undercover officers. There is a difference. Third, plainclothes officers going into dangerous situations like that is pretty unrealistic, and GTA IV strives for realism. When you have 3 stars, the police become very agressive, and in GTA IV, their retention of SWAT (NOOSE) arrives and attempts to kill you. It wouldn't make sense for there to be plainclothes officers at scenes like that because in real life, they're not equipped like that.
Those annoying pedestrians keep calling the cops whenever I do one small shove, making it harder to score a few bucks without those boys in blue knowing.
- It's the attempt at realism. If someone came up to you on the street, shoved you and said "Give me all your money", wouldn't you either run or punch them, before calling the cops?
Cops do not initiate a car chase to pursue other criminals, much like in GTA San Andreas, which heavily detracts realism.
- Actually cops do initiate car chases, just not as frequently. Not only can they do that, but they can also arrest unlawful pedestrians and put them in a nearby cop car. GTA IV is more realistic compared to San Andreas, by the way.
But I don't see other criminals driving and performing drive-bys to cops while being chased. All they do is peerform foot pursuit and catch a criminal only. This pulls realism away.
- Cops can stop criminals faster then you think they can, so you are less likely to see a car chase that started in Alderney end in Dukes.
- Statistically, only 1 in 10 of the people who run from the police are armed felons. The rest are just regular people who panic and/or don't want a ticket. So if you become a cop and get into a chase, the suspect will, most likely, not be armed and/or shooting at you.
- Random car chases happened a bit too frequently in GTA:SA, I think. Plus, quite often police would chase after and gun down unarmed civilians just because they tapped a police car (or, even more ridiculous, were pushed into a police car by another crash, meaning it wasn't even their fault). Scratch a police car's bumper > get shot in the face by its driver? Even an extremely corrupt police force couldn't get away with murdering unarmed minor offenders in broad daylight like that.
- Statistically, only 1 in 10 of the people who run from the police are armed felons. The rest are just regular people who panic and/or don't want a ticket. So if you become a cop and get into a chase, the suspect will, most likely, not be armed and/or shooting at you.
- Cops can stop criminals faster then you think they can, so you are less likely to see a car chase that started in Alderney end in Dukes.
Criminals no longer carjack vehicles.
Yeah. Completely rare. been in Tudor, stood there and watched. no criminals ever carjack vehicles. Lacks realism.
- What if you had an expensive car and some carjackers jacked you? That happened to me in GTA III and GTA Liberty City Stories a lot. It was very annoying.
Whatever happened to the "good citizen bonus" you got in GTA:VC? It was kinda cool.
You can't bribe the police to get your weapons back, like in GTA:VCS. Shouldn't that have been put in, it was in a PSP game, so it would be easy to put into a PS3 game
- Remember the Mayor's Crackdown on Firearms? This means all guns are repossessed and taken else where.
You can't earn a special reward right after you kill all criminals appear in the "Wanted List" in each different islands. This means no more earning extra armor protection.
Too bad you don't earn anything from your PS3 version. A lame effort by R*
You can't become a cop, and I don't mean steal the police uniform and impersonate one. I mean you can't call 555-RECRUIT and become an actual officer.
- Normal academy training takes a very long time, about 12 weeks average, and requires a lot out of applicants. Niko most likely doesn't have the time to undergo LCPD training. Besides, if you have several arrests, that would disqualify you at the start of your background check. Besides, I think Niko has his reservations about police, coming from eastern Europe, where most police agencies are corrupt.
There isn't any database about Niko Bellic in the in-car computer access.
- I think you and Niko both know he's a wanted man. Niko knows what he's done in his past, and I don't think he wants to be reminded of it. If you really want to find out Niko's crimes, you can just go on the in-game internet and go to the LCPD Most Wanted website.
There is no such website,the main lcpd website has no links to a most wanted site
- Yes there is. Search around the site on the in-game internet. There is a most wanted page.
- No there isn't. That is the police files on criminals in the game. It shows the status of criminals. If it was a Most Wanted Page, all of the people on it would not be "Deceased" and "In Custody."
- On the LCPD website, I believe that at the bottom of the page there will be a dark gray padlock-shaped icon that you can click. This will take you to the LCPD's criminal database, organized alphabetically by last name, where you can check up on most named NPCs in the game, including Niko Bellic. Each report has arrest records (however, Niko's does not update. This would be a pain for the programmers to include, and not enough people may know about it to make it worth it). Also, you should have gotten an email from Francis McReary about the criminal database. Assuming you didn't delete it (at what point he sends it, I forget, but I think it is after you kill Derrick, and you must kill Derrick to receive the email (obviously).
- No there isn't. That is the police files on criminals in the game. It shows the status of criminals. If it was a Most Wanted Page, all of the people on it would not be "Deceased" and "In Custody."
- Yes there is. Search around the site on the in-game internet. There is a most wanted page.
Shouldn't Alderney have it's own police department? It is technically "The Independent State of Alderney", so why does the LCPD service Alderney as well as Liberty City?
- Alderney is based off of New Jersey. Would you want be a cop in New Jersey? It's not even really a state. More like a ticking time bomb.
In real life, New Jersey has many police departments all over the state. NJ isn't in the NYPD's legal jurisdiction. What's the ticking time bomb about?
- I was hoping that joke would have lasted a little longer but anyway,R* claims that Aldereney is in the GTA IV area and is part of the story. Cops are the least of their plot hole worries.
- This is highly unlikely in real life, but the LCPD and/or its officers' union, if the LCPD has one, may have a contract with the State of Aldereney to extend the LCPD's legal jurisdiction into Aldereney.
- If you look closely, the Alderney cops' uniforms bear resemblance to those of the New Jersey State Police (light blue shirt with a black Sam Browne belt, navy trousers with a gold stripe on either side, and a white cap). Also, on their shoulders are yellow triangular patches, which, if you look closely, read "State Police" in blue letters, much like the NJSP's patch. In the many times I've gotten into trouble with the law in Alderney, they sometimes yell "State Police!" before opening fire. -bigpoppa9
- This is highly unlikely in real life, but the LCPD and/or its officers' union, if the LCPD has one, may have a contract with the State of Aldereney to extend the LCPD's legal jurisdiction into Aldereney.
- I was hoping that joke would have lasted a little longer but anyway,R* claims that Aldereney is in the GTA IV area and is part of the story. Cops are the least of their plot hole worries.
If hot dogs and chicken give us health, then why do we have hospitals with trained doctors, why not just drag the guy to a vender?
- You cannot give a dead man food. A person can eat food when the person is alive. If you were a doctor, would you drag a dead guy to a vending machine, and stuff a bag of chips in his mouth?
If you have 2 or more stars whilst outside your safehouse, cops will take whatever cars are in your parking space to chase after you in, causing them to disappear.
- It's called requisition, meaning cops will take your car to chase after a criminal. If you don't want the cops to steal your car so bad, DON'T DESTROY THEIRS!
- I gripe about GTA IV all the time but, I've never once encountered this.But think about it.The LCPD is a corrupt force of greedy cops. If Stealing your cars helps them get paid, they'd do it. It's a corrupt city and it besides, you could go find another.
- Ever see the movie "US Marshals"? They take a car in that movie when they're going after Mark Warren in New York City. Same thing in the first "Rush Hour" movie when Chris Tucker is going after Jackie Chan on a "borrowed" motorcycle. It's called requisition. They give the car back when they're done using it. They don't steal it or impound it. Even the LCPD wouldn't do that. See those movies before you say that the police steal cars.
- I gripe about GTA IV all the time but, I've never once encountered this.But think about it.The LCPD is a corrupt force of greedy cops. If Stealing your cars helps them get paid, they'd do it. It's a corrupt city and it besides, you could go find another.
It is stupid to see the cops knick a car. I wasn't even being chased and a cop hot wired a parked car that wasn't mine. He just hot wired the car and rode off. Bloody stupid.
How come that when you get arrested, you can't get your vehicle back, like in San Andreas?
If you run away from the cops they shoot at you, even if you don't have a gun. Killing people just because they freak out is illegal
- Actually, they hold their fire when you're at one star, unless you start assaulting them.
- Niko isn't just some criminal. The cops know who he is (I've heard them yelling his name and the like). This probably explains why he gets arrested for minor violations like bumping into a police car (which, if light, seems like something that would only be a ticket). Therefore, if he tries to resist arrest, the police are allowed to shoot at him. They don't really become extremely aggressive until 3 or 4 stars (though when you get up there they really want you dead, to the point where getting arrested is next to impossible).
Policemen sometimes shoot and kill security guards.
No, he purposely killed a guard for shooting me.
Do a Google search on 'armed security guard' to see what a common job it is before you go calling someone else up on ignorance.
Pointing a gun at a civilian near a police officer merits no response! I can't believe that he would just stand around like that.
But that's his job! Damn corrupt cops......
- Cops ignore lots of things, like moving violations (running red lights, speeding, driving in an oncoming traffic lane, the list goes on), trespassing, being in a stolen cop car (since they will give you the 1 star if you hit them, they clearly know you aren't a cop), etc. Those oversights aren't ignorance or mistakes, they are just there because it would really break the game if every time you ran a red light you got a 1-star wanted rating. For that matter, 1-star ratings are easy enough to get out of that it's really not a big deal to have one anyway.
Why is it that Niko can resist arrest on foot, but if he is pulled out of a car, he has to surrender? Why I can't I just shoot, and possibly kill, the cop trying to jack me to evade capture, at the expense of a 3-star wanted level, if I'm not already at or above said wanted level?
- Usually after a high speed chase, there are multiple officers surrounding your vehicle, and when pulled out of your car, you are basically thrown to the pavement if you try to fight, and the cuffs go on immediately, which means the fight's over. Cops win.
If what you're saying is true, then why don't the cops kill you when they see you getting up off your knees after they hold you up at gunpoint when your on foot?
You cannot perform a hand-to-hand combat against an officer. Niko is forced to raise his hands up at gunpoint, thus halting the combat engagement. Also, if you shoot an officer, you'd end up havin a 3-star wanted level and will have the cop cars swarm in on you.
- Seems realistic to me. If you start beating up an officer he will try to escape and he'll pull a gun on you. Also, if you try to kill a police officer in real life, don't you think police would be swarming in around you?
Police no longer throw down stinger strips.
- Cops try to shoot your tires out instead. It is impractical for LCPD to lay down spike strips because the roadways of Liberty City, much like its real-life analogue, are typically filled with too much slow-moving traffic.
Are you seriously suggesting that it's more practical to fire wildly at a fleeing vehicle and chance hitting innocents than it is to lay down a spike strip.
- First off, cops don't shoot their guns all willy-nilly like a dumb criminal. Cops hold their fire unless they can get a shot. Secondly, to shoot out tires, cops aim low at the car to disable it. Thirdly, half the time, spike strips fail to do their job because the criminal will attempt to evade the strip.
When cops arrest a criminal, they point the gun at him, 5seconds later the criminal will run away, trying to escape The cop doesn't do a thing, only chase it, at the same speed when Niko is running when pointing a gun-> SLOW.
- And other times, if a cop car is nearby, the criminal will be escorted to the car, and get in the back seat. I had a Police Stockade (obtained using cheats in the mission "Tunnel of Death") parked outside my Bohan safehouse, and when a cop arrested someone, the criminal climbed in the back seat of the truck (only to run away after I got in to drive).
There's no army. They were a fun addition, especially the tanks. WTF
- First off, there are no major army bases in or near New York City. Second, it would be very unrealistic for one man to go into an army base, kill all of the guards, and steal a tank. Also, the army wouldn't go after a single man.
Well, what if that one man was acting like or was a terrorist, huh? The army have to come.
- Actually, to be technical about it, the US Army is not allowed to take action upon US soil. Period. However, the US National Guard DOES have the ability to be deployed within the US. Although, mobilizing so many national guard troops is expensive and time consuming. And a tank would be pretty hard to get through gridlocked city streets, without alot of damage being done. So why not use the local SWAT (NOOSE) teams (who can be ready at nearly a moment's notice) who have pretty good firepower and training, and almost certainly cost less than mobilizing the National Guard? Sure, you may be a terrorist, but I am unsure they would send in the National Guard to take down one single terrorist. They send in SWAT teams to deal with bank robberies, hostage situations, etc. in real life, and with LC's apparent paranoia that almost everyone is a terrorist (especially a foreigner), why would the SWAT teams NOT be trained to handle terrorist situations. Also, at a certain point, the FBI comes after you, which is pretty big in itself as law enforcement. The Feds usually stay out of car chases/dangerous criminal situations unless they are needed.
I know GTA 4 was meant to be realistic, but it's a video game. It's not completely real. Besides, what if the army visited Liberty City and they brought a tank?
Run a red light, smash into other cars, cops don't care. But try to cross a toll bridge without paying and the TOLL BOOTH GUY HIMSELF pulls out a gun at starts shooting, and the cops appear too!
- For one, the guy in the toll booth is a cop. Secondly, no matter how unrealistic it may be, if you got a wanted level EVERY TIME you went 150 mph on the roads, or ran a red light, or hit someone's car (other than a cop car), then the game would be little fun because the cops would CONSTANTLY be after you. And the costs to the game engine would be pretty harsh, too. However, going straight through a tollbooth without paying is certainly going to attract attention, and it is alot harder to accidentally speed through a traffic light or hit a civilian car than it is to smash through the gate of a tollbooth without paying. Granted, the system should be fixed so that if you already paid the toll, and THEN go through the gate before it has been lifted, you shouldn't get the wanted level for it. Also, simple solution: drive a cop car/ambulance/fire truck/FIB Buffalo/other emergency vehicle through the toll booth. You need not pay, and if you smash right through at full speed, they don't care. Even if you kill all of the passengers in the lined up cars when you hit them.
I didnt know if this would go under the vehicles gripe or this one, and its only a minor nitpick, but you cant turn on the police cars spotlight. It would be helpful to see in the fog or in a police chase at night.