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:Rodney - I understand and sympathise with your position. I agree it would be so much better for there to be one single wiki which everyone worked on. I personally believe that having two duplicate wikis is damaging to the community, and I would rather there be one at a consensually-determined location. We (as a community) decided to change host. Not to fork, not to split into two, but to move. I think the community and staff combined ''do'' have the right to move the wiki - the community owns it, not Wikia. As above, that was not imply due to disliking the skin, but the control that Wikia is exerting over the wiki, removing more and more rights from the community and its staff, and ignoring the many comments on the skin and new features. However, Wikia decided to keep running a copy of the wiki here as a fork from GTW. One of our staff members decided to stay behind and keep running this, and decided to point it more in the direction of mods. There was no vandalism, it was intended to be simply deleting the pages that are irrelevant to either wiki. I wasn't threatening to sue, please don't read too far into my comments. There are many issues with licencing on specific pages and images on this wiki. Many things are copyright and permission exists only to host these on GTW, not wikia's copy. I absolutely agree that each individual member of community has the right to choose whether they edit or not. We want to give everyone a fair chance to choose between the two, not for Wikia to commandeer the domain we've been using and pretend that the community is solely hosted there. I absolutely agree that Wikia are free to copy (most of) GTW's content and host their own version, with different staff. However, pretending that the site hasn't moved, denying the existance of GTW, and copying its logo and name are not fair actions on their behalf. [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/user:gboyers Gboyers] [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/User_talk:Gboyers talk] 14:19, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

:Gboyers: Actually, we see you as a totally ''legitimate'' fork. However, that doesn't mean that we should allow the parent wiki to be damaged in any way. The two admins who want to start a wiki about modding are very welcome to. In fact, I've [[w:c:gta-mods|created the wiki for them]] and will be happy to help with getting any content copied over they want to have there (with full attribution to this wiki of course).

::Gboyers: Actually, we see you as a totally ''legitimate'' fork. However, that doesn't mean that we should allow the parent wiki to be damaged in any way. The two admins who want to start a wiki about modding are very welcome to. In fact, I've [[w:c:gta-mods|created the wiki for them]] and will be happy to help with getting any content copied over they want to have there (with full attribution to this wiki of course).

:For this wiki, my question to all admins remains. What do you want to do? Are you willing to stay and look after this wiki, with its current content and focus? Or are you willing to go and edit elsewhere leaving this wiki in peace? Or should I remove all rights now? This wiki will remain for readers like Rodney88, anons and casual editors, past editors, future editors, and anyone else who chooses to remain. They are a community too, and this is their wiki. – [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> ([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]]) 23:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

::For this wiki, my question to all admins remains. What do you want to do? Are you willing to stay and look after this wiki, with its current content and focus? Or are you willing to go and edit elsewhere leaving this wiki in peace? Or should I remove all rights now? This wiki will remain for readers like Rodney88, anons and casual editors, past editors, future editors, and anyone else who chooses to remain. They are a community too, and this is their wiki. – [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> ([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]]) 23:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

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 :Rodney - I understand and sympathise with your position. I agree it would be so much better for there to be one single wiki which everyone worked on. I personally believe that having two duplicate wikis is damaging to the community, and I would rather there be one at a consensually-determined location. We (as a community) decided to change host. Not to fork, not to split into two, but to move. I think the community and staff combined ''do'' have the right to move the wiki - the community owns it, not Wikia. As above, that was not imply due to disliking the skin, but the control that Wikia is exerting over the wiki, removing more and more rights from the community and its staff, and ignoring the many comments on the skin and new features.<br />However, Wikia decided to keep running a copy of the wiki here as a fork from GTW. One of our staff members decided to stay behind and keep running this, and decided to point it more in the direction of mods. There was no vandalism, it was intended to be simply deleting the pages that are irrelevant to either wiki. I wasn't threatening to sue, please don't read too far into my comments. There are many issues with licencing on specific pages and images on this wiki. Many things are copyright and permission exists only to host these on GTW, not wikia's copy.<br />I absolutely agree that each individual member of community has the right to choose whether they edit or not. We want to give everyone a fair chance to choose between the two, not for Wikia to commandeer the domain we've been using and pretend that the community is solely hosted there. I absolutely agree that Wikia are free to copy (most of) GTW's content and host their own version, with different staff. However, pretending that the site hasn't moved, denying the existance of GTW, and copying its logo and name are not fair actions on their behalf. [http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/user:gboyers Gboyers] <sup>[http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/User_talk:Gboyers talk]</sup> 14:19, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:Gboyers: Actually, we see you as a totally ''legitimate'' fork.  However, that doesn't mean that we should allow the parent wiki to be damaged in any way.  The two admins who want to start a wiki about modding are very welcome to.  In fact, I've [[w:c:gta-mods|created the wiki for them]] and will be happy to help with getting any content copied over they want to have there (with full attribution to this wiki of course).
+::Gboyers: Actually, we see you as a totally ''legitimate'' fork. However, that doesn't mean that we should allow the parent wiki to be damaged in any way. The two admins who want to start a wiki about modding are very welcome to. In fact, I've [[w:c:gta-mods|created the wiki for them]] and will be happy to help with getting any content copied over they want to have there (with full attribution to this wiki of course).
-:For this wiki, my question to all admins remains.  What do you want to do?  Are you willing to stay and look after this wiki, with its current content and focus?  Or are you willing to go and edit elsewhere leaving this wiki in peace?  Or should I remove all rights now?  This wiki will remain for readers like Rodney88, anons and casual editors, past editors, future editors, and anyone else who chooses to remain.  They are a community too, and this is their wiki. – [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> <small>([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 23:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
+::For this wiki, my question to all admins remains. What do you want to do? Are you willing to stay and look after this wiki, with its current content and focus? Or are you willing to go and edit elsewhere leaving this wiki in peace? Or should I remove all rights now? This wiki will remain for readers like Rodney88, anons and casual editors, past editors, future editors, and anyone else who chooses to remain. They are a community too, and this is their wiki. – [[User:Sannse|Sannse]]<staff /> <small>([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 23:27, October 18, 2010 (UTC)