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:This wiki is made up of lots of different editors, that's how we have always worked. Some like writing content, some like editing content, some like organising pages, some like building templates, some like making things pretty, some like taking screenshots and adding them, some like selecting and using images, some like proof-reading, some like fact-checking. This wiki needs all these different people to work - I do not expect one person to do everything. Even in the staff, some like organising the wiki, some like inspecting and fixing content, others like to get involved in some of the behind-the-scenes stuff. If there are things you really hate doing, things that make you want to leave, then I'd rather you spent your time on things you did enjoy and someone else could pick that up. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | :This wiki is made up of lots of different editors, that's how we have always worked. Some like writing content, some like editing content, some like organising pages, some like building templates, some like making things pretty, some like taking screenshots and adding them, some like selecting and using images, some like proof-reading, some like fact-checking. This wiki needs all these different people to work - I do not expect one person to do everything. Even in the staff, some like organising the wiki, some like inspecting and fixing content, others like to get involved in some of the behind-the-scenes stuff. If there are things you really hate doing, things that make you want to leave, then I'd rather you spent your time on things you did enjoy and someone else could pick that up. [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 21:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
Yes, cleanup is tedious, but I'm not sure there's a reasonable solution to that. We could require all users to be approved before they can edit, or semi-protect all content articles, or make the wiki invite-only, or require all edits to be patrolled before appearing; but I think all of those would have a negative total effect on the content - relying even more on our small number of committed users and pushing new editors further away. Of course I kno | |||
"Bots" covers a few different things. There are the automated command-line tools we use for mass editing such as adding/removing a category. However, there are others intended to ''assist'' editors in their daily activities. [[:wp:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser]] is really useful for finding articles to edit (automatically loading categories etc) and then for doing things like syntax/spelling/grammar checks ''whilst'' you go about your editing, I'd suggest giving it a try, as it can help cut out the most tedious parts of editing. | |||
With regards to redirects, I think we're talking about two different things. I meant that you and A-Dust seem to be putting in a lot of effort going around changing <code><nowiki>[[GTA San Andreas]]</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas|GTA San Andreas]]</nowiki></code> - whilst that is ''right'' I don't think it should be our priority to seek those out and change them, particularly when you're complaining about all the tedious editing. The fact that a link goes to a redirect is ''not'' a problem that affects the wiki or its users. The load on the server from a redirect is non-existent - there is more load for each template on a page. But yes, double redirects do need fixing in every instance, but we have an automated tool that can do that automatically daily. | |||
With regards to capitalisation of titles (eg SWAT Tank) that is actually the next discussion planned. Definitely worth a discussion, and I'm open to changing that. | |||
With [[Benson]] - the split was the important part, the names were not. Feel free to move them as I mentioned earlier. | |||
The TOC is there as one option for navigating within an article, but that's not a reason to merge two unrelated articles. Why not have [[Tommy Vercetti]] and [[Tommy Francovic]] on the same page and just use the TOC to distinguish the sections? Why not [[Introduction (GTA VC)]] and [[The Introduction]]? Because they are completely separate, unrelated articles that only share a name - they should not be on the same page. Name them whatever you want, but the two Benson articles should not share a page. | |||
You're absolutely right that not many users bother with the 2D games, and that is a shame. I'd like to know how we can encourage more people to edit those sections, but I don't know many people that still play those games, and we struggle enough finding new editors to edit pages about the new games! However, I don't believe that is going to suddenly change because of filling infoboxes with a low-resolution 2D overhead image of a vehicle instead of a 3D rendering, or forcing people to see content they don't want. | |||
The things that will really help is promoting 2D games through the [[FA|featured article]] and social media channels, but so far absolutely no staff members have assisted with either of those things. Each post on the GTW Facebook gets a thousand views, and we have a thousand followers on Twitter. With a couple of retweets, some of our posts can been seen by 20,000 people through Facebook+Twitter alone. | |||
If you would be willing to curate the 2D era content, provide some excerpts that I could post, that would be awesome. Things like just highlighting a different cool vehicle, mission, feature or screenshot, and posting one a day. We could have a big "2D Week" event where we show off the best things this wiki has relating to those games, and encourage visitors to download and play them. That would be way better for the wiki, its editors and its users than just going around fixing redirect links. I challenge you to work with me do something like that. Interested? [[User:Gboyers|gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 22:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC) | |||