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I've always been a bit confused about the designation of [[Kenji Kasen|Kenji]] and [[Asuka Kasen]] as "co-leaders" of the Yakuza, and was wondering if there was anything official from Rockstar about this designation.  The main reason I ask is because of the designation of Kenji as ''[[Waka-Gashira Wipeout|wakagashira]]''.  The term is not used to designate a leader or co-leader within yakuza societies; rather, the term refers to the second-in-command, or underboss.
I've always been a bit confused about the designation of [[Kenji Kasen|Kenji]] and [[Asuka Kasen]] as "co-leaders" of the Yakuza, and was wondering if there was anything official from Rockstar about this designation.  The main reason I ask is because of the designation of Kenji as ''[[Waka-Gashira Wipeout|wakagashira]]''.  The term is not used to designate a leader or co-leader within yakuza societies; rather, the term refers to the second-in-command, or underboss.


Denshi Jisho [http://jisho.org/words?jap=wakagashira&eng=&dict=edict defines] the term as "young leading subordinate".  The Wikipedia article on the [[wikipedia:Yamaguchi-gumi|Yamaguchi-gumi]], which this article states may serve as inspiration for the Yakuza in GTA III, states that "Wakagashira were elected as underbosses to the ''kumicho''", ''kumicho'' being the term the article uses to designate the leader.  The article on [[wikipedia:Masaru Takumi|Masaru Takumi]] describes him as the "second-in-command (''wakagashira'') and financial overseer of... the Yamaguchi-gumi".  A flowchart from Wikipedia, [[wikipedia:File:Yakuza hierarchy.png|File:Yakuza hierarchy.png]], translates ''wakagashira'' as "first lieutenant" and clearly shows the pposition as being subordinate to the family leader.
Denshi Jisho [http://jisho.org/words?jap=wakagashira&eng=&dict=edict defines] the term as "young leading subordinate".  The Wikipedia article on the [[wikipedia:Yamaguchi-gumi|Yamaguchi-gumi]], which this article states may serve as inspiration for the Yakuza in GTA III, states that "Wakagashira were elected as underbosses to the ''kumicho''", ''kumicho'' being the term the article uses to designate the leader.  The article on [[wikipedia:Masaru Takumi|Masaru Takumi]] describes him as the "second-in-command (''wakagashira'') and financial overseer of... the Yamaguchi-gumi".  A flowchart from Wikipedia, [[wikipedia:File:Yakuza hierarchy.png|File:Yakuza hierarchy.png]], translates ''wakagashira'' as "first lieutenant" and clearly shows the position as being subordinate to the family leader.


Considering these numerous designations, it would make sense to me that there are three possibilities for the organizational structure.  The one in line with the "co-leader" theory is that Kenji and Asuka are jointly in charge of a larger organization's operations within Liberty City, and being "co-leaders", ''both'' hold the title of ''wakagashira'', as the term can be applied to more than one person.  However, in [[Waka-Gashira Wipeout]], Donald Love specifically uses a definite article to refer to Kenji's title: "I want you to kill ''the'' Yakuza Waka-Gashira, Kenji Kasen."  I would believe that that wording would not exist if others held the title of ''wakagashira'', as then Kenji would be ''a'' ''wakagashira'', not ''the'' ''wakagashira''.  As such, I am discounting that theory.
Considering these numerous designations, it would make sense to me that there are three possibilities for the organizational structure.  The one in line with the "co-leader" theory is that Kenji and Asuka are jointly in charge of a larger organization's operations within Liberty City, and being "co-leaders", ''both'' hold the title of ''wakagashira'', as the term can be applied to more than one person.  However, in [[Waka-Gashira Wipeout]], Donald Love specifically uses a definite article to refer to Kenji's title: "I want you to kill ''the'' Yakuza Waka-Gashira, Kenji Kasen."  I would believe that that wording would not exist if others held the title of ''wakagashira'', as then Kenji would be ''a'' ''wakagashira'', not ''the'' ''wakagashira''.  As such, I am discounting that theory.