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Hi, welcome to Grand Theft Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the User:Gta-mysteries page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- GuildKnight (Talk) 20:04, 27 April 2009

Shopfront articles

Lines 10-13 imported from User talk:Gboyers/archive5#Businesses.

I must ask, do these shopfronts articles really need their own article? How many sentences can completely detail the shops, and how important are they as far as gameplay is concerned? Would a list of businesses be more efficient instead of a huge mess of very short articles? - ZS 09:38, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Would it help if the articles had more images? And how much space does an article take up?--Gta-mysteries 03:42, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Images can be provided and most solid articles must have at least 1,500 KB (roughly 3 paragraphs, each with at least two or three sentences, including, images, categories and formatting). By the looks of the topic you're covering, there simply isn't much to talk about aside their appearances in games and their address, because these businesses are otherwise useless as far as gameplay is concerned and are only there for show.

Managing these articles will be an unnecessary nightmare if every one of them has their own articles. Would it be more practical to sort them in alphabetical lists instead of crowding out the business categories and hampering maintenance? - ZS 09:10, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Other than the businesses what about the businesses I made for the empire building feature. Do those look ok?--Gta-mysteries 22:55, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Businesses involved in Empire Building can be listed under a specialized list because they have specialized roles (where they can be summed up in a description field on exactly what sort of business they are), but not individual articles, because they are only just that: An otherwise unusable shop with only a destructible interior to show. Start with a list; I'll like to see if the list works first before coming to a definite conclusion. - ZS 08:52, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

When you say start a list do you mean a list on the empire building page of on a separate page?--Gta-mysteries 02:42, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

You can put it in a separate page titled "List of businesses involved in Empire Building" or something. You can link it from the main Empire Building page, probably in the "See also" section. - ZS 14:03, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

I agree entirely that un-enterable unimportant shopfronts should not have their own articles. Nobody is ever going to want to look at those articles - why would anyone do that? And as ZS says, it's creating unnecessary content which will be difficult to manage. The content you've made is good, and should be put into a list or table, like Businesses in Los Santos and perhaps Shops in Los Santos - if it's a table you could have an image next to each one. If the shop is enterable, then sure, have a page if you think it needs one (as well as being in the list/table), and shove in a couple of screenshots - that's manageable. If it has a special function (like Empire Building), then put it in a special list for that. Gboyers talk 10:18, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

I have another question dealing with businesses in GTA San Andreas. Are Carniceria Panaderia, and Flores Mini Mart the same business or are they seperate but share the same building?--Gta-mysteries 00:20, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Is that just a building that you can't go in? We don't need individual articles for every single one of those buildings. There's no point, as there is only 1 sentence we can fit on that page, and nobody would ever look for that information. It would be best just put in a list on one "Shops in Los Santos" page or similar. Gboyers talk 00:40, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

How do you make a table?--Gta-mysteries 11:06, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

We do have a Help section you know. Try Help:Tables. Gboyers talk 11:10, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


Lines 5-7 imported from User talk:Chimpso#Redirects.
Hello. May I ask you to please not create so many redirect pages. I mean L.C.P.D Directed to the LCPD page is fine. But redirects like Cop (clothing), The Exchange (III) and Benson (car) are completely unneeded. They clog up space and no one would search for these. So I wish for you not to make these pages. Good luck! --Chimpso 02:37, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Instead of the redirects would it be better to just edit the pages where the link is and put the right one in?--Gta-mysteries 03:16, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Obviously, it would make more sense to correct the links themselves, than to create dozens of unnecessary redirects - especially given the fact that the vast majority of the redirects that you created were only linked to from - now redundant - talk page discussions. In future please just make sure that you know why the red links are there, as they may have only been suggestions for article names. Also, unlike Wikipedia, most of the time we try to avoid using article names with brackets in them - for example "Tug (GTA IV)" - the main reason being that nobody would willingly type that into the search box, that's why we use names like Tug Boat and Police Car. - Hardrock182 08:53, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I will pay attention next time.--Gta-mysteries 04:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
I haven a question that has to do with the redirects. You said that some would be necessary such as the L.C.P.D to LCPD. Well would it be right to make a redirect page for the driving school, which would be Turning Tricks Advanced Motoring?--Gta-mysteries 21:59, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Redirects are useful for two reasons. Firstly, it's a lot easier to link to GTA London 1961 than the full game title. Sometimes we go to the extreme and have shortcuts like TLAD to make life easier for editors. Secondly, someone might search for (or link to) a title that doesn't automatically take them to the right page. For example searching for "Advanced Motoring" doesn't take you to the right page, and the search results are unhelpful, so a redirect to Driving School would be one way to fix that. However, just putting those words on the Driving School page would also work, and it's unlikely that many people would actively look fo "Turning Tricks Advanced Motoring". However L.C.P.D. is a good example because searching for that won't bring up a page on LCPD without a redirect (as we couldn't list every variation on the page). So in this case, a redirect isn't really necessary unless you think it makes life easier for someone along the way. If you think it does, then go ahead. Gboyers talk 22:33, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
This is not a really good question to ask me right now. My computer has crashed and is getting repaired and thats why I am not on much. But I agree with Gboyers. If it makes things easier then feel free to create a redirect. Chimpso 23:02, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


Just a quick reminder. When you add a "Gallery" section to an article, the last line of code should be "</gallery>", not "<gallery/>" - (notice the minor difference?) while the positioning of the "/" may seem irrelevant, it actually causes the categories on the article to disappear for some reason. So in future just make sure you use the correct code for galleries. Thanks. - Hardrock182 18:41, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:A-Dust/archive#Images 2
I need to ask you, why did you delete my images of the Bitch 'n' Dog Food cans?--Gta-mysteries 02:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the images because there is no need for them. A-Dust 00:51, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Editings

I was in my homepage and I noticed that ZS is creating new images in some vehicle articles. I checked one of it and see the history. I saw your edit and this happens. You make some wrong edits. Please don't do that again next time. If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T do it.

It's just an advice/warning, I won't scold you. :P

|0ComeKillLah, Meh|Talk to me!| 13:15, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean.--Gta-mysteries 01:06, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Crusher Rewards

Imported from User talk:GuildKnight#Hey thanks for the welcome.

Is there a page already made describing the rewards for crushing vehicles at a crusher in GTA 2.--Gta-mysteries 02:43, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

<no reply>


Just a request that, when you upload images, please place them into an appropriate category. For example, images regarding missions should go into the mission category for that game. Just makes it easier to keep track of images and helps in the current task of re-naming images to a consistent format. Thank you. A-Dust 02:19, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

FBI Washington

Please note that only admins and managers can rename images, so it's necessary that an admin must have the image name changed before the image syntax can be changed in the article. Thanks. - ZS 10:59, January 26, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:ZS/Archive#Images.


How do you get your images of vehicles. I see how you could in GTA San Andreas, but not in the other GTA Era games.--Gta-mysteries 05:52, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Made use of hidden features in the games. Angle and picture quality are also important. - ZS 09:51, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by hidden features in the games? And did those two Mesa images, and the wrecked Idaho look better than what they would have on the TV monitor?--Gta-mysteries 19:24, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

One word: Replays. And unless you have hardware to screencap console games, you're always going to end up using a camcorder or a camera to take pictures, which almost certainly results in piss poor quality. That's the downside of using console games to take pictures.

Don't forget to optimize your graphic settings in the PC version GTASA. Use a "1280x1024x32" resolution. - ZS 09:56, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Could you take a look at these two images for me, and tell which one looks better in quality? --Gta-mysteries 00:16, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

File:Idaho-GTASA-wreck.jpg. And remember to turn on anti-aliasing as well. JPG pictures made from the game are blurry, and AA helps smooth that out a bit. - ZS 08:34, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I tried to turn on anti-aliasing but it won't do it. Do I have to do something else with the display to get it to work?

It might be a graphics card thing. Either your graphics card doesn't support AA (because it's old), or you need to find the newest driver for the graphics card. - ZS 19:18, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I think he's trying to change the setting by clicking. You use the mouse wheel then click to set it. Sorry if this wasn't the problem--Thescarydude 19:22, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Where would I find the newest driver?

If you know the model and make of your graphics card, you have no trouble Googling it. Just search for "driver (insert graphics card name)". You can find out the GC's name by accessing the System's properties in the Control Panel. Or ask around in GTAForums. - ZS 10:52, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

OK I got the anti-aliasing to work, what number do I set it to? 1, 2, or 3? Also does the higher number make it clearer. Also it slows down gameplay, is there anything to make it to where it doesn't do this?--Gta-mysteries 18:53, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

The higher the number, the better the AA. And it does slow down gameplay a bit, but only if you're running it on a computer that's around 3 years old or more. If it does reduce framerates, just turn on AA only when you want to take a picture; turn it off when you don't need it. - ZS 19:00, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--Gta-mysteries 19:29, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

One more thing, would it be wise to use widescreen, and do you need high visual fx quality?

Avoid widescreen. From what I've seen, the widescreen setting is usually meant for widescreen monitors (i.e. those that don't use 4:3 as opposed to 16:9); in reality, the actual number of pixels displayed is still the same, so screencapped images of a widescreen GTA game usually results in the images appearing thinner than usual. As for visual FX, usually you might want to make the most out of the game's graphical capabilities, although lower settings also means that you don't have to deal with blades of grass obstructing the tires of certain vehicles parked on an empty plain; also, vehicle shadows in lower visual FX do look better because it's darker than those in higher visual FX. It still depends on you though. Do you want better graphics (as intended by the developers), or better presentation? - ZS 19:56, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Well I finally got the hardware, I'm using Fraps, and I'm using a 1400x900 screen resolution. But for some reason blips on the Radar appear smaller but just the square ones. Why is that?

Not sure about that, I suppose it's the resolution. If you can go up to 1600x1200, it might work. Otherwise, scale down to 1280x1024. And 1400x900 is a widescreen resolution; it's not 4:3. - ZS 10:02, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that my laptop supports anti-aliasing. Does it only work on desktop computers?--Gta-mysteries 22:05, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Graphics card-related issue. Depends on which GC you're using. - ZS 09:24, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Are video cards things can come with your computer? Because I can't get any updates for mine, Intel (R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver for Mobile. So I'm going to try to switch to an Nvidia driver. --Gta-mysteries 23:01, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
And could you tell me what this is? It's those little lines or something. Is that the MIP mapping?--Gta-mysteries 20:52, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded Images

Patrol Invest Group Image

Imported from User talk:ZS#Reply: Patrol Invest Group.

This images of the security guards seems impossible to attain under normal mean, and it will mislead people into believing it functions in-game like a gang, because security guards never congregate in groups in the game but rather wander alone alongside conventional pedestrians. The reason Vice City Bikers isn't related is simply because its member can in fact appear in a rampage behaving like gangs, within the confines of the game's rules. Mods and cheats are only acceptable if they can portray scenes exactly as it is as if no cheats are used.

I put under the caption model swapping was used. And the reason the special characters skins weren't attained normally was because I couldn't get a close-up view of them as characters don't show up on replays, or you just couldn't get to them. I used model swapping for the Forelli Family too.--Gta-mysteries 12:04, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
It's not impossible. Look up the article again. - ZS 12:09, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
OK, but what about all the other NPCs that are hard to get pictures of?--Gta-mysteries 12:13, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned, it depends on whether or not it's impossible to attain them; as long as it isn't, anyone can take such pictures with patience. Health hacks and short distant jetpacks are also fine if it helps you reach a location where you can take an otherwise impossible image (i.e. the black Washington), but mods that visually affect the game are usually a no-no to me. But for now, most of these screenshots should be good enough, but most of them can be replaced sooner or later. - ZS 12:24, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Well I could replace some of them, like Lance in the VCPD uniform, but the image might be kind of slanted. And most of the time when I use/make mods it's already stuff that is in the game's files. Like the Cedar Ridge Observatory image I mixed the roads up to get a closer view of it. --Gta-mysteries 12:33, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
The observatory image is fine. As mentioned, if the modding doesn't get in the way of presentation, than should be OK. - ZS 17:37, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
Which ones are acceptable, so I know which ones to try to replace?--Gta-mysteries 18:12, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
You don't need to. With this factor out of the way, the present images should be acceptable and are good placeholders until better images are provided. There is no need to rush in this wiki. - ZS 18:25, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

The same can be said for the pedestrian images. Most of them have Tommy Vercetti's standing poses, which is unnatural. Why not have them appear in their normal environment? - ZS 11:56, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

On second thought, I'll take back what I said about the standing pose. It's the same for both Tommy Vercetti and everyone else, so some of these images are acceptable. - ZS 18:05, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


Please be advised that the PC version of GTA San Andreas has a lighting glitch on vehicles that occurs after persistent alt+tabs between applications, appearing to unrealistically shine upside down. There is no definite solution to this glitch, although the 1.1 patch does mitigate the problem. Try to avoid images like that next time around. On a side note, try to include anti-aliasing in the game when possible. - ZS 05:42, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Image:San Andreas HUD.jpg

Would it be possible to avoid a money counter that is nearly maxed out? It's very indicative of trainer being used, which is unnatural in the game. Several million dollars should be enough. - ZS 20:32, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

ZS, it's better on yours. |0ComeKillLah, Meh|Talk to me!| 13:01, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I used a video on youtube to get that version.--Gta-mysteries 04:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Image: HUD-GTASA.png

Imported from User talk:ZS#Image:HUD-GTASA.png

Is this HUD better than the others I made? I included some more icons on this one.--Gta-mysteries 19:35, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
Good enough for me, but the earlier lead image is more informative with the labels. You image is good for the gallery. - ZS 20:01, February 16, 2010 (UTC)


Mind reuploading this image? Some recent server update deleted the full image for some reason. - ZS 10:53, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

I just reuploaded it, and am doing the same for other images that got deleted too. --Gta-mysteries 04:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Metallic Red Bobcat.jpg

Could you provide the name of the mission where this Bobcat appears? And is this a reproduction Bobcat or one taken from the mission? - ZS 12:51, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

It was obtained from the mission Autocide.

License Templates & Categories

Imported from User talk:A-Dust#License Templates & Categories
I need to ask you, can you count artwork, and maps as screenshots, or should you leave the licensing section blank or replace it with something else? And with businesses, and weapons should they go into the general category or the more specific one or both? --Gta-mysteries 22:53, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Artworks aren't really screenshots but I think that there should be a copyright template for artworks, as they are still copyrighted images to Rockstar Games and Take-Two Interactive. I'll get to making a new template for them. As for businesses and weapons, I've think they should be in both the general and game specific categories, as both can appear in multiple games. A-Dust 00:07, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I start sorting them out if needed.--Gta-mysteries 00:13, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
Just to say that I think that images/files should be kept to the game specific categories, as they only represent the business as it appears in that game. This also keeps the images/files from each game separate, making it easier to sort through by game if, for example, there were to be an overhaul of one of the Business in GTA... articles. A-Dust 01:29, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
For images/files yes, but not for the articles themselves. A-Dust 01:38, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
For image names each time, much like they are for the images on the Burger Shot page. Example: File:BurgerShot-GTASA-Temple.jpg. A-Dust 22:53, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
The district name only needs to be used when, for example, businesses have shops in more than the one area. For example, Burger Shot has shops

across San Andreas, so there needs to be a way do differentiate between the stores. A-Dust 23:19, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it should. A-Dust 23:26, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

For music stores (such as Blob Music) use the Category:Music Stores category, with Category:Music being used for actual in-game music (such as Still Madd). Same for clothing. As for nightclubs and clubs, use Category:Nightclubs for nightclubs (such as Bahama Mamas) and Category:Clubs for clubs that aren't nightclubs (such as Salvatore's Gentlemen's Club). The radio stations and programs should be kept in the game categories (such as Category:Radio Stations in GTA III), as the Radio category should be for more general radio things (a category for the game specific categories as well as, for example, police radio). A-Dust 13:27, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

The copyright templates for the game, not the general one, should be used for all images. Many are from new users who are unaware of the game-specific copyright templates as they aren't an option when uploading an image, and there are some from before we introduced the new templates. And screenshots with copyrights shouldn't be used, whether they are from a video or not. You could try a different video without watermarks to see if you can get an image. A-Dust 22:39, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
Great job with getting the images sorted there. The images left can be left there. A-Dust 15:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

The modification template should be used for all modification images with something added to the template to say that some of the images may have copyrights to Rockstar Games and the modder. The Carcer City image should be use the main screenshot template for now as there aren't enough images to justify creating either a Manhunt template or a non-GTA template. A-Dust 01:23, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'd leave the middle section of the copyright templates as they are and the one modification template will do, no need to make any others. I see the credit for Rockstar Games and it would nice to credit the individual modder for the images on the file page, but it's not necessary and there's no need to add it to the template. A-Dust 01:57, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. A-Dust 02:00, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
They all look fine and thanks for doing all that. A-Dust 02:45, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Nice page:)

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I am ratman on the xbox360 and i hope to make the myth come true.Please don't think of me as a weirdo but i love these myths and i do doubt they are real but with a little imagination we can make them real,See you around the wiki :).Tommygunner32 22:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mission articles

Imported from User talk:A-Dust#Mission Layouts.
I do have some questions on how a mission article should be written. Should it first start with the infobox, then a brief description of the mission, location, and mission giver? Then a walkthrough, script, and gallery section?--Gta-mysteries 03:11, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
The layout for a mission articles should be like the ones used for the GTA Liberty City Stories ones, such as More Deadly Than the Male. Start with the mission template displaying all the information with an image if possible (at 300px). Then a brief description stating what game the mission is in, who it is for (protagonist) and who the mission is given by and where. Then a description of what happens under the heading Mission followed by the script and a reward section. A gallery should come next, if there are enough images, and then finally an external links section linking to a video of the mission. I have in the past mainly stuck with GTAmissions on YouTube for GTA III Era games. The walkthrough should be put onto a separate page, such as Key to Her Heart/Walkthrough. The mission page is designed to be a formal explanation of what happens during the mission, whilst the walkthrough can be more informal to help the player pass it. A-Dust 03:17, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
Like this--Gta-mysteries 03:34, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
Sort of. The part under 'The Mission' heading needs to be taken out of the article and moved to the walkthrough page as that is what it is. The names in the script need to be full. So Tommy Vercetti and Phil Cassidy, rather than just Tommy and Phil. And the headings need to have lower cases for the second words (example: External links instead of External Links). The main missions category should also not be used for missions. Missions are specific to one game and should be categorised into the game specific one, so in this instance Category:Missions in GTA Vice City. A-Dust 03:44, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it, and do all headings have the second word lowercase or just the external links?--Gta-mysteries 03:48, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
All heading titles should be in lower case. A-Dust 15:07, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
Should all of the missions in the basic category be removed?--Gta-mysteries 00:35, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yes they should. A-Dust 23:21, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
And do all missions need walkthroughs on a separate page?--Gta-mysteries 02:54, March 14, 2010 (UTC) (no reply)

RE: Categories

Imported from User talk:Masterpogihaha#Categories.
I need to ask you something, are there any differences in the three categories:Police, Law Enforcement, and Police Departments?--Gta-mysteries 05:44, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
First off, once you have read this, please remove the categories on my talk page. My talk page would fall under those categories. Next time, when you want to type a category, place a colon before the word "category"; that way, the article where you want to type it on would not fall on those categories. For example, " :Category:Vehicles". Look at A-Dust's reply above for a better example. Now, for the difference between the three categories. Law Enforcement includes Military, FBI, and other groups which enforce the law. Police only refers to anything related to cops, like their vehicles, police groups (e.g. C.R.A.S.H.) and other stuff. Police Departments are specifically the departments working for a specific area (like San Fierro Police Department); so there is a difference. Masterpogihaha 05:53, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing you need to know about emulated games...

If you haven't noticed already, the emulator doesn't render the radar and pop-up text right. This is one of the reasons I've avoided taking actual in-game screenshots, because PCSX2 is not perfect rendering everything in the game. The same applies for GTAVCS. Of course, the PSP emulator option is there, if you have the PSP version. - ZS 11:26, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

English spelling

Lines 1-3 imported from User talk:Gboyers#GTA Wikia.
I was just wondering how there is a recent contributors tab at the bottom of each page, along with a recent activity board on the main page, but this is the only wiki to have it. Could you tell me? --Gta-mysteries 22:56, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hi. American English is not any more "correct" than British English, so please do not go around changing text from one to the other. Especially talk pages, since those are a record of the words of the person who wrote them, not what should have been said. You can read more in the style guide. Gboyers talk 23:08, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that I wasn't paying attention to the that. Usually when I see a red line under a word I correct it. Again sorry.--Gta-mysteries 23:13, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Observatory image

Imported from User talk:A-Dust#A Favor.
You being an admin, do you think you could do me a favor? Could you undelete the image File:Cedar Ridge Observatory (GTA3).png long enough for me to get it on my computer? Thanks.--Gta-mysteries 21:30, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

The File:Cedar Ridge Observatory (GTA3).png|file]] has been restored. A-Dust 23:49, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I needed that, and I have it on my computer now if you want to delete it.--Gta-mysteries 23:53, March 9, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:A-Dust#Finishing Business Sections.
I have an idea on how to get all of the businesses in each game. I don't know if it's a good one, but would it be better to use images of them in all the places they appear in, instead of having all of the separate articles? --Gta-mysteries 02:41, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought that each business should have their own article, but I know that others, including Gboyers, have in the past disagreed with this. However, the idea for the wiki is to be inclusionist and there should be no reason for this not to extend to businesses. There should, however, also be the lists included on the main pages (Businesses in GTA III), similar to Characters in GTA San Andreas, giving information and links to the main article. A-Dust 02:45, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

So use a table on them, like on the Businesses in GTA Vice City page?--Gta-mysteries 02:49, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes but without the businesses with articles section. If all businesses have an article there is no need for that section. There is also the option of a table format, such as Characters in GTA San Andreas. A-Dust 03:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
Should it be something like this?--Gta-mysteries 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. Yes that's fine, although another column stating the locations of each store could be a useful addition to a table. A-Dust 02:27, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Could you take a look at the page again and tell me if that's right? And should the type of business heading be removed and put in the chart?--Gta-mysteries 02:48, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
That's fine, but the first column seems rather empty with the addition of the image. The two could always be combined, by adding <br>'''Businesses name here''' after the image. And yes, eventually there would be no need for the categories as that could be added into the location section. A-Dust 03:33, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Got it, but what about the businesses that have articles? Should those go into the chart too?--Gta-mysteries 02:33, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes they should. A-Dust 02:38, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Should they be alphabetized or in order according to type? And I think I'll start with GTA3 on my sandbox.--Gta-mysteries 22:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Preferrably alphabetised. I've had a look at your sandbox and you could condense the information into two columns. One with the image and name of the company and the other for information (for example, location, what type of business, owners (if known), etc.). A-Dust 02:08, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Brotherhood of the PS3

Imported from User talk:Black Artist#Reply.
You play on the PS3?-Black Artist 01:16, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
Yes I play on the PS3. Why do you ask?--Gta-mysteries 01:17, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
I was gonna ask for your PSN.--Black Artist 21:39, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
I tried getting PSN a while back and FXX tried helping me, but I couldn't get my internet connection on it. Could you help me with it too?--Gta-mysteries 02:37, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

FXX is a friend of mine. I'd be happy to help. First, what type of internet are you using? Wireless or Wired, and with what Company? --User:Black Artist 09:40, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I have a wireless connection. As for the company I'm not sure.--Gta-mysteries 21:12, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Have you made sure both your router AND modem are working properly? Green light and everything. I would try unpluging and repluging everything. Sorry if this sounds basic, but I did the same thing when my internet was being stupid. User:Black Artist 21:20, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes they are all hooked up correctly.--Gta-mysteries 21:22, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

When you fire up your PS3 and go to Network Settings, Then Internet Connection Test, what is the problem? User:Black Artist 21:26, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
It has the wrong internet connection, and it says it the access point was not detected.--Gta-mysteries 21:33, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Go to Network Settings, and try to see where the problem of occurs. Go to easy, and make sure that the internet doesn't have any security on it for now.--User:Black Artist 21:38, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
OK this is what I've done Network Settings > I started to setup a connection > Easy > then do I go to Scan, Enter Manually, or Automatic?--Gta-mysteries 21:44, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Scan. You should find the name of whatever wireless router you have, if you did give it a name when you first installed it. After you do that, keep picking easy or automatic for everything else.... --Black Artist 21:47, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Whats the WPA Key?--Gta-mysteries 21:52, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

A type of security. If your router has security on it, then you'll need to input the password that the installer created, (i think). To bypass this, simply log into your router page on your PC and remove the security settings so its "none".--Black Artist 21:58, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for Promotion

Hi. You have been nominated by User:A-Dust to become Staff on Grand Theft Wiki. Please visit your promotion page to accept/reject the nomination and answer the provided questions. A decision will be made once users have had a chance to ask further questions and issue their opinion. Thanks - Gboyers talk 15:32, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Image Conversions

Lines 1-4 imported from User talk:ZS#Image Conversions, and line 6 imported from User talk:Chris Louch#RE: Image Conversions.
Could you delete all my images that use the PNG format. I'm starting to use JPG, and they look better than they did before. Thanks --Gta-mysteries 16:01, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Duly noted. It's only a matter of how fast I'll come across these images. - ZS 16:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, well should I tag them for deletion?--Gta-mysteries 16:07, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Not really, unless you immediately have replacement. But as mentioned, this matter is important, but it's not urgent. - ZS 11:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Man If You Want Help Converting Some Images Just Leave Me A Message I Got Nothing Else To Do With My Time -Chris Louch 21:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I pretty much have it done. I have a list on my use page of all the ones I'm through with.--Gta-mysteries 21:46, March 14, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:A-Dust#Mule images.
You know how on the Mule page there is a section for variations that sport businesses on the trucks? Should this be done for all the games, or were those just extra?--Gta-mysteries 00:46, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
I should think that the companies section was something added as something extra for that page alone but I can't see why it couldn't be used on other articles. A-Dust 02:05, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

GTA III mission images

Imported from User talk:A-Dust#GTA3 Mission Screenshots
I'm re-doing all of the mission screenshots starting with GTA 3. And I was wondering if the smaller blips on the radar would make a difference in the appearance.--Gta-mysteries 01:23, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
No it isn't a problem. A-Dust 01:36, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Panorama Shots

Imported from User talk:ZS#Panorama Shots.
Besides the emulators, I do need help with something else. I'm trying to get a full panorama shot of Upstate in GTA III. But I don't know how. Could you help me with this too? This is what I have so far.--Gta-mysteries 06:42, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
See "Creating great panoramas" and "How to Create Photo Panorama For Free Using Autostitch". Search engines are your friends. - ZS 08:14, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
Whenever you make one do you use wide shots or close-up shots and use stitching?--Gta-mysteries 19:23, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
Depends. Stitching is usually only necessary when the scenery you want to screencap is too wide for regular methods, but it's more time consuming to do. It's usually more advisable to use wide shots when possible, and leave stitched shot as a last resort. - ZS 19:45, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Could you tell me if this looks right I made a panorama shot of Cochrane Dam?

A bit crooked in the lower middle side. If there is no workaround though, this image is OK. Remember to use better quality JPG. - ZS 10:34, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


First line imported from User talk:GTA4LIFE#Emulators, and lines 2-21 imported from User talk:ZS#Emulators.
Do you know how to use emulators for the PS2?--Gta-mysteries 00:15, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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I need to ask you, which emulator did you use for GTA LCS, and GTA VCS? Is it PCXS2? And to get images of cars do you use FPV of one vehicle for another with the HUD, and radar turned off? --Gta-mysteries 23:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
PCXS2. It's the only stable emulator available (although the poor frame rate management makes it very unusable for actual gameplay in these games). And yes, that's the only way I was able to achieve this look. FPV on motorcycles tend to work best because of their compact size; I tend to use a Faggio because its FPV height is the most optimum, allows me to lean forward and backward, is the smallest available vehicle. Any vehicle that is larger will require a Sanchez. Otherwise, I'll opt for trucks with a higher FPV camera position. - ZS 07:57, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
I though that you would have to use a bigger vehicle for a smaller vehicle to try to get a good angle. And to play the game do you need to insert the game disc into the disc drive, or does it already come with the emulator once all the parts are with it?--Gta-mysteries 08:11, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
That will only apply for bikes only. Regular cars seem to be suitable, although cars with long bodies may end up pushing the bikes out of the way if driven too close for a large shot. And yes, I have to insert the disk into the computer's drive. The emulator was downloaded seperately. - ZS 08:17, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Can you tell me what naplink is? I was reading the instructions and it said I had to connect my computer with my PS2 with naplink. It also said something about a USB cord. --Gta-mysteries 08:24, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
From what I'm reading, it seems to be a program that allows you to download programs from the Internet into the PS2. - ZS 08:26, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
So with this I won't need my PS2 as long as the game download is on my computer? And if not, is this something I need?--Gta-mysteries 08:28, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
You just need to pop the game's DVD into the PC's drive and PCXS2 should do the rest. I don't recall needing Naplink for this. - ZS 08:41, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
I hope so, because I've seen all the files, and everything, and it seems like a hard thing to do. Would It be the same as using an Eyetoy.--Gta-mysteries 08:46, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Never has been an easy thing to do. I wish you the best of luck on this. - ZS 08:47, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks--Gta-mysteries 08:48, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
I do have another question about this, can an emulator mess up your computer or your game console?--Gta-mysteries 09:00, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
That's just bullocks. The worst that can happen is the emulator crashing and closing itself. - ZS 09:03, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
OK, now I feel better about doing this.--Gta-mysteries 09:05, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering why the radar, and the mission passed text had the block around it.--Gta-mysteries 20:31, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned, you can give the PSP version a go. Probably harder though if you resort to legal means. - ZS 20:33, March 8, 2010 (UTC):
Is the PSP version illegal? If it is I think I'll stick with the PS2 version without using it for missions. They can be found by official screenshots, or videos, but don't seem that important as vehicles, or the city, and things like that. It would seem small rendering is a small price to pay for playing the games on the PC.--Gta-mysteries 20:39, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Could you help me with the installation? Does it work with Windows Vista 32-Bit? And all the files are separate aren't they?--Gta-mysteries 05:54, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
Which installation? - ZS 10:53, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
The installation of the bios, and the plugins. Could you tell me which files you need to have?--Gta-mysteries 21:15, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
You'll need the BIOS from the actual console. It's a bit complicated considering you need to "dump" the BIOS using specialized tools (I happen to have a PS2 to do this legally). See here. - ZS 17:00, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


Corporal.png I am an Administrator of Grand Theft Wiki - ask me for help

Congratulations. Due to the overwhelming support for your promotion, I have promoted you to Administrator directly. This means you can now protect/move/delete/undelete pages; suspend/block users; patrol and revert edits. Please go carefully at first, until you are familiar with the tools and processes, and please ask me if you have any questions about anything. Check out the staff section of Tasks to see what sort of things you can now help with, and keep your eye on the Staff Noticeboard for updates. Gboyers talk 10:06, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Let me be the second to congratulate you for being promoted. It's only been like, what, less than a year (judging from the date you joined), and you've already been promoted to sysop. It just so means that your great number of edits is appreciated by the wiki, and others already think that you can, how shall I put this, "run" the wiki well. Good job. That is, indeed, a feat. Continue to edit well. :) Masterpogihaha 10:18, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for this, I really do appreciate being promoted.--Gta-mysteries 19:23, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Moving GTA1, and GTA2 images

Imported from User talk:ZS#RE: Moving GTA1, and GTA2 images.

I noticed you decided to get started moving images of GTA1 vehicles, but I must advice you to check for links to other articles, particularly articles on individual vehicles (i.e. Stinger). The reason I left these particular games out is because it's generally more energy consuming than images of vehicles in GTA III and later; these games don't display every image of vehicles in their "List of vehicles in..." articles. I was putting it off until I'm done with the last of the images in GTA4 and GTACW. - ZS 20:29, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

And don't forget to replace {{gtaiv screenshot}} with {{GTAIV screenshot}} (I'm considering deleting the former). - ZS 20:31, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you meant on my talk page. Do you mean Instead of working first on the vehicles in GTA 1 page I should change the syntax first on the individual vehicle name? And I do need help on the names ti which move them to. Do I include all capital letters, and hypens or what? Like F-19 (GTA1).png moved to F-19-GTA1.png or F19-GTA1.png.--Gta-mysteries 20:37, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. It helps to plan ahead with the articles. I usually edit multiple pages simultanously when shifting images. And I usually retain symbols (i.e. apostrophes, hyphens, exclamation points, etc.) and capitalizations (or the lack thereof) in the names in order to retain some indication of the spelling's accuracy, or whether or not the name is official.
Anyway, I'll just deal with the images of vehicles. I'm nearly done with GTA4 and GTACW vehicles. - ZS 20:43, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Help

Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Help, line 12 imported from User talk:A-Dust#Help 3.

I need some help involving deleting/renaming images, and pages. For the pages I deleted the GTA_Sanandreas_Myths,_Bigsmokes_Ghost page twice because the information from a duplicate of another page, and because it should have been in the myth section. And with the images if there is a replacement should I delete the old one and add the new version in? When renaming an image I need help with it if it has any punctuation like apostrophes, and signs, or hyphens.--Gta-mysteries 01:24, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

If there are two pages with the same information, you should only keep one. Keep the biggest/oldest one, because that will have the most accurate edit history (showing who added what). You can copy the information from the new/small page in, delete that page, then move the original to whatever name is best. Do NOT ever move a page by copying & pasting the contents, because it gets rid of all the edit history. With images, you can upload over the top of an existing image - replacing the image without having to delete it and then upload a new one. This is the best way, because it lets us see what has changed. If there are two images with the same content, delete one. If you ever delete an image, remember to go to every page that links to it, and change them to use the correct image (or remove the image code entirely). As for image names, try and follow the convention of File:SubjectName-GAME-description.jpg - the description is only where multiple images have the same subject+game, such as different views/colours/types (ie File:Comet-GTA4-rear.jpg). And please don't change the default site skin :) Gboyers talk 01:42, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

So with the Armed Land Roamer page the image:Armed Land Roamer.jpg should be overwritten with the image: Armed Land Roamer (GTA2).png?--Gta-mysteries 01:49, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
If you have a better image, you just click "Upload a new version of this file" which is on that page. That will upload a new image to File:Armed Land Roamer.jpg. You should then move the image page to the correct file name (to match our new naming rules), which should be File:ArmedLandRoamer-GTA2.jpg - Make sense? Gboyers talk 01:54, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Got it, but what about the GTASA vehicles. The first ones were PS2, and then ZS redid those with PC. Should those be left alone?--Gta-mysteries 01:56, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
We should always try to have the best-looking images that best show the vehicle, what it looks like, and what is unique about it. If you have a PC version and can take better screenshots than we already have from a console, then it might be good to get some better images. We do NOT need to go through and change everything to the PC version just because it's newer, and we don't need a different image for every PC/PS2 version, because usually there is no difference. If there is a difference which you want to show on the page, then by all means upload a second image (name one -PS2.jpg and one -PC.jpg). If there is only one, we don't need to say whether it's PC or PS2 in the name (but a comment on the image page would be good). Also, pages like GTA Sanandreas Myths, Bigsmokes Ghost might not be useful articles, but if people have put effort into writing essays/opinion like that, you can move it to the Forum, and just add {{forumheader|GTA}} at the top. Gboyers talk 02:02, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Just to add with image names, try and keep it simple. Usually you only need a subject and game - for example File:Diablos-GTAIV.jpg. If you need multiple images of the Diablos gang in GTA IV, then you can distinguish between them by adding an extra word - such as File:Diablos-GTAIV-man.jpg, File:Diablos-GTAIV-woman.jpg, File:Diablos-GTAIV-group.jpg, File:Diablos-GTAIV-hideout.jpg. Gboyers talk 02:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
An example of the PS2/PC the Ghost. The Ghost is black in the PC/Xbox, and blue in the PS2 version. Like that? And I see how it could be moved but when I looked at it most of it was copied from the Big Smoke article. So should this be restored and moved to a forum or added into the myths page?--Gta-mysteries 02:08, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Ghost is a good example of when you'd want two images (since there is a big difference). So just like the article has now, you would have one ending in -PC and one ending in -PS2 (the "recreation" part is unnecessary). Since that article had just been copied, you can leave it. But if someone has written about their opinion or asked a question, it's easier to move it to the forum than argue about it. Don't forget to ALWAYS explain why you delete something - at the very least leave an edit summary. If someone has put a lot of effort in, it's polite to leave a message on their talk page. If you don't, then they will often scream at you and leave abusive messages everywhere and maybe even go on a rampage and start vandalising things. It happens quite a lot, so try and just be friendly and explain that the content already existed on page X (and say they can edit that page), or that it's not really relevant enough for the wiki, so they should post it on the Forum, in a sub-page of their user page, or on a different wiki. Gboyers talk 02:20, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Blocking is at your discretion - there is no precise rule. You need to make a judgement based on the seriousness of what they did, the likelihood of them doing it again (immediately, frequently, or in the long-term), and the benefit of removing them from the wiki (temporarily or permanently). Swearing on its own is not usually worthy of a block, unless they ignore staff requests to stop, or if they do it LOTS . If someone has been in a fight, then a short block (1-3 days) can stop the fight without causing them to leave the wiki completely. If someone has been ignoring staff, getting in big/multiple edit wars, or has general bad behaviour, a medium-length block (1 week - 3 months) might be appropriate. If they are a regular misbehaver who has repeatedly ignored or abused staff, or if they are a real user who has vandalised etc, then a long block (1 year) is enough to keep them away, but allow them to return in the future when they have maybe calmed down and matured. If they are a spammer, proven to be abusing multiple accounts, then an infinite block is necessary. Remember that if you block their IP address, you might be blocking an entire school, not just one person. That is good for short blocks, or to block spam/ad bots, but not good for long blocks of vandals (who are likely to be in a school). These are just guidelines - make your own decision, but seriously don't be afraid to ask Staff for their input into any decision. I'm very pleased that you are asking questions as well as trying to work out the answer, rather than just getting it wrong. You can see Special:BlockList if you want to see some examples. Gboyers talk 03:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
After I deleted that page I left a message on Creeksides20985's talk page. I said if he/she wanted I could undelete to move it or get information from it. Oh, and considering breaking rules such as swearing, could you tell me how many warnings one could get before a block. I asked you this because Black Artist used swearing and I undid it, and left a message on his talk page.--Gta-mysteries 02:26, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
I am working on the wanted files, and I've got them down to two, and I was wondering can I remove the links if their on talk pages. And one of them is on a page I cannot edit. Oh, and thanks for nominating me for Staff, I like having extra tools, and responsibility. --Gta-mysteries 01:23, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
With regards to wanted files, you can edit people's talk pages/messages to remove dead links. However, you should be careful to only remove the link syntax - you should never alter the text or meaning of their comment. Either change the link into plain text or wrap it in <code> tags, such as File:Charactersfromgta4.jpg - Gboyers talk 01:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Modding Template

Imported from User talk:A-Dust#Modding Template.
Would it be a good idea to use a more specific category for the modification template just like with the screenshots? I've added in a source syntax for it, and was wondering if one template could be used to auto-categorize something instead of making more templates, or manually adding in categories.--Gta-mysteries 00:19, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think there is a need just yet but remember, as a member of staff you can also make decisions yourself. A-Dust 00:27, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
That didnt really make sense. Surely {{modification}} should be for articles about mods, and {{mod screenshot}} would be for screenshots of mods. As for an screenshot template-template, I absolutely agree. I've updated {{screenshot}} for this purpose. Gboyers talk 01:29, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:T-888#RE: Trainers.
How does one use a trainer...I do not understand...T-888 12:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
To use a trainer you must have the trainer, the keys.dat file, and the sample.g3l file. These are stored in the corresponding game directory. Then run the game, then the trainer. These have hotkeys or shortcuts you use like tab+1 for armor and so on.


Imported from User talk:Killa boy#RE: Help.

Apparanetly I am suppose to ask you for help i dont know how to use the tools like adding the smiley faces you know the rebut template in the gripes page I need a lot of help. -Killa boy 08:54, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Using smiley faces I think is for things discussed on the GTA IV Gripes and it's subpages. I've never really used those though. For smiley faces use {{Rebut}} or {{Gripe}} for angry faces. And really it's just an automated message, but I am here to help you, so if you have any more questions just ask me.--Gta-mysteries 09:00, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

No i meant how do I make them I know when to use them. -Killa boy 20:49, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't completely understand what you mean. Do you mean templates like that or what?--Gta-mysteries 03:23, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind I just relised how to do what I was asking you about sorry about bothering you. -Killa boy 10:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Are you referring to the green box that reads "thanks for your edit on this page could you edit these pages:". If this is the case it can be fixed via your preferences.--Gta-mysteries 05:23, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I keep on getting messages on my email about the pages I edited or just pressed edit page how I do I stop them. -Killa boy 05:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this has ever happened to me before. What exactly does the message look like.--Gta-mysteries 05:28, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

No I mean I get a message saying somepage name has been edited by user whatever their name is in my e-mails alot. -Killa boy 05:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean a like an e-mail message someone sent you, or the orange box that appears on the screen, that says you have new messages.--Gta-mysteries 05:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a normal e-mail. -Killa boy 05:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think I know what it's talking about try checking your watchlist.--Gta-mysteries 05:45, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

It says it was sent by gta wikia and there's nothing else about it that seems different then a normal e-mail. -Killa boy 05:42, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

So how do I edit my watchlist. -Killa boy 05:46, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Go to your watchlist, and then go to the pages on it. Once your on that page you should see a button that says "unwatch" or "watch" up where the toolbar is. And as you probably know these are just for pages you feel you should keep a close eye on.--Gta-mysteries 05:48, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. -Killa boy 05:51, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance.--Gta-mysteries 05:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Can I use my account on other wikis. -Killa boy 11:16, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, once you register on one wiki, it can be used for every other one. Oh, and please refrain from making verbal comments on other user's talk pages. Thanks.--Gta-mysteries 17:15, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about making the comments. -Killa boy 21:16, April 17, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Mission walkthroughs.

On all of the mission articles you say that videos should embed rather than just links. If there is a video walkthrough, should there be a written walkthrough to? And should scripts be on separate pages as well? --Gta-mysteries 23:15, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Good question. Videos should be embedded into the main article, unless there are lots of them. Text walkthroughs should be big sub-pages with a summary/overview on the main article, unless they are short. Walkthroughs should have images and even edited maps (to show race/chase routes, enemy locations, escape routes etc). Transcripts should be sub-pages, unless they are really short. Every mission page should have a one-paragraph overview, even if it has walkthroughs/videos/transcripts. Gboyers talk 23:58, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Roman's death

I added in Roman's page that His death is "non canonical".

LATD VS Gay Tony

In terms of content and location size, which is better. Keep in mind I do not own GTA 4. Im just going to buy one of these on PSN. Please Help!!!!!N-10 Aden 02:01, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well I don't own either, I only have GTA IV, for the PS3. And in my opinion based on what I've seen from movies on Youtube, I would have to say TBOGT. Hope this helps. --Gta-mysteries


in TLAD is there a way to get terrys gun van so that the weapons are free

A great mistake in Jim Fitzgerald page

I had accidently taken out the pink part of the the Jim Fitzgerald page that had valuable information. Sorry about that, hope that you or someone can help with that. :-( Seasabotuer 08:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Texture images

Imported from User talk:ZS#Texture images.

You might want to try moving some of these images to the left side of the page in order to give existing images some room to breathe (unless the page has no images to begin with), the reason being that it'll help to prevent images from stacking and resulting in a disorganized page which images are not aligned to the sections they are assigned to. If you have any other questions regarding this issue, contact me. - ZS 12:02, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

This approach is only suitable when you only have an image of a sign and an image of something else, like that of the location. Stacking two images is fine only if their subject matter is the same and their thumbnail lengths are nearly the same or equal. Otherwise, having one small image over a larger one looks awkward, especially when thumbnail borders ("|thumb|" parameter) are used. And placing the logo on the left still allows it to serve as a lead image, because it's still, in essence, at the top of the page.
The thing is though, some of these textures are redundant, especially signage that only spell out the location without any additional slogans, or signs that are already very much visible in the image of the location. But I'll let all this pass. - ZS 19:35, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
I could see how some of those images may be useless such as the businesses. I was going to add those onto the businesses page when ready, but what if the images are the same length with the border of a thumbnail even though you can't use a caption? It did look better on the Burger Shot page. Oh, and this isn't related to these textures but I found a new method of getting images from GTA San Andreas by the camera. Also out of curiosity might I ask when you are active. I've noticed that you are from about 4:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m in my time zone, although it may be different.--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 19:50, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Most of these texture images will still be too big when enlarged to adapt to some of the second images. Again, this left-right setup applies when you have an image of the texture and another subject. Again, these images are still fine, as long as it doesn't hinder presentation. And That's roughly the time period I'll be around, but I won't be available all the time because I got crap to do IRL. - ZS 19:59, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto IV True ending

The true ending of GTA IV is the one wo Kate dies in the wedding of Roman and Mallorie! The ending gives more drama to the Storyline dont you think?

Pictures for the Site

Imported from User talk:Black Artist#Images.

Mysteries, could you do me a favor? I need two to three pictures for some pages. One is of an Asian girl who is dancing in purple dress around Elizabeta in the TLAD mission Buyer's Market. She appears again in the TBOGT mission Boulevard Baby, entering Maisonette 9 and having sex with Luis. I’m creating a page about her and want people to see her in both places. The other pic I need is of Luis doing the Champagne Drinking Contest, preferably a pic where he’s jugging the bottle. Make them high rez as possible, if you can. Thanks.--User:Black Artist 10:33, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, as much as I would like to help, I can't. Mainly because I don't have TLAD, or TBOGT. But if there's any images you need on older games let me know. --Gta-mysteriesTalk page 19:25, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Plan on buying it anytime soon? Gotta keep up with the latest GTA games, man! --User:Black Artist 20:10, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah but when is that? I'll have to get it for the PS3.--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 23:19, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Uh, it's for the PC too; came out last week. Don't you have one? --User:Black Artist 23:49, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I have it for the PC but I can't play it. And I thought it was also for the PS3?--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 23:50, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I got it the day it came out for the PS3. But I don't have any capture equipment. --User:Black Artist 23:55, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I could get it, and I have a digital camera to screencap it. You may have seen the results of mine aren't as bad as the others though.Gta-mysteries

Wait, any digital camera can take pics for the site?----User:Black Artist 00:03, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah any camera can, as long as you have the right equipment.--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 00:05, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Manager Position Open

Hey. I think its time that GTW promoted a new Manager (bureaucrat). This user would mostly be a "lead admin", coordinating the efforts of the other admins, making sure all the little jobs get done, and making sure the site's organisation works properly. I thought I'd give you the opportunity to put your name forward. If you would like to be considered, please nominate yourself. Thanks! Gboyers talk 00:36, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but one problem/I know something that could help

Imported from User talk:Addicted2gta#Image Help.

If you still need help inserting images in the infobox I can help you. First edit the page then at the top you should see {{infobox character |name = Frank Tenpenny |image = FrankTenpenny-GTASA.jpg. Insert your image's code into the "image" parameter. But since there is already an image of him, try uploading a new version of the file, if it is the same file type that is.--Gta-mysteries 22:54, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I thank you for the help, but the problem is that I cant figure out the code for the image I have, it is a differant image than the current one but I cant figure out the code or where to upload it on the page. - Addicted2gta 23:11, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Is the image already on the site, or is it on your computer? If it's already on the site then what is the name. If it's on your computer, and you don't know how to upload it see here.

I couldn't really understand the instructions you gave me, but I thought if a gallery was added to the article Frank Tenpenny, with the simple 'add a photo to this gallery' option underneath I could do that, find out the code on source mode and paste it into the image part of the infrobox. That might help. - Addicted2gta 23:24, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

And if you want just upload the photo and I can insert it myself, then you could look at the page to see how to do it.--Gta-mysteries 23:33, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

I just found a user that changed all the content of Tenpenny to something inapropriate. See for yourself and revert the edits if you can. Addicted2gta 23:26, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

For a gallery section you should use the code below:, and the revision has been reverted.

<gallery> </gallery>

Crazy user changed Tenpenny again and changed San Juan SoundsI just told the manager something should be done Immediatly, so this revisions need to be revertied. Also I at least describe the picture, Tenpenny is armed with a combat shotgun during End of the Line I think I can give the link to it Addicted2gta 23:38, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

We won't have to worry about the user anymore he has been blocked for 2 days. Really you don't have to inform the manager, you can fix the innapropriate content by undoing it. You seem to be someone who would fight vandalism, and that's good. Oh, and do you have the link to your image? --Gta-mysteries 00:00, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


If it dosen't work then sorry I'll tell you the steps how to find it. To upload, it save it to your computer/laptop and use the simple uploader to upload it from your file to the wiki. and yeah i do want to help removed vandlism from this wiki, one day I'd hope to become a member of staff like other users who nominate themselves. Addicted2gta 00:06, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

The image has been replaced if you want to see it click this link. If it's alright I edited it a little bit. And if there's anoything else you need help with ask me.--Gta-mysteries 00:15, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Pages Archives

Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Talk Pages Archives.

I was just wondering when do I know when to archive a talk page?--Gta-mysteries 01:35, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

If it's your own user page, you can archive it whenever you want. I archive mine when it reaches around 50 sections, but it's entirely personal preference. For actual article talk pages, I would probably advise doing this at 50 sections. However, you may find it is better to archive logical parts of it - for example if there is one big discussion (such as Talk:Karen/spoilers), move that to a subpage instead of archiving the whole thing. Gboyers talk 02:44, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as how I almost at 50 that will be my archive number. To archive it do you move it with the suppression of a redirect? -Gta-mysteries

Yes, you should move the page to preserve its history. Make sure you do not also "move subpages". Don't supress the redirect, as that will be a good first-edit of the new talk page (which you can then edit). I would also recommend you copy the last couple of messages onto the new talk page, so that you can continue any ongoing discussions (and so it doesn't look too empty). I choose to protect my archives to prevent them being altered (so they are an accurate record of what people said), but you may choose to let people edit them (to remove red links etc). Gboyers talk 03:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Gta 4 main antagonist

Can I edit in Pegorino's page that He is the main antagonist of GTA 4 not Dimitri? because He is the one wo is killed in the ending instead of Dimitri.

....Did you ever think that the ending might have been different if you picked deal? Mrpengo88 05:21, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Dimitri is antagonist for most of the game. Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 05:24, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Templates, and Galleries

Imported from User talk:Bluesboyjr#Templates, and Galleries.
Hi, I want to give you some help. I've seen your deletion templates on pages. And while those do need deletion could you use the {{Prod}} instead of {{Delete}} the proposed deletion is better than the other one since it's for more urgent things like vandalism. Oh, and when you need to use a gallery for a see also section on file pages use <gallery>Image:file name here</gallery> instead of the thumbnail. But other than that everything else seems good. --Gta-mysteries 00:42, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
Rightio, thanks. But, to be honest, the thumbnail thing was mainly me being lazy. :3 Bluesboyjr 21:48, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Baillie Station

Imported from User talk:Bluesboyjr#Baillie Station, first line imported from User talk:ZS#Baillie Station.

I need to ask you something, is the Portland EL station in Saint Mark's named Baillie Station, or Baille Station. The reason I ask you this, is Bluesboyjr, and I are having a discussion regarding the name whether is should be renamed or not.--Gta-mysteries 19:49, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Is Baillie Station really correct instead of Baille Station?--Gta-mysteries 21:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Almost certainly. I'm playing LCS right now, and when riding on the Portland El, it says "NEXT STOP: BAILLIE STATION". Plus, it would make sense as that is how Keiran Baillie's surname is spelt in the GTA III manual, and the other two Portland El stations are also named after GTA III developers. Bluesboyjr 21:37, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Which version of GTAIII do you have, the PS2, PC, or Xbox? And the version of GTA LCS.--Gta-mysteries 21:53, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I got the name of the station from the PS2 version of LCS. I got the developer's name from the manual of the PS2 Grand Theft Auto Double Pack version of GTA III. Bluesboyjr 21:59, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it is Baillie instead of Baille. I checked the instruction manual of mine (PC) it doesn't say anything. Yours didn't say any names in GTA III did it?--Gta-mysteries 22:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Station names were only given while riding the train in LCS. Bluesboyjr 22:57, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Consistency 2

Imported from User talk:ZS#Consistency 2.
There's something that's been troubling me. I started to rename the images for missions in GTA IV, and I got stuck. the image names don't look correct with GTA4 at the end as opposed to GTAIV. Like Image:TheCousinsBellic-GTA4, the first one is easy but then the next one Image:TheCousinsBellic-GTA42. Do you think it would better with GTAIV2, and also puncuation marks are kind of difficult to me to, as well as some capitalization.--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 18:36, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
Give it a basic description at the end (i.e. adding "-driving" or "-shootout"; example). I used to do this for certain mission images until A-Dust went ahead using numbers to distinguish these images instead. I never really understood his reasoning of it. - ZS 18:46, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
So like Image:TheGetaway-GTAIII5.jpg moved to TheGetaway-GTAIII-passed.jpg. And should the images be re-named again or left alone. - Gta-mysteries
I'm not so fond of renaming existing images at this time; A-Dust may not like that. I just apply this naming system for newly uploaded images. - ZS 18:54, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
Alright thanks, this helps.--Gta-mysteries 18:57, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Other Things

Imported from User talk:ZS/Archive#Other Things.
  • Do you use a PSP for GTA LCS and GTA VCS.
  • Whenever I screen cap something for a mission how do I know what is most important.
  • Do you have a Desktop Computer or a Laptop.

Gta-mysteries 06:06, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

He may also use a PS2 for GTA: LCS and GTA: VCS. --0ComeKillLah 12:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
  1. What 0ComeKillLah said.
  2. Cutscenes where key elements of the missions are present are usually more important; gameplay aspects may be used more conservatively when illustrating important parts of the mission (i.e. shootouts, chases, or any core gameplay like Burglary). Scenes where the player drives from one point to another is usually avoided unless there are interesting dialog or events.
  3. Desktop.
- ZS 12:21, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Gta-mysteries other questions

Imported from User talk:ZS/Archive#Gta-mysteries other questions.

Could you look at these pictures and tell me what you think of them. And what kind of hardware do you use for LCS, and VCS as far as vehicles go? --Gta-mysteries 00:50, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

These are my last questions on vehicles and others.

Where's the shading? Was the brightness set to the highest possible setting? Normally it should be set in medium. And try to avoid having rolling drops of water on screen in GTA Vice City. - ZS 14:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
PS2 version. Used emulators. - ZS 14:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Which file format should I use for the images? And is a PNG file better than JPG?

Use the jpg image, and save it in 80 quality, not 60. The thumbnail looks messed up as a result. - ZS 11:38, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
And I must ask. Did you actually acquired the "black" vehicles from the missions themselves, or simply used a garage editor to spawn vehicles with custom colors? Most of the vehicles are not obtainable in missions, and the images give false hope. - ZS 11:41, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
How do I save it in 80 quality?--Gta-mysteries 06:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Use an advanced graphics editing tool or image optimizer. I'm not sure about the latter because I've been using ImageReady for years. - ZS 07:57, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Really I enabled the black traffic cheat, and found the vehicles that were from the missions. I already completed the game and I didn't want to start over. And for some reason on the Trial By Dirt missions the Haitians did not appear. --Gta-mysteries 11:56, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

It's probably a good idea to note in the images' pages and image captions that most of the vehicles are recreations, and they are not confirmed to be obtainable. It would be advisable to check in the missions next time if they can be stolen and stored in garage. We seriously can't afford to confuse readers. - ZS 12:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't think about noting whether or not they were obtainable.--Gta-mysteries 12:13, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Here's something that can help. You can download save games that allow you to access any mission in the game. It should make the job of reaching the vehicles much easier. - ZS 12:24, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I will try it out.--Gta-mysteries 20:40, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

And do you think you could get an image of the white Walton from GTA San Andreas? I already got an image of the one from Vice City, and I thought the section on the GTA SA variant could use it. --Gta-mysteries 20:55, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Special Vehicles

Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Special Vehicles.

Do you think that the special vehicles page should be laid out in different articles to the corresponding game?--Gta-mysteries 09:07, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Having pages like Special Vehicles in GTA San Andreas would mean repeating a lot of the information (explaining that these are BP/DP/unobtainable etc), and they'd have to go back to Special Vehicles every to figure out how to destroy them anyway. At the most, we could move the code to sub-pages to make it easier to work on and edit? Gboyers talk 12:22, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

What about putting the same vehicle in different columns. Like instead of the same vehicle on one column with all of the abilities marked in brackets, would it be easier to read if they were separated?--Gta-mysteries 21:45, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand. Do you mean having one table for every special vehicle (no matter which game)? Or do you mean have DP/EP/FP/BP as separate columns? That wouldn't be a big change, the page would still be huge. Gboyers talk 22:04, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Like this:

Vehicle Properties Mission
Cheetah Permanent Color Grand Theft Auto
Cheetah BP FP EP Turismo
Vehicle Properties Mission
Cheetah Permanant Color/ BP FP EP Grand Theft Auto (permanent color)/Turismo (FP EP BP)

You've put the information twice in there. You might as well do this - Gboyers talk 23:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Vehicle Abilities Mission
Cheetah Permanent color Grand Theft Auto (mission)
FP EP BP Turismo (mission)
Got it, thanks.--Gta-mysteries 23:52, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Just altered it slightly. Gboyers talk 00:02, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Pages.

Could you tell me if these pages should be deleted: Call of Duty Modern Warfare Predator film series The Terminators, because I already tagged them for deletion. --Gta-mysteries 07:27, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes they should be deleted, but the information might be able to go somewhere else. For example, a list of examples of Player Modifications, sorted by type (new clothes, new model, new accessories) and group (eg video game characters). Gboyers talk 11:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean it should be on the Skins page, like an external link or something?--Gta-mysteries 12:02, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think there should be a page all about skin mods, with a list of SOME examples. That page could include not just skins, but also complete model replacements, swapping models, and clothing item replacements. We should NOT list every skin mod ever. We should NOT have a page for individual skin mods (unless that are really important. Gboyers talk 16:18, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Consistency 2

Imported from User talk:Gboyers#Consistency 2.

Hi, I was wondering If I could get your opinion regarding an idea for image names as discussed here. I know this may be a little late but I just now thought of it. Oh, and in the statement above (I don't think this has anything to do with it) but have you ever noticed you could be from one wiki with no staff privileges and you could go on another, and move pages (excluding images).--Gta-mysteriesTalk page 04:07, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Most wikis allow users to move (aka rename) pages, even if they're not staff. For example, looking here, that "Users" have the "Move pages" right. This is not something we allow on GTW, as it is easy enough to add the {{move}} tag and get staff to do it. This prevents a lot of vandalism! Gboyers talk 04:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:Chimpso#Help.

I'm trying to get PlayStation Network on my PS3, but I don't know how, and I was wondering if you could help me. I would really appreciate it. Thanks--Gta-mysteries 03:55, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I wish that I could help but I don't have a PS3. Chimpso 03:59, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, well thanks anyway.--Gta-mysteries 04:02, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Upstate Liberty

First two lines Imported from User talk:ZS#Upstate Liberty, and last line imported from User talk:Spaceeinstein#Upstate Liberty.
I was wondering if you help me finish the Upstate page. I need help with some re-wording and possibly the number of images.--Gta-mysteries 19:28, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'll look into that sometime later. - ZS 20:48, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I was just curious, could you help me finish the Upstate Liberty page. ZS is helping to, and I just wanted to get all the help I can on that page? Thanks :)--Gta-mysteries 01:27, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

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Imported from User talk:Silver Infernus#RE:.
Yeah he's been renaming the images for consistency reasons. And yeah images should all share the same pattern like Image:Vc the driver.jpg renamed to TheDriver-GTAVC.jpg--Gta-mysteries 02:09, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:Spaceeinstein#Files.

Do you know how to make an OGG file?--Gta-mysteries 23:01, February 16, 2010 (UTC) <no reply>


Imported from User talk:ZS#Vandalism.
You might wanna take a look at this page.--Gta-mysteries 20:54, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Someone already deleted it. - ZS 07:01, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

The Well Stacked Pizza Co.

Imported from User talk:ZS#The Well Stacked Pizza Co..
Should there only be one image of the pizza shop in GTA Vice City? They pretty much share the same design.--Gta-mysteries 09:17, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
The images are meant to provide an illustration of the restaurant's position in its surroundings, so that acceptable even if the building is of the same design. And there are minor differences, such as the locations or the lack of Pizza Boys. - ZS 09:52, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


Imported from User talk:Hardrock182#Hello again.

I am trying to make pictures of all of the special vehicles and I was wondering how you get a good picture of one.--Gta-mysteries 01:13, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

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A Question

Imported from User talk:Bluesboyjr#A Question.
I need to ask you something, do you intend on staying here? Just curious.--Gta-mysteries 18:24, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
If by "staying here" you mean staying a contributing GTWiki User, than yes. --Bluesboyjr 19:04, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Big Smoke's Ghost

Imported from User talk:Creekside20985#Big smokes ghost.
Could you refrain from recreating the GTA_Sanandreas_Myths,_Bigsmokes_Ghost. page. It's already covered in Myths in GTA San Andreas. Instead of this shouldn't it be explained on that page. If you want you can copy the info real quick before it's second deletion. Thanks.--Gta-mysteries 21:49, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Actually it looks more like a duplicate page of Big Smoke could you confirm this?--Gta-mysteries 21:51, March 23, 2010 (UTC)


Could you get some pictures of some special vehicles from GTA San Andreas please. I can't do it myself because of my computer resolution. If so they are the green Pizza Boy from Ice Cold Killa, the green Packer from Cop Wheels, the SWAT Tank from End of the Line, the three Vortexes, and the BF Injection from Cut Throat Business, and the other two Campers in Jizzy. Thanks --Gta-mysteries 21:12, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
Vehicle Mission
Pizza Boy Ice Cold Killa
Packer Cop Wheels
Campers Jizzy
Vortexes Cut Throat Business
BF Injection Cut Throat Business

Thanks for the reply. As you know, there is a image in the SWAT truck article. And can you tell me each vehicle for each mission please?
|0ComeKillLah, Meh|Talk to me!| 05:54, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I have seen your images and it needs some adjustment on the resolution. Tell me, what is your computer resolution? |0ComeKillLah, Meh|Talk to me!| 10:18, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

My resolution on GTA III, GTA VC, and GTA SA is good, it's a 1200x800x32. I also use a 1400x900 for GTA SA, So it's no such much as the resolution it's just the graphics in a way.

Ok, for somehow, I have resized two of your images. Look at them below.

Anyways, the Campers and Vortexes from missions are done by ZS and they looked fine. And the BF Injection, cropped by you, looks also fine.
Feel free to tell me for more images. But not now, have problems with grapical card. =/
|0ComeKillLah, Meh|Talk to me!| 13:30, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

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