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I will usually reply to any posts on your own talk page so that you get an email. You may reply back here, or over there, I will get emails either way. However to start a new discussion, you MUST come back to me. (I will however reply here to messages by [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]]). | |||
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==Karen vs. Michelle== | ==Karen vs. Michelle== | ||
:Hey, thanks for expanding the [[Michelle (IV)|Michelle]] article! I've been hoping someone else would come along and add some info, since as you mentioned, I am totally clueless when it comes to [[GTA IV]]! BTW, I appreciate you adding your comments to the Karen [[Talk:Karen|discussion page]]. It's great when we can all come to an agreement. And I hope you don't think I was pointing out any ''mistakes'' you were making, as they weren't really mistakes per se. Normally, we ''would'' just redirect, but this is a special situation which I (and others) think warrants separate pages, since we don't want to spoil the storyline for anyone! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC) | Hello, and welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Your contributions are greatly appreciated, and I hope you intend to stay. Regarding the [[Karen]] and [[Michelle (IV)|Michelle]] articles, I have undone the edits you made. Because she is known as Michelle until her true identity is revealed, there should be two separate pages for each character, even though they are the same person. We have been [[Talk:Karen|discussing]] this at length. Please feel free to add to the discussion if you feel this is not the best solution. However, from the discussion, it seems the best way to represent something that may spoil plot details for someone who has just begun the game. '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 06:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Hey, thanks for expanding the [[Michelle (IV)|Michelle]] article! I've been hoping someone else would come along and add some info, since as you mentioned, I am totally clueless when it comes to [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]]! BTW, I appreciate you adding your comments to the Karen [[Talk:Karen|discussion page]]. It's great when we can all come to an agreement. And I hope you don't think I was pointing out any ''mistakes'' you were making, as they weren't really mistakes per se. Normally, we ''would'' just redirect, but this is a special situation which I (and others) think warrants separate pages, since we don't want to spoil the storyline for anyone! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hi there. I'm glad you're enjoying your time on Grand Theft Wiki - we have always approached the wiki from the point of view of a GTA gamer more than anything else, which is why we're a lot more community focused than the purely information-based Wikipedia. Our editors are gamers, rather than professional writers or English teachers. You are absolutely right by saying: ''"we all have the same idea of put the information on the page, then we can fix it up, something is better than nothing"'' - that is exactly how I feel about the wiki. | Hi there. I'm glad you're enjoying your time on Grand Theft Wiki - we have always approached the wiki from the point of view of a GTA gamer more than anything else, which is why we're a lot more community focused than the purely information-based Wikipedia. Our editors are gamers, rather than professional writers or English teachers. You are absolutely right by saying: ''"we all have the same idea of put the information on the page, then we can fix it up, something is better than nothing"'' - that is exactly how I feel about the wiki. | ||
Adding someone as your "Friend" on the wiki simply lists you as their Friend - nothing else. Friends show up on someones [[User profile:Eganio|social profile]] - which you can choose to use as your user page. It is mainly for your own benefit, so you know you have someone to talk to. I hope that makes it clearer - [[ | Adding someone as your "Friend" on the wiki simply lists you as their Friend - nothing else. Friends show up on someones [[User profile:Eganio|social profile]] - which you can choose to use as your user page. It is mainly for your own benefit, so you know you have someone to talk to. I hope that makes it clearer - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:33, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Hi there! I don't recall seeing any emails for friend requests...may have gotten filtered as spam, or maybe it's something I didn't check in my preferences! Either way, I now always go to the [[Main Page]] when I first log in, mainly out of habit. :-P '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | :Hi there! I don't recall seeing any emails for friend requests...may have gotten filtered as spam, or maybe it's something I didn't check in my preferences! Either way, I now always go to the [[Main Page]] when I first log in, mainly out of habit. :-P '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Re: Observation == | == Re: Observation == | ||
Heh, yeah, I try to help wherever I can, and you guessed it, anything pertaining to [[GTA IV]] that I have edited is due to gleaning information from other articles, editors, and discussions. Mainly, I try to help with formatting, [[Grand Theft Wiki:Consistency|consistency]], and other non-content issues that arise with articles on GTA IV topics. But any time I make a content edit, it's invariably because I heard it from someone else! See [[Talk:NOOSE Cruiser]], for example...I'm basically relying on folks with GTA IV knowledge, since I can't offer any of my own! :-P '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | Heh, yeah, I try to help wherever I can, and you guessed it, anything pertaining to [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] that I have edited is due to gleaning information from other articles, editors, and discussions. Mainly, I try to help with formatting, [[Grand Theft Wiki:Consistency|consistency]], and other non-content issues that arise with articles on GTA IV topics. But any time I make a content edit, it's invariably because I heard it from someone else! See [[Talk:NOOSE Cruiser]], for example...I'm basically relying on folks with GTA IV knowledge, since I can't offer any of my own! :-P '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Re: Work == | == Re: Work == | ||
Regarding potential areas where your expertise might be put to use: you can always check the pages that require [[:Category:Cleanup|cleanup]] and [[:Category:Expand|expansion]]. Also, since you seem to be an expert on [[GTA Vice City]], you may want to help create and expand mission articles for that game: see [[Missions in GTA Vice City]]. Try to tackle all the red links, and make sure to maintain [[Grand Theft Wiki:Consistency|consistency]], i.e. look at already established mission articles (blue links), and copy the template to create new articles for missions that do not yet have dedicated pages. Another thing you can do is create detailed walkthroughs for GTA VC missions...we've already started to do this with [[GTA San Andreas]] - see [[Key to Her Heart/Walkthrough|here]] for an example. When doing so, make sure to attach the walkthrough to the mission's main article, e.g. [[Messing with the Man/Walkthrough]]. [[User talk:Eganio|Let me know]] if you have any questions. :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | Regarding potential areas where your expertise might be put to use: you can always check the pages that require [[:Category:Cleanup|cleanup]] and [[:Category:Expand|expansion]]. Also, since you seem to be an expert on [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City|GTA Vice City]], you may want to help create and expand mission articles for that game: see [[Missions in GTA Vice City]]. Try to tackle all the red links, and make sure to maintain [[Grand Theft Wiki:Consistency|consistency]], i.e. look at already established mission articles (blue links), and copy the template to create new articles for missions that do not yet have dedicated pages. Another thing you can do is create detailed walkthroughs for GTA VC missions...we've already started to do this with [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]] - see [[Key to Her Heart/Walkthrough|here]] for an example. When doing so, make sure to attach the walkthrough to the mission's main article, e.g. [[Messing with the Man/Walkthrough]]. [[User talk:Eganio|Let me know]] if you have any questions. :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 09:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Just to expand on Eganio's first point - have a look at [[Grand Theft Wiki: Tasks]] for a list of things that need doing, and perhaps see if you can help with any of those? Thanks - [[ | :Just to expand on Eganio's first point - have a look at [[Grand Theft Wiki: Tasks]] for a list of things that need doing, and perhaps see if you can help with any of those? Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 12:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Hi there. LOL, I ''have'' been "following you around", so to speak. I always check the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] page so that I can see where people are leaving messages on talk pages, as many times folks ask questions that I can help with. But don't get discouraged on the expansion. Remember this: everything in the [[:Category:Expand|expansion category]] was ''put there'' by someone who noticed the article needed to be beefed up. However, I guarantee there are numerous articles out there that need expansion, but don't have the expand template attached. This is part of the fun of editing, really. I sincerely appreciate your efforts in going through that list, and encourage you to keep doing so (you alerted everyone to the fact that [[Wardrobe]] didn't require any more expansion, so that was very helpful). | Hi there. LOL, I ''have'' been "following you around", so to speak. I always check the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] page so that I can see where people are leaving messages on talk pages, as many times folks ask questions that I can help with. But don't get discouraged on the expansion. Remember this: everything in the [[:Category:Expand|expansion category]] was ''put there'' by someone who noticed the article needed to be beefed up. However, I guarantee there are numerous articles out there that need expansion, but don't have the expand template attached. This is part of the fun of editing, really. I sincerely appreciate your efforts in going through that list, and encourage you to keep doing so (you alerted everyone to the fact that [[Wardrobe]] didn't require any more expansion, so that was very helpful). | ||
My advice: use the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks|tasks]] article and the expansion and [[:Category:Cleanup|cleanup]] categories as the first places you visit. From there, if you feel you've exhausted your options, look around for other things to help with, such as [[Forums]], categorization, etc. There's ''always'' something to do! Here's what I did when I started on the wiki: I simply loooked around for things with which I was very familiar (in particular [[GTA San Andreas]] and its vehicles, locations, missions, etc.), and started editing where I saw deficiencies. There's most likely something that really piques your interest, so take the time to poke around, and I'm certain you'll find your ''niche'', so to speak. Don't hesitate to [[User talk:Eganio|contact me]] if you want to discuss this further. :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC) | My advice: use the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks|tasks]] article and the expansion and [[:Category:Cleanup|cleanup]] categories as the first places you visit. From there, if you feel you've exhausted your options, look around for other things to help with, such as [[Forums]], categorization, etc. There's ''always'' something to do! Here's what I did when I started on the wiki: I simply loooked around for things with which I was very familiar (in particular [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]] and its vehicles, locations, missions, etc.), and started editing where I saw deficiencies. There's most likely something that really piques your interest, so take the time to poke around, and I'm certain you'll find your ''niche'', so to speak. Don't hesitate to [[User talk:Eganio|contact me]] if you want to discuss this further. :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Screenshots == | == Screenshots == | ||
Hello! I take my [[GTA San Andreas]] screenshots on the [[PC]] with the [[camera]], and they are automatically saved in a folder if I select the auto-save option. I don't know if [[GTA IV]] has the same option. If so, it's likely somewhere in the options menu, probably under settings. Also, you can use [http://www.fraps.com FRAPS], which allows you to capture screenshots without using any in-game assistance (e.g. the camera). But that's as fas as my knowledge goes, I'm afraid! | Hello! I take my [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]] screenshots on the [[PC]] with the [[camera]], and they are automatically saved in a folder if I select the auto-save option. I don't know if [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] has the same option. If so, it's likely somewhere in the options menu, probably under settings. Also, you can use [http://www.fraps.com FRAPS], which allows you to capture screenshots without using any in-game assistance (e.g. the camera). But that's as fas as my knowledge goes, I'm afraid! | ||
Another place to ask would be either the [[Forum:GTA|GTA Forum]] or the [[Forum:Help Desk|Help Desk]]. That way, people with GTA IV experience (unlike me) can answer your question, and hopefully better than I did! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC) | Another place to ask would be either the [[Forum:GTA|GTA Forum]] or the [[Forum:Help Desk|Help Desk]]. That way, people with GTA IV experience (unlike me) can answer your question, and hopefully better than I did! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 07:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Well, I ''do'' know that the [[PS3]] has USB ports, so I'm assuming there is a way to transfer data to a computer from the console...don't know about [[Xbox 360]], but I assume it has a similar function. But I would ask in the [[Forum:GTA|GTA Forum]] for a more specific answer. '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC) | :Well, I ''do'' know that the [[PlayStation 3|PS3]] has USB ports, so I'm assuming there is a way to transfer data to a computer from the console...don't know about [[Xbox 360]], but I assume it has a similar function. But I would ask in the [[Forum:GTA|GTA Forum]] for a more specific answer. '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 08:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Welcome Back! == | == Welcome Back! == | ||
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== RE: Mission == | == RE: Mission == | ||
Heh, I think I'm the one who moved the mission article to [[A Dish Best Served Cold]]...I thought the "Best" was missing! I guess I should leave the [[GTA IV]] stuff to the folks who know what they're talking about! :-D I'll change it back tout suite. Thanks for pointing that out! '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 22:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | Heh, I think I'm the one who moved the mission article to [[A Dish Served Cold|A Dish Best Served Cold]]...I thought the "Best" was missing! I guess I should leave the [[Grand Theft Auto IV|GTA IV]] stuff to the folks who know what they're talking about! :-D I'll change it back tout suite. Thanks for pointing that out! '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 22:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
== RE: Website Names == | == RE: Website Names == | ||
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== RE: User:PROFESSERGARFIELD == | == RE: User:PROFESSERGARFIELD == | ||
Hi. No, you did not cross the line. Concern over the possibly dubious activities of other editors is by no means a transgression. If I were to offer you any advice, it would be to simply alert one of the [[administrators]] to the possible [[Grand Theft Wiki:Vandalism|vandalism]] (in this case). If someone truly is a vandal, then asking them to stop most likely will not do any good. On the other hand, if they are not, they may take offense to the suggestion. So it's really best just "passed along", as it were. There's absolutely nothing wrong with expressing concern to the user in question, but you should also alert an administrator if doing so. Thanks for keeping your eye on things, though. It is greatly appreciated! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC) | Hi. No, you did not cross the line. Concern over the possibly dubious activities of other editors is by no means a transgression. If I were to offer you any advice, it would be to simply alert one of the [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff|administrators]] to the possible [[Grand Theft Wiki:Vandalism|vandalism]] (in this case). If someone truly is a vandal, then asking them to stop most likely will not do any good. On the other hand, if they are not, they may take offense to the suggestion. So it's really best just "passed along", as it were. There's absolutely nothing wrong with expressing concern to the user in question, but you should also alert an administrator if doing so. Thanks for keeping your eye on things, though. It is greatly appreciated! :-) '''[[User:Eganio|Eganio]]<sup>''[[User talk:Eganio|Talk]]''</sup>''' 00:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
== RE: Non-Wiki Related Question == | == RE: Non-Wiki Related Question == | ||
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== Promotion == | == Promotion == | ||
[[Image:Corporal.png|right|110px]]Hi Biggest gta fan ever! In recognition of your wiki-editing skills and help in the community, you have been promoted to [[Administrator]] on Grand Theft Wiki. This is a probationary promotion, so I'll review your work in a few weeks, and if you're doing a good job we'll keep you on the team permanently. | [[Image:Corporal.png|right|110px]]Hi Biggest gta fan ever! In recognition of your wiki-editing skills and help in the community, you have been promoted to [[Grand Theft Wiki:Staff|Administrator]] on Grand Theft Wiki. This is a probationary promotion, so I'll review your work in a few weeks, and if you're doing a good job we'll keep you on the team permanently. | ||
I stress that you are now a leader of the community, and you should lead by example - you're still a normal editor of the wiki, but with a few extra tools to help people and fix problems, but only use your powers to intervene when necessary. | I stress that you are now a leader of the community, and you should lead by example - you're still a normal editor of the wiki, but with a few extra tools to help people and fix problems, but only use your powers to intervene when necessary. | ||
I suggest you have a look at the bottom of [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks]] to see what Staff should be doing, and keen your eye on [[SN]]. If you have any questions - please let me know and I'll be happy to help. I look forward to working with you. [[ | I suggest you have a look at the bottom of [[Grand Theft Wiki:Tasks]] to see what Staff should be doing, and keen your eye on [[Grand Theft Wiki talk:Staff Noticeboard|SN]]. If you have any questions - please let me know and I'll be happy to help. I look forward to working with you. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Hehe, fair enough. Thats the reason I wanted you as admin, because you just want to help this wiki, and I reckon you can. Let me just say one thing - the last thing you should do is over-administrate, so don't (for example) delete a page that doesn't need deleting. You can impress me equally well by helping other users, going through [[:Category:Cleanup|Cleanup]]/[[:Category:Delete|Delete]] etc, updating important pages etc. Don't worry about trying too hard, just enjoy yourself. [[ | :Hehe, fair enough. Thats the reason I wanted you as admin, because you just want to help this wiki, and I reckon you can. Let me just say one thing - the last thing you should do is over-administrate, so don't (for example) delete a page that doesn't need deleting. You can impress me equally well by helping other users, going through [[:Category:Cleanup|Cleanup]]/[[:Category:Delete|Delete]] etc, updating important pages etc. Don't worry about trying too hard, just enjoy yourself. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 09:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
The infinite protection on [[Michelle (IV)]] is just no date set. That doesn't mean I want it to be protected forever. However, since GTA IV is still a new game, a lot of people still won't know that spoiler. And with the [[PC]] version coming out soon, a lot of new people will get it and won't want to know that spoiler. We could leave it protected for another few months, and then only staff are able to edit that page (anyone that wants to add anything should mention it on the talk page). However if you think we can trust our members enough, then feel free to unprotect it. Your choice :) [[ | The infinite protection on [[Michelle (GTA IV)|Michelle (IV)]] is just no date set. That doesn't mean I want it to be protected forever. However, since GTA IV is still a new game, a lot of people still won't know that spoiler. And with the [[Personal Computer|PC]] version coming out soon, a lot of new people will get it and won't want to know that spoiler. We could leave it protected for another few months, and then only staff are able to edit that page (anyone that wants to add anything should mention it on the talk page). However if you think we can trust our members enough, then feel free to unprotect it. Your choice :) [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Hey. [[User talk:Stefan Bozorovic|here]] you suggested making an empty header to give users the idea of filling in the section. Whilst that would probably work for some pages, I don't like the idea of having empty sections all over the site. That would make the entire wiki look incomplete. I appreciate the effort towards standardising all pages, but its a little bit more complicated than pasting in a template. Thanks - [[ | Hey. [[User talk:Stefan Bozorovic|here]] you suggested making an empty header to give users the idea of filling in the section. Whilst that would probably work for some pages, I don't like the idea of having empty sections all over the site. That would make the entire wiki look incomplete. I appreciate the effort towards standardising all pages, but its a little bit more complicated than pasting in a template. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
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What was the reason for this block? Was it for [http:// | What was the reason for this block? Was it for [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=GTA_IV_Gripes/Header&diff=64566&oldid=64553 Planes] or the [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=GTA_IV_Gripes%2FHeader&diff=64883&oldid=64759 gripes]? I don't think either of those are 'spamming' or require us to block that person from editing this wiki. Or was it because he edited the header instead of the gripe pages? If so, you should talk to him rather than block him without explaining why. Or have I missed something? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 18:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
EDIT - I've read a bit more detail, and I see some silly gripes such as "What crawled up your ass and died?", and his comment that "it just sent me here". Also, I notice you spoke to him, but then proceeded to block him afterwards anyway? Could you explain this please, and explain why it required a block? Either way, you need to be much clearer what exactly you are blocking someone for. Thanks - [[ | EDIT - I've read a bit more detail, and I see some silly gripes such as "What crawled up your ass and died?", and his comment that "it just sent me here". Also, I notice you spoke to him, but then proceeded to block him afterwards anyway? Could you explain this please, and explain why it required a block? Either way, you need to be much clearer what exactly you are blocking someone for. Thanks - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
:After HuandLee edited the header page the first time, with the comment :it just sent me here", I spoke to the user about editing the header instead of fixing the link that was sending them to the wrong place. At this stage, I knew that there was no need for a block. It's AFTER I spoke to the user that they went back to the page and filled it with nonsense. That must have been on purpose that time as all the gripes and rebutes happened in one edit, and at the end the user said, "Remember, too much abuse and this page is gone". Then, the next edit removed the text from the page, which looked like an attempt to hide it. To back this up, the text never appeared on any other page, so it can't have been a legitimate gripe accidentally added to the wrong page. So my reason for the block is basically doing something after being told not to do it. I didn't speak with him and then "block him anyway", the block wasn't effective until after repeated spamming and which took place after being warned. Is this not a reason for a block? If not, sorry, it was my first block without consulting you. '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
Okay I understand a bit better now. However, "spamming" is more about filling pages with nonsense, gibberish, links to websites etc - stuff that is of absolute zero value to the Wiki. Adding content in the wrong place is usually an accident - a misguided attempt at adding content. Doing it again after being told is unfortunate - but perhaps he didn't read your message, or didn't understand it - so I wouldn't punish at this stage, never mind block. At this point I would protect the page that was being defaced, and issue a stern final warning to that user, explaining exactly what was wrong, and exactly how to avoid doing it again. If it happened again, it would show a deliberate attempt to do the opposite of what you instructed, and that could be worth a small suspension.<br />The fake gripes, the taking-the-piss text in there, and the removal of content complicates things slightly. He had already said that the gripes would be added, since I explained that if the cheat codes page stayed empty, there would be no point in keeping it. Perhaps we need to be clearer about what we allow. I think at this point he was frustrated, and perhaps on the defensive (after a conflict with me), which probably explains the piss-take text and the fact that he did it on the wrong page. This still doesn't warrant banning him from the site. Removing the text might have been because he realised it was wrong? Surely thats a good thing...<br />I appreciate the effort, but I think you jumped to using the "block" option too early - remember it really is a last resort. Protecting the page for 3 days would have done the same thing, without causing the upset a full suspension has done. Protection is a protective measure, as opposed to a punishment. Blocks are also meant to be protective and defensive, but users can very easily interpret it as an attack and a punishment, so you really have to be sure, and communication has to be spot-on. No hard feelings from my end, and I hope things are clearer to you now. Let me know if you have any questions - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 04:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I was actually editing this page again when I got the email saying that you did. Ever since HuangLee got to the wiki, I have felt sympathy for him. I don't know why he had to wait a year to join (unless he was already IP blocked) but when he did join, he had me come to him twice correcting something he did, then he had what he thought was a great idea which he then misinterprated our posts, to think that we hated the idea. I saw on [[Talk:Mike Toreno]] that he thinks that no one takes him seriously. Then he got blocked, and he says he's never coming back. (this is where I was up to when I got your message) I was going to mention (in this edit) that he possibly did it out of frustration, and that yes, he may have done removed the text for a good reason. Thanks for the advice. '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 04:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
Since you appear to agree, I have removed the block on this user, and replaced the sanction with a formal Final Warning. This is part of the continuous reviewing of admin actions, and the open discussion is vital to Grand Theft Wiki's values of transparency and honesty. You say you felt sorry for this user, so perhaps you should have shown more compassion and helpfulness than a by-the-book blocking. Feel free to use different tactics for different situations, you don't have to treat everyone identically. For example, in a situation where a user has had a couple of misunderstandings/accidents, and is growing increasingly frustrated, a block or punishment is likely to aggravate them and cause further trouble; so you should consider discussion and warnings rather than finite sanctions. But if it was a deliberate attempt to break the rules, then a block would be appropriate. I hope that makes sense. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 06:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Every time I'm editing you interrupt. Lucky I always have my email open so that I see the edit and don't overwrite it. I just realized that I did the last thing that I ever said I would do as admin. HuangLee says that GTW is an Island, that we make it look so great but three days later you realize that it's not. He then said that he's not coming back. I never got blocked from Wikipedia, but I did tell myself that I would never edit again (which several months later I haven't) for feeling unaccepted (like HuangLee now). I just went against what I say about GTW being much more friendly. But I've learnt for the future to have a much slower ''walk'' towards blockage. To make it worst, he had a conflict with every (active) admin (you about the cheat code gripes, A-Dust about [[Mike Toreno]] and me many but mainly this one). Oh, and I'm on my way over to your talk page on an unrelated topic. '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]<sup>''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''</sup>''' 06:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Unblocked == | |||
Please don't block me again.THIS I BEG YOU!!! PS. I can see you have a grudging respect for me. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== Thanks == | |||
Hey, BGTAFE. Thanks for the information on my edits! The first one on Mc chazz wasn't done by me, it was done by my baby brother. The one on Claude I did, an apologize for it. I'm half asleep playing IV at 4:40 AM :D. I'm sorry for any frestration I caused, I don't want to get into huge fights with Admins. Reply please, --[[User:Krayhn|Krayhn]] 09:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC). | |||
:Thanks man! Thanks for the invite! I hope I didn't get on your nerves. I'm good at GTA IV too, I like to do runs using only certain weapons and getting some early. You wanna know a location for the Eagle early? I got 2, but the second one is a bit iffy. --[[User:Krayhn|Krayhn]] 09:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
::I just did. Thanks, I just did. Check out [[Desert Eagle]] for me, it's in the locations, called IV. | |||
:::Thanks for the wording . Thanks for the cleanup on that ;) | |||
::::Ah, thanks for the tip. BTW, I found a carbine (HK416) in the alley of Algonquin, in the southern part, I think. It's near the hospital with the large statue of a man in a small well. Infront of the hospital is a picture of a person, and in an alley nearby is a carbine drop. | |||
::::Ok, thanks. | |||
== Cheat Code Gripes == | |||
Biggest GTA Fan Ever,it has been "brought to my attention" that 88FanNASCAR was wrongfully editing GTA IV Gripes/Cheat Codes.He threatened to delete the page and disobeyed the rules of the page(By calling the page stupid,unneeded).I think you'd best bring this up with him. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[user talk:HuangLee|Talk]]). | |||
== Francis McReary == | |||
Biggest GTA Fan EVER,I have a question about GTA IV that you may be able to answer:Does Francis McCreary call you Jimmy in IV?Because for some obscure reason,he always calls me that! Even in custscenes,phone calls-everything!I think it's a glitch but I want to know if any one else experienced this.Since you're a huge fan,I thought you would know.Thank you for your time! [[user:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[user talk:HuangLee|Talk]]). | |||
== Hijacked == | |||
Well,it was just like how it looked in Grand Theft Auto.My door was force open and two seconds later,I was laying on the pavement.I have a car now but I always lock the doors when I ride in it.For some reason I can still feel pretty good when I play GTA because no one's actually being hurt. It's just fiction. [[User:HuangLee|HungLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== Mr. Twinkles? == | |||
My stupid Friend Chris was telling me to leave this website today.I asked him why and he said there was a user named Mr.Twinkles who got removed on his first day.I don't believe him so I'm defiantly staying.But was there REALLY a user named Mr.Twinkles?I think it was just gibberish. [[User:HuangLee|HungLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:Thanks.Now I realize My friend Chris was an inconsiderate jerk.I can't believe I fell for that.Mr.Twinkles...I must be quite gullible,lately.Thank you for clearing this up. [[User:HuangLee|HungLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== Re: Jimmy Pegorino == | |||
I made so many corrections to the word dips**t cuz I didn't know the best way to censor it.I changed more than that,though.I changed an external link form "Happiness Land" to "Happiness Island" [[User:HuangLee|HungLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== re: Martha's Mug Shot == | |||
You added an edit saying that the trick of landing on the building next door won't work unless you go to the intended shooting location first... I wonder, might that be a PC version "feature"? I've used this trick many times on my PS2, and I've always completed the mission. | |||
== Servarovich == | |||
Do you remember a user by the name of Damian Servarovich?He didn't sign his damn name after any of his suggestions.I just went back to correct the GTA 5 wishlist and I had to sign his name for every F**king one!And now it says he doesn't exist!D@#n it!(It took my a while to edit all that!!) [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:By every suggestion I meant the seven suggestions he made,one after another.He just visited it once but posted them all in one edit...I think. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== GTA 5 Wishlist == | |||
So far I haven't been able to edit the GTA 5 wishlist because I've been occupied.I saw you helped clean it up and that is greatly appreciated.I'll try to work with the page as soon as possible but someone either put their suggestion in the middle of the page or forgot to sign it.I'll see if I can figure out that was,though.-[[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:I will still edit The GTA 5 wishlist but I just can't do it that often.-[[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== Beat GTA IV 4 Times == | |||
I beat GTA IV 4 times for a few reasons.The first time I played it because it was my first PS3 game (Of course I owned it and as such I was going to play it).The second time I played it so I could experience the morality choices I didn't use.And the last two times were for entertainment,mostly.I still haven't beaten it the 5th time.I just can't help but kill Brucie in No.1 [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:I sent that gift because I saw you doing a-lot of editing and I thought maybe at some point you resolved some vandalism.It was either that or the shining keyboard. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
::New wiki?What wiki?I can help expand it. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:::Hmmm...I don't watch wrestling too often but I know a guy who might join.And I remember you mentioned an "admin trial" what exactly is that? [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
::::Interesting.I hope you get to stay an Admin.I hope to one day become a manager(see Grand Theft Wiki talk:promotion. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
So when you blocked me that probably screwed up the admin trial?That would suck.Well,Even if you do get demoted you can still be a manager or something,right? [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:I thought a manager was a lower position.So basically,Patrollers are okay,admins are better, managers are best? [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
::Okay,I just changed Grand Theft Wiki talk:promotion so it says I'm trying to be a patroller. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
== Unknown Made Man == | |||
Hey.Sorry it took me too long to respond back to you.I didn't know about the capitalizitaiton because I'm kinda new to GTA wiki.Alright?Thanks. [[User:BloodyGTA]] | |||
== My copyrights == | |||
Hey thanks for the tip, I added the self copyrights because it looked as the most appropriate option, but then noticed that images added by other people have different copyrights, so I left it blank on the imges I uploaded agter, because I wasn't sure how to do it. I will know it in the future, thanks again [[User:Lioshenka|Lioshenka]] 21:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Saints Row== | |||
Do youknow about Saints Row and Saints Row 2? [[User:Young Piece|Young Piece]] ([[User talk:Young Piece|Talk]]) | |||
:Do you know what the differance between GTA San Andreas and Saints Row 1 or Saints Row 2 and GTA 4? Please Reply A.S.A.P. and GTA Series rock! ([[User talk:Young Piece|Talk]]) | |||
==Help== | |||
i have gta 4 for xbox 360 how do i drink beer i have it in my hand but i cant drink it ????????? please help [[User:FIREFIGHTER21|FIREFIGHTER21]] ([[User talk:FIREFIGHTER21|Talk]]) | |||
==Help== | |||
pls help me ! i have completed almost all mission axcept phil cassidy mission where to find him ? [[User:Nayanranjan|Nayanranjan]] ([[User talk:Nayanranjan|Talk]]) | |||
==Re: Joining Discussions== | |||
That's okay.Besides when you enter a conversation,it usually becomes more interesting,for some reason. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
==Friend== | |||
I saw that you wanted me to be a friend.I appreciate this action.I would have replied earlier but I was helping expand a different wiki(Harvey Birdman wiki,actually!):)[[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
==Name== | |||
Hey,uh...I've been wondering lately...why you've never said you're name before.Real name.This has just been stuck on mind.- [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
==Mod== | |||
Have you heard of this mod for GTA SA?It's called "Grand Theft Auto:Ryder's Revenge".I just learned about it a little bit and I found the official logo online.I'm shocked they're still making mods(other than GTA criminal Russia). [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
:I don't know when it was or is going to be release(d) but you are right.It'd be awesome to make a mod.I think I'd make a mod to include new characters and missions.I've always liked the idea of a gothic gangster named Cobweb.I don't know why though...By the way I remember you mentioned trying to get 100% completion in GTA IV.I hope you can and do.Remember,there are six pigeons on the statue of Happiness.Tell me if you achieve it. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||
::I would have too.Little Jacob calls me like every day. [[User:HuangLee|HuangLee]] ([[User talk:HuangLee|Talk]]) | |||