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| :That looks like a [[Rio]]. If the name came from a third-party application, it's most likely wrong.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 18:14, September 29, 2009 (UTC) | | :That looks like a [[Rio]]. If the name came from a third-party application, it's most likely wrong.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 18:14, September 29, 2009 (UTC) |
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| == [[Jim Fitzgerald]] ==
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| I don't mean to argue, but regarding the picture of the two bikers during the mission [[No Way on the Subway]] Jim is NOT supposed to be the bald biker.
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| If you've played [[The Lost and Damned]] you'll know that in the mission [[Collector's Item]], when you meet up with Jim, he's standing WITH a BALD Lost MC member.
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| Making it obvious that Jim was supposed to be the long haired/bearded biker in GTA IV.
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| Also, the news states Jim died on the track, it is possible to kill the long haired guy before the track, but if you notice in GTA IV, you can't kill the bald biker until he's off the tracks,
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| So I'm changing it back, you can check the Collector's Item mission on youtube, and see for yourself. It doesn't matter which one he's "registered too" it's just a mistake, as is the fact they look completely different. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 01:17, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| :In my opinion, game files trump speculations in all cases. The game files specifically named that bald biker as Jim and Jim's voice actor is credited in the game. The bald biker was the one who talked so he should be Jim.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 01:03, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| It's not speculation though... so that has no relevance, it's fact that Jim isn't the bald guy, I don't mean to argue, it's just the way it is lol [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 01:17, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| :I know. People had [http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=427249 many discussions on this] but there is no solid proof that the bald biker in TLAD is the exact same bald biker in GTA IV unless someone probes through TLAD's file or if Rockstar mention about it. Right now, the evidence that the bald guy in GTA IV is Jim outweighs the evidence that he's not.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 01:40, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| Dude...
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| GTA IV, [[No Way on the Subway]] - Bald biker and a long haired biker
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| GTA TLAD, [[Collector's Item]] - Bald biker and [[Jim Fitzgerald]]
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| No disrespect intended... but it's not rocket science. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 01:48, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| :It is rocket science to me. Since there are two possibilities, you can mention these in Jim's article. This discussion should've been discussed there. I'm not the only one who thinks the bald guy is Jim.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 15:49, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
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| Well they're wrong too, Jim may have supposed to have been the bald biker maybe not, but obviously, that's not true anymore, Jim is obviously not the bald biker. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 22:08, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
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| :How can you be so sure that you're right? I just provided evidence that the bald biker can be Jim. If there are two opposing views, each with evidence to support them, then no one is right until there is true confirmation.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 22:49, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
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| Well in conclusion then, if we skip the little things and look at the bigger picture, there is no right answer or wrong answer, why should your evidence overpower mine? Just because you have that nifty moderator badge? That doesn't seem fair at all, seeing as both of us are right and have equal evidence. [[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 01:58, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
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| :''Since there are two possibilities, you can mention these in Jim's article.''--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 04:59, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
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| That was exactly SE's point. Since there are two possibilities/options, and we don't know (or agree) which one is correct, then both should be listed. I'm sure that one of you is correct, but unless we can prove it (or it's so obvious that everyone agrees), then we should put both. Nobody is overruling anyone else - this is how disagreements are always managed here. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 13:18, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
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| Alrighty, I'm glad we've come to agree with this. The only reason I was arguing in the first place was because my possibility wasn't being accounted for. Spaceeinstein was deleting mine and replacing it with his, instead of leaving both. But I'm glad it's all settled now, thank's for hearing me out.[[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 22:51, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
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