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So who created the wiki?

Just wondered who created this wiki. Please tell me ASAP

Technically me, but there is a longer answer if you want. Two separate wikis were created. One was created on Wikia by User:Thai420, and I separately created Grand Theft Wiki. A couple of years ago, GTW moved to Wikia, and the content from the old one was moved into this one. So technically I created this wiki, although Thai420 created a different GTA wiki before that (which no longer exists on its own). Gboyers talk 14:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

How to become staff

Why did you promote GuildKnight as high as you and how can I be a moderator? I was thinking that if GuildKnight started as an ordinary person and rose through the ranks maybe I can. I want to hear his story and here how I can be like him.

First of all, GuildKnight is female. If you aren't paying enough attention to know that, then you don't know the wiki well enough to be a senior staff member. And you didn't even sign your name after your talk page comment, which shows you don't know how wikis work. It's not looking good. All staff are normal wiki editors first and foremost - if you aren't the best at writing content, then you simply can't be allowed to moderate other people's content. And best doesn't mean most. The promotion procedure is shown at Project:Promotion. I promoted GK to be a Manager because she is sensible enough not to abuse her position - she rarely uses her manager position - but I know that if I needed her to do anything, she could. Gboyers talk 12:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Kinda new. I just don't see many girls play GTA. How come she got a speedy promotion? Just Wondering

Remember to sign your comments (using ~~~~). Speedy promotions usually occur when we have fewer staff than we currently need; or when the wiki isn't active enough to bother going through the lengthy promotion discussion process (eg with an upcoming game release when we're about to get busy). She had experience on other wikis, and proved her editing abilities very quickly. After she became Administrator, I knew I could trust her enough to hold Management status without being headstrong and trying to change things just because she could. Although there are lots of people who would be able to do the job, probably very well, there's nobody else that I would trust to not use the position unless needed (if that makes sense). Gboyers talk 19:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of children playing GTA?

I'm sorry. Its kind of random, but Jack Thompson just made me ask it. So whats your opinion? - Peter13

That's more of a question for the Forum than me personally. I moderate on The GTA Place Forums, and I see a lot of children on there. Whilst 15 upwards I don't have a problem, when it is 12 and 13 year olds it is wrong. Speaking from countless hours of dealing with them, I know they don't have the maturity to hold a real discussion. I've seen them burst into tears because of a warning, and explode when someone says something remotely against them. So no, I don't think they should play violent games either. Gboyers talk 20:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

How about a 14 year old? Just wondering. Also, I find that it depends on the child not the age. I have seen very mature 10 year olds and immature 16 year olds. I partly agree on your answer but there is still gray area.

I'm not suggesting that overnight on their 15th birthday they suddenly become able to cope with stuff, that's why I left that grey area. To be safe, I personally would not allow 14 year olds to purchase or play the games, but I would allow 15 year olds to. In the UK it's an 18 age limit, which is a bit restrictive. But some of the prostitution, crime and dark storylines are not what 14 year olds should be exposed to, not matter how mature they think they are. Gboyers talk 21:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, but there is the very slim chance 0.01% that a 8 year old could handle the game. Everyone has there own perspective. Also in Canada it is 17 that you can buy the game. But one year does not make much of a difference.

I'm not talking about not being able to handle it, as in cry and go crazy. I'm talking about what they should be exposed to at their age. Whilst most of GTA is fun there are themes there that should be adult-only. The sex, prositution, drug abuse, the really dark storylines, and the life-and-death choices that you can make. Whilst most kids could handle this without breaking up, they should still not be exposed to this. It's like parents having a divorce (but not as bad) - whilst it probably won't destroy the kid, it will scar and play on their mind, and they should be able to go through their childhood without those issues. Maturity isn't some random scale that you go up, or a test that you eventually pass - nor is it something you can be taught or learn yourself - it's a complex issue that you can't understand until long afterwards. Any kids that think they are mature definitely aren't. It takes a lot of maturity to admit that you aren't mature yet. Gboyers talk 02:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. But it is a bit of a paradox. I mean the people who think they are mature are not, and the people who think their not mature enough are. Its a bit strange. On a bit of an unrelated note, I have made the unofficial quiz of Grand Theft Wiki. If you want to be in it, or feature it, it at the below link: Unofficial Grand Theft Wiki Quiz

It's not a paradox. It takes SOME maturity to know that you aren't completely mature. You are never completely mature, but to be mature enough to be considered an adult you need to be mature enough to know your own weaknesses. If a 13 or 14 year old kid thought they knew enough, and thought they were mature, that is (yet more) proof that they are not. Most kids that age probably do think they understand everything they need to, but none of them do. Gboyers talk 03:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the downpour of questions. I just want to get fully immersed in this wiki. If your only 19 years old and you started playing GTA games in the 90's, does that mean you started plating when you were around 10 years old?

This wiki isn't just me, it's the entire community. But I certainly wasn't playing GTA in the 90s. Don't forget that GTA 1 was only released in 1997. I think I first played GTA 1 when I was around 14. Those games were suitable for those ages, because it was just driving and shooting, and the storyline was almost invisible. From GTA III onwards it becomes unsuitable. Vice City I got at 15 I think - given that drugs are quite prevalent in the storyline I wouldn't go much younger. But GTASA and GTA IV are definitely 15+ at least in my opinion. Gboyers talk 12:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Gboyers, How did you?

I've looked all around your wiki short of sifting through and checking the history, how did you get that wonderful banner image across you site? I'm working on one for the Jurassic Park wiki and would love the info on how to make it work. If you could at least point me in the right direction, that would be appreciated.--My Name Is Tom 06:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I left this for you in the forums, but i decided to leave it here just in case you missed it. BTW, we share a love for GTA games i have 6 of them, and it looks like you have plenty of help, so you don't need mine, but could i get yours?--My Name Is Tom 21:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

If you're good with CSS, then it's fairly straightforward. All my CSS is at MediaWiki:Monaco.css, so if you copy the relevant bits into your monaco.css, then that would be a good start (obviously you'd need to change the images etc). However, if you're struggling, if you make the images I'd be happy to set up the CSS for you. Gboyers talk 21:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, you're awesome. I'm glad you moved your site over to wikia, but did you think it would cause you to have to deal with less intelegent people like me? Again thanks for the help, i think i should be able to figure it out from here. I'll send you the link when i'm done to see what you think. Luv the site.--My Name Is Tom 22:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Haha - there are much worse people than you around, trust me. It's all good fun though. But good luck - let me know how it goes. Gboyers talk 22:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of discussions not ending.... I was able to create a banner to the same specs as yours, but i was only able to view the source of the .css, i'm not sure if i missed anything or put all the right info in. I also updated the wiki.png and created the MediaWiki:Monaco.css. In that, the only things i changed from yours was removed the admin info with colors, and changed the banner link. I've refreshed and purged the Main page, but to no avail. I'd like to change the colors as well to a black BG but keep the Jade Wikia & More logos, but i don't know how to find the links to those files. Thanks again for the help.--My Name Is Tom (Talk / Edits) 06:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

If you can't edit the MediaWiki namespace, you need to be a Bureaucrat. If you are a bureaucrat and still can't access it, speak to Wikia staff about it and they can set the permissions for your wiki. Basic styling (colours) is all listed at w:c:help:Help:Customizing_Monaco. Gboyers talk 09:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It's done. Check it out. I was able to access the MediaWiki as an admin. The problem was I couldnt switch it to Custom monaco, the Bureaucrat there had to. I didnt realize i had to do that untill you sent me the second link. Now if anyone asks again you can reference this exchange, or send them my way , i'll gladly pay it forward. Thanks again for all the help.--My Name Is Tom (Talk / Edits) 22:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

A thought for talk pages.

I've just thought of a way to save people some time reading through talk pages. Once a decision is reached, create a summary of the discussion and when it took place. Any necessary evidence should be stated as well. For example: an argument as to which neighbourhood a street was in. It was answered by a member of R* that it was in North Holland not Northwood. After this argument was concluded, the main text was deleted and a summary was written such as:

On the date MM/DD/YY the argument as to which neighbourhood such and such street was in. R* concluded this argument by stating that it was in fact within the neighbourhood of North Holland.

So, what do you think, is this a good idea or did I just waste my time typing all this out in aid to save time? --LuisFernandoLopez 20:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a nice idea, but I'm not sure it is as simple as that. Firstly, most discussions never really end. Some things are discussed, and some things are explained, but there's no 'conclusion' as such. Even if there is a conclusion, it may continue being discussed (rather than being cut-off by what you propose). Secondly, there may be dispute as to what the conclusion was - what if people still disagree after the discussion? The example you give has a very definite answer (where Rockstar give the answer), but that almost never happens (there is nobody on this wiki officially representing Rockstar, although we know they do visit). Also, a short question-answer discussion doesn't need a summary (that would double the length of the discussion), so there would need to be guidelines for the use of something like that.
What might be a good idea is having long discussions collapse (like Template:GTA does when it is included onto a page, like GTA IV), replacing itself with a box like "this section refers to XYZ, click here to show the full discussion". If there is a definite answer (where someone asks a question, rather than disputes something) then that could be added into that box. That way, even if the conclusion is something like: "No consensus was reached, so both possible neighbourhoods have been listed". Gboyers talk 20:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I see your point about the discussions not really ending, and agree with your thoughts about the collapsing. --LuisFernandoLopez 20:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Small Question

Hi, sorry for disturbing, but I was wondering, if your the right person to ask, how did you manage to change the colors of different usergroups, e.g Managers being burgundy? I've been trying to find out how to do that for years but I couldn't come across anything. --AinzX 21:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Just some clever CSS. As you can see at the end of MediaWiki:Monaco.css, theres some css that says if a link goes to a certain page (manager's userpage or talk page), make it red, and add the rank image to the side. Should be fairly simple to import into another wiki, but I can help if you like. Gboyers talk 22:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Just checking, So if you were to import it into another wiki not hosted by Wikia, would you add it to the Monobook.css? --AinzX 22:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
That would work, yes. You probably should put it into Mediawiki:Common.css so that it shows up on every skin, but some skins might not work with those colours (eg dark red on a black background), so thats why I put it in the CSS for a specific skin. If monobook is your only skin, then you can just put it in there. Gboyers talk 22:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah! OK, thanks! --AinzX 22:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned pages

Hi. How should the disambiguation pages be dealt with? Those pages will become orphaned eventually and will show up on the list of orphaned pages.--Spaceeinstein 23:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

That's a really good question, well spotted. Most disambiguation pages (eg Liberty City) are useful, allowing them to be linked to without having to specify a game/era (as in {{GTA}}). Others (eg Vehicles in GTA London) will become orphaned, but they should still exist in case anyone types that in (like a multiple redirect). You could prevent these from showing up in orphanedpages by linking them to themselves (that might work), or creating a random page somewhere with the sole purpose of linking to orphaned disambiguation pages. I'll let you test those methods yourself, and pick which one to use. You can see all disambigs at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Disambig. Gboyers talk 00:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup Project & User 'Rename'

I replied here because I knew you wouldn't be checking my talk page for a reply because that was just a message you left for every staff member (not a direct discussion). I have been inactive recently for a number of reasons. I have briefly read through the project page, and I'll start on something later this week (I would rather do that than reserve something for myself and not do anything on it, there's alot there and I doubt that every job will be taken within a week). I was getting ready to put a notice on my userpage that I was inactive, but then I realised the date and that I will be back in a couple of weeks anyway (and I am still on here every day, just not editing as much). It's good to know that you know I'm still around though! As for the last cleanup project, I got the uncategorised pages down to a list of uncategorisable pages, and pages that were categorised but the cache didn't notice for some reason. I just wasn't able to maintain it like that with been inactive.

Also, is there any reason that you would disagree with using monaco.css to create the illusion that I got my account renamed? For the reason, you can read through my userpage, which I recently rewrote from scratch. I went to a forum and asked how I would do it, and apparently you would need to hide the content of the link (via display:none), and then use the :after psuedo-element along with the content: property to display the new text. I wanted to test it all out in my MediaWiki setup in my localhost, which I use for a number of purposes, but mostly for my own education of the wiki software (I don't know if I've ever mentioned that to you?). But it showed that my biggest weakness with computers is programming languages. So anyway, would you have a problem with that? (I don't want to just change my signature because that wouldn't work for history pages/recent changes). You could also use it for GTA4PC (who doesn't seem to want to just make a new account, and either do I for a number of reasons). I already own the account that I would use as my name (so that I can't be seen as trying to be an impostor of someone). Thanks! Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 09:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the message. There's a difference between "inactive" (like Eganio) and "not here" (like you and BloodyGTA). In the latter, you still intend to return at some point. A lot of people are busy at this time of year with exams etc, which is not a problem. You do what you need to do, then do what you can do. As for renaming accounts, let me know you want to merge it with, and I'll chase this up with staff. Faking a username would make it harder for you to be found/tracked/contacted, considering (for example) people would type in your fake name into various special pages and it wouldn't work. I'll do what I can to get it actually changed. Gboyers talk 15:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
That's a good point (about the special pages). Well anything more personal would do (I don't care to that extent, I just want to get rid of the gimmick), but the account that I own (I linked to it before, that I was going to use in the css) is User:JFletcher (it's a red link because I created it from the central Wikia, so it didn't create my social profile here, but the link still works, and it shows the message that I left in the real name option). It is connected to the same email address as my real account and all that kind of stuff. But considering that that account has never made an edit on ANY wiki, there might not be any excuse for a merge. Thanks for the help though! Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 06:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


I've been on here a few times but now I'm a member. I was womdering if I'm supposed to put my real information on my profile or if I'm supposed to put my fictional GTA characters information. Probably a silly question but just wondering. --James "Playboy Rex" Black 04:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Mr. James

Well firstly welcome, glad you've decided to sign up. The information there doesn't have to be real, but remember that people will look at it and think it applies to you (eg they will probably call you by that name). But it's your profile, you do what you want with it. You can even turn it into a wiki page (like mine) instead of a social-networking-style profile by hitting the orange button, and then you can just write whatever you want. Gboyers talk 04:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. --James "Playboy Rex" Black 04:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)Playboy Rex


Wep stands for "weapons" :O. Darkman 4

Hehe, I understand that, I was being facetious. It isn't obvious to people what "GTAVCSwep" means, so "gtavcs weapons" is better. And (as a personal preference) I prefer to use lower-case names for templates, like {{gtaiv screenshot}}, just to make it easier to type in (since it isnt a "title" like it is in real articles). Good work on the tables anyway, they look pretty useful. Gboyers talk 03:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Feel free to use them for other things, such as missions. It's pretty much a copy and paste of the tables I made for the weapon pages on the Call of Duty Wiki. Darkman 4 03:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm quite impressed - you're keeping up with all the changes I'm making as you're going along. Keep up the good work - Gboyers talk 04:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


Hey there, just came over to take a look at a few things, and am impressed by the amount of content here! Just want to say, well done. Fat Man Spoon 22:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that means a lot, but we're not there yet. There are still many neglected areas of the wiki, but we're getting closer all the time. Which wikis do you hail from? Gboyers talk 00:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I come from The Vault. Fat Man Spoon 18:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Club Shows?

Hey man i was just wondering if you want me to write out the shows that take place in the Perestorika. I have already written one of Ricky Gervais' acts (see link) so if you want me to write the Perestorika's i would be happy to. --Chimpso 11:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds good to me - every little helps. But there are already some things at Perestroika, so make sure you don't duplicate anything. Gboyers talk 12:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Um there dosen't seem to be anything that writes out the acts compleatly. By the way do you want me to write the show under the charecters article (eg i write Klienmans act under his article) or on the official Perestroika page?

Sorry, I just linked so that you could check (wasn't sure whether you had found that page or not). If you're writing out the act completely (like a Transcript), do it on their individual pages - we don't want the main Perestroika page getting too cluttered. Have fun - Gboyers talk 12:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Images & Category Tab

File:Images 75 outof 100.PNG - 1/4 of the pictures are not loaded. Hi again. I checked the images with Internet Explorer and it works fine with that. About the category tab, yes i mean that at the bottom of the page, it dissappeared since 3 weeks for me, and also I can't add categories if I'm not in the "page editor". --DT-boy 05:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: The category tab is back! --DT-boy 06:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


Hey, Gboyers! Just dropping by to say thanks for making me a moderator. I'll do my best! Masterpogihaha 12:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


You wouldn't mind looking at a page I created and be if it needs to be improved? Trip Skip. TommyVercetti69 20:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


I'm Kperfekt and I run Wikihunt and we could really use some new users. Do you think it would be cool if we could have a link to each other's wiki on each other's homepage. I'd really appreciate it. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Kperfekt BURN!!! Revert That! 05:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kperfekt, thanks for your message. I'm not sure that a manhunt wiki is really the sort of thing we'd link to on our main page. However, you can certainly link to it from our Manhunt page, and maybe even from Rockstar Games or other relevant pages. Hope thats okay. But actually, it might be worth us creating a page dedicated to other relevant sites, so keep your eye open for that! Gboyers talk 18:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


im i spotted possible deleteing of important info in the gta san andreas myths section in gta san andreas. user--Stephendwan 12:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I removed certain sections in the myths section because they had swearing, next to no grammer, loads of swearing mistakes and they were obviously incorect. Oh and they were written by Stephendwan by the way, thats why he is complaining. Oh and by the way Stephendwan no offence intended here but i decided to correct your complaint with grammer so Gboyers could ACTUALLY read it: I have spotted possible deletion of importanti info in the GTA San Andreas myths section in.

Thanks for your input Chimpso. Looking at this edit, it is NOT completely obvious that the stuff you removed was false/made up. You should have left a message on the talk page explaining why you had removed that stuff, just to avoid anyone being upset by it. Stephendwan - you should discuss on the talk page what should/shouldn't be there. That is better than constantly undoing each others edits (or worse). I suggest you both go to Talk:Myths in GTA San Andreas, and discuss what should be on the page, and come to an agreement or compromise. If you can't agree, then speak to a member of staff - but hopefully you can work it out together. Gboyers talk 18:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


check out gta myths wikia called grand theft auto wikia as i need maps for the location of the myths. user--Stephendwan 18:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Colour Scheme

Hey Man, This might be a big ask but just wondering if you would consider maybe changing the colour scheme of the Wiki because It seems quite boring and has a very amatuerish quality to it which runs the risk of bringing the rep of the whole Wiki down. May I suggest Black and Red with white text (the typical gta colours seen in GTA III, LCS, GTA IV, Chinatown Wars and TLAD). Feedback is greatly appreciated thanks. --MOB-4-Life 18:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey. Are you referring to the actual white content area (where the article text is)? If so, there are many reasons these are "boring" colours - ranging from readability, to the fact that most images have white-backgrounds, and changing it would mean a massive project to change every single template and page so that the colours matched. What you perceive as exciting/cool colours usually ends up being hard to read. If you mean things other than the content area, there isn't actually much room to style. The header/banner is pretty colourful and relevant, and the left navigation just matches the content area for the same reasons. I don't think either of these is bringing the rep of the wiki down, but I agree a boring design doesn't look good. Perhaps link me to a wiki you think looks good but is still readable? Perhaps Memory Alpha? Gboyers talk


When i try to do polls, they will, not load, up even when im trying to make one only two suggestions come up, i think ther is something glitchy about it because each time ive tried it, it will not work. I have talked to a couple of GTW users and they have also the same problem, please if you have time could you look into it.

-Thanks! :) GSF4L 01:33, July 18 2009 (GMT)

Not to much to expand.

I just stopped by (again) to say that some time ago I chose to expand pages as my staff duty but I checked most of the pages on the expansion category and there is very and I mean very few pages that really need expansion as those that are in the category are just minor things in GTA that don't need expansion but is just small things with-in the GTA games like inaccesible stores or pedestrian article.Im am not saying that there aren't any pages that need expansion but there is barely any.-User:BloodyGTA

i found a cool giltch

i was just wondering sense i found this giltch in gta san andreas im just trying to confirm that was it already discovered and written a page about it incase i make two of the same pages.The giltch is were in two player the second player cuts off player ones head off and the cut off head stays like that. user--Stephendwan 18:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't need to write a new page about it. It's not THAT impressive or important. Just mention it on a glitches page, or add it to the Forum. Gboyers talk 16:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

What walking around with out a head seems pretty impressive cause normally you end up dieing. user--Stephendwan 16:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

That's not worth an entire page on this wiki. It's just a little glitch/oversight. It's worth a brief mention on a glitch page, and if you really want to talk about it, then that's what the Forum is for. If you want to keep your own personal list of glitches (which you can write as much as you want for), then make a page in your user space, like User:Stephendwan/glitches. Gboyers talk 17:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

try leaving without a head in real life. (sarcism jokng) Anyway i might as well end the discussion. user--Stephendwan 19:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Page titling

Hi gboyers, I was saying on the discussion page for "Involuntary Ejection" that, since it's not a proper name, it should be renamed to "Involuntary ejection" (lowercase 'e'). There are quite a few pages like this, but it's obviously not Wiki policy or style to capitalise every page title (see: Controversy in the GTA series, for example). What do you reckon, capitalise them all, fix the capitalised ones, or leave it inconsistent? I'd be happy to do it myself, but I don't have name-changing privileges, hoho. Samadriel 20:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, on this wiki it IS policy to write titles in title case, not sentence case (like wikipedia) or CamelCase (like MeatballWiki). So capitalise all words except minor words (such as: a, is, in, the). Most of the pages on this wiki are named after games, missions, people etc, so end up being proper nouns (and thus capitalised anyway). For the rest of the pages, they are titles rather than opening sentences, so we've always had a policy of using title case. Just because it's different to Wikipedia doesn't make it wrong :). See Grand Theft Wiki:Consistency for the full explanation. Gboyers talk 21:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I see, I guess that should be "Controversy in the GTA Series" then, heh (Oh, you've already renamed it). Samadriel 21:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


I suggest updating MediaWiki:Sidebar (not the Monaco version) in the "gta games" section (the DLC, CW and Advance). Although there probably aren't many users that use the MonoBook skin (I hate it compared to Monaco), an example was A-Dust, so they do exist. Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 00:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure, that would be useful. Feel free to go ahead and do that if you can? Gboyers talk 00:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
No, I don't have the ability to edit it. Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 08:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


We have a little problem. I think it's worth noting the Deluxo was produced at least as early as 1984, but some weird user called Thescarydude came along and labelled it bad logic. I re-added this noteworthy fact, but i wanted to ask your opinion incase he tries to start an edit war. SuperTron500 07:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for ansering this for you Gereld (do you mind me calling you that?). But SuperTron, I done a review of your edit about the graphic change of the car over VC and VCS and removed it. All the cars have changed graphics between the games. Also I changed "As early as 1984" to "the early 1980s". It seemed more suitable. Please keep up the good work on this wiki SuperTron500. If you have problems feel free to ask a member of Staff. Ok GB you can take it from here :). --Chimpso 09:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

SuperTron - if you disagree with an edit (or disagree with someone reverting your edits), discuss it with them on the talk page. Try to reach an agreement, rather than just repeatedly doing what you think is right - because one of you is right, one of you isn't, and we need to find out which content is correct (doesn't matter who is right/wrong). But there's still no need to call him weird. Chimpso - actually I do mind, because that's not my name. Try 'Gerard' instead. Gboyers talk 10:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha! Sorry if you were offended Gerard I just swear I saw that name somewhere. Anyways what GB said was true, disccusion is always the right way to go If you think that somthing shoulden't be done or somthing needs correction or is out of place. Keep up the good work SuperTron! --Chimpso 10:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey I was wondering if I can start writing articles on the different trophies and achievements in Grand Theft Auto IV. I believe there should be articles on these because they do pertain to Grand Theft Auto. Do I have your permission to start writing?--GTA Lover 05:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you don't need my permission to write any articles. However, it's good to ask if you aren't sure whether something would be useful or not. I don't think every trophy needs its own page, because there probably isn't enough content to warrant 50 new pages. However, perhaps you could make a new page which shows every trophy in more detail, like with a paragraph for each one, maybe some instructions, and a map/photo? If it turns out that there is a lot of information you could write, then we could pages instead. If you're suer there is enough content for a page for every trophy, perhaps make me a demo page in your user space, like User:GTA Lover/trophy1, and I'll let you know what I think would be best - Gboyers talk 09:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Just to note that articles for achievements is currently being discussed. Biggest GTA Fan EverTalk 09:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


what would you think if R* added these to the game. [1] [2] [3] user--Stephendwan 13:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

oh how about these things [4] and it be also cool if they bring back the chainsaw so that you be able to this and have a mad person who has like this. [5]

If you have any suggestions, I suggest you use the GTA 5 Wishlist or the Forum rather than one person's talk page. I've never been overly interested in weapons, so I'm not the right person to ask. Gboyers talk 14:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing template

Hi. Can you use the bot to remove {{gtaiv|state=collapsed}} from all the vehicles pages that has them? It's filling up Category:GTA IV.--Spaceeinstein 15:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Why not just remove the category from that template? Should be easy enough to add the category to the pages that actually need it, and there's no reason why vehicle pages shouldn't be allowed to have that template. Gboyers talk 16:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


I know that this is very little to do with gta but how do you get NAT 2 as i hate that NAT 3 for the ps3. user--Stephendwan 11:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not the person you should be asking all these questions to. Try the Forum, or a member who you know to be active on the PS3-related articles. Gboyers talk 17:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: User:Stephendwan

Would it be possible to look into that days-long conflict between User:Chimpso and User:Stephendwan again? Apparently there has been some misunderstanding between the two, and their talk pages have become little warzones. Stephendwan has a fair share of abuses, but while Chimpso's removal of these discussions is justifiable, he has been removing what seems to be well-minded comments made by Stephendwan on Chimpso's talk page:

This turn of events concerns me. - ZS 11:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm already discussing this with them and dealing with it (check my Board and my warning on the talk page). Chimpso is perfectly entitled to remove anything he wants from his own user talk page - so long as he doesn't edit other people's comments or otherwise cause it to be misinterpreted. I'll deal with this. Gboyers talk 12:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Its alright we sorted it out ourselves i said i was sorry and he apologized. user--Stephendwan 12:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi GB. I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused. It seems that we all have problems when It comes to agreeing on things. Im glad it's over, It's sad that you had to block him. I hope when he comes back we can all have a fresh start. --Chimpso 13:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It's good that it stopped, but it is still inappropriate, and I don't want a repeat of it. You have obviously tried hard not to explode and yell at him, but you still need to make sure you read over your posts a couple of times before you hit 'save', just to remove the emotion from the situation. You did the right thing by approaching me when the matter became unreasonable and uncontrollable, instead of trying to deal with it by shouting and issuing threats. But in the future, just make sure you don't rise to his bait - it would be a lot easier just to ignore him, and report him if he harasses you. I hope that makes sense, and thanks for the apology :) Gboyers talk 13:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I will try harder next time. :) --Chimpso 01:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


I have a question. Are Machinima articles permited on GTA Wiki? Kranitoko 12:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to GTA machinima? We could certainly have one Machinima page explaining about it, however we would not have articles about individual works. Those would go into your personal user space, such as User:Clockback/machinima1. Hope that makes sense - Gboyers talk 12:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Chinatown Wars Map

Hi. Can you get this map from like you did for GTA IV?--Spaceeinstein 21:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no special arrangement with them, I modified the map myself (added borough names) and uploaded it here. It should be fine so long as you give them credit for the image (perhaps link to the page where you found it). Gboyers talk 22:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

How did you move it down?

Hey Gboyers, I was just wondering, how did you move the top of the article section (the part that your reading now and has the Edit This Page and History at the top) dow to be level with the search box and sidebar. I need to do this to make way for my banner on my site. Thanks in advance :).--Chimpso Manager of Strasky and Hutch Game Wiki 06:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, all the CSS I made for this skin is on Mediawiki:Monaco.css. Also, would you mind removing the red border from your signature? It's meant to identify your comments, not be a blaring advert for your wiki. You can keep the link, but there's no need to make it that distracting. Thanks - Gboyers talk 09:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Changes to Monaco.css are instant. However, your web browser will cache it (rather than reloading it every single time you visit a page on the wiki). Go here then here and press Ctrl+F5 or Shift+F5 to do a hard refresh. If that doesn't work, visit those links then clear your temporary internet files, then close the browser and visit the site. Otherwise you'll have to wait until the maxage=86400 seconds means your version is 24 hours old. Gboyers talk 09:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok I removed it, It just keeps it from one wiki to another and its SOOOOO anoying how it does that. Ok I figured it out now thatnks! Oh and sorry about the sig, I will change it on my wiki. Chimpso Manager of Strasky and Hutch Game Wiki 06:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Fox Protector 19:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC) Hey, how do i change the title of my page?


Just thought of bringing this to your attention. Been noticing some bizarre edits from User:Lasolas lately. Most of them are related to blanking of info on Terry Thorpe and replacement of some of these cut pages with Bill Gates' name for some reason (given the narrow subject matter, Microsoft, the Xbox 360 and TLAD, it could be a personal thing related to the TLAD). If he strikes a third time, we should know what to do. - ZS 10:45, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that, but feel free to deal with it yourself. If there is a problem, you should communicate with the member. If the user continues to damage the wiki, you should suspend them, for as long as you deem necessary. A short suspension (3 days) is useful for people to calm down after a fight, argument or edit war; somewhat longer is useful to deter people who get a kick out of randomly editing/emptying pages; and infinite for persisitent spammers or those causing a lot of trouble. Gboyers talk 11:06, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll keep an eye on 'em for a while. And thanks for helping with delivering the edit warning to him. - ZS 11:09, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

He is still spamming - I am reverting his edits now. Chimpso 13:38, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

His obsession with Terry Thorpe continues, he has now removed his name from the Alderney page and spammed the Flying Rats page. Thanks to Masterpogihaha for helping me revert them, I sent him anopther message to help chill him out. I hope it works. Chimpso

RE: Dealing with Vandals

Alright. I'll keep the No Shrines for Vandals policy in mind. Masterpogihaha 23:18, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Ditto, I have never heard of this policy, but I will learn it from now on. Well no one has edited for a few hours so I think I will busy myself reading the whole Policy page. Seeing as im bored. Chimpso 13:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Removing /wiki from URL

Hi Gboyers. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Wikia is working on a SEO (Search Engine Optimization) project to test the effect of removing /wiki from all of our URLs. So would become This was suggested to us by someone at Google. There are a few things that we're hoping to see:

  • There should be better click-through from search results. People tend to click on shorter, less complex URLs.
  • We're hoping to see some improvement in the search rankings, because Google will see the keyword ("Mothra") closer to the beginning of the URL and therefore more important.
  • Also, it will be easier for people to link to our pages, which might increase the number of links that we get.

Obviously, all of the old links will still work. Links and bookmarks with /wiki will be automatically redirected to the new URL. We're testing it out on 4 wikis, with this wiki being one of them, starting on Thursday of this week (Oct 15). We'll track this over the next month, and see if we get the results we're looking for. If we do, then we'll make this happen sitewide.

Please point this out to any other active admins and leave any comments or feedback here. Thanks. JoePlay<staff /> (talk) 23:35, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks for letting me know. Keep me in the loop. Gboyers talk 23:46, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


I have another question dealing with businesses in GTA San Andreas. Are Carniceria Panaderia, and Flores Mini Mart the same business or are they seperate but share the same building?--Gta-mysteries 00:20, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Is that just a building that you can't go in? We don't need individual articles for every single one of those buildings. There's no point, as there is only 1 sentence we can fit on that page, and nobody would ever look for that information. It would be best just put in a list on one "Shops in Los Santos" page or similar. Gboyers talk 00:40, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

How do you make a table?--Gta-mysteries 11:06, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

We do have a Help section you know. Try Help:Tables. Gboyers talk 11:10, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


Can I make a template for protagonists/ antagonists?-- Blaff 60 19:42, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

If you think it's useful, sure. But {{gta}} has all the protagonists, and that should be on every protagonists' page. I don't think an antagonist one would be massively useful, but what would be good is something like {{gtaiv characters}} which lists all the main characters. That could be sorted by mission, island, DLC, gang, whatever. Feel free to have a play with it. Gboyers talk 21:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--Blaff 60 07:55, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

File status

Hi. I want to upload this file (which was created by you) to Russian GTA Wiki. Are you ok with it? What license it has? VTOL 13:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

That is fine - you may upload that image to the Russian GTA Wiki. However, on the image page, please provide a link to the original image page. Thanks for asking first - Gboyers talk 14:50, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! VTOL 15:03, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Asking for something...

Hi! Umm..I will be making a template in Vehicles of GTASA and VCS. Is it ok with you? I just wanna ask a permission first before I make before I do something wrong...-Blaff 60 11:50, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hey, be bold. Go ahead and do it. Everything you do can be easily reversed, so there's no harm in trying it out. This wiki belongs the community who write it, we're just here to make things run smoothly. Just make sure we don't have it already! We have {{vehicles}}, {{gtavc vehicles}} and {{gtaiii vehicles}}, but not SA or VCS. You should use those templates as the basis for your new ones. Gboyers talk 12:32, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanx Gboyers!-Blaff 60 15:18, October 18, 2009 (UTC)


i just thought about blocking, couldn't someone just create another account, or does it block the IP address? just wondering.Grandtheftautodude 11:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC) p.s i'm not a admin i just read about user:Lasolas above and thought

There are many very effective options available to our staff to deal with harmful users. For obvious reasons I won't discuss our security procedures, nor tell you how to get round them. :) Gboyers talk 12:07, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

it's ok i understand but is there a cheat for the infernus as many videos on youtube say there is p.s i've subbed grandtheftwiki youtube account

Why not look at the Cheats pages, or if you don't believe them, ask on the Forum. Gboyers talk 18:24, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

thanks anyway. Grandtheftautodude 18:44, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


Gboyers how do I become admin. Do you have to have a certain amount of edits? I have 41 edits at the time of writing this but I joined in august. also if I do become an admin member can you send a list of people you want blocked from this site send me a message on my talkpage Andrew nicholson 17:35, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, we have clear Promotion procedures. There isn't a minimum number of posts, but you would need to be able to prove you are a respected part of this community, and that you know the wiki completely inside-out, which is pretty much impossible with only a few edits. However, you can still be a very valuable membre of the community without necessarily having a delete button - you can fix other peoples edits, mark stuff for deletion, and complete any of the hundreds of Tasks that need doing. As for blocking users, I'm sure if I wanted them blocked I could do it myself. However, we don't base our sanctions on what I want, it's what's in the best interest of this wiki and it's community. Gboyers talk 18:32, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hello Gboyers

Hey I only have a small thing to say, I did not spot anything on the Police Maverick page about how the Rotor Blade Count Differs in the GTA III era, and the GTA IV era, but if YOU could do something about that it would be cool. Thanks a million. P.S, I am 14, I have played GTA for a real long while and it has not changed anything about me, I think its just the media coming up with crap about GTA just because they have nothing else to put on the headlines. (Just stating how I think it is) Thanks, User:Hlaalu_Guard.

That is probably because it is already mentioned on the Maverick page. It's kinda redundant to repeat that.--Thescarydude 19:15, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Police Maverick already has that on the page: "Like the Maverick, the Police Maverick originally featured two rotor blades, but was modified in GTA IV to feature four. ". And even if it wasn't already mentioned, you have the power to hit the "Edit" button and add it in yourself. Staff are only here to keep the wiki running smoothly, and you have the same powers as any of us, unless something goes wrong (which is when we step in). Gboyers talk 19:38, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


Don't Delete Mexico. It is the first download for The Ballad of Gay Tony, I will be upset if you did this. You will ending up blocked, Declansimons (Talk) 09:35, 7 November, 2009

safehouses in the ballad of gay tony article

can you remove the red linked category from this article: Grandtheftautodude 13:39, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Gta template

in the main page, the main GTA template to be exact, there is no Characters in TBOGT, weapons in TBOGT and vehicles in TBOGT, maybe someone will add this to the main GTA template.--Blaff 60 20:02, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

How to put a page in stub

There are some articles on this wiki that provide a very little information and needs a lot to be added on them. I want to put some articles in stub. How can I do so?

To mark an article as a stub, just put {{stub}} at the bottom. To view a list of stubs, look at Category:Stub. There are other Cleanup Templates as well. Gboyers talk 13:23, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Gotta question

Where would I put a name if I want to nominate someone in the promotion page?--Blaff 60 21:22, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Suggest your nomination on Grand Theft Wiki talk:Promotion. Gboyers talk 21:39, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.--Blaff 60 21:46, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


Enough in racism comments or suggestions, it is very intimidating to everyone and may damage someone's reputation. Don't change someone's comments to racism marks or something, this may end up to blocking accounts. Just be kind to everyone and don't add anything bad or annoy someone.--Blaff 60 22:39, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, is this directed at me? MarkAldred was a suspended user who had a personal grudge against me for suspending his original account. I will remove his abusive/racist remarks. Gboyers talk 22:42, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't put someone in it. I said this message to those guys who says or writes racism marks on your talk page, sorry.--Blaff 60 22:48, December 1, 2009 (UTC)


Consistency is one of the policies on the Wiki and it is something that people ignore, so I have been going back to renaming the character images, as I had been doing before. The other, 'more useful', things are more likely to be done by other members of staff. It is also something I have no problem in doing at the moment and is a project big enough to keep me going for quite a while, as it is something I would eventually spread to all/most images across the site. And thank you for the welcome back, just started to play GTA San Andreas again and remembered how awesome the series used to be. A-Dust 02:20, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Just to say that you might want to think about new staff members. I've updated the Staff page and moved a number of staff to the inactive list. Not sure on who would be suitable, having not been around for a while. As the contributions, over 13,500 so far. A-Dust 02:39, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad to the site doing so well after a lot of work has been put in by the community. Another quick question, is there anything we can do about the Social Profiles? They look awful and people tend to message me more than edit my talk page, which makes it difficult to easily see who has sent the message. The way they used to look was fine, so I don't know whether we can get them back that way or not. As for the edits thing, remember: quality over quantity. A-Dust 02:53, December 2, 2009 (UTC)