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Hey Gtabot, can you do me the following favours: | Hey Gtabot, can you do me the following favours: | ||
1. Move | 1. Move ''Shoreside Vale Safehouse (GTA LCS)'' to "Shoreside Vale Safehouse". | ||
2. Move | 2. Move ''Staunton Island Safehouse (GTA LCS) to "Staunton Island Safehouse". | ||
I can't perform the following moves because I don't have the right to delete pages. Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:47, 13 October 2011 (BST) | I can't perform the following moves because I don't have the right to delete pages. Thanks.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 10:47, 13 October 2011 (BST) | ||
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:Gtabot is for making large-scale automated edits (such as renaming/removing categories/templates on hundreds of pages), not individual page moves. If you look at the target pages [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse]] and [[Staunton Island Safehouse]], they both exist and need to be deleted, which is why you aren't able to move the pages yourself. Are you planning on merging the pages, or making the LCS one the primary article for that title? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:58, 13 October 2011 (BST) | :Gtabot is for making large-scale automated edits (such as renaming/removing categories/templates on hundreds of pages), not individual page moves. If you look at the target pages [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse]] and [[Staunton Island Safehouse]], they both exist and need to be deleted, which is why you aren't able to move the pages yourself. Are you planning on merging the pages, or making the LCS one the primary article for that title? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 14:58, 13 October 2011 (BST) | ||
What I am planning on doing is to move | What I am planning on doing is to move ''Shoreside Vale Safehouse (GTA LCS)'' to "Shoreside Vale Safehouse" (without the LCS) and to move ''Staunton Island Safehouse (GTA LCS)'' to "Staunton Island Safehouse" (without the LCS), as there is no risk of confusion. However, I cannot delete things so I cannot carry out the moves.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 01:14, 14 October 2011 (BST) | ||
:[[Shoreside Vale Safehouse]] is a redirect to [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse (Disambiguation)]] (which should be moved to the name without the brackets) and [[Staunton Island Safehouse]] ''is'' a disambig. What are you planning to do with the disambig pages? If you want to use those titles for the more prominent one and simply link to the other from the top of the pages, wouldn't GTA III be more prominent? '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 01:37, 14 October 2011 (BST) | :[[Shoreside Vale Safehouse]] is a redirect to [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse (Disambiguation)]] (which should be moved to the name without the brackets) and [[Staunton Island Safehouse]] ''is'' a disambig. What are you planning to do with the disambig pages? If you want to use those titles for the more prominent one and simply link to the other from the top of the pages, wouldn't GTA III be more prominent? '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 01:37, 14 October 2011 (BST) | ||
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:*I personally don't really like pages with (Disambiguation) on the end, it's a fairly long word, and a lot to type. I think that if we need to have a disambig, it should be at the main title. Often we don't need a disambig page, we simply have the more prominent page at the main title, and it links directly to the other page(s). As there are only two articles in that disambig, it isnt necessarily required (a simple link will do), but we need to decide which one is more prominent first. | :*I personally don't really like pages with (Disambiguation) on the end, it's a fairly long word, and a lot to type. I think that if we need to have a disambig, it should be at the main title. Often we don't need a disambig page, we simply have the more prominent page at the main title, and it links directly to the other page(s). As there are only two articles in that disambig, it isnt necessarily required (a simple link will do), but we need to decide which one is more prominent first. | ||
:*Fair enough about GTA III not calling them safehouses, but I would prefer to make the page easy to find rather than be 100% technically correct. The word safehouse is used throughout the series, and is very familiar to people who play these games. Does everyone realise that this word wasn't always used? (Obviously not, as the name is used in many GTA III related articles on this wiki). I think that people ''will'' look for ''Shoreside Vale Safehouse'' for information about both GTA III and GTA LCS, even though it's not called that in game. What do you think? '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 01:57, 14 October 2011 (BST) | :*Fair enough about GTA III not calling them safehouses, but I would prefer to make the page easy to find rather than be 100% technically correct. The word safehouse is used throughout the series, and is very familiar to people who play these games. Does everyone realise that this word wasn't always used? (Obviously not, as the name is used in many GTA III related articles on this wiki). I think that people ''will'' look for ''Shoreside Vale Safehouse'' for information about both GTA III and GTA LCS, even though it's not called that in game. What do you think? '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 01:57, 14 October 2011 (BST) | ||
:'''EDIT:''' Actually, now I see that you've moved [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse | :'''EDIT:''' Actually, now I see that you've moved [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse (GTA III)]] to [[Shoreside Vale Hideout]], it ''does'' make sense for usability reasons to make these changes, and have ''no'' pages with brackets (my argument above was more about which page should have the brackets and which shouldn't). I think in this case that the disambig can be deleted, and simply have a link that the top of the page to link to the GTA III version. Thoughts? '''[[User:JFletcher|JFletcher]]<sup>''[[User talk:JFletcher|Talk]]''</sup>''' <small>(formerly User:Biggest gta fan ever)</small> 02:03, 14 October 2011 (BST) | ||
::I agree.--[[User:MrLanceVanceDance|MrLanceVanceDance]] 02:34, 14 October 2011 (BST) | |||
This isn't as simple as that - what we do here will have repercussions into how we deal with other disambig pages ''and'' brackets in page titles ''and'' different words for the same thing (hideout/safehouse). So let's not dig ourselves into a big inconsistent hole. | |||
*For pages like [[GTA]] where 99% of people know exactly what it refers to (the series, not [[GTA 1]]), it's fine to let one page keep the title. In that situation, all the other pages use other titles (avoiding brackets where possible). This is even though ''technically speaking'' the series doesn't have an official name, and "Grand Theft Auto" refers specifically to the first game, but 99% of people here agree that GTA=series GTA1=game. | |||
*Then there are titles like [[Claude]], where one title is more obvious than the other, but we still have [[Claude (disambiguation)]] | |||
*Then there are other situations like [[Mike]] where the difference is less obvious, so we can choose whether to force up the disambiguation. In this situation, we let Mike take over. | |||
*Then there are titles which refer to types of things, such as [[Limousine]] or [[Helicopter]], where there isn't a specific article for them. We could use a plain disambiguation page, but it's better to use a proper list article like [[Fixed-Wing Aircraft]] or [[Police Car]]. | |||
For the safehouses, only one of them ''technically'' is a safehouse and the other ''technically'' is a 'hideout' (same thing, just different terminology), but we can't expect most users to instinctively know that. The names we're using are completely made up, so users might search for one term expecting to find the other one easily. So that is one point in favour of using the current bracket layout, but brackets are difficult to link to (do you add a space? Do you start with a capital? Are there spaces inside the brackets? Which type of parenthesis do you use?). This is why, for most pages on this wiki that occur in multiple games, we add "in GTA III" or "in GTA III Era" to the title like - [[Safehouses in GTA Vice City]] - that is much more guessable and usable than anything using brackets. We should extend that to these pages - [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse in GTA III]]. | |||
The only question is whether we should use "Hideout" for the two games where that term is used instead. I don't think we should, because being consistent is important to how usable the wiki is, and how easy it is to organise - we use 'safehouse' everywhere else. If someone searches for hideout it will still take them to the right page, and they will very quickly realise that we always use the word 'safehouse' here. Just like if they search for [[Quests]] they'll find missions. However, I'm not 100% sure on this point, it will require a further decision. In the meantime, stick with whatever we use for each game's list ([[Safehouse|here]]). | |||
So I would suggest we stick to having 3 pages, but rename them to their correct name: | |||
*[[Shoreside Vale Safehouse]] (which should be a disambiguation page) | |||
*[[Shoreside Vale Hideout in GTA III]] | |||
*[[Shoreside Vale Safehouse in GTA Liberty City Stories]] (we [[:Category:GTA Liberty City Stories|don't abbreviate to LCS]], for consistency with other games that we don't abbreviate) | |||
The page [[Shoreside Vale Hideout]] should redirect to the disambig, whilst [[Shoreside Vale Safehouse in GTA III]] should redirect to its respective page with 'hideout' in the title. Make sense? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 05:55, 14 October 2011 (BST) | |||
== Youtube tags == | |||
There has been a change in how the <code><nowiki><youtube></youtube></nowiki></code> tags work recently. | |||
The way they work now | |||
<code><nowiki>{{youtube | |||
|video1=hvoD7ehZPcM | |||
|width1=300 | |||
}}</nowiki></code> | |||
will create the video previews as we are used to seeing them, such as the GTA V trailer on the Main Page. However, almost every other page still uses the old tag which would have looked like this: <code><nowiki><youtube>hvoD7ehZPcM</youtube></nowiki></code>. Is it possible for this bot to fix all of these now broken videos? They are almost everywhere, like game trailers and mission walkthroughs and it doesn't look very good with broken code everywhere. [[User:Andreaz1|Andreaz1]] ([[User talk:Andreaz1|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Andreaz1|edits]]) 00:49, 3 September 2013 (BST) | |||
:This is a very good idea to have this bot do this. It seems to be a tedious and repetitive task that should be easily fixed with a bot. '''[[User:IanPhoenix|Ian Phoenix]]<sup>''[[User talk:IanPhoenix|talk]]''</sup>''' 01:14, 3 September 2013 (BST) | |||
Yep this should be straightfoward, I'll try to get the bot working again. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:32, 3 September 2013 (BST) | |||