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::Plus he did have that heroin problem so its not to hard to imagine him OD'ing sometime after IV.[[User:Gtajesus|Gtajesus]] ([[User talk:Gtajesus|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gtajesus|edits]]) 23:26, 25 September 2013 (BST) | ::Plus he did have that heroin problem so its not to hard to imagine him OD'ing sometime after IV.[[User:Gtajesus|Gtajesus]] ([[User talk:Gtajesus|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Gtajesus|edits]]) 23:26, 25 September 2013 (BST) | ||
:::Maybe Francis built a red metal suit and is living the life of a billionaire playboy crime fighter. There's a lot of maybes in the world, some more ridiculous than others. But when determining canon, we have to go by what the game tells us (unless Rockstar says differently). Packie makes no mention of Francis at all, much less whether he's alive or dead, so his mention of Derrick dying is all we have and it implies he was the one Niko killed. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 13:38, 27 September 2013 (BST) | :::Maybe Francis built a red metal suit and is living the life of a billionaire playboy crime fighter. There's a lot of maybes in the world, some more ridiculous than others. But when determining canon, we have to go by what the game tells us (unless Rockstar says differently). Packie makes no mention of Francis at all, much less whether he's alive or dead, so his mention of Derrick dying is all we have and it implies he was the one Niko killed. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] ([[User talk:Ghost Leader|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ghost Leader|edits]]) 13:38, 27 September 2013 (BST) | ||
::::It only implies Derrick is dead, not that Niko killed him (which he wouldn't know anyway). We can't just assume the latter. The way Packie says it, maybe Niko had killed Francis but Derrick died a few months or years later. We cannot know for sure, which was probably Rockstar's point, so that choice in GTA IV doesn't lose value.--[[User:Loadingue|Loadingue]] ([[User talk:Loadingue|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Loadingue|edits]]) 15:25, 27 September 2013 (BST) |