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This is the official Grand Theft Wiki [[GTA IV]] Gripes list.
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For now, this page is open to everybody. If there is any abuse of this page it will be locked, and all submissions will have to go through the Discussion page.
 
Please do not repeat other people's gripes. Also, no silly/stupid/idiotic/explicit/racist gripes or rebuttals.
 
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===How To Gripe===
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===How To Rebut Gripes===
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*Rebuttals should address reasons it is not a valid gripe, and should not accuse the gripe of being "silly" or "stupid."


== Gripes about GTA IV ==
== Gripes about GTA IV ==


===Gameplay===
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Gameplay|Gameplay Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with gameplay mechanics and limitations.
{{Gripe}}Minor clothing items are removed during some cut scenes and missions. (glasses, hats)
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Vehicles|Vehicles Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with vehicles and related aspects of the game.
:{{Rebut}}This can be easily explained by Niko having ''manners''... i.e. he would remove his hat or glasses before speaking with someone.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Weapons|Weapons Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with weapons.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/In-game World|In-game World Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the in-game world of Liberty City.
{{Gripe}}No store hold ups for easy cash or burglary missions.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Characters|Characters Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the characters of GTA IV and their personalities, etc.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Story|Story Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the storyline of GTA IV.
{{Gripe}}You can't buy real estate like in San Andreas and Vice City.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Combat|Combat Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with combat mechanics and limitations.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Police|Police Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the Police, crime, wanted levels, and related aspects of the game.
{{Gripe}}You can't Own Businesses.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Multiplayer|Multiplayer Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the multiplayer aspects of the game.
 
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/Cheat Codes|Cheat Codes Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with the cheat codes system in GTA IV.  
{{Gripe}}You can't do home invasion like in San Andreas.
*'''[[Community:GTA IV Gripes/GTA IV Episodes Gripes|Episodes Gripes]]''': Gripes dealing with [[The Lost and Damned]] and [[The Ballad of Gay Tony]].
 
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{{Gripe}}The Hand-to-Hand Combat is not as good as in San Andreas.
 
{{Gripe}}Stealth kills as in San Andreas are no longer possible.
 
{{Gripe}}There aren't as many different clothing styles and options as there used to be, especially in San Andreas and theres very few "silly" options like mad hats and such.
 
{{Gripe}}Friends often call to do things at inconvenient times and are often on the other side of the city.
 
{{Gripe}}Friends don't give you enough time to get to their location before they become impatient.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't evade  or outrun your wanted level in a helicopter.
 
{{Gripe}}The camera angle is too low with no way to change it, I spend all my driving time holding UP, same as San Andreas.
 
{{Gripe}}There is no riot cheat! No more chaos.
 
{{Gripe}}Some missions are somewhat difficult to pass.
 
{{Gripe}}Ordering items on TV or at Tw@ does not work. You can't even order vehicles by calling them, even though it says so at AutoErotiCar.com.
 
{{Gripe}}Destruction of buildings isn't featured.
 
{{Gripe}}No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
 
{{Gripe}}You can longer respond to random comments either positively or negatively.
 
{{Gripe}}You must keep your 'friends' happy to retain their special perks. It would have been preferable to unlock their abilities once and then be left to the player to decide whether they wish to continue the 'friendship'.
 
{{Gripe}}Street Gang-Banging and generally street gang-related missions have been dramatically reduced, means, no point in shooting other gang members.
 
{{Gripe}}Only 9 street races available and difficult to access them through the phone system.
 
{{Gripe}}No special races that unlock special cars (like Destruction Derby).
 
{{Gripe}}With so little to buy '''Money is worthless'''.
 
{{Gripe}}No parachute.
 
{{Gripe}}Cops manage to shoot your tires out, even if you're going 100mph.
 
{{Gripe}}Crashing on a motorcycle and bailing out of a car aren't fun anymore, and often result in death.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't order cars from Stevie's garage once the text message missions he gives you are completed.
 
{{Gripe}}Combat is unrealistic and hard to attack people. You'll have to use weapons to kill them instead (not meleé ones).
 
{{Gripe}}During shooting missions, you die very easily by shooters before you even run for cover. Enemies somewhat has great aiming, and [[Body Armor]] is highly recommended for hard missions.
 
{{Gripe}}Autosave may not happen all the time. Whenever you complete missions, you are forced to save the game manually instead of having the game to automatically save for you.
 
{{Gripe}}You cant fight the cops like in other GTA games.
 
{{Gripe}}The majority of the good cheats are gone (like chaos, citizens with weapons, cars fly away with hits etc etc etc).
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 2 pairs of glasses in the whole game, and both of them are ugly.
 
===Vehicles===
{{Gripe}}There is no [[Tank]] in this game, nor are there airplanes.
:{{Rebut}}Tanks would be unrealistic, as the armed forces would not send a tank into New York City after a single man.  Airplanes would also be unrealistic because air-travel around New York City is extremely restricted, plus there's really not enough area to ''need'' air-travel.
 
{{Gripe}}There are no car mods or even simply choosing your paint color.
 
{{Gripe}}The yellow boxes in front of safehouses are stupid and poorly made. Often AI traffic hits them as they're driving, causing the saved cars to disappear. Garages were much better and safer, and less chance of cars disappearing.
 
{{Gripe}}No "R3" Missions for anything other than the police cruiser.
 
{{Gripe}}There are not enough special vehicles like golf carts, lawn mowers, and bicycles.
 
{{Gripe}}There are fewer cars in the game compared to San Andreas, and no fixed-wing aircraft available to the player.
 
{{Gripe}}How the Voodoo was changed.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't operate trains like in [[GTA San Andreas]].
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Hunter]] helicopter isn't here anymore.
 
{{Gripe}}When Niko steers the car in any direction, the steering wheel doesn't move at all, which left Rockstar Games no explanation to this problem.
 
{{Gripe}}Airbags do not deploy on any vehicles when slammed head-on at high speeds.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't attach trailers in the back of your truck like in [[GTA San Andreas]].
 
{{Gripe}}Brucie's helicopter is useless.  It would have been better if you could fly his helicopter yourself.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only two unique helicopters in the game, and only 1 of them is armed.
 
{{Gripe}}Rare vehicles aren't here anymore.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't go fast when driving boats because even the smallest wave will completely slow you down.
 
{{Gripe}}No Hydraulics.
 
{{Gripe}}Some car names have been recycled for new cars and the names don't really make sense with the car they resemble anymore.
 
{{Gripe}}No remote controlled vehicles (rc-car/plane etc).
 
{{Gripe}}No gocart.
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Quad]] is absent.
 
{{Gripe}}Most vehicles are very rare like the [[Infernus]] which you get only one chance to own, and never see again.
 
{{Gripe}}Iconic sports cars like the Stinger and Cheetah are nowhere to be found.
 
{{Gripe}}Only 1 sportbike is in the game, while GTA:SA had about 6 or 7.
 
{{Gripe}}Roofs from vehicles doesn't get crushed when you roll over. There aren't any roll bars from any cars.
 
{{Gripe}}The [[Dozer]] is gone, regardless on gong into any construction sites.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 5 residential vehicle parking spaces, which means you are forced to store few of your favorite cars into the parking space, since [[Rockstar Games]] refused to explain why.
 
===Weapons===
{{Gripe}}Ammo limits are really, really annoying.
:{{Rebut}}This is personal opinion.  Ammo limits are not so low that it's difficult to complete missions.  In fact, it's more than enough.
 
{{Gripe}}There are not enough "special" weapons like the chainsaw, the golf club, the pool cue, or the fire extinguisher like there were in GTA San Andreas.
 
{{Gripe}}Weapons are now seen on top of buildings, which is harder to find.
 
{{Gripe}}[[Tear Gas]] and [[Satchel Bomb]] was removed.
 
{{Gripe}}RPG can only hold 8 rockets.
 
{{Gripe}}Weapons stores are few and far between.
 
{{Gripe}}Little Jacob doesn't sell all the weapons, so an expensive trip to the gun store is required.
 
{{Gripe}}Dual-wielding weapons is no longer possible.
 
{{Gripe}}You can't use free-aim because the targeting reticule automatically locks on to pedestrians, so you'll have to use your [[Sniper Rifle]] to shoot pigeons.
 
{{Gripe}}Where is the [[fire extinguisher]]?
 
{{Gripe}}No one handed gun use.
 
===In-game World===
{{Gripe}}No random games like the off track betting, Pogo the monkey or other arcade games save from Qub3d.
:{{Rebut}}No, but the player can play pool or darts, or go bowling.  New games for a new game.
 
{{Gripe}}There are only 3 unique [[Clothing]] stores in the game.
 
{{Gripe}}Given that a generic interior could be created, there's too few stores and the like to wander into compared to [[GTA San Andreas|San Andreas]] ([[Cluckin' Bell]] outlets as just a facade with no way in).
 
{{Gripe}}The trees are invincible.
 
{{Gripe}}[[Well Stacked Pizza]] is missing.
 
{{Gripe}}Military base is completely gone.
 
{{Gripe}}[[ProLaps]] are seen at the Starlight District, but is no longer accessible. [[Didier Sachs]] may be seen at the same location, but is also inaccessible, including [[Binco]].
 
{{Gripe}}You can't go underwater to see fishes, dolphins, turtles, even sharks.
 
{{Gripe}}The two largest straightaways in Alqonquin are both under construction, leaving no place to really go fast.
 
{{Gripe}}Alderney doesn't have any food stores and barely any places of interest, making it a useless area to visit.
 
{{Gripe}}The Bars is inaccessible because you have to be accompanied by a friend.
 
{{Gripe}}Rockstar Changed The Name Of The Islands(i.e. Staunton and portlands name are changed).
 
{{Gripe}}The Alderney safehouse is crappy and run-down, a downgrade even though the Algonquin safehouses are luxurious and much bigger.
 
{{Gripe}}Grand Central Terminal isn't accessible, despite being in the game.
 
{{Gripe}}[[ZIP]] clothing shop is gone.
 
===Characters===
{{Gripe}}Returning characters are completely absent, such as [[Claude Speed]], [[El Burro]], [[8-Ball]] or even [[Toni Cipriani]]. There is little explanation why [[Rockstar Games]] did not return older chaacters from the past GTA eras.
:{{Rebut}}There is an [[Secrets and Easter Eggs in GTA IV|Easter Egg]] that shows the previous protagonists along with "R.I.P."
 
{{Gripe}}Pedestrian conversations are repetitive and are no where near as funny as they used to be.
 
{{Gripe}}Some of the characters are downright painful and tedious. ie Brucie, Dwayne etc.
 
===Story===
{{Gripe}}The humor is weak throughout the game.
:{{Rebut}}That is a personal opinion.  I, for one, found many conversations hilarious.
 
 
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This is the official Grand Theft Wiki GTA IV Gripes list.

For now, this page is open to everybody. If there is any abuse of this page it will be locked, and all submissions will have to go through the Discussion page.

The "Gripes" on this page are intended to warn new players of things they may not like about the game.

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Please do not repeat other people's gripes. Also, no silly/stupid/idiotic/explicit/racist gripes or rebuttals.

How To Gripe

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  • Start a gripe with {{Gripe}}, then follow with your gripe.

How To Rebut Gripes

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