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== Re: Help ==
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:''Imported from [[User talk:Gboyers#Help]]''.
I need some help involving deleting/renaming images, and pages. For the pages I deleted this [[GTA_Sanandreas_Myths,_Bigsmokes_Ghost|page]] twice because the information from a duplicate of another page, and because it should have been in the myth section. And with the images if there is a replacement should I delete the old one and add the new version in? When renaming an image I need help with it if it has any punctuation like apostrophes, and signs, or hyphens.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:24, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


If there are two pages with the same information, you should only keep one. Keep the biggest/oldest one, because that will have the most accurate edit history (showing who added what). You can copy the information from the new/small page in, delete that page, then move the original to whatever name is best. Do NOT ever move a page by copying & pasting the contents, because it gets rid of all the edit history. With images, you can upload over the top of an existing image - replacing the image without having to delete it and then upload a new one. This is the best way, because it lets us see what has changed. If there are two images with the same content, delete one. If you ever delete an image, remember to go to every page that [[Special:Whatlinkshere|links to it]], and change them to use the correct image (or remove the image code entirely). As for image names, try and follow the convention of <code>File:SubjectName-GAME-description.jpg</code> - the description is only where multiple images have the same subject+game, such as different views/colours/types (ie [[:File:Comet-GTA4-rear.jpg]]). And please don't change the default site skin :) [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:42, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
If there are two pages with the same information, you should only keep one. Keep the biggest/oldest one, because that will have the most accurate edit history (showing who added what). You can copy the information from the new/small page in, delete that page, then move the original to whatever name is best. Do NOT ever move a page by copying & pasting the contents, because it gets rid of all the edit history. With images, you can upload over the top of an existing image - replacing the image without having to delete it and then upload a new one. This is the best way, because it lets us see what has changed. If there are two images with the same content, delete one. If you ever delete an image, remember to go to every page that [[Special:Whatlinkshere|links to it]], and change them to use the correct image (or remove the image code entirely). As for image names, try and follow the convention of <code>File:SubjectName-GAME-description.jpg</code> - the description is only where multiple images have the same subject+game, such as different views/colours/types (ie [[:File:Comet-GTA4-rear.jpg]]). And please don't change the default site skin :) [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:42, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:So with the [[Armed Land Roamer]] page the image:Armed Land Roamer.jpg should be overwritten with the image: Armed Land Roamer (GTA2).png?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:49, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


:If you have a better image, you just click "[http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Armed_Land_Roamer.jpg&wpForReUpload=1 Upload a new version of this file]" which is on that page. That will upload a new image to <code>File:Armed Land Roamer.jpg</code>. You should then [[Special:MovePage/File:Armed_Land_Roamer.jpg|move]] the image page to the correct file name (to match our new naming rules), which should be <code>File:ArmedLandRoamer-GTA2.jpg</code> - Make sense? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:54, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:If you have a better image, you just click "[http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Armed_Land_Roamer.jpg&wpForReUpload=1 Upload a new version of this file]" which is on that page. That will upload a new image to <code>File:Armed Land Roamer.jpg</code>. You should then [[Special:MovePage/File:Armed_Land_Roamer.jpg|move]] the image page to the correct file name (to match our new naming rules), which should be <code>File:ArmedLandRoamer-GTA2.jpg</code> - Make sense? [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:54, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Got it, but what about the GTASA vehicles. The first ones were PS2, and then [[User:ZS|ZS]] redid those with PC. Should those be left alone?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 01:56, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


::We should always try to have the best-looking images that best show the vehicle, what it looks like, and what is unique about it. If you have a PC version and can take better screenshots than we already have from a console, then it might be good to get some better images. We do NOT need to go through and change everything to the PC version just because it's newer, and we don't need a different image for every PC/PS2 version, because usually there is no difference. If there ''is'' a difference which you want to show on the page, then by all means upload a second image (name one <code>-PS2.jpg</code> and one <code>-PC.jpg</code>). If there is only one, we don't need to say whether it's PC or PS2 in the name (but a comment on the image page would be good). Also, pages like [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=GTA_Sanandreas_Myths%2C_Bigsmokes_Ghost.&timestamp=20100323220426 GTA Sanandreas Myths, Bigsmokes Ghost] might not be useful articles, but if people have put effort into writing essays/opinion like that, you can move it to the [[Forum]], and just add <code><nowiki>{{forumheader|GTA}}</nowiki></code> at the top. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:02, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
::We should always try to have the best-looking images that best show the vehicle, what it looks like, and what is unique about it. If you have a PC version and can take better screenshots than we already have from a console, then it might be good to get some better images. We do NOT need to go through and change everything to the PC version just because it's newer, and we don't need a different image for every PC/PS2 version, because usually there is no difference. If there ''is'' a difference which you want to show on the page, then by all means upload a second image (name one <code>-PS2.jpg</code> and one <code>-PC.jpg</code>). If there is only one, we don't need to say whether it's PC or PS2 in the name (but a comment on the image page would be good). Also, pages like [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=GTA_Sanandreas_Myths%2C_Bigsmokes_Ghost.&timestamp=20100323220426 GTA Sanandreas Myths, Bigsmokes Ghost] might not be useful articles, but if people have put effort into writing essays/opinion like that, you can move it to the [[Forum]], and just add <code><nowiki>{{forumheader|GTA}}</nowiki></code> at the top. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:02, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


:Just to add with image names, try and keep it simple. Usually you only need a subject and game - for example <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV.jpg</code>. If you need multiple images of the Diablos gang in GTA IV, then you can distinguish between them by adding an extra word - such as <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-man.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-woman.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-group.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-hideout.jpg</code>. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Just to add with image names, try and keep it simple. Usually you only need a subject and game - for example <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV.jpg</code>. If you need multiple images of the Diablos gang in GTA IV, then you can distinguish between them by adding an extra word - such as <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-man.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-woman.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-group.jpg</code>, <code>File:Diablos-GTAIV-hideout.jpg</code>. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:An example of the PS2/PC the [[Ghost]]. The Ghost is black in the PC/Xbox, and blue in the PS2 version. Like that? And I see how it could be moved but when I looked at it most of it was copied from the Big Smoke article. So should this be restored and moved to a forum or added into the myths page?--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:08, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


::[[Ghost]] is a good example of when you'd want two images (since there is a big difference). So just like the article has now, you would have one ending in -PC and one ending in -PS2 (the "recreation" part is unnecessary). Since that article had just been copied, you can leave it. But if someone has written about their opinion or asked a question, it's easier to move it to the forum than argue about it. Don't forget to ALWAYS explain why you delete something - at the very least leave an edit summary. If someone has put a lot of effort in, it's polite to leave a message on their talk page. If you don't, then they will often scream at you and leave abusive messages everywhere and maybe even go on a rampage and start vandalising things. It happens quite a lot, so try and just be friendly and explain that the content already existed on page X (and say they can edit that page), or that it's not really relevant enough for the wiki, so they should post it on the Forum, in a sub-page of their user page, or on a different wiki. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:20, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
::[[Ghost]] is a good example of when you'd want two images (since there is a big difference). So just like the article has now, you would have one ending in -PC and one ending in -PS2 (the "recreation" part is unnecessary). Since that article had just been copied, you can leave it. But if someone has written about their opinion or asked a question, it's easier to move it to the forum than argue about it. Don't forget to ALWAYS explain why you delete something - at the very least leave an edit summary. If someone has put a lot of effort in, it's polite to leave a message on their talk page. If you don't, then they will often scream at you and leave abusive messages everywhere and maybe even go on a rampage and start vandalising things. It happens quite a lot, so try and just be friendly and explain that the content already existed on page X (and say they can edit that page), or that it's not really relevant enough for the wiki, so they should post it on the Forum, in a sub-page of their user page, or on a different wiki. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 02:20, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
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:Blocking is at your discretion - there is no precise rule. You need to make a judgement based on the seriousness of what they did, the likelihood of them doing it again (immediately, frequently, or in the long-term), and the benefit of removing them from the wiki (temporarily or permanently). Swearing on its own is not usually worthy of a block, unless they ignore staff requests to stop, or if they do it LOTS . If someone has been in a fight, then a short block (1-3 days) can stop the fight without causing them to leave the wiki completely. If someone has been ignoring staff, getting in big/multiple edit wars, or has general bad behaviour, a medium-length block (1 week - 3 months) might be appropriate. If they are a regular misbehaver who has repeatedly ignored or abused staff, or if they are a real user who has vandalised etc, then a long block (1 year) is enough to keep them away, but allow them to return in the future when they have maybe calmed down and matured. If they are a spammer, proven to be abusing multiple accounts, then an infinite block is necessary. Remember that if you block their IP address, you might be blocking an entire school, not just one person. That is good for short blocks, or to block spam/ad bots, but not good for long blocks of vandals (who are likely to be in a school). These are just guidelines - make your own decision, but seriously don't be afraid to ask Staff for their input into any decision. I'm very pleased that you are asking questions as well as trying to work out the answer, rather than just getting it wrong. You can see [[Special:BlockList]] if you want to see some examples. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
:Blocking is at your discretion - there is no precise rule. You need to make a judgement based on the seriousness of what they did, the likelihood of them doing it again (immediately, frequently, or in the long-term), and the benefit of removing them from the wiki (temporarily or permanently). Swearing on its own is not usually worthy of a block, unless they ignore staff requests to stop, or if they do it LOTS . If someone has been in a fight, then a short block (1-3 days) can stop the fight without causing them to leave the wiki completely. If someone has been ignoring staff, getting in big/multiple edit wars, or has general bad behaviour, a medium-length block (1 week - 3 months) might be appropriate. If they are a regular misbehaver who has repeatedly ignored or abused staff, or if they are a real user who has vandalised etc, then a long block (1 year) is enough to keep them away, but allow them to return in the future when they have maybe calmed down and matured. If they are a spammer, proven to be abusing multiple accounts, then an infinite block is necessary. Remember that if you block their IP address, you might be blocking an entire school, not just one person. That is good for short blocks, or to block spam/ad bots, but not good for long blocks of vandals (who are likely to be in a school). These are just guidelines - make your own decision, but seriously don't be afraid to ask Staff for their input into any decision. I'm very pleased that you are asking questions as well as trying to work out the answer, rather than just getting it wrong. You can see [[Special:BlockList]] if you want to see some examples. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 03:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


To enable our custom skin, you need to tick "Let the admins override my skin choice." I have 'slate' selected, but with that ticked it uses our custom CSS. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 20:49, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
:After I deleted that page I left a message on [[User talk:Creekside20985#Big smokes ghost|Creeksides20985's talk page]]. I said if he/she wanted I could undelete to move it or get information from it. Oh, and considering breaking rules such as swearing, could you tell me how many warnings one could get before a block. I asked you this because [[User:Black Artist|Black Artist]] used swearing and I undid it, and left a message on his talk page.--[[User:Gta-mysteries|Gta-mysteries]] 02:26, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
:With regards to wanted files, you ''can'' edit people's talk pages/messages to remove dead links. However, you should be careful to only remove the link syntax - you should never alter the text or meaning of their comment. Either change the link into plain text or wrap it in <nowiki><code></nowiki> tags, such as <code>File:Charactersfromgta4.jpg</code> - [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] <sup>[[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]]</sup> 01:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


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